Texas Quarterback Position Still "Work In Progress," Competition Still Open
Those Texas fans hoping for a quarterback to create separation this spring are surely disappointed headed into the long summer before the Longhorns take the field again at DKR to battle Rice this fall, with co-offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin calling the unit a "work in progress," while head coach Mack Brown declared the job still open.
Rumors abounded throughout spring practice in the absence of open practices, putting virtually every quarterback ahead of the others at certain times, but Garrett Gilbert, Case McCoy, Connor Wood, and David Ash all did little to gain a foothold as the eventual starter after mostly uneven performances at the annual Orange-White scrimmage on Sunday.
As the incumbent, Gilbert has the best chance of eventually winning the job, though the new offense keeps him from being as far ahead of the curve as he would have been had Greg Davis retained his job. However, the 2011 version of Garrett Gilbert looked scarily similar to the 2010 version that led the Big 12 in interceptions.
Gilbert left a potential touchdown pass to Mike Davis short, allowing Quandre Diggs to make a play on the ball, then severely unthrew a tight end on a flag route that was picked off by redshirt freshman safety Bryant Jackson, staring down the receiver throughout his route, a problem that plagued Gilbert throughout his sophomore season.
It wasn't only that Gilbert stared down his target, tight end Ahmard Howard, but that Howard was well-covered in the first place, which Gilbert either didn't notice or he simply decided to embrace his inner Brett Favre and try to fit the pass into the small/non-existent window.
Another play just before the end of half was equally disappointing. Gilbert completed a pass to John Harris inside the five yardline with time ticking down and spiked the ball to stop the clock. A strong sequence.
Then, on a play-action pass, Gilbert held the ball too long and took a sack, moving the Longhorns back and effectively ending any chance for a touchdown.
The ball had to come out on time. Thrown away, at worst. Instead, Gilbert made the type of play that resulted in Texas being one of the worst red-zone teams in the country by essentially guaranteeing a field goal following the loss of yardage on the sack. Third and goal from past the ten isn't going to be a better down and distance yardage in the Harsinwhite offense than it was under Greg Davis.
Gilbert did orchestrate two touchdown drives in response to his interception, but the major concern is that Gilbert still hasn't returned to his spring practice form of last year, when he looked confident in the pocket and was able to deliver passes downfield on target, even making some seriously NFL-caliber throws at the open practice. If Greg Davis was to blame for his regression last year, the culprit for the 8-15 performance on Sunday is entirely Gilbert himself.
Case McCoy was the second quarterback to see the field for Texas and was undeniably the most effective Texas quarterback on the day, throwing for the only touchdown pass of the scrimmage on an 11-yard strike to walk-on receiver Patrick McNamara, leading two touchdown drives overall, and completing nine of 11 passes for 124 yards.
In fact, McCoy's performance was strong enough for the Associated Press to call his role in the game a starring one and opine that he shined on the day. On the surface, that might seem like the case looking at some of the pure numbers, but watching McCoy play results in a slightly different analysis.
After a year in the Texas strength program, McCoy has gained strength but is clearly the weakest of the quarterbacks, showing up in marginal, at best, arm strength. His only pass downfield got caught up in the wind, forcing Darius White to make a strong play coming back a football that only traveled about 30 yards in the air. McCoy still looks like he has trouble driving the ball downfield and also attempted several passes off his back foot, not exactly the recipe to take advantage of whatever arm strength he has.
So while McCoy may have had the most impressive stat line of the day and made an excellent throw down the seam to Mike Davis for a big game, it's clear that he's not a strong fit in a Harsinwhite offense that emphasizes throwing the ball downfield and, as a result, he has little upside unless he can miraculously develop better arm strength. Still, after the scrimmage Harsin commented that sustaining drives is the bottom line and McCoy did that, hence the relatively glowing stories about McCoy emanating from media outlets on Sunday.
Connor Wood was the third quarterback into the game and, like McCoy, his numbers don't tell the whole story about how well he played. However, if McCoy's numbers overstated how well he played, perhaps Wood's numbers understated his performance.
The redshirt freshman only completed eight of 14 passes, but he also showed off the strongest arm and some mobility, both moving outside the pocket to make throws and stepping up into the pocket to scramble for positive gains. On one play, Wood scrambled right and unleashed a 60-yard rocket downfield into the wind that Darius White could have made a play on had the sophomore receiver gone after the ball at full stride.
At other times, Wood confidently delivered the ball with accuracy and velocity on intermediate throws, though he did miss an open White down the field on a touch pass -- his accuracy on those longer throws needs some improvement.
Finally, early enrollee David Ash had little opportunity to shine, playing not only with the second-team offensive line, but with a group of receivers that included walk ons and Brock Fitzhenry, indistinguishable physically from that . It's unfortunate for Ash that he didn't get more repetitions, given that he has impressed onlookers throughout the spring with his accuracy and ability to spin the football.
The Belton product may be trailing in the quarterback competition at this point, but if the buzz around him is any indication, he has a bright future in the program.
Overall, the play on the day prompted Mack Brown to declare the job open through fall camp and note that "nobody is ready to take over at this point." Brown also thought that the difficulty of learning the offense may have been a factor on Sunday and declined to specify which quarterbacks played well, saying that he wanted to watch the film first.
Harsin echoed the Texas head coach, but did say, as Brown has throughout the spring, that the coaching staff is emphasizing eliminating turnovers, an area in which Gilbert earne the only failing grade.
The lack of a starting quarterback heading into an important summer is concerning. Organizing the summer workouts requires leadership and buy-in from the rest of the players, something that was clearly missing last summer with Garrett Gilbert. What happens this summer with the quarterbacks all jockeying with each other for position? How can a quarterback take over a legitimate leadership role without being the starter?
Work in the film room learning the offense may be a major part of the equation, as both Brown and Harsin emphasized. In fact, Brown sounded disappointed the quarterbacks as a group struggled getting the offense into the base formations used on Sunday.
In the film session discussing the game, the focus for Harsin will be in controlling down and distance -- making quick decisions, protecting the football, picking up yardage on scrambles or by extending plays/checking down, the same things offensive coordinators are pursuing this spring.
Each quarterback must not only show a mastery of the offense this summer, but must also address deficiencies.
For Gilbert, it's about returning to the confident prepster form that made him such a highly-touted recruit and protecting the football better. It's about recovering his footwork, developing his leadership, burying the unsettled 2010 version of himself that made so many bad decisions.
For McCoy, it's about consistently perfecting his footwork and increasing his strength to counter his deficiency in natural arm strength. It's about giving himself the best chance to allow that moxie, that ability to deliver throws from unorthodox angles, those intangibles that made his brother so successful at Texas.
For Wood, it's about increased accuracy, particularly on deep throws. About sustaining a consistency that matches his physical skills, a combination that could easily win the starting job. Of the three quarterbacks with experience in the program, Wood has the strongest arm and may even have the best ability to make plays with his feet.
For Ash, it's about continuing to adjust to the speed of the game and learning the offense -- all of the physical tools are there for him.
What's clear is that there are still a litany of concerns moving forward at the quarterback system and that the first year of the Harsinwhite offense will hinge primarily on whether one of the four candidates can emerge to command the offense, protect the football, and show an ability to make the type of explosive, downfield plays on which close games often hinge.
What's clear is that the litany of concerns means predicting any type of success for this football team requires a higher level of quarterback play than any of the four showed on Sunday.
And that makes for an unsettling summer.
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I'm not sure we're judging the QB's from the proper reference point...
I think we naturally wanted to see one of them piss bucketfulls of excellence while forgetting that ALL of them are learning a brand new offensive system that is famously complex. I don’t think any quarterback plays fantastically when they are thinking too much. It has to be second nature.
I’ve read/heard the wind was pretty gusty in the stadium which might excuse some of the under/overthrows.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Apr 4, 2011 7:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Unless there's some revelation between now and kick-off
I just don’t see how you have GG as a starter. His mechanics didn’t change from what I witnessed.
Dear Mack,
Trust your OC’s.
Thanks
"If you were going to give the Earth an enema, College Station is where you would connect the hose."
Same mistakes
I understand they are learning a new offense and that is difficult and will take time to execute well. However, I saw Gilbert making the same mistakes as I saw last year. Shouldn’t we expect some personal development, even in a new offense? I understand there are flaws in McCoy’s footwork / arm strength. But I’ll take a flawed footworked QB that throws more TD’s than Int’s over an interception machine any day! It is so tough to recover from interceptions!
No matter what, I bet GG gets the start come game 1 (politics!). And that is fine with me, give him another chance to prove himself! However if he cannot protect the ball, we need to play someone who can.
fuck it
I’m gonna say it right now: Gilbert will be getting Heisman buzz come October. Why such an insane prediction? No, not because I’m drinking heavily at 9 am and because I’m that big of an irrational fan of Gilbert. It’s because that’s how big my man crush on Harsin is. Look what he did with Kellen Moore’s waterboy potential.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Apr 4, 2011 9:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
oh, yeah
Also based on forgone onclusion that Gilbert will get the start because Sally Brown thinks “he’s such a nice boy. He said my chocolate chip cookies are the best he’s ever had.”
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Apr 4, 2011 9:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you interested in a wager?
Even though “Heisman buzz in October” is pretty vague, I want in on that action.
I will bet you upwards of $2. I'm THAT confident.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Deja booh
The GG/Case race feels eerily similar to the Phil Simms/M. Applewhite dynamic, whereby the guy with the better tools is battling the guy with better instincts/technique/mental toughness.
One complaint I had about GG last year is that he’s just so guileless. This has remarked on w/respect to telegraphing which receiver he’s going to hit, but you also see it on play action or when he bootlegs after handing off. Watching on teevee, I don’t think I ever lost track of the ball last year and I didn’t yesterday when GG was in, but on the few series where Case was in, I did!
Someone on another post
made this same comparison. It is just not valid. Major had proven that he was a capable quarterback in game situations. Case has not.
And Chris Simms (not Phil BTW) won a lot of games a starter and played really well in most of them. He was just prone to blowing up in really high pressure games or when the opponent was just really good at getting in the backfield. GG has shown noen of the excellence that Chris showed on occasion, except maybe in practices/camps.
Also, GG is the incumbant, and Case is the newbie. In the Major/Simms scenario, it was the other way around.
The only part of this comparison that fits is that Case is was ranked low, and GG was heralded nationwide. That and maybe the blonde hair thing.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Fair points
…(and thanks for correcting me on Chris / Phil; Phil’s the dad!). But I only argued that they analogous in the sense that one guy has better tools and one guy seems more mentally tough and a better student of the game—you don’t really address that. Obviously one could point to all sorts of ways they are all different too—Case may also prefer the Beattles to the Stones or Coke to Pepsi and Major vice versa …
by Poindexter718 on Apr 4, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Based upon what?
I have no idea how you can draw any conclusions about who/what Case is, especially in a head-to-head vs. Garrett, at this point. In fact, I don’t see validity in a Simms/Applewhite comparison in any fashion.
Yea,
It is the “seems” part of your argument that discounts it. Major PROVED that he was capable. McCoy hasn’t proven anything. He may seem more mentally tough to you, but the fact that you have to be subjective nullifies your analogy. Pretty sure I addressed that in my first sentence.
But the Beatles thing was funny. Good deflection attempt.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
So...
…by acknowledging the intrinsic subjectivity of any evaluation of “mental toughness” (whether based on an entire season or a few series last year and close observation of him in the spring game) with “seems,” I nullified my argument? Hmmm. Next time I’ll be sure and write with total certitude.
And just to be clear, I am not necessarily on the “ditch GG for Case McCoy” bandwagon. Based on limited observation, the latter does not SEEM to have the requisite physical tools. I am just lamenting a) their apparant respective shortcomings, b) the uncertainty at QB going into summer and c) a medical ethics that prevents us from attaching GG’s arm and Case’s head & heart to Wood’s freshman legs.
by Poindexter718 on Apr 4, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheesh
i have no problem with your argument. I was simply pointing out that the Simms/Applewhite analogy you were making was not a valid one for the reasons specified. Whether they are made with certitude or not.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
not going to comment on the argument itself..
but – I’d really love to have either Major OR Chris Simms going into next year…
Simms takes a lot of heat, but he was a very good college quarterback, and I’d love to see what he could do in Harsin’s offense. I’d be really, really happy if any of the youngsters we have on campus right now turn out to be as good as he was.
I did not mean to ruffle his feathers
I was just pointing out that it was a bad analogy. I was kind of hoping he’d respond again. First he tried scarcastic wit, then he got all “big words means I am smart” on me…. I am filled with anticipation at what he would do next.
Really I am just kidding Poindexter. Just that I had heard the analogy made already, and I am sure it will be a popular one given the circumstances. I just do not think it is valid.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
For what its worth
The weaknesses we saw from Connor – inconsistant accuracy, particularly on deep throws.
McCoy can’t even make those throws. And Gilbert has inconsistant accuracy on ALL throws, plus bad decision making.
Maybe I am alone here, but I think Wood comes out ahead from this game/practice. He can run the best, very athletic, roll-out potential, great arm. Wish we had a larger sample size to judge.
I do think how McCoy “looked” in a spring game matters. Throwing off your back foot is a hard habit to break and leads to bad throws. It didn’t hurt him on Sunday, but again I will throw out, give me a larger sample size. Weak arm, not very strong, not very mobile.
Ash looked the part, but I think they had set on red-shirting him and making him Battle whoever wins/doesn’t transfer from the other 3 next season.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Didn't see them run really
Not sure how well we can determine who can run the best from this game since if a defender got close enough to blow on the QB they blew the whistle. But I did see a couple times when wood made the right decision to tuck the ball, and looked as though he would of gotten several yards… but couldn’t really tell. I think gilbert’s best play actually was a scramble…. lol.
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The weaknesses we saw from Connor – inconsistant accuracy, particularly on deep throws.
McCoy can’t even make those throws.
Remove Connor, insert Snead, and this is 2006 all over again. A rocket arm is useless without the accuracy and decision making to go with it. We saw that with Gilbert last year. Like you pointed out, sample size is small, so I’d be leery of reading too much into McCoy’s arm strength based on the one fluttering pass.
Weak arm, not very strong, not very mobile.
Based on a limited Google search, these guys both have mid 4.7 40 times.
Yea,
Remove Connor, insert Snead, and this is 2006 all over again.
Are you kidding? My sarcasm meter is not very good so I cannot tell, but just in case…
every report about these kids (including GoBRs above) says McCoy’s biggest weakness is armstrength to make throws downfield. We saw enough from Wood to show that this is not arguable.
A rocket arm is useless without the accuracy and decision making to go with it. We saw that with Gilbert last year. Like you pointed out, sample size is small, so I’d be leery of reading too much into McCoy’s arm strength based on the one fluttering pass
Wood was 8 of 14. That is not terribly inaccurate. No interceptions, Did he make any bad decisions? And perhaps one of the best throws he made was the throw away GoBR referenced above… on the run. Like I said above, I wish we had gotten to see more…. but until we do…..
Based on a limited Google search, these guys both have mid 4.7 40 times.
I can’t prove it with stats, but if you watched that game and told someone sitting next to you that Gilbert/Case is just as fast and athletic as Wood…. you just weren’t watching. Maybe Case gets more athletic. But right now, I don’t even think its close with game scrambling speed or general athleticism. If you do, we will have to agree to disagree.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Re:
Are you kidding? My sarcasm meter is not very good so I cannot tell, but just in case…
every report about these kids (including GoBRs above) says McCoy’s biggest weakness is armstrength to make throws downfield. We saw enough from Wood to show that this is not arguable.
I see a similar, though not identical, comparison. McCoy=McCoy (lack of arm strength). Wood = Snead (big arm).
Wood was 8 of 14. That is not terribly inaccurate. No interceptions, Did he make any bad decisions? And perhaps one of the best throws he made was the throw away GoBR referenced above… on the run. Like I said above, I wish we had gotten to see more…. but until we do….
That was more of a general statement than anything. I think people tend to get enamored with tangibles and incorrectly translate them to success. As it relates to Wood (this is from memory…I saw it live, in person), the most “impressive” thing I saw out him was the deep incompletion. Back to the point, I’m not saying Wood looked “terribly inaccurate” or was making poor decision: I’d just caution people getting on board the Wood bandwagon solely because of arm strength.
I can’t prove it with stats, but if you watched that game and told someone sitting next to you that Gilbert/Case is just as fast and athletic as Wood…. you just weren’t watching. Maybe Case gets more athletic.I’m not calling either the next Vince Young, but I think Case is plenty capable of picking up some first downs on the ground. If Wood is better, it’s not significant enough that the defense will prepare differently for the two. Ie, it’s not the same as comparing McCoy Sr. to John Chiles. I’d also add that both had similar rushing statistics in high school.
Ok
i think we are closer to being on the same page than I thought. You are probably giving the slight edge to McCoy for game management and intangibles. I don’t know who to give the edge to b/c, while conceding your points, I think Connor has greater mobility (we can disagree here) and a better arm. So until there is enough to distinguish them, this is tough to call.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
don't understand the Case mancrush
if his last name was not McCoy, would he be getting even close to the same love?
Were you watching the same game?
1. I wouldn’t call it a man crush. I thought GoBR did a great job putting his numbers in context.
2. Still, 9/11 for 124 yards (a SOLID 11.27 YPA) and a TD is impressive. That’s also, mind you, with the second team offense against the first team defense, into the wind, and with a rushing attack that totaled negative yardage on the day. Gilbert had none of those disadvantages.
Accuracy/judgement trumps arm strength every time. Kellen Moore never wowed me with his arm, and I don’t expect that out of McCoy, either. But, even on McCoy’s fluttering deep ball, you have to respect that he at least identified the single coverage on the outside, and, despite an ugly throw, he gave his playmaker an opportunity to go after the ball…something that can be rarely said of Gilbert.
don't disagree with you
Wasn’t necessarily talking about the spring game — just more a general feeling that Case gets more love because he’s Colt’s little bro.
On a related note, I don’t think Case would ever transfer….
+1 on this reply
Case made a safe under throw to a single covered receiver with a size and leaping advantage over his defender.
With similar opportunities, both GG and CW over threw their receivers.
Pro QBs make these under throws all the time.
Case looks like the best QB right now. Period.
Some of the best all time QBs in college have crappy mechanics (VY, David Carr, Kosar, etc). I could careless if a guy throws underhand if he can move the offense and protect the football.
You might be the only one watching that game...
…who believes McCoy intentionally underthrew that pass.
and by 'only' I think you could even include the McCoy family...
the infamous pass in Lubbock a couple of years ago – that was an intentional underthrow. If you’re intentionally underthrowing, you don’t put the thing so far up in the wind that people can gather under it and faircatch… It’s actually worrisome that our DBs didn’t make a stronger play on the ball. In no way and at no time did that pass look intentional…
on the other hand… for this game only, at least McCoy kept the chains moving better than anyone else. Whoever ends up starting/playing, I sure hope they get that part of the game down a whole lot better. I’m optimistic/desperately hopeful that they get a lot more familiar and comfortable with the new offense by fall.
I think you mean you couldn't care less. (Sorry, it's a pet peeve)
To your point about mechanics, he can throw it underhanded for all I care. The end result is all that matters.
Similarly, I’m not really that fixated on arm strength, either. That’s a bigger deal in the NFL where QB’s are more often pressed to fit it in between the corner and safety against a cover 2, and/or have a big enough arm to threaten a defense over the top. I want accuracy first, big arm second in the college game. A specific example: I’d take Colt McCoy (3rd Rounder) over Matt Stafford (1st overall) in college every single time.
I have the same Pet peeve
And I think it was careless of him to say it that way. hee hee.
Case doesn’t have the arm. Bad habits. But he had great stats in a practice game. Didn’t Gilbert have 3 TDs in this game last year?
I do think Superhorn has a point about arm strength though, it doesn’t mean as much in college. More about decision making. Good point.
I liked both Case and Connor, but I am going to give the edge to Wood, because he can run. He is really athletic. I wish we had gotten to see him more, to see if Case is clearly better. I think if it is close, I give it to Connor for his legs.
But at this point, we just don’t know. Maybe Harsin knows, but I don’t.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Harsin doesn't know either. Check my post below
or go read Mack’s statements after the Spring Game (linked).
You right in noting there’s just not enough information to make the decision, not for us or Harsin.
The only thing one could note (if in person only at the game) is if one appears to be a natural for the position. And that is quite subjective.
For the historical perspective, YA Tittle was in the same recruiting class as Bobby Layne. After watching and competing with Layne a couple days in practice, Tittle transferred to LSU. Sometime you can know.
We're in trouble.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Yep
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Unknown
Relax, can't be as worse as last year
we have a better OC and I’m praying Irby comes back to give us a MUCH needed boost at TE. Our WR’s can’t possibly be worse, and it’s nice to have a healthy Mike Davis back. Could our OL be as bad as last year?
by goingforthecorner on Apr 4, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
You just jinxed us.
5-7 can definitely be made worse. Just ask a&m.
Better OC? is only as good as players’ performances. GD had talent for years and produced with a system in place. Harsin is climbing uphill with unproven talent and a new system. It will be a rough start, to say the least.
Irby will NOT produce this year. He will play … at which we’ll all be thrilled. Don’t expect him to be a boost at all.
If the WRs continue to drop the ball, they will be worse, simply because we’ve lost tons of talent for several years now. These guys are so raw and unproven.
OL? It’d be pretty hard to be as bad as last year but nothing tells me that they will be any better at all.
It is SO bitter to admit that a winning season would please my soul. It’s going to be rough in 2011.
Difficult to assess without looking at the practice/workouts in conjunction with this scrimmage!
Anyway, here is what I think… GG is already a junior and he is now engulfed with learning a new offense, so it is no surprise to me that his decision making hasn’t evolved where he should be. (not his fault). The others are redshirt freshman/ true freshman. Let’s say we go 7/5 or 8/4 or 9/3 this year. That would leave Gilbert with just one more year and then we would start all over again with coaches waiting all summer to announce a new starter. McCoy needs some mechanics, Wood needs more reps. to learn his touch… Ash looks hungry to learn and at least looked the part in the huddle and on the line of scrimmage, but this pecking order leaves you with more questions than answers. I would have liked a quarterback to be announced this week at least within the squad, for practice workouts like VY and Colt did. USC had a freshman qb last year or the year before and he did well. But, whoever it is needs the reps. early like NOW to be in a position to lead by this fall. By dragging out the inevitable, the team might suffer. The staff should pick a guy (they have all the practice tape) let him get experience early!
I’m from Alice, TX and we got beat by Austin Lake Travis when Gilbert was a senior. He had already commited to Texas. I don’t think he ever threw a TD pass in that game at the Alamo dome. He ran all over us though along with his FB.
They were never going to announce a starting QB after this game.
See Mack’s post game press conference (Spring Game). None of the QBs have internalized the new system period. In Mack’s eyes, there is no way to pick one out of the bunch. And, according to Mack, Harsin will do the picking.
So he’s [Harsin] got some ways that he separated quarterbacks before, and that’s a tough decision for him to make and I think he’s very capable of doing it. He’ll do it in the fall.
So, the summer is about internalizing the system and each getting better in their mechanics and demonstrating leadership.
For everyone here, this situation with the QBs was intended to be this way.
Let them learn the offense, see who came out of summer with better leadership skills, and then let them start over and fight for the job. I’d say by the first game, obviously, by that week we’re going to have to have two quarterbacks that separate from the others. I don’t know if that will be until after [fall] camp.
The QB should be..
If all three QB’s are equal then the coaches should pick the one that is the most athletic and that is Wood. I think he looked comfortable out there too. Whoever wins the job should have a short leash and if they start screwing up (2+ INT early in the year) then pull him.
Gilbert is done, IMO
I’m 99.9% GG will be the starter on Day 1, he will be given every opportunity, but he will not last. This isn’t to say Case, Connor, or Ash are ready to assume the starting role because they all have flaws. My point is simply that Gilbert does not have the mental make-up or the maturity to excel as a college QB.
GG was a world-beater in HS and his numbers were eye-popping. He came to Texas with all the promise in the world. But we are now entering year 3 of GG’s career, and he has yet to realize any of that promise. His best performance continues to be the first 25 minutes of the 2nd half of the 2010 National Championship game. Many like to point to this game as proof that when GG is surrounded by talent, he can deliver. My response: So What? Which of the other three QBs at camp cannot deliver when surrounded by similar talent like what we fielded in 2008 and 2009?
The fact of the matter is that Texas is young, inexperienced, and far from solid footing. We don’t need a perfect QB, we don’t need ideal physical skills. We do need someone who is a leader, who can handle adversity, and who is ever optimistic. We need a QB who can marshall the troops. I do not believe that guy is Gilbert. I hope one of the other three QBs in camp can be.
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His best performance continues to be the first 25 minutes of the 2nd half of the 2010 National Championship game. Many like to point to this game as proof that when GG is surrounded by talent, he can deliver. My response: So What? Which of the other three QBs at camp cannot deliver when surrounded by similar talent like what we fielded in 2008 and 2009?
1. While in the context of the situation, I was impressed with the way Gilbert handled things, 15/40 for 2 TDs and 4 INTs and 4.7 YPA isn’t exactly a stat line you’d like hang your hat on as your “best game”.
2. The largest issue, IMO, is that last season broke him. We had zero identity on offense, and had to revert to an offensive system that had gotten zero reps in pre-season. As a result (there’s obviously a lot more to it), the wheels fell off, as did his production. I think once a QB is broken like that, they rarely bounce back. The immediate examples that come to mind are David Carr and Alex Smith.
Semi-related…I think if we had stuck with the “Colt McCoy Offense” from the Spring on, things might have turned out very differently, and Greg Davis would still be our OC.
Agree completely
1. I point to that national championship game only because as his best effort he was still riddled with inconsistency throughout the entire game. However, to be fair, the stat line you provided is for the entire game, and not just the 25 minutes after halftime and before the last INT and fumble.
2. I agree that his pysche was ruined last year, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the results would have been different if he had adversity under the “Colt McCoy offense”. Personally, I think that Gilbert probably grew up expecting to be a college QB bc of his pedigree & his physical tools. He played on a very talented HS team that rarely encountered adversity, reinforcing the idea that success comes naturally. Now he is having adversity, but you don’t see his behavior adjusting in order to handle it. We see the same attitude — sulking after a bad play, little interaction with his teammates etc. I just don’t see the leadership qualities there that would give me confidence in him the same way I had confidence in Colt, Vince, & Major.
I’m sure he’s a nice kid and I really wish the kid would turn it around. I could be totally wrong but I just don’t see it.
by BMG on Apr 4, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The worst of Gilbert's pick
was not simply that he wildly under-threw the ball into double coverage, but that he had a wide open underneath route that was good for at least 10 yards that he never even looked at. He isn’t checking down at all, and he therefore can’t take advantage of what the defense is giving him, which is disconcerting.
the temptation of potential
This precise QB controversy, the debate between the physical specimen and the gutsy leader, is an ongoing phenomenon at schools across the country and at every level of football, and several have already framed this situation in these terms.
But I’d prefer to frame the issue this way: we’ve also seen, historically, a lot of immensely talented, but complete headcase, QB’s struggle to spin their natural gifts into productivity, guys like Chris Simms (and his brother at Tennessee), Ryan Leaf as he entered the NFL, hell I even remember some guy named Todd Marinovich playing for USC when I was a kid. These QB’s all had undeniable, grossly inhibiting mental problems that their coaches (and roughly half their teams’ fanbases) overlooked because they had so much physical potential.
My historic question is this: can anyone remember a QB that fits this description, an ungodly manchild of athletic ability but who can’t use any of it because of his mental weaknesses, that actually overcame his poor decision-making to have a successful career? At the moment, I can’t think of one. These guys always seem to crash and then slip into historic irrelevance. Its as if this pattern of near-certainty is lost on coaches because they can’t help but be blinded by the irresistible siren song of natural, mechanical ability, and thus history repeats itself endlessly because coaches simply cannot lay off the temptation of potential.
Re:
can anyone remember a QB that fits this description, an ungodly manchild of athletic ability but who can’t use any of it because of his mental weaknesses, that actually overcame his poor decision-making to have a successful career?
Terry Bradshaw?
Did he?
I don’t know enough about his early career, as my first-person memories of football go back only to the late 80’s.
Also, I’m more concerned with the modern convention of the “prototypical QB” that we tend to classify and describe as such these days, and on whom we tend to place premium value. You know, guys who are 6"5 statues with rocket arms and perfect mechanics, guys who have been groomed since grade school to be the perfect QB. I’m not sure Bradshaw was that exactly.
Not that it really matters, because the exception generally proves the rule.
Bradshaw was 6’3" and 220 lbs. It would seem that he had the prototypical tools, at least for the times, as he was the #1 overall pick, and was known for his big arm. Early in his career he was often viewed as dumb, and unable to command an NFL offense. It basically took him 5+ years to “get it”.
I think that anybody ready to draw a concrete conclusion based on this sample is reaching.
For a variety of reasons. I am all for making some real evaluations after a few practices in the fall, but if you saw something that told you that “Certainly __________ should be our starter” you saw something I didn’t see or you’re overlooking a lot of other factors.
I wish I could play little league now... I'd kick some fuckin' ass.
Wood, to me, looked the best in the spring game
But the problem with us just seeing the spring game and even a handful of open practices is that it’s hard to tell what’s an anomaly and what’s at trend. The spring game is helpful to coaches who can see that; I’m not sure it’s that helpful to us and is more a way to please fans.
That said, all the concerns that GoBR has seem to be valid. I’m not willing to give up on GG yet and if I had to choose today I’d make him the starter, but I just want the best guy to have the job. Hopefully the coaches are as open about the process as they’re letting on.
by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 4, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Proud Bandwagoner of the Binghamton Bearcats!
Tentative First Member of the Disciples of Terry - We're Gonna Terryfy you
Also we're forgetting another option here folks.
Fozzy Whittaker, 100% completion rate.
I wish I could play little league now... I'd kick some fuckin' ass.
We have four games at
the beginning of the season that should, in any normal year, have 4 gimme games. I’m thinking that the running game should be solidified, along side a low-risk, short, passing game, and that we should test the QB’s out in the first two-three games.
At this point I’m for letting one of the young guys grow into it… No way we are competing for a nat’l championship with GG. So lets position ourselves for another run in the short term.
And then set a clear starter by ISU.
Awesome take on this debate
over at BC
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Please tell me
They are recruiting a badass for 2012. At this point McCoy is the only option, he plays ugly as hell but is a gamer. I will take bad mechanics and heart over perfect mechanics and no heart any day of the week
The owners remind me of the fat nerdy kid on the block with all of the cool toys. And if you dont let him win he takes his toys and goes home.
Connor Brewer?
..and David Ash should be pretty good, too.
by vy til i die on Apr 4, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Nowhere BC of QB's
I had high hopes GG last year, and I always said to just give him some time. However, he does not look like the real deal. I think there are many reasons for his bad QB play last year, like bad line play, receivers tipping balls, and banking everything on recruiting one running back a year and being unsuccessful for the last number of years.
They threw GG into the fire with not much help from anything else, and I think he may be permanently shell shocked.
They hired new coaches for almost every aspect of the team….did they hire a new QB coach? They are in dire need of a specialist.
I think Malcom Brown will help the team next year, but the team will be going nowhere with continued bad QB play. At this point, none of these QB’s look legit, and they need serious help.




































