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Further Analyzing CFB and the Narrative Problem

In learning about leadership, there's a certain theory that has stuck with me.  This theory remains rooted in the concept that leaders must fully understand themselves, their character, and their ethical values.  To that extent, leaders should be able to avoid hearing about a scenario and saying "Wow, I dont know what I would have done in that situation."  Even though that seems like an innocuous statement, it has some powerful undertones.  Because, when you give that response to a scenario, it can be argued that you dont really know--or even understand--yourself as a person.  It can be argued that you don't know your personal character.  That you don't know your ethical values.  And that you certainly don't know yourself as a leader.  Because, if you did, you know *exactly* what you would have done in that situation. 
 
Whether or not you actually agree with that position (and many dont), I think it's a pretty powerful concept.  And it's a concept that I thought about during the recent actions of Jim Tressel, Gene Smith, and Gordon Gee.  While I'm not in their shoes, I feel very strongly about the fact that I wouldnt have done what they did.  To this day, I'm still galled by the initial a circus of a press conference.  If I was an Ohio State fan, this whole episode would cause me to feel sick to my stomach during the entire season.  I dont know if I could even watch.  In fleshing this out, this leadership concept also makes me think about Notre Dame, Oregon, Auburn, Iowa, John Junker, and the entire cast of characters involved in the negative stories from the past year.  
 
Now, the point of this post isn't  to take a moral highground.  It isn't even to analyze these individual stories.  Instead, my goal is to re-examine the narrative for CFB over the last year and how it has affected my feelings for the sport.  This discussion started with a post in January and has further evolved over the last few months as new stories have emerged.

Star-divide

As explained in the previous post, it's pretty staggering how many "negative" stories for CFB have emerged over the past year.  It's even more staggering how many of these "negative" stories have undercut the main selling point of college football, which is having amateur student-athletes playing football in exchange for a college scholarship.  That's a powerful narrative, yet one that is constantly being undercut by current realities.  It's also a narrative that doesn't leave itself open to much wiggle room.  Hence, if a player is caught receiving improper benefits, then they--and potentially their school--are supposed to be punished. 

For the purposes of this post, I think it is instructive to walk through the chain of events from the past year.  In order to curtail the length of this post, I trimmed the summaries of the events covered in the previous post, and then added all the stories from the current off-season.

1) Conference Realignment (Summer 2010)

For the most part, the realignment saga was all about money.  Which is fine.  Money makes the world go round.  However, the realignment saga arguably damaged the overall NCAA narrative, as it’s hard to sell "rivalry, history, and tradition" when it’s clear that schools will abandon their existing relationships for a certain price.  I dont want to belabor this point, but, if you still dont understand why realignment wasnt necessarily helpful for college football, then please read Scipio Tex's epic realignment piece.  In fact, just try to wrap your head around this one question from that article, which I still find to be largely unanswerable:

Explain to me exactly what this current move did for Longhorn fans? Fans. Me? You? Us? Not Longhorns, Inc.

2) USC Hammered by NCAA Sanctions (June 2010)

After a four-year investigation, the NCAA slapped the "lack of institutional control" label on USC and bombarded them with sanctions.  This actually got the NCAA some good press, but it also caused the media to question the legitimacy of USC's 2004 National Title.  About a month later, USC decided to send back their copy of Reggie Bush's Heisman trophy.

3) UNC Suspensions and Dismissals (July-September 2010)

On the verge of their marquee matchup with LSU, UNC suspended 13 players (and 6 starters) because of various allegations and infractions.  Most notably, star player Marvin Austin was suspended and then later kicked off the team for accepting improper benefits.  The story eventually led to John Blake resigning on September 6th. 

4) Various NCAA Coaches With "Conference Call" Over Problems with Agents (August 2010)

After a series of off-season rumors and scandals, Nick Saban spearheaded a conference call over how to "protect" players from unscrupulous sports agents.  The article explains how investigations over agents had recently been conducted at four different SEC schools.  Out of twelve.   

5) Alabama Player Marcel Dareus Suspended (September 2010)

One of the heroes from the National Championship game, Dareus' suspension was related to accepting improper benefits during two off-season trips to Miami. 

6) AJ Green Jersey Suspension and Controversy (September 2010)

Interestingly, the AJ Green suspension dovetailed into a much larger discussion.  After he was suspended for four games for selling a game jersey, several pundits declared the NCAA to be hypocritical.  As Michael Wilbon noted, Georgia sold 17 different versions of Green's jersey to the general public. 

7) Reggie Bush Returns the Heisman Trophy (September 2010)

Following the lead of USC, Reggie Bush also returned his Heisman trophy.  Not exactly a shining moment for the NCAA.  Please note that we're still in the month of September.

8) "Death to the BCS" Eviscerates the Current BCS System (October 2010)

The work of several Yahoo Sports authors, "Death to the BCS" declared  itself to be "the definitive case against the Bowl Championship Series."  This book produced some strong indictments against the already unpopular BCS system, and it was widely discussed all over the internet. 

9) "30 for 30" Specials Highlighting Negative Aspects of NCAA/Recruiting (November/December 2010)

This fall, ESPN's "30 for 30" series included the stories of Marcus Dupree and the SMU Program receiving the "Death Penalty."  If you are unfamiliar with either of these stories, here are Barking Carnival's excellent recaps of  "The Best That Never Was" and "The Pony Excess".

10) Gordon Gee and "Little Sisters of the Poor" Comment (November 2010)

While his sentiments weren't entirely misguided, Gordon Gee's comment that the non-BCS schools played "The Little Sisters of the Poor" was heavily criticized.  Additionally, as pointed out by Dan Wetzel, his comments actually served to spotlight some of the key problems with the BCS. 

11) Cam Newton Story With Bombshell after Bombshell (November/December 2010)

Plain and simple, the Cam Newton story was *the* story of last season.  But, as I pointed out in a Pundit Roundup column entirely dedicated to the Cam Newton coverage, the story was discussed in a variety of platforms.  These ranged from whether he should win the Heisman to whether athletes should be paid in college.  Regardless of how you felt about the case, it 's hard to argue that it projected a positive image of the NCAA system.

12) Lackluster BCS Matchups (December 2010)

With the exception of the Rose Bowl and National Championship Game,  fans were lukewarm over the other BCS games.  This lack of excitement is further demonstrated by the next item on this list.

13) Unranked UConn Cant Sell Fiesta Bowl tickets (December 2010)

In a further indictment of the current system, there were a flood of stories related to schools being unable to sell their allotment of tickets for bowl games.  Most notably, UConn resorted to begging fans to buy Fiesta Bowl tickets.  Not surprisingly, it didnt work.  Later calculations placed their financial losses for the game at $1.66 million.  Their actual losses were much higher, as OU kicked their ass and then their coach fled for Maryland.  Good times. 

14) Ohio State Players *Not* Suspended for Sugar Bowl (December 2010)

A few weeks before the Sugar Bowl, several Ohio State players were found to have violated NCAA rules by selling various items.  After the news broke, various parties succesfully lobbied for a postponed punishment.  In discussing the issue, Dan Wetzel said Terrelle Pryor's acts "exposed the charade of college athletics."  After reading his article, it's easy to understand why someone would have simply skipped the game.  This is especially true if they didnt have cable, since the game--like all the other BCS games--was solely televised on ESPN.

But, as you know, that wasnt the end of Ohio State's issues from Tatgate.  Stay tuned.

15) UT TV Deal and the ongoing hyper-monetization of college sports (January 2011)

BON analyzed the deal here.  To me, the most interesting part of the coverage over the deal was the constant regurgitation of the $300 million figure.  In talking about the network with fans of other schools, they dont really know exactly what the network will show.  They dont really know what cable packages will offer the channel.  But they damn sure know how much ESPN paid for it.  And, for the NCAA, I'm still not sure that's a good thing. 

16) Iowa workouts, rhabdomyolysis, and the school's response (January 2011)

Even though it comes under unfortunate circumstances, I want to give a shout-out to SBN Blog "Black Heart Gold Pants."  They absolutely crushed the coverage of Rhabdogate.  A few weeks ago, I actually read through most of the FOIA-acquired e-mails over how Iowa planned to deal with the situation.  Some of them were truly mind-boggling over their "plan" for the press releases and press conferences.  Honestly, who could have possibly thought that saying "we expect no further comment at this time" was a good idea? 

In looking to see the response from BHGP, I found a series of well-written articles over the entire situation.  See here, here, here, and here for their coverage.  In particular, I thought this post's discussion of the changing world for SIDs due to social media was especially insightful. 

17) SI/CBS News Investigation over "Crime Rates in College Football" (March 2011)

This extensively researched report provided several statistics over the criminal records of players in Top-25 programs.  It also pointed out that only two of these programs conducted background checks on recruits.  This article drew a lot of bad press, but, as Dr. Saturday pointed out, its results were largely skewed.  In any case, this was another black eye for college football.

18) Larger coverage of "Oversigning" Problem (January - March 2011)

Oversigning is nothing new.  It happens every year, especially in the SEC.  But, for the first time that I can remember, the prospect of curbing these abuses finally made some traction.   Supplementing the series of articles explaining the problem, the University of Florida President wrote his own SI editorial that called the practice morally reprehensible.  And it is.  I dont see how anyone could read this article and feel good about the process.

19)  Suspicious Oregon payments to Lyles and Flenory (March 2011)

Recruitocosm was all over the problem of Street Agents in Texas.  Their position was potentially vindicated by the recent Yahoo Sports report over the suspicious payments by Oregon to Will Lyles and Baron Flenory.  After the news broke, Oregon announced that it opened its book and released the invoices from the transactions.  You can read the articles and make up your own mind, but please wait to reach any conclusions until you read about Lyles and Patrick Peterson further below.

20) Jim Tressel e-mail cover-up and pitiful "self-sanctions" from Ohio State (March 2011)

With this one, I dont even really know where to begin.  After the player suspensions associated with Tatgate, I think everyone--and especially Jim Tressel--assumed the issue was put to rest.  Then, seemingly out of nowhere, the news broke that Tressel knew about the memorabilia sales before the season started.  Incredibly, he knew about the sales well before the initial Tatgate, in which he forced all the players to promise to return next season before being allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl. 

After the news broke, Tressel was quickly given a two-game suspension and $250,000 fine.  This initial announcement led to one of the most bizarre press conferences I've ever seen.  During the press conference, OSU President Gordon Gee brushed off the idea of Tressel being fired and actually said "I hope he doesnt fire me."  At several points, AD Gene Smith jumped in to prevent Tressel from answering questions.  It was later reported that OSU had considered stronger penalties, including forcing Tressel to miss Spring Practices, but chose to allow him to participate in off-season activities.  Later, after the players' appeal to reduce their own suspensions was denied, Tressel decided to request that his own suspension be increased to 5 games. 

To be honest, everything about this story upsets me.  I'm just going to move on and continue hoping that the NCAA eventually increases Tressel's punishment. 

21) HBO "Real Sports" special alleges "Pay for Play" scheme at Auburn (March 2011)

I havent seen the show, but here's a transcript over the relevant portions of the interviews.  There's always the possibility of the "Haters" defense or the "Thayer Evans/Jamarkus McFarland" defense, but, on its own, this allegation is pretty huge.  Auburn just won the National Title, and this report comes on the heels of the Cam Newton situation. 

22) John Junker fired as CEO of the Fiesta Bowl for being a corrupt idiot (March 2011)

Even though I think the title here says it all, here's an extensive analysis of his trangressions.  Please raise your hand if you think John Junker and the Fiesta Bown are the only parties in the bowl system who have committed such abuses.  I'll wait.

23) Patrick Peterson, Will Lyles, and potential "Pay for Play" scheme (March 2011)

According to the former CB coach at Texas A&M, Will Lyles asked for $80,000 for Texas A&M to sign Patrick Peterson.  More specifically, he said they had to "beat" $80,000.  Peterson eventually signed with LSU,  Please raise your hand if you think that was a coincidence.  Once again, I'll wait.

Conclusion (For Now)

This post is already longer than I expected.  The noteworthy thing is that it could have easily been longer.  My initial list had several additional topics, which ranged from the tragic death of Declan Sullivan to the widespread tactic of coaches deciding to close practices to the general public. 

Rather than writing another 1000 words about my own personal feelings, I want to try to set the table for an extended discussion in the comments.  Depending on how things go, I'd like to potentially revisit these issues in a later post.  In the comments, please feel free to address these two key questions.   

1) Have your feelings about college football changed over the past year?  If so, why?   

2) If Mack Brown, Deloss Dodds, and Bill Powers acted similarly to their Ohio State counterparts during a scandal, how would that have affected your feelings over this season?

For my part, I'm conflicted.  I certainly didnt enjoy watching Auburn's farcical "All In" routine last year during the Cam Newton controversy.  I especially didnt enjoy hearing fans cheer wildly when Gene Chizik announced "I'll say this very loud and very clear. Cam Newton is eligible at Auburn University.  Period.  End of Story."  Furthermore, I have significant issues with how schools have handled recent controversies such as Tatgate, Rhabdogate, and Declan Sullivan's death.  And that doesnt even begin to address the BCS system, NCAA investigations process, or the overinflated importance of preseason polls. 

Ultimately, I think the negative stories from this season showed me that I might have a breaking point for being a fan of college football.  And that breaking point has absolutely nothing to do with how a team performs on the field. 

Hook 'em.

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Sick writeup.

Honestly my opinion of college football is that its just college football.
Larger changes may be looming in the future( Playoffs, Realignment, Pay for play), but these changes on a large scale are years away.

For now im just going to enjoy the football.

by AlDe2356 on Apr 7, 2011 2:19 AM CDT reply actions  

The NCAA is similar to the U.N.

an organization with completely fluid rules, funded by the wealthy, attempting to govern entities with disparite values & desires, administered by academis with little real world experience, poluted by vast quantities of money.

Response to questions:
1) Yes, primarily due to the Cam Newton / NCAA response & tOSU action. In my mind Auburns NT will always be tainted.
2)Yes. If Mack had done what Tressel did it would completely changed my support of the program. I’ve always believed we ran ethical program (perhaps silly me!)

by ole tnhorn on Apr 7, 2011 7:39 AM CDT reply actions  

If Mack Brown had done what Tressel did

The only way I could remain in the Longhorn fold would be if Mack were given his walking papers.

I live in Columbus, Ohio, and you wouldn’t believe the delusional justifications that the Buckeye faithful are making to defend Tressel’s conduct. I’ll be the first to admit that, although Buckeye fans are the worst, I always thought Tressel was a good actor. Most of the time he probably is. But this situation is awful, and the only way for tOSU to redeem itself is to let Tressel go. If this had happened at Texas, Brown would have to go, too.

by horneye on Apr 7, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I would like to think

That if Brown did this at Texas, the fans would demand that he go.

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by NYHorn on Apr 7, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. And everyone up the line involved...Dodds, Powers.

Loss of fan confidence – particularly when you think you’re ‘relatively’ clean – would cost millions over time.

OSU is seriously wounded. Iowa is wounded. Auburn is poisoned. BCS and its bowls are going to take more hits, with more corruption.

One question I can ask is wrt Gee’s comments and the BCS – what really feeds that system. If it is dollars – and dollars only – is the promotion of the private interests that Gee denotes worth the back hand to the public interest, especially us, the fans?

by whills on Apr 7, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree

but not for the reasons y’all have stated. If Mack was caught in as big a lie — series of lies, actually — as Jim Tressel, I think the administration would ask him to retire. I doubt he’d be fired, not with the Heisman and crystal football he’s added to the Texas trophy room. But if such a scandal had hit the Texas program in 2006? No way, no how, would Mack Brown go. He’d ride it out.

Because in the end the only thing that matters in college football is winning. I’ve said it before, elsewhere on BON: Jim Tressel could be caught on tape raping puppies and he would not get fired. It’s not going to happen. If he ran for governor of Ohio on a puppy-raping platform, he would win election.

As one of your resident Midwesterners, I can tell you that every Buckeye fan — and they are legion around here — will, to a man, defend Jim Tressel. Because he wins Big 10 titles and bowl games. And, especially, he beats Michigan. There is only one number that matter in the state of Ohio: 2693. That’s how many days since the Wolverines last beat the Buckeyes on the football field. Until that number is zero, Tressel isn’t going anywhere.

Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski

by windycityhorn on Apr 7, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Tressel could be caught on tape raping puppies

If that video ever went viral, I’d definitely consider watching.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting to read the replies here...

I cant say with any certainty what would happen if Mack pulled a Tressel. But, like most of you, I fully believe that most Texas fans would push for him to be fired. Whether or not that would happen is a different matter.

My only certainty in such a situation is that I would react similarly to horneye. If Mack wasnt let go, then I would have to take an extended break from supporting UT football.

by txtwstr7 on Apr 7, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tressel should be fired. A smaller, less influential school than OH St would be forced by the NCAA to dump the coach.

OH St should be subject to penalties for failure to maintain institutional control. A smaller, less influential program would be penalized by the NCAA.

The NCAA’s handling of Lane Kiffin and the penalties against USC further illustrate their toothless position toward prominent institutions.

In conclusion, the NCAA’s failure to act against Ohio State will result in a more prevalent culture of cheating in the future. Schools are going to continue to infringe upon grey areas of the rules to compete for players. Some schools will completely circumvent the rules to land top talent. This will continue until the NCAA grows a spine and hits a big program with significant penalties (up to and including the Death Penalty). Until then, athletic departments and coaching staffs will go for broke.

by ambivalent on Apr 7, 2011 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

What? USC was hammered.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Apr 7, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

While little brother was scurrying around like a rat to find the $80K,

maybe from skimming off of that useless women’s basketball travel fund, Street Agent didn’t want to wait and decided to push Recruit toward LSU. Just a theory.

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by spinmonkey on Apr 7, 2011 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey come on, lets give A&M the benefit of the doubt...(even though they probably wouldn't if it was us)

they haven’t been pulling in that many five stars so I want to beleive (for all my friends and family) that their program is on the level, the only fact that was presented was that someone solicited money from them and they did not pay…however if this was OU (who has had some violations in the past coughcardealership cough cough) I bet I’d feel a bit differently.

by TowerPower on Apr 7, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

I’ll laugh at the aggies and crack sheep jokes all day, but I wouldn’t insinuate they are running a corrupt program.

by divinebovine on Apr 7, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look of the schools considered the best in CFB...

Lets just say the SEC that sums up a lot of them…
Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Nebraska, Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan, USC, Oregon, Florida St and Virginia Tech.

Just in this last year Ohio St, USC, Oregon, and half of the freaking SEC were on this list whether is be pay-for-play, agentgate, or oversigning…

Its funny how half of the programs on this list are both considered the best and now most corrupt, but is that how ESPN talks about the SEC which is clearly the best college football conference" but is also "generally beleived to be the corrupt, whether we are talking about pay for play, agents, or oversigning, that depressing…

by TowerPower on Apr 7, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

The worst part to me,

is that the media and the fans make excuses for these schools. Regardless of whether you feel student athletes should be payed or not, paying them off the level is wrong, and no amount of “the system is wrong” is going to make what these schools are doing right.

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by NYHorn on Apr 7, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

interesting point,

and I had a similar idea the other day. Looks at the top at CFB. I mean the elite schools. I consider those to be tOSU, USC, Texas, Bama, Florida. Those are IMO the top 5. 3 of them have had rather serious issues with the NCAA recently. As a Florida fan, that terrifies me, and I don’t see how it couldn’t terrify ya’ll. Florida has managed to stay out of trouble with the NCAA for years, and so has Texas, but how can you look at the current state of CFB, and think that these programs are clean. I hope and pray that Florida is, and I assume you do the same for Texas, but I definitely feel differently about CFB now, than I did.

It’s corrupt, and it’s corrupt everywhere. I’m sure that players in Austin get “treated” very well, just as I’m sure it happens in Gainesville, or Norman, or Auburn, or Lincoln etc etc. All it takes is something stupid like the Tennessee bar fight (which was really disturbing), and now your program is in the cross hairs, and the investigators are snooping around. I feel like all of us are just waiting to get the rug pulled out from underneath us, and for our program to be the nest one to go down. As much as we can point to a recent track record, and claim a moral high ground, I’m pretty sure most of us know, that it’s not really there.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 7, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm excited about it as well

I just wish it didn’t require we play the most uninteresting conference schedule in the history of Texas’ many conference affiliations.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh - the conference holds about the same interest as it did before to me.

I’ve never gotten up to play the Big XII north schools as much anyway. We’re just adding one conference game to the schedule.

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 7, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It will probably be the non-BCS OOC games like...

Rice, BYU, Wyoming, New Mexico, NM St, UNT, UTEP, and UCF…Iowa St will probably end up on Fox Sports…

by TowerPower on Apr 7, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I was just bitter over what we gave up in order to have the network. So that we could have this mammoth cash cow and a unique recruiting advantage, we gave up a much more compelling annual schedule. Don’t get me wrong, I can’t wait to see the new Network and all of the benefits it will bring, but I’m still not sure it was worth the trade.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get . . .

. . . the emphasis in “much” in that sentence. We lose half a Nebraska game a year and make up for it with scheduling the likes of USC and Notre Dame in future years and play a true round-robin in conference each season? Seems like an upgrade to me. (This is disregarding all the other reasons moving would have made sense, of course.)

by Hopkins Horn on Apr 7, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find only a few teams compelling in the new Big XII

I would have found all but a few teams compelling in the Pac-16. Compound that by considering that Pac-16 schedule would have applied to all major sports. Ergo much more compelling annual schedule.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 9, 2011 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great point

I should have re-examined Scipio’s question in light of the new information…

It’s an interesting question, and it probably deserves a full post of its own. Based on how things shook out, would you rather have a UT Network connected with a lesser (and less stable) conference, or have Texas as part of a PAC-16 Network in a better (and permanently stable) conference? There are strong arguments to be made on both sides.

I might try to cajole Hopkins Horn into taking a swing at it…

by txtwstr7 on Apr 7, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously...

…that question is a gross oversimplification of the full discussion.

Which is exactly why Hopkins Horn really needs to flesh it out…

by txtwstr7 on Apr 7, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Super rec

Fantastic post, sir.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Apr 7, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Muschamp vs Chizik

First, from a systemic point of view, all of these -gates/scandals are utterly disappointing as a college football that is frequently critical of the NFL.

On a more personal level, I would have loved to have been able to be proud of Chizik’s success at Auburn since part of who he is as a coach was shaped by his time at my alma mater. That was sullied. With that in mind, I look forward to seeing Muschamp run a successful and CLEAN program at Florida. (Fingers crossed)

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

* fan of College Football who

Gotta stop commenting while driving

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is that you, Sergio Kindle?

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

I didn’t say “gotta stop commenting while driving drunk.”

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well yeah that would be a good idea too.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I do find myself needing an "eye opener," it's always of the coffee variety.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man, so do I. (fingers still crossed)

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

Plus, the problems at Auburn are chained to Chizik, and Chizik’s resume has UT on it. I wouldn’t be surprised if this relationship gets some suspicions put towards the Texas program.

Even as an ardent UT fan/alum, it makes me a little leery of the situation.

by divinebovine on Apr 7, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct or not,

I find myself wanting to explain my fears away by thinking that Chizik must have developed thse “bad habits” after he left Texas as a result of the fierce competition in the SEC which is known for such shady practices. Perhaps he felt to be competitive he’d have to resort to the same tactics. This sort of parlays into my overall philosophy on the seeding problem in the NCAA or any field in which significant competitive advantages are gained by foul play. Seems to be that a lot of people get frustrated trying to compete against “the dirty guys” and get so frustrated that they start to take the “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” approach. As more and more entities are seeded into this process, then it becomes a strength in numbers sort of mentality, as well.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Husker fan here - giving a rec for a great post.

I’ve been doing my best to keep my head down and focus on two things: 1) Husker news (since Nebraska generally runs a clean program and seems to be handling problems well under Osborne & Pelini [/knocks furiously on every wooden surface in arm’s reach]) and 2) actual football. Unfortunately, this is getting harder and harder to pull off.

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by Go Big Rev on Apr 7, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Excellent recap, sir

And unsettling, to say the least.

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by jc25 on Apr 7, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post

I’ve tried my best to not let this crap sully my love for the game on the field, but it’s getting harder and harder. The sport is getting more corrupt by the day, it seems, and the coaches who I believe try to be clean can’t control a lot of it. That’s what really disappoints me about the Ohio State situation. It’s one thing when the student athletes do stupid stuff like that (whether or not you think it’s a good rule, it was a rule they undoubtedly knew or should have known). It’s quite another when the coach is informed of it and does nothing and tries to cover it up. It’s hard enough to combat this; it makes it near impossible to fight if the guys in charge are complicit. I actually think Tressell is a nice guy, but he made a big goof and he needs to be punished severely by the NCAA.

by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 7, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Time to put the student back in student-athlete

First off, great post, Twister…lot of us have had similar thoughts about CFB and I think it’s healthy for someone with your skills as a writer to point out to the Emperor that while he may not be naked yet, if he keeps this shit up, he’ll be freezing his ass off soon.

To that end, I think the elephant in the room is the fact that there are many college football players that probably would not have been granted admission to the schools they play football for if they’d been put through the same filter as non-scholoarship applicants.

And if, as a sought-after athlete or a coach/program seeking the services of that athlete, you don’t see the value of a high school education to do more or require more than the minimum the NCAA clearing house mandates in order to qualify for admission to a college, it only stands to reason that you won’t see much value in the scholarship being offered in exchange for representing the school on the field.

We must make athletes see the value of a college educations as a means to a beginning instead of an end. And I think the only way to do that is to raise our admission standards (slowly over time, like 10 years, not all at once) so that they are more closely aligned with non-scholarship standards.

That being said, it should be noted that the coaches, programs and players involved with the incidents above actually represent a very small percentage of college football overall. Unfortunately that small percentage also seems to make most of the headlines both for their prowess on the field and their problems off of it.

Let me assure as former college football player, the vast majority of players already understand this dynamic and know that their football careers will end in college, so they better get that diploma while they can. And that’s what that ad campaign from the NCAA about most college athletes going pro in something else is all about. It’s really a reminder to the athletes themselves that they better take their grades seriously, they’ll need that paper if they plan on being successful post college.

Scholarships are means to a beginning, not an end.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Apr 7, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

One more thought

What if the NFL had a minor league system similar to that of MLB and all the athletes that could care less about a college education went there to try to make the pros instead?

I don’t know what it would do to the game overall, but it would reverse the dynamic that led to a lot of the incidents listed above.

Now you’d have to want to go to college instead having to go to college.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Apr 7, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

In fact it is not the non revenue driving sports that are the reason for these low academic standards. It is the large ones like football, basketball where people seek to exploit the system because of greed. It’s not like you see the golf, tennis or swim teams at these schools get into trouble. I play tennis collegiately in Canada and there is no such thing as a full ride scholarship for any sport. There is actually very little recruiting. Many student athletes if they want to play send video of themselves to schools for them to evaluate or they simply tryout in the summer. The best athletes are given half their tuition and living expenses paid. Every athlete goes through the same admission requirements as non athletes. I think the NCAA should really look into adopting something similar although with the money involved it is probably to late for a complete overhaul of the system. The people who play athletics in Canada actually care about their education unlike many who are simply trying to get paid and make it pro.

by CanadianHorn on Apr 7, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair, much of the point of college is to get out and get paid.

I know there are “soul searching” and “the best times of your life” reasons as well. But a lot of people go to college to increase their future earnings.

It’s not like athletes aren’t learning anything. They’re learning what they need to know to succeed in their chosen trade, just like law school, etc.

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 8, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

To play devil's advocate...

…is the game really dirtier and more corrupt today, or, has it merely become more likely to be caught, with the possibility of electronic footprints for cheating which didn’t exist a generation before and with a wider range of media putting these programs under microscopes?

by Hopkins Horn on Apr 7, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Fair question

Either way, the fact that the public is becoming more aware of it may change the outlook of college football.

by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 7, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's obviously not proof of this

but during that HBO Real Sports special, I think it was Packer who said that he thinks the game is actually cleaner now, than it was 20-30 years ago. It may have been RochRod.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 7, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Microscope has gotten stronger, but we've also changed out the lens

I think the issue is around the current cultural zeitgeist…you may have read some things about Old Empire vs. Post Empire ways of thinking. Where as in the Old Empire, when cheating – like paying players was uncovered – the court of public opinion was almost automatic to find the offending school and players guilty – who also felt shame – and the NCAA got around to punishing them in their own sweet time.

In the Post Empire, instead of admonishing these offenders, we now ask the ask if CFB is really the one who should be on trial and the offenders are much more defiant. And the good old NCAA gets even more inconsistent with dolling out punishments.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Apr 7, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good point

The shame that accompanied the SMU findings was substantial. Compare that with the defiance you see by schools and fans like Auburn, and USC today, and it’s certainly a dramatic difference.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 7, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Explains why a Pastor...

…could rationalize pimping his son for $180k anyway.

Either he only plays a pastor on TV or in his heart, he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong.

“Jerry just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it.”

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by 54b on Apr 7, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Explain why an entire instiution

can actually see the proof, and the pastor rationalizing pimping his son for $180K, and then come to the conclusion that obviously they did nothing wrong during his recruitment.

I understand how as fans, all of us can be incredibly biased at times, but the “victim” attitude of a lot of the Auburn faithful I’ve encountered, is nauseating. At this point, how can you look at just the stuff we know actually happened (aforementioned preacher pimping his son, arrest of 4 players for B&E, Nick Fairely) and reach the conclusion that “the media is just trying to get us, because we’re on top”? The only thing that makes the whole thing even more bothersome, is that I’m quite sure many of my Gator brethren, would behave the same way.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 7, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

History vs Memories

I cherish the memories of going to Wrigley Field, sitting in the bleachers and watching Sammy Sosa…some of best sporting experiences of my life. “Hey Sammy, baby, how many outs?” And then seeing him turn, flash a finger or two and smile at you.

Now I know that smile was juiced. But my memories are still pure.

I think for Auburn fans, whether Cam took money or not is moot because they themselves still got to go along for the ride and to them, turning a blind eye is not the same as being guilty.

The NCAA may tell the school to take down a banner or give back a trophy, but they can’t take back a memory and that’s all most of us have to show for it anyway.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Apr 7, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

A coworker is an Auburn alum. We were discussing the Newton thing, and she is happy for the championship. But she also hopes he goes all Joe Theismann on his first snap in the NFL.

by divinebovine on Apr 7, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just hearing that name hurts. nt

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by SwimTexas on Apr 7, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who watches Melrose Place anyways?

Do not be distracted by what you see, but be transformed by what you believe.

by 2Cor12:9 on Apr 7, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

If anything

you might argue that programs are more clean today due to the escalating likelihood of getting caught. Can’t imagine things were any better in the 80’s, but I can definitely imagine that they were worse.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am almost certain it’s actually less dirty.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

The other part of this point is the nationalization (or ESPNification) of sports. 10-15 years ago, an entire conference could go down (SWC) and barely make a ripple nationally. Now, a single school can be a national trend.

by nuftw on Apr 7, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point and a question to go along with it...

I have a friend who claims that he was a walk-on at Florida for a while and that steroid use was ubitquitous at Florida and in college football at the time. Is that something was more prevalent then than it is now due to exposure of the problem by the media, or is it something that is still going on but teams are more clever at not getting caught with steroid abuse than they are with recruting violations?

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested in exploring

why the 1980’s seemed to be the pinnacle (either in actuality or a least in our perceptions) of NCAA football scandal. The days of Barry Switzer, Jackie Sherill, Pony Express, the “U” and 2LiveCrew, steroids, paid players, etc all seem to crescendo at that time.

What factors contributed to it? Was it the economy, the political climate, did sports culture reach some significant tipping point?

Or are my perceptions just skewed, and those who lived through the 70’s can speak of darker times? The 80’s, at a minimum, seemed to hit a peak for steroids scandals in football.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very interesting questions. You should commit yourself to investigating that over the next three months and let us know what you come up with. :)

I’d say at the heart of everything there is one relationship that rules what goes down: amount of cheating is inversely proportional to the perceived risk of getting caught. I think there’s probably less of it going on now as there used to be in terms of recruiting because of the media spotlight on it. As for steroid use, I think it goes on just as much or more as it always has, but programs have developed systems to avoid getting caught and everyone ignores it because everybody is doing it and they can’t punish everybody.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Apr 7, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The sporting equivalent of Watergate

Not excusing Watergate in the least, but I’ve always held that the main problem for the villains in Watergate was their committing their crime at a time at which investigative journalism had reached a point at which their nefarious actions would much more likely be brought to light than had they happened a generation earlier. In other words, I tend to believe that similar dirty tricks had probably been committed for years, but the journalistic ethos of the day didn’t lead to their discovery.

Perhaps the same can be said of the 1980s and college-related scandals? True, there were scandals in previous years, but the likelihood that the media would discover and report wrongdoing was higher by the time we hit the 1980s. This goes to my earlier point that the game today isn’t necessarily dirtier but that the likelihood of bad deeds being discovered and publicized is much greater now. (Remember that the USC scandal was driven by Yahoo-frickin’-Sports as a case in point.)

by Hopkins Horn on Apr 7, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting point about Watergate

I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the preceding decades involved an equivalent amount of cheating, but done in such a manner that it was either concealed or the governing bodies simply turned their heads.

I wonder if the 1980’s also saw the death of regionalism in college football, as a more homogenized national football landscape began to solidify (both in terms of media coverage and on-field play). This might have invited the collapse of previous standards as well as the dissolution of older, good-ole-boy networks that had previously facilitated the very methods of cheating and subsequent concealing.

Someone with more insight into the 60’s and 70’s is probably necessary to answer those questions.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way...
has it merely become more likely to be caught

…where the hell was LookinForIt to correct my poor grammar? Come on, message board mother hen, I give up a lay-up like that to point out the flaws of a BON writer and you didn’t take the opportunity? For shame, for shame…

by Hopkins Horn on Apr 7, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

His book on grammar

and meaningful commentary on the internet is coming soon. It is entitled Que’s and he apparently will be signing copies on Guadalupe next month.

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by SwimTexas on Apr 8, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know...

I thought about trying to tie this very discussion into the post, but it was already getting too unwieldy. I see two key issues, both of which have been covered in these comments. The first is whether the game is actually any dirtier than before. The second is whether the coverage of the scandals is a product of a larger dissatisfaction with the CFB system.

As for the first issue, I can truly profess ignorance. My knowledge of CFB history is fairly limited. I can rattle off all the key stories and scandals, but I dont have any true perspective. Furthermore, and as somewhat of a sidenote, I’m not sure my generation understands anything that happened in the 80’s.

As for the second issue, I think Cory hit the nail on the head with his comment about the lens being changed in the microscope. Dont hate the player, hate the game. But, sometimes, go ahead and hate the player, too.

by txtwstr7 on Apr 7, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is awesome is your post; real meat.

Great job – and a lot of people are taking it seriously, as well they should.

Integrity counts…and when it fails, it stinks and everyone should notice.

by whills on Apr 7, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point, but that's just it for me...

It’s fonking 2011. I don’t want to live in the Deep South of the 1950. I’d like to think the South and South-friendly parts of the US are beyond situations where their institutions push to exploit great disadvantages in black communities. The kind that allow these institutions to throw dirt poor kids into game that gives you an increasingly significant risk of an aggressive, degenerative brain disease. The kind whereby we allow our state institutions to pressure poor black students into bogus course clusters and majors that will leave them with utterly useless degrees (thereby totally invalidating the “they’re getting paid with free school” excuse many of us have used to assuage our consciences about the nature of this unpaid government labor arrangement that make our game so much better than the NFL many of us gave up caring about a long time ago).

I wish none of this stuff was the case. I wish the game had no issues so we could just enjoy it for the great sport and entertainment it is. But I’m done pretending that this stuff doesn’t exist. I’m done downplaying the nature of what’s being done and the farce it makes of otherwise great, reputable academic institutions.

by Rangers100 on Apr 8, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

With the NFL Season in jeopardy....

I got nowhere else to go.

Seriously, the BCS system still vexes me the most. It’s like a bad ending to a good movie. During bowl season, I watch UT and no game else (though I did peak during the Oregon/Auburn semi-pro championship).

by Eskimohorn on Apr 7, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

This is honestly

One of the best posts I’ve read in sports. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I’m sitting in Finance class watching Inside Job, about the financial crisis, and can easily see how the above points you illustrated could be turned into a quality documentary. I’ll do the narration!

Still trying not to dampen my love for CFB though. It will take some overt or egregious violations from UT to do that.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Apr 7, 2011 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

if you enjoy this sort of thing…try and track down some of the “prophetic” papers that Henry Hu (UT law professor/ SEC) wrote about the looming crisis before it hit…

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi

by UTLawGrad on Apr 7, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I will

Thanks for the suggestion UTLG.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Apr 7, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this Cam Newton thing ever blows up...

…it will be the flagship documentary in ESPN’s 60 for 60 series. I’ll go ahead and volunteer you for the narration.

Furthermore, I appreciate the kind words. When I went to bed last night, I really wasnt sure if I’d brought everything together. The post just felt like an introduction, timeline, and then somewhat disjointed conclusion. Glad to hear you think I pulled it off.

by txtwstr7 on Apr 7, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of my issues with Tressel,

is how he kind of changed my perception of how complicit these coaches actually are. I’ve long believed that boosters, and other big money fans were the real issue, and that coaches were unaware of it (possibly on purpose). Tressel kind of changed that perception for me. Like I said above, I think that “favors” occur everywhere, and if the NCAA was to investigate every program, very few would come away clean. I just didn’t think the coaches had much of a role to play, at least not at the top.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 7, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

My kudos to this whole post and the comments that have followed

Yet another reason why I love my BON brethren, y’all raise the bar every day and make me proud.

Frontline on PBS just did a great documentary on college sports. The focus was basketball, but everything there also applies to football. Click and enjoy, it’s great stuff.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=proglist&utm_source=proglist

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by windycityhorn on Apr 7, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

A question:

Setting aside legalism, who is doing what wrong and to whom?

Which is to say, from a purely moral standpoint (Kant ftw), which of these actions actually makes someone a means, but not an end?

So Terrelle Pryor sells various memorabilia (which are his own personal possessions) to tattoo guy in exchange for trade. Honestly? So far so good. Legally he’s enjoined by the NCAA not to do stuff like that, but the NCAA isn’t a moral authority here, and in fact have the greatest case against them as strictly immoral, since they’re basically in collusion with the NFL to maintain a system that limits football players’ options to taking part in an unofficial d-league where they won’t be paid market rate or, I dunno, going to Canada.

It’s been a while since I’ve gone through my book learnin’ on the subject so forgive me if I’m not entirely coherent but it seems pay-for-play constitutes legal wrong within a system that is itself morally wrong. So there’s a logical conclusion here that says “blow the whole damn thing to hell.”

For my own part I’m too plugged in to the game to turn back now, so I’ll just have to cling to the presumption that my school (Cal, and in case you’re wondering 2005 ROSE BOWL NEVER FORGET) is clean and enjoy the chaos in the rest of the college football world as a spectator.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Huh?

“since they’re basically in collusion with the NFL to maintain a system that limits football players’ options to taking part in an unofficial d-league where they won’t be paid market rate or, I dunno, going to Canada.”

They’re certainly not fighting against the age minimum, but it’s not like they have any say in it. The NFL and the players’ association are the ones in collusion (through collective bargaining).

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 7, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Collusion may be going to far but they’re definitely benefiting and wouldn’t exactly be overjoyed to lose their highly-lucrative d-league status.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't really blame universities for letting the kids play.

Should they force them to go to Canada or the AFL? Who would benefit from that?

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 7, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ultimately it’s their decision to uphold a system which they can’t control while at the same time exacting arbitrary, vengeful retribution over transgressors. There’s no d-league for the NFL because there’s no necessity for one to exist as long as major college football does; conversely if major college football did not exist as we know it there would be a necessity for some kind of developmental system to bridge the gap between high school and the pros.

Basically the NCAA has monopolized player development, and that’s fucked, yo.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

What you said wasn’t a converse (Loy ftw) it’s an inverse.

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by SwimTexas on Apr 7, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. They should* get out of major college football to allow for the existence of an NFL d-league. Or they could just keep doing what they’re doing, which involves a lot of pretense to knowing what’s going on, a lot of arbitrary punishment, and a steadfast denial of the right for players to seek the market rate for their services.

*in the moral sense, not in the I-actually-want-them-to-do-this sense, because as I noted before: college football, love it.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 8, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Players ARE getting the market rate for their services.

Professional football sets the market rate. The NFL has decided that they aren’t going to pay anything for athletes less than three years out of high school. It’s not like the government is deciding that. The AFL or Canada would probably pay them something, but obviously most athletes think they are getting a better deal in college than in the AFL/CFL.

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 8, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You want to blow up the whole system?

For all your rambling, you sound like pre-med Eric Stratton from Animal House, “.then isn’t it an indictment on our education institutions in general.”

Regardless, what you should be concerned about is our post-season system. Cal alum are still obsessed with an omission to a post-season exhibition game (yet they get smoked by Tech?). Both Cal & Texas should have had an opportunity to play in a real playoff game. That’s the tragedy.

by Eskimohorn on Apr 7, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I specifically don’t want to blow up the current system. I love the current system. But it’s messed up.

You’re reading a liiiiiiiiiiiittle too much into my Texas/Cal comment, btw. If I step back and take off my fan hat, I don’t really care that Texas played in the Rose Bowl rather than Cal, and your point that both teams should have been able to play in a meaningful post season is apt. But putting back on my fan hat, fuck Mack Brown.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Apr 7, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Georgia fan here ...

… and I heartily second points 6, 11, 14 & 20.

In fact, I would argue that contrasting the Dareus & Green stories with Tressel & Tatgate makes the NCAA appear significantly more capricious. Dareus was accused of accepting flights to and party gifts in Miami. During the NCAA’s investigation of him, someone mentioned Green’s name, and the NCAA knocked on UGA’s door. Green told investigators—truthfully—that he had never been to Miami, especially on an agent’s dime. The NCAA, for undisclosed reasons, dug in and kept investigating Green. The jersey story eventually came out, and the NCAA hands Green the maximum penalty.

Contrast that investigation with what we’ve seen at Ohio State. The NCAA is alerted by the press that Ohio State players received improper benefits prior to the 2010 season. In their investigation, Tressel tells the NCAA—untruthfully—that he had no knowledge of the benefits and acted as swiftly as he could. The NCAA, for undisclosed reasons, quickly stops investigating tOSU and, on its own initiative, reinstates 5 tOSU players for the Sugar Bowl. In GA (and I think I can safely say throughout the SEC), both moves were taken as a slap to the face.

Personally, I’ve taken 2 things from the 2010 season: First, college football is starting to mirror larger society: there’s money to be made, and the institutions that exist to temper attempts to get it at everyone else’s expense are too feeble, understaffed, disorganized, archaic, incompetent, biased, or all of the above & more. (Full disclosure: former BigLaw here.)

Second, if you’re in non-Atlanta GA and someone finds out you’re an NCAA investigator, I’d buy a locking gas cap. People here are friendly, and every neighbor’s willing to loan a cup of sugar.

by Krautdawg on Apr 7, 2011 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for chiming in...

I was definitely hoping to read the reactions of some fans from outside the UT fanbase. To that extent, I was encouraged to see the post linked at the hallowed grounds of EDSBS. Of course, I was quickly discouraged to see it was unaddressed in the 400+ comments, which were almost entirely composed of alternatingly supportive or disparaging comments about Clemson.

I think your first takeaway from the season is very intriguing. Especially since it can be applied to several different parties. The concept can be applied to players, relatives of players, street agents, and anyone else with a vested financial interest in the game. Would love to see this takeaway fleshed out in a longer post.

by txtwstr7 on Apr 7, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

First, college football is starting to mirror larger society: there’s money to be made, and the institutions that exist to temper attempts to get it at everyone else’s expense are too feeble, understaffed, disorganized, archaic, incompetent, biased, or all of the above

There’s probably something to this as well. Would Nixon have resigned today? Or would he have tried to ride out the scandal? Ohio State pushes Woody Hayes out the door in the 70’s, but is all too happy keep Tressel today (note: I’m aware their infractions were different, but I believe the general point remains intact).

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 7, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
1) Have your feelings about college football changed over the past year? If so, why?

Yes.

CTE and oversigning have done it for me. I don’t really care about poor Southern black teens getting paid money, even if it’s illegal. I mean, I don’t any institution I’m affiliated with engaging in anything illegal, but at the end of the illegality it at least involves poor kids getting paid for their participation in a sport we’re increasingly learning is far, far more dangerous and risky than we’d long thought.

Oversigning is far, far, far worse. It involves – in the overwhelming majority of cases – an exploitation of working class or poorer black teens by powerful white men and Southern state institutions. Fortunately the water cannons and attack dogs of the world our white Southern grandparents and great-grandparents established and defended were forcibly removed from them by outsiders, but oversigning (and the incredible amount of lying and complete lack of basic ethics it requires) is a good example of the many deeply embedded – if, thankfully, less pernicious – anti-black, institutional injustices that remain in the Southern institutions we’ve inherited.

College football is a sport that has long outgrown the amateur model it was founded upon. The game is, somewhat ironically given its fan base, a sport that would lose much of what us love about it without its being a quasi-socialist operation sustained by powerful government institutions. Without their subsidizing the game and thus pricing potential competitors (i.e. minor pro leagues) out of the low end of the football labor market, the sport would basically end up being an intramural level competition.

But I’m tired of this game and what it requires. I ultimately now care a lot more about the quality of my alma maters as academic bodies than I care about their attempting to compete in a game stuck in the 1950s. I’d rather my team just shut its program down than chase Alabama, Auburn et al. into their backwoods game.

by Rangers100 on Apr 7, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm Done

I apologize in advance for not reading through the comment thread thus far. I hope I don’t just echo what has already been said.

1) Have your feelings about college football changed over the past year? If so, why?

Yes. Other than games involving the Longhorns, I think I’m done with college football unless there are massive reforms. I’m sick of the NCAA, plain and simple. A long history of selective enforcement, corruption, and hypocrisy finally boiled over when Cam Newton hoisted that crystal football towards the sky.

At this point, continuing to watch college football is just a waste of time and, truthfully, I could probably even live with giving up the Longhorns if my closest friends were willing to do the same thing. I will grant that two nontrivial factors in this are my distance from the program (I live in Seattle) and, let’s be honest, a disillusioning 5-7 season. Having said that, though, I can’t remember such a viciously negative news cycle like this past season’s.

It’s just no fun watching a game where the rules are allowed to be broken as freely as they are in college football. You would think that you would hear about stories sort of like this in salary cap leagues like the NFL and NBA: LeBron James signs with the Heat for $Xmil but also, off the official books, received $Ymil that nobody knew about. Yet we don’t. It really is a problem limited to the NCAA.

I would like to try to stop being part of the problem to the extent that I feel comfortable doing so. As such, this upcoming season will be a Longhorns-only affair for me.

2) If Mack Brown, Deloss Dodds, and Bill Powers acted similarly to their Ohio State counterparts during a scandal, how would that have affected your feelings over this season?

God. I might have quit college football altogether. I get it when people say things like, “Do you really think this stuff doesn’t happen at Texas? You just don’t get caught for it.” I will never buy that argument, though. I think many negative things about the NCAA but I don’t think it’s ever in their best interest to just ignore something that is supposedly obvious to everybody in the world.

That’s a roundabout way of trying to say that I think Mack Brown and his boys are some of the actually good guys in college football. If that image had been destroyed for me, I could have seen a scenario where I just gave the whole thing up.

I guess it sounds silly that I take pleasure in maintaining integrity in a system which lacks any at all but it is the truth.

In the end, though, the people who say, “Dude, it’s just football, don’t take it so seriously,” are absolutely right. I’m going to try not to next year.

by jpnance on Apr 7, 2011 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

No, it doesn't sound silly at all.
I guess it sounds silly that I take pleasure in maintaining integrity in a system which lacks any at all but it is the truth.

This comes down to personal ethics and integrity. That’s part of what motivated txtwstr7 to write this post.

Tressel betrayed his personal ethics…if he had any…and showed no integrity. Maybe Ohio can live with that. I couldn’t. Neither couldn’t txtwstr7. And I’m glad you couldn’t either.

by whills on Apr 7, 2011 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

If we're going to pay the players, spin the athletic programs off.

They don’t need to be attached to universities, and universities don’t need to be in the business of running billion dollar operations in extremely violent sports.

We would never support our universities building and running casinos or porn movie studios or dog-racing tracks, etc. Well, should they be running operations that apparently will increasingly be giving its students chronic traumatic encephalopathy?

by Rangers100 on Apr 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right there with you.

The current landscape is unsustainable. Only a small fraction of college athletic departments is solvent (I think it something like, six of them). Our tax money is going to pay for facilities, coaches, marketing, and operational costs that are increasingly resembling that of professional organizations. There is very little that would distinguish the budgets of most D1 athletic programs from professional franchises other than the fact that the line-item “Payroll” does not include the players in college.

Pay the players. Spin off the programs so that taxpayer money is not diverted towards athletics. This would likely reduce the amount of money at the disposal of most programs to pay coaches and support expensive facilities. This is a good thing. College athletics is subsidized currently by the taxpayer; we have more pressing things to spend money on. Like the salaries of servicemen and women.

/soapbox

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 8, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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