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The Multidimensional Nature Of Talent... And Success

Talent is multidimensional.

After four days of NFL Draft coverage, Scipio Tex found himself reflecting on the disastrous 2010 season for Texas and asking what, exactly, we mean when we say a player has talent.

Talent is actually a pretty slippery concept. On the football field and in the corporate world. I've noticed folks often tend to confuse talent with potential, talent with an expression of raw numbers, talent with scheme.

The problem, Scipio argues, is that we have a tendency to apply the descriptive label 'talented' loosely, in at least three ways.  We hear football players described as talented for their potential/raw ability, as when they are identified as highly athletic and/or skilled.  But we also describe players as talented based on outcomes -- that which has already happened, and irrespective of how it happened.  And on top of that, the talent label gets applied to players who thrive in certain roles in certain circumstances.  

The problem, of course, is that one can be 'talented' by one definition but not by the other(s).  Scipio uses the example of Texas Tech's Eric Morris, a player who decidedly lacks talent by the "potential" definition, but is talented by the other two.  A commenter provides an example the other way in John Chiles: We know he was loaded with talent (i.e. potential) when he arrived at Texas, but his career on the 40 Acres was anything but that of a "talented" player by the other two definitions.

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The problem identified, Scipio turns his attention to resolving it by, in essence, rejecting all of the common usages of 'talent' as adequate. To paraphrase: "Potential is potential. Production is production. Schematic fit is schematic fit. And none of those is talent."

But all of them might be:

I'd like to create a working definition of talent - a common vernacular - beyond the Potter Stewart definition of "I know it when I see it." Because it's pretty clear one does not exist.

Here's my attempt at a unifying definition: Talent is the expression of your developed potential within a scheme.

Scipio's proposed definition is interesting/appealing for a number of reasons. First and foremost, it incorporates all three of the concepts captured in the semi-adequate definitions. Talent is not your potential, your production, or your fit within a scheme; it is all of those things.  Or, as Scipio neatly puts it in the comments section:

I think I'm pushing for a definition of talent that is not static and is multidimensional rather than some linear plane of progression. It is not solely the sum aggregate of your genetic material. Nor is it purely your natural aptitude revealed by some scheme. Talent can be learned and instilled and being in the right schemes doesn't just reveal your innate talent - it may actually create it.

Bingo, and once again, Scipio has demonstrated his considerable intelligence and thoughtfulness.  And if his astute observation was all that there was to his post, that alone would be worth highlighting.

But I think there's more to it even than that. And though he didn't extrapolate, from the first sentence of his post I suspect that Scipio does, too.

Success in college football is multidimensional.

If we were to take a broad view of the last decade of college football and summarize the most important lessons, I'd suggest that pinning down the proper definition of top-level program 'success' is a whole lot like capturing a complete definition of player 'talent.'  For we would see:

(1)  Teams stacked with players possessing gobs of 'potential' who failed to develop and/or produce.  (For example: Tennessee of the last several years, who as recently as 2007 had the No. 3 recruiting class in the country.

(2)  Teams able to churn out magnificent production for whom sustained success was elusive. (Notre Dame under Charlie Weis leaps to mind.)

(3)  Teams thriving within an effective scheme, but falling short of capturing what we mean by program success. (Texas Tech under Leach would be the best example.)

Now, the point is not to suggest that the two concepts are perfectly analagous.  But I think that the dynamics underlying the two concepts are critically alike.  That is, like 'talent,' top-level program 'success' is, to borrow Scipio's words, "not static and is multidimensional."

Charlie Weis fundamentally misunderstood this when he infamously said upon arriving in South Bend, "Now it's X's and O's. Let's see who has the advantage now."  And though Mack Brown demonstrated an understanding of much of this -- more than most, certainly -- it took last year's fiasco for him to get it with respect to both the offense and player development. Insanely great players like Vince Young, Colt McCoy, and Jordan Shipley allowed him to get as close as one could get without getting all the way there, but last season the clock struck midnight.

The truth is that the best program needs to have all of it.  You need recruiting. You need player development. You need schematic competency. And you need execution. Among other things, but those four, above all else.  In other words, success is mutlidimensional, and over the long run, no amount of competency in one area can overcome substantial deficiency in one or more of the others.

Just like... talent. You need raw ability.  And you need to be able to develop it.  And you need to be able to apply it.

We have a tendency to focus on factors individually, without sufficient attention paid to their interplay.  And whether evaluating player talent or program health, we'd be better off if we did.

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So why didn't Scipio write this article?

Peter no offense because I like reading your material but you spend the majority of the article referring to Scipio’s comments or definitions on talent. It seems the wrong person was chosen to write this, but what do I know.

by CanadianHorn on May 4, 2011 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not following you

I explained Scipio’s thoughts on talent. And then added my own thoughts by suggesting that they are a useful way to look at something else — overall program health/success.

I’m not following you.

You realize we write for different websites, right?

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by Peter Bean on May 4, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understood what you were doing

I’m not saying I didn’t like the article, you definitely make a point but i felt like you were headed in a different direction at the midway point. I should probably read scipio’s article and then reread this one. And yes I forgot you wrote for different sites, when i posted my comment I just assumed he wrote on here since you were quoting him; my bad.

by CanadianHorn on May 4, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent points.

I would add that a key ingredient is “heart”. To me it is equally as necessary to succeed as any , or all, of the other three. It is also probably the hardest to measure or scout. It doesn’t earn a kid stars in the recruiting rankings. It isn’t obvious in a timed run. It can’t even be coached or taught. It’s the intangible that makes magic on the field.

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by OnMySignal on May 4, 2011 5:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Definition

I don’t much like the proposed definition. “Developed potential” is almost circular and avoids saying what it is that is being developed. “Within a scheme” seems to disqualify individual athletics (does a wrestler have a scheme?) and suggests that talent requires some sort of organization for it to be expressed.

Maybe we want to stretch the word “talent” to include other attributes that make a player a desirable recruit — character, potential, toughness, etc — because we lack another suitable term. But (for me) a better definition would more along the lines of “skills and abilities appropriate to an endeavor”.

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by Caradoc on May 4, 2011 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Talent

is how good someone is at something. Potential is not related to talent at all. Potential is merely the ability to BECOME talented. How much of your potential you develop does not relate at all to how talented you are. If a player has the potential to be the greatest running back ever, but he only reaches 75% of that potential, his level of talent is still more than the guy who could be an average running back and reaches 100% of his potential.

As an example: Everyone has the potential to juggle, but only someone who actually can juggle is talented at juggling, and those who can juggle more things in the air are more talented at juggling.

An example with football: No one will argue that GG had the potential to be a very good college quarterback in his sophomore season, but he was NOT a talented quarterback his sophomore season. He does, however, still maintain his potential.

Another football example: Aaron Williams was talented AND he has potential (i.e, he can become even more talented).

I think a better definition would be : Talent is the ability to perform or express a specific skill. That skill can range from throwing a football in a spread offense, to blocking in a zone system, to being in math league, to throwing strikes in baseball, or inducing ground outs, etc etc etc. Scheme is just a more burdensome way of defining “skill”, a more generic and easily understandable term. Potential is not needed anywhere near the actual definition of talent.

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by ihavethemelody on May 4, 2011 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

From the Gallup Management Journal

a short but sweet analysis of what is covered in the body of this post…

Normally we associate talent only with celebrated excellence — with a strong emphasis on the word “celebrated.” … Great managers disagree with this definition of talent. It is too narrow, too specialized. Instead, they define a talent as “a recurring pattern of thought, feeling or behavior that can be productively applied.” The emphasis here is on the word “recurring.”

The emphasis, as the article states, is on the word ‘recurring’. This clearly differentiates potential from talent.

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by SpiritOfTheFedora on May 4, 2011 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure I agree with the semantics here

First, I personally have no anecdotal evidence of people confusing talent for productivity. In fact, quite the opposite, I regularly witness that particular distinction being made. I’m fairly certain most people intend the word talent to mean natural ability. However, we do have myriad ways of describing a player as productive, and I seriously doubt if anyone is really interchanging the two.

I submit that what you seek is a metric for determining a player’s value, which, as you suggest, tends to convolve many factors, factors that clearly extend beyond mere talent.

My concern here, as always, is that when language is loosely interpreted, even retrofitted, to the whims of our current thinking, the very system of communication that facilitates said thinking, and one’s ability to introduce said thinking into useful discourse, disintegrates, and we thus invite the possibility of greater miscommunication and the deterioration of precise thinking. And thus my sense is that a culture would be wise to guard its language against unnecessary alteration.

by BrooklynHorn on May 4, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Regardless - BON Contributors are Very Talented IMHO

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by realmccoy on May 4, 2011 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

An Amendment to Scipio Tex

I have the potential to become an artist. Some folks say I have a modicum of intelligence and my spouse has facilitated my education in concepts like, form, color, composition and the other features that good or great artists use. That said, I have no innate attributes that would ultimately make me a talented artist, even if I had top level guidane and inspiration. I have potential, as we all do; but, IMO, potential doesn’t – in and of itself – establish a baseline for talent.

So…I’d suggest amending the definition to: Talent is the fulfillment of one’s unique abilities and attributes. I’m not sure a scheme is necessary for that definition, universally speaking. But…for a college football team, scheme is key and requires the interplay of talents (coaches, players, trainers, etc.).

Last year was a multidimensional failure of “fulfillment”, in part because the various “glues” – education, inspiration, discipline, communication, and commitment – never adhered. Ultimately, success starts at the top by integrating a human organization that minimized the opportunity for personal human failure within a scheme.

Let’s hope MB gets it right. Hook ’em!!

by pchorn on May 5, 2011 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

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