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Texas Longhorns Basketball Recruiting 2012: Post Players

Today I'll be looking at how Texas can shore up a glaring hole inside with the 2012 recruiting class. In case you missed the perimeter-oriented part of the preview, you can find that here. As I mentioned in that article, the 2012 national class is extremely post-heavy, a rare trait nowadays with the evolution of the game to the perimeter due to modern infatuation with the three-point line among other factors.

As you know, Texas is looking woefully thin in the post for the next few years. Tristan Thompson is officially gone to the NBA, leaving RS seniors in the stone-handed Alexi Wangmene and Clint Chapman, who didn't play last year, as the only returning posts on the team. They will be pushed by two infinitely more talented true freshman—stretch four Jonathan Holmes and small forward Kevin Thomas, who could start off his career in Austin as an interior player.  Holmes and Thomas will likely join talented, but raw, true freshman center Cameron Ridley as the only "post players" currently projected to be on the roster in 2012. You can find my somewhat outdated player evaluation of Ridley here. Obviously, Rick still has some serious work to do in order to shore up the front line in time for the 2012 season, especially since neither Holmes nor Thomas are expected to spend much time banging in the post in their careers.

Meanwhile, let's take a look at whom the Horns are pursuing down low for the 2012 class.

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C Shaq Cleare

Bio: 6'8", 250 lbs.

Hometown: Houston, TX

High School: The Village School

ESPN Rank: 22

ESPN Evaluation

Breakdown: Shaq is a big-bodied low post player that I believe would complement Ridley's more diverse offensive game well. There's been some talk that he would possibly be loathe to join the same frontcourt as Ridley at UT, but that seems to be coming more from his supporters/entourage than Shaq himself. Regardless of the reason, talk connecting Texas and Cleare has been sparse of late. Shaq was rumored to have been favoring Maryland a few weeks back, but I've yet to hear anything about how the retirement of Gary Williams has affected his decision.

Strengths: Cleare's game on both sides of the ball is extremely reminiscent of Jared Sullinger. They're both wide-bodied low post 6'8"-ish guys with very good upper body strength and phenomenal lower body strength who are going to get most of their points around the basket or at the free throw line. Cleare has a great power drop step move that he can employ from both blocks over both shoulders. Once he gets down low, it doesn't really matter what he does offensively because he's such a load that he's either going to make the basket or get to the line—or both. Just a bull inside on both the offensive and defensive end, and a good rebounder on each as well. Has the vision and willingness to find open teammates when double-teamed before quickly resealing his defender inside for an easy layup. Shaq shows good athleticism for his size on both alley-oop finishes and when blocking or contesting shots. An underrated strength for him is how quickly he outlets the ball off of defensive rebounds. He's basically the anti-Gary Johnson in this regard.

Weaknesses: Over the course of his time in college, Cleare will need to continue to develop his offensive game by adding a counter offensive move (such as an up-and-under or a turnaround/fadeaway jumper) off of his drop step, as well as a more refined midrange jumper that can really stretch defenses to the high post. His biggest problem at the next level will likely be keeping his weight down and his conditioning up. Sullinger, with his similar frame, had this very problem of keeping his weight under control in his first season at Ohio State. Yes, it worked out for him, but Cleare isn't at that talent level. Finally, Shaq needs to be careful when he outlets the ball so quickly, as I mentioned earlier, because while this can start a fast break effectively (especially with a guy like Myck Kabongo), at the collegiate level it will often lead to intercepted passes for easy layups.


PF/C Mitch McGary

Bio: 6'10", 250 lbs.

Hometown: Chesterton, IN

High School: Brewster Academy

ESPN Rank: 4

ESPN Evaluation

Breakdown: McGary has arisen on the Longhorn radar in the past month—particularly on Inside Texas, who have maintained Texas is in an excellent position to pick up a commitment from the talented post. Mitch's stock has exploded lately as both Rivals and ESPN have bumped him up more than any other player in the 2012 class in their most recent rankings update (to 5th and 4th respectively). Jerry Meyer said of McGary: "Athletic and skilled at 6-10, McGary has been one of the most impressive prospects on the circuit this spring." Despite his talent level and the praise that has been heaped on him from everybody of late, McGary maintains his best assets are being a hard worker, hustling, and playing with heart. Humility you don't see too often in a young, highly-ranked basketball star.

Strengths: You don't see the kind of coast-to-coast ability in a big man you'll find in McGary very often. He's almost impossible to guard off a rebound when he breaks for the opposing team's hoop because of his size and handle in the open court, usually culminating in a rousing right-handed throw down. Speaking of which, it's odd that Mitch finishes on dunks better with his right because he is actually left-handed. Probably an ambidextrous thing where you do some things better with the right and some with the left. McGary is also a good shooter with range to the three-point line and a solid stroke. His face-up ability from the perimeter allows him to easily pump fake and go around defenders for a massive slam or drop-off pass to a teammate. But don't peg McGary as the type of modern big that so often likes to hover around the perimeter and waste his size. Mitch loves to bang in the post with an array of post moves including a baseline spin move on both sides, right shoulder hook, and a turnaround jumper. He has the size, strength, and athleticism to out-duel almost any type of defender and is nothing less than an impressive finisher at this stage of development. He also has soft hands, something UT fans have come to see as a luxury. Finally, McGary is a plus rebounder, plays aggressively, and has a very nice feel for the game for such a young player.

Weaknesses: Not really very many that I can discern. Mitch has put on a lot of weight lately and he needs to be sure to continue to predominantly add muscle, not fat. He'll also need to learn to finish with his left hand better on dunks and his right hand on over-the-shoulder hooks, but those are minor quibbles at best. My inability to find any real weaknesses in McGary's game echoes his meteoric rise in the rankings by each of the major recruiting sites. It's simply very rare to find a big man in high school that has ideal height and doesn't need to add strength (Isaiah Austin), plays inside and out (Cam Ridley), dominates consistently instead of showing flashes (Andre Drummond), is athletic (DaJuan Coleman), and plays hard all the time (Coleman). The parenthetical citations are other top-rated bigs in the class with those problems. Along with wunderkind Shabazz Muhammad, McGary appears to be the most complete player in an extremely high-potential class at this time.


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Thanks GoHorns

Very excited to read that Texas has the best shot with McGary. The kid can ball. Great film.

I like the Cleare – Sullinger comparison. I’d say Texas could use a player like that.

Texas will definitely need both in 2012.

Fingers crossed on Tony Woods. I’ve read conflicting reports on DeAndre Daniels. At this point, Texas just needs a warm body that is 6’10’’ or taller for 2011.

by billfromlaketravis on May 30, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd like us

To take both as well. But we have to take one of L.J. Rose/D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera and I don’t see how Barnes passes on Smart. That would be five and would only leave us with four scholarships for 2013, which is the best in-state class Texas has had in ages. The four schollie thing assumes Myck (and Daniels, if he comes here) are gone by 2013 (and they will be) and that nobody else enters.

That is probably overly confident, as Sheldon McClellan will likely be draft-ready by then and it’s hard to see two 5* bigs with good height in McGary and Ridley both staying past a freshman season unless we get the two-year rule from the new CBA.

So let’s say Texas has five schollies for 2013 (although I could certainly see us with six or more depending on early entry and xfers). Julius Randle is the definition of a necessity and is a more talented version of Michael Beasley. The Harrisons seem a bit flaky from what I’ve heard, but you don’t pass on two top 10 players as a package deal. Especially when one is the top PG in the class. Speaking of package deals, long-distance sniper and 5* guard Matt Jones is an AAU teammate of Randle and the two are very good friends. If Texas does get the Harrisons, they’ll probably have to decide whether they want to go harder after Jones or SG Keith Frazier, a top 10 SG in the class that has a pretty similar skillset to Jones.

Really sucks that all these great SGs (Jordan’s brother Isaac Hamilton included) are all in the same class. Luckily Justin Jackson, another player who would have likely been a 5* SG from Texas, reclassified to the 2014 class and is one of the top players there. Texas is fortunate in that highly-rated post Derrick Griffen will likely draw a football scholarship, where he is the top TE in the state and possibly the country.

That would give Texas Randle (PF), the Harrisons (PG and a SG), Derrick Griffen (combo forward), and Jones/Frazier (SG). If Texas were to take another player, you’d expect it to be a lower-ranked player more likely to stick around for a while—possibly a project big man or a lower-rated PG a la Sterling Gibbs.

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 30, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Griffin

Is Griffin more likely to choose basketball over football? I’ve read if Griffin continues to grow he’ll choose basketball and not look back. Hopefully, Griffin plays both basketball and football at Texas. Griffin at 240 – 250 pounds could be a force on the court and the basketball field.

Griffin would be a PROGRAM CHANGER at TE for Texas Football. Think J – Mike like impact.

GoHorns, if Seals – Jones Texas good in basketball? Another basketball – football possibility. I’ve read Seals – Jones almost certainly has a better future in football than basketball. Griffin could be a great player in either sport.

If the Texas has to decide between McGary and Cleare, it’s McGary and it’s not even close, imo.

by billfromlaketravis on May 30, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoping

Griffin stops growing so he plays both and UT hoops gets a free schollie plus Mack gets best TE in his tenure.

I’ve read the same stuff as you on Recruitocosm about Seals-Jones being a 6’5" post and not good enough to play hoops (as well as being overrated as a WR). He’s definitely a better football player than basketball player. Don’t see Swoopes or him contributing on basketball court.

McGary is light years ahead of Cleare so you’re spot on there.

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 30, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swoopes wants to play basketball at the next level too? Urgh, why not just have a 12 man basketball team entirely on football scholarships? It would save the University some money.

Kidding of course.

by billfromlaketravis on May 30, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

2013 is will be very interesting

Just my gut feel, but I think Rick will go all-in with Julius Randle and try to pick up either Jones or Frazier along with him. I’m just not feeling overwhelmingly positive on the Harrisons.

by jc25 on May 30, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not either Jeff

And it’s the weirdest feeling. Part of it for me I guess is how strongly they want to start wherever they go. But yeah I’m just not really feeling them right now, despite the fact that most people would probably say Texas as a destination for them since they haven’t really done much school listing.

I really feel that if we don’t get 2/3 of “The Harrisons,” Frazier, or Jones then we messed up somewhere. You’d think it would be beyond simple to sell, for instance, Frazier on being the “three” and Jones on being the “two,” even though in college they’re both basically playing shooting guard and all the NBA teams know that and sympathize. How many collegiate teams use a SF anyway? Maybe 40% of the major teams if that many?

IDK how hard UK is even recruiting them, but I have a feeling the H’s go to Coach Cal since Andrew is the top PG in the class and they’ll have a good chance to start due to Kentucky’s constant NBA losses.

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 30, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Kentucky

If you look at the Big Board I just posted, Harrison would definitely be the cream of the PG class. However, there are some 4* names tied to Kentucky, most notably Solomon Poole (Stacey Poole’s little brother), Isaiah Lewis (a huge Kentucky lean, just waiting for an offer), and Tyler Ennis. Of the 3, I like Ennis. He’s from Canada and plays on St. Benedict’s, Tristan Thompson’s former school. I think he could really shoot up the recruiting boards as he gains more exposure.

Kentucky also will have Ryan Harrow, who may not be “one and done” after his first year in a Kentucky uni. He doesn’t have the prototypical NBA PG size, so unless he blows everyone out of the water in 2012, he may need to be back for a year 2 to prove he can succeed in the NBA (think DJ Augustin).

That said, I definitely think that Kentucky is in the mix for the Harrisons.

by jc25 on May 31, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

gohorns didn't see a player comparison for McGary so I'll give you one.

I think he is a slightly less athletic Chris Webber with a little more range on the jumper. we’ll see if he can live up to that comparison but early on in his career thats what i would peg him as. If we get McGary and Ridley and Kabongo somehow stays for a 2nd year, I might have to predict a national title, (one can dream) but we’re a long way from that scenario. I like cleare’s game too but it doesn’t sound like he is coming to Texas especially if McGary picks the horns. Too bad none of these guys are going to be here this season. (Does anyone know if Ridley is in good academic standing and could fast track his courses and be here by January? because that’s how badly we need someone.)

by CanadianHorn on May 30, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Webber

Seems like a good comparison to me. Another is Josh McRoberts before he ate out the Duke dining hall every night and ballooned.

Haven’t heard anything about Ridley enrolling early.

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 30, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we don't hit with Woods

You’ll be even less joking than you intended :)

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 30, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great write-up, Blake

On the 2012 recruits, some quick thoughts:

- I think the Turgeon hire is good news for Maryland on the Shaq Cleare front. It sounded like Cleare was close to pulling the trigger with Williams, but Turgeon was recruiting him while at A&M as well, so there’s still continuity. Turgeon is keeping MD assistant Bino Ranson and bringing ex-A&M assistant Scott Spinelli, so it’s not like Cleare has to get completely reacclimated with a new coaching staff. That’s also bad news on the Harrison twins front. I think they’ll strongly consider following Cleare, their AAU teammate, wherever he goes to college.

- Mitch McGary blowing up may have the same adverse affect to Texas as the DeAndre Daniels ascension did. Right after Texas offered McGary, I, along with the rest of the interwebs, had the same reaction: “who?!” Now, he’s at the top of the recruiting boards and will be rolling in the offers. He just took an unofficial to UConn this past weekend. This one will be a battle. I think it’s also the one Rick feels most confident on, but in no way is Texas a favorite at this point.

A few other names to keep an eye on:

- Per Scout, Andre Drummond has an offer. That’s a pipedream.

- Scout and Rivals both have California kid Brandon Ashley with an offer. There’s been little news about Ashley’s recruitment, but he may be hard to pry from the west coast. Scout also has Californian Robert Upshaw holding a Texas offer, and Rivals doesn’t, but has Texas in Upshaw’s top 3.

- Rivals has Robert Carter holding a Texas offer, while Scout doesn’t. Carter supposedly just secured an offer from Kentucky and is another name to track. Conversely, Scout says Ricardo Gathers has an offer, but not Rivals. Gathers is from Reserve, LA, so he’s relatively close to Austin compared to these other names.

- AJ Hammons has an offer per Scout. At one point, I thought Barnes was going all-in and taking either Hammons or McGary, whichever committed first. Now, McGary has blown up on the boards while Hammons is still in the 50s.

- Not sure if you’d call him a true big, but Winston Shepard from Findlay Prep will also be under strong consideration. He’s got the offer per both Scout and Rivals.

by jc25 on May 30, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Jeff

I’ll go by your same bullet points.

-Think you’re completely right about Cleare. I posted something about that on M2M—not sure if you read it yet. I know Cleare has a strong connection to the H’s. Sucks. My Maryland friend would…well…need new underwear if I told him he were getting two top ten recruits including the best PG in the class by far after years of watching Gary Williams trying to coach up middling mid major players…

-Again, spot on about McGary. Fortunately, his dad is completely on our side unlike DeAndre’s and hey, both the kids love UT. Mitch’s dad even made a joke about committing to UT on the spot to somebody, so that’s good to hear. None of this, “I’m not sure if Barnes can make an NBA caliber player” bullshit. Hell, that’s Barnes’ best quality. So yeah, it will be a tough fight now that everybody is getting in on the action, but I love that UT was probably out in front a couple of months before his stock exploded.

-Drummond is going to UConn or Kentucky. I don’t believe for a second that UT offered him. They’ve never shown any interest because he’s been slated for UConn for years, but of course Cal always has a shot.

-I do believe that UT has offered Ashley. We love West Coast kids—especially since UCLA, Stanford, and the rest of the Pac however many have been laughably bad of late. Obviously Arizona is erasing this trend as I speak and will be dominating the West for decades under Sean Miller, who made a genius decision to stay at a comparable school to Maryland that has no competition right now for recruits. Don’t really see us pursuing Ashley that hard if we’re in Shabazz’s top 7 and are hardly recruiting him. Still confused about why we aren’t even taking a shot at Muhammad as he’s clearly the best player in the class and will embarrass kids on the collegiate level for a year. I like Upshaw a lot and I think he has good Upside, but with Ridley and hopefully McGary I think he needed to be a 2011 grad, in which case the entire Longhorn nation would be anointing him as the savior of our frontcourt for next year. Another guy who Texas has been on for a while that has just absolutely blown up lately. Doesn’t he play for Dream Vision with Shabazz? That team is jacked.

-I also heard that we offered Robert Carter and Alex Poythress might have one too. Don’t think we’ve offered Gathers but I’m not sure. Don’t see a spot for him and he’s probably LSU bound anyway.

-Hammons has potential since he’s so tall but there’s no way we take him if we get McGary, IMO, unless it’s some kind of package deal with teammate DSR.

-Yeah I was lazy with Shepard. Originally I was going to put him on the perimeter list since he projects as a SF. Then that got really long and I thought well he plays post right now so I’ll put him in that. Then I decided since he’s really not that good anyway and I’d much rather have Anthony Bennett from the same “high school.” Better shooter. Better dribbler. Better primacy. Better post moves. Better body. Comparable athlete. Better player in basically every way. If it’s five guys in the 2012 class (assuming Ridley, McGary, Smart, DSR/Rose), I’m pretty torn between A) Bennett B) Upshaw/Hammons as a project big that definitely won’t be leaving right away C) trying to get both DSR and Rose and making all the teams that need a PG in 2012 absolutely hate us, plus giving us a backcourt that has two combo guards in case we miss on Andrew Harrison in 2013 and D) saving the scholarship for the 2013 class. Thoughts?

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 30, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just read your M2M post...good stuff

Linked.

One thing that’ll be interesting with Turgeon recruiting Maryland is that he was never really active in going after the AAU 5* studs at A&M. It would appear that with the hiring of Dalonte Hill, Turgeon means to rectify that at Maryland. But…we’ll see.

Supposedly Muhammad will be taking a trip to Texas sometime in the summer. It’ll be the last school on his “list of 7” that he’ll have visited. I don’t think Texas has a shot on this one. Still, if you’re going for completeness, a “wings” post with Muhammad, Bennett, and Shepard would be nice, I guess. It’s possible Rick just goes 2 bigs, a SG and a PG in the 2012 class.

by jc25 on May 31, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just seems like

We’re ALWAYS talking about scholarship numbers and NEVER end up with close to enough players. Recruiting must be really hard in basketball since the kids are often so fickle and flaky. Premature NBA defections, transferring due to PT or family healthy concerns, or just flat-out not developing at all. 2012 just feels like a class in which we’ll end up wishing we had taken more by the start of the next season, when it’s already too late (just like the start of last season when Ward and Williams transferred and we only had 2 guys coming in).

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 31, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on that point

I think 2012 really needs to be Rick’s “go for the gusto” year. His most important recruit will be getting Kabongo back for year 2. If he can do that, he should have some of the pieces set for a title run.

The backcourt will be stacked, with Kabongo and Brown at the 1 and 2, and Gibbs as the primary backup. Lewis and McClellan will provide quality depth, and maybe one of them can grow into a 3. In this scenario, based on the current roster, Barnes will be asking for a lot of development from Holmes and Kevin Thomas. Alternatively, we can still hold out hope that either Woods or Daniels comes to the 40 Acres and stays for year 2.

Add in an absolutely stacked recruiting class that can contribute a couple of immediate starters, and that’s a championship-caliber ballclub. The goal absolutely should be to replicate Kentucky’s model this year. I just don’t know if Rick has it in him to get all this done.

by jc25 on May 31, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't see Rick

Ever actually trying to get a player to return. Never heard anything other than that he tries to get his players to the NBA as soon as possible. Ergo don’t have much faith in Kabongo or potentially DD returning.

Could definitely see J’Covan going pro after next year if he plays decently, just due to feeling like it’s time to leave. Hopefully he goes the Ashton Gibbs and returns to lead the team in his senior year.

Agreed about UK’s model this year, other than Cal seemingly trying his best to get Jones, Knight, and Liggins to go pro.

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by GoHornsGo90 on May 31, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cleare or McGary would be sweet to me to play along with Ridley.

LJ Rose/Marcus Smart/D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera—-Any of the 3, All 3, Sign-’Em-Up!
Winston Shepard too.

2013-Randle, Frazier and Derrick Griffin for Texas-YES PLEASE!

by PeteyNhtown on May 30, 2011 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

GREAT BON post again and again

WOW! I thank you and all other BON writers who research a topic and write such good
pieces. Peter, BON is #1 for a reason and it is the casual reader like me that benefits
the most. Learning something new everyday. I read this post and comments 3 times
it is so outstanding. It lets us die-hard Longhorns feel like we are part of the tapestry
that is college sports. That is why when I pass away my ashes will be scattered
in the grass around the South Main Fountain. You would be amazed at how many
obituaries I read in the Dallas MN that say (paraphrasing) another Longhorn is in
heaven. Thank you all for your time and dedication.

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by ut1ou2 on May 30, 2011 10:36 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Glad to get either one

Is there any word on how Chapman and Wangmene are looking for next year? I think we might be surprised by Chappy.

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by Caradoc on May 31, 2011 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll be in the opposite camp.

My only hope is Chap will be serviceable like Matt Hill became.

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by run Bevo run on May 31, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not much hope for Chapman

Too many chances. Too little production. Same thing with Wang and Hill for his career.

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