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Jim Tressel Resigns: Why He's Gone, What It Means

It's The Cover Up, Stupid

As clear and serious a violation as was Jim Tressel's original course of action following the selling of memorabilia, his subsequent sins are the reason that as of this morning he is no longer the head coach at Ohio State. He made a big mistake, and he was going to pay a price for it, but he probably would have survived had he not lied about it, repeatedly. It's always the cover up.

The reactions from Ohio State fans range from misplaced anger to resigned sorrow. Some blame the players whose mistakes were the first domino to fall, but that's a red herring.  Although the players' misdeeds are a but-for cause of Tressel's resignation, the proximate cause is Tressel's behavior in the aftermath -- first in non-reporting the issue, then in playing the players in the Fiesta Sugar Bowl, and finally, and most damningly, in the lies he told to try and cover it up.

Over at the superb OSU blog Eleven Warriors, Alex summarizes the chain of events with an analogy:

We can thank one little mistake that I compare to pulling a loose thread on a t-shirt. In lying by omission about his players selling their memoriabilia and executing the worst press conference in the history of press conferences to go public about his actions, Jim Tressel fed himself to the hounds.

I think that's basically right, although (1) it perhaps understates things a bit, and (2) shouldn't it be a sweater? More accurate might be to say there was a really big, conspicuous thread hanging from Tressel's sweater, and instead of fixing it he tried to stuff two feet of yarn down his pants and hoped no one would notice. But much worse was his response when people started asking questions.

Reporter:  Coach, can you comment on the big thread hanging from your sweater?

Tressel:  What thread?

Reporter:  The one you tried to stuff down your pants.

Tressel:  The... party. With the... with the pants. Party with pants?

Reporter:  I love that movie.

Tressel:  I love lamp.

Both:  [long laugh]

Reporter:  Seriously, though: what about that thread?

Tressel:  Which thread? Where?

Reporter:  [reaching for the thread]

Star-divide

In that sense, Alex is spot-on: Tressel invited the media to begin tugging on his sweater the moment that he began dodging and lying about the violations.  But make no mistake, that's what should have happened, and if Tressel could have survived owning up to one torn sweater, by lying about it he invited everyone to rummage through his entire wardrobe. As I wrote a month ago:

Is that not the situation that we're in with Jim Tressel?  That is, even if we can somehow concoct a justification for Jim Tessel not getting fired for this incident, does it not damningly suggest that we should wonder whether there are other incidents that he has successfully covered up?  Personally, I think his actions in the present case warrant a dismissal, but even if one were to conclude that these particular violations are not, on their own, enough to fire him, what about the way that he tried to cover them up?  And much more damningly, the way that he then lied about them?

Are we really to believe that this was it?  That this was a lone incident?  Even if it was, how can we know?  How can we know when Tressel demonstrated his willingness to lie?  And then when confronted with new evidence, to lie again

Lo and behold, the digging has been done, a damning Sports Illustrated article is set to publish this week, and Jim Tressel is forced to resign on Memorial Day.

What It All Means

Speaking of which, it would be downright un-American of me not to include a little moralizing in this post, no? And in any event, Jim Tressel's resignation is a very big deal. Ask yourself what kind of odds you would have gotten last September on Tressel resigning amidst a scandal within the year. 100-to-1? 250? Although handled differently Jim Tressel could have survived with his "good, clean guy" reputation mostly in tact, as it happened the chain of events is one of the most significant recent off-field events in college football. So what did we learn?

1.  There are lots of ways to be dirty.

Not all college football miscreants are alike. There is The SEC Cheat, who goes about his dirty work straightforwardly. It's practically a civic duty, for boosters and coaches alike.  "If buying players cars is so wrong, why'd the mayor give me a key to the city for it then? Nuff said." 

A related breed, of course, is The USC Cheat, who is similarly straightforward, but adds a seductive flaunt to the approach. "Hey, it's L.A., baby. We're just having fun here. Come on, let's go get a drink and do some winning."

But quite distinct from those first two is The Lookaway Cheat, and in Jim Tressel that club has a new poster boy. Reading reactions from OSU fans, you hear a whole lot about what a good man Tressel is. I don't have any reason to doubt that he is, nor do I think this scandal necessarily speaks to his character. He is flawed, of course, but we're not talking about Dave Bliss here. Tressel seems like a genuinely good person -- one who, like the rest of us, makes his fair share of mistakes.

But all of that is largely irrelevant as pertains to evaluating his in/ability to operate his program within the rules of the system. If Tressel were a classless, puppy-hating grouch who nonetheless ran a crystal-clean program, he might have other problems (such as a much shorter leash with the fans and media), but NCAA sanctions wouldn't be among them. The only possible relevance of Tressel's character to the issues at hand is in the manner in which he cheated. He wasn't a blatant kind of violator, but he was perfectly willing to look the other way. And, as we're finding out, to help do a little dusting under the rug if need be.

It's a good thing that Jim Tressel had such a positive impact on the Ohio State community. He deserves all that appreciation and support. But he was a cheater. Maybe not the most blatant or unlikable kind, but a cheater nonetheless. Not only that, but a systematic one. He wouldn't have resigned otherwise.

2. If Tressel can go down, no one is untouchable.

Given the cover up, I thought Tressel wasn't going to survive this scandal, but now that his downfall is complete the symbolic importance is significant. As we just finished discussing: Tressel is a good guy who was beloved by both his fans and the media. It doesn't matter that he did enough wrong that he had to resign on Memorial Day morning: Tressel's downfall sets a precedent.

Unless we learn from the Sports Illustrated article that Tressel was doing Gary Barnett-type stuff, with some time the historical narrative will settle to a milder version of the facts, in which Jim Tressel -- "a really good guy, remember" -- made a few mistakes and resigned honorably. And at the end of the day, one of college football's thought-to-be "untouchable" coaches just went down. Might that have a lasting impact around the sport?

Perhaps not, but Titanic just hit an iceburg. The first way this could matter prospectively is the threshold for future coaches in hot water. "Well, if Tressel had to go at Ohio State, doesn't Coach X have to go at School Y?"  Especially given the way Gene Smith and the Ohio State athletics department came out looking from this shipwreck, it wouldn't be surprising to see indiscretions internally prosecuted with much greater formality and scrutiny. And (even more) lawyers.

3.  Journalists... being journalists? Whoa.

The second place Tressel's downfall might carry import relates to the media. As the details about Tressel's myriad transgressions come to light, there appears to be something resembling momentum in reporting about college football. It started when two reporters no one had heard of at Yahoo got the bright idea that instead of fluffing USC they could investigate what was actually going on. And most recently, the Columbus Dispatch did terrific work covering Tressel's problems, while there is what is expected to be a damning investigative piece on the same in this week's Sports Illustrated. With that said, we're not exactly in a muckraking rennaissance. News that bowl executives were taking schools' ticket money and lighting it on fire on yachts had to be broken by a political action committee, after all.

The most culpable media entity is ESPN, which devotes enormous resources to lazy, largely uninteresting opinion (Hello, niche for blogs), and most of what little budget does go to investigative reporting gets wasted breaking stories like: "Gambling On Youth Football In South Florida."  What?! You mean to tell me that drug dealers in an economically devastated South Florida city are gambling on the happenings in their neighborhood? What's next?? Rolling dice and betting on the outcome? The horror!

The one piece Outside The Lines did on college football covered the Cam Newton scandal, and it was soft and uncontroversial, featuring Eddie George telling us Newton's a good guy. For ESPN, breaking stories in college football means Craig James getting in a parent-coach fight.

Will the Tressel story have any impact on college football's media? On ESPN, I'm skeptical, not because they couldn't (with their resources, they could be fierce), but because their financial interest in the sport is so substantial; it's like expecting Berkshire Hathaway to share negative information about their companies when they are not obligated to. Not gonna happen. 

That leaves everyone else, but here, again, there appears to be some real momentum. From books like "Death To The BCS," to niche reporting like that done by Playoff PAC and Oversigning.com, to good old fashioned reporting by big media companies like that done by Yahoo in covering Reggie Bush and street agents, an increasing amount of quality reporting is being done.  Indeed, there's been so much recent negative news about college football that Cody was compelled to devote a lengthy blog post to it all. At this time it's still more Pro Publica than New York Times, but that's changing, and there's an awful lot out there for journalists who are willing to look.

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There is so much money involved now...

my fear is it is only a matter of time before nearly every major institution suffers from a similar self-inflicted wound.

Wasn't this system designed to prevent this from happening?
2010/11 Final BCS Standings
1. Auburn 14-0
2. TCU 13-0

by Mulliganville on May 30, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess we can guess what the SI article will cover...
BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
RT @elevenwarriors: We’re hearing from a pretty reliable source that Pryor’s playing days are over at Ohio St due to new allegations.

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on May 30, 2011 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I had this queued up for an upcoming post

but today’s events sucked the wind right out. Your post actually sets up my thoughts on the matter.

This story aligns historically with downfalls of nations due to nativism and national pride to the point of blind faith. A recent commentary by long time Columbus-Dispatch sports writer Bob Hunter touched briefly on those who propagate the orbit of collegiate athletics. The rules of supply and demand are complicated. If you build it, will they come? Or do athletics exist to satisfy an inherent need for village superiority? In either case, the momentum of the popularity of college athletics as Americas Past time will not be diminished by scandal. If anything, scandal will only serve to strengthen its position. It will foment an entrenchment to ensure no harm comes to the brand.

As the noose tightens around an institution facing the possibility of NCAA sanctions, the wagons are circled among the diehard faithful with the most to lose. Saving face is paramount to keeping the masses feeding at the turnstile trough and improving the competitive ratings that university presidents must deliver to feed the television producers what they dearly treasure. Questions turn to "how could this happen?" to definitive statements of "there is no way our program would stoop to rule violations because we’re better than this." Above the fray, we have all convinced ourselves we’re winners, and winners don’t have to cheat.

However, the mirror reflects something different as the toxic environment leads to no winners. Everybody loses in spite of the opportunity for media to exploit the travails of those under the microscope. Do we relay the reports to pile on or are the motivations of those with a digital mouthpiece designed to educate the home fans what can happen when the reach is too far? The case certainly can be made that informing an audience of consequences might be perceived as a precautionary task. A task born not from some entitled position, but from fear that a small crack in the armor can come a walls-crumbling catastrophe for the home team.

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by TXStampede on May 30, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

With the Pryor investigation news now leaking

Smith, Gee, and Archie are in their final hours. Tressel won’t be the last resignation we see.

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by TXStampede on May 30, 2011 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

The most culpable media entity is ESPN, which devotes enormous resources to lazy, largely uninteresting opinion (Hello, niche for blogs), and most of what little budget does go to investigative reporting gets wasted breaking stories like: “Gambling On Youth Football In South Florida.” What?! You mean to tell me that drug dealers in an economically devastated South Florida city are betting on the happenings in their neighborhood? What’s next?? Rolling dice and betting on the outcome? The horror!

Just Brilliant. Very nicely written.

Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".

by Kestrel76 on May 30, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

And Go Giants!

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on May 30, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

<blockquote

Pryor’s Ohio State Career Said to be Over

The Dispatch has confirmed that Ohio State and the NCAA have launched an entirely new investigation centered around quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

Calling the investigation “significant”, the paper said it was focused on cars and extra benefits Pryor may have received during his time in Columbus.

It doesn’t take a genius to draw the line between George Dohrmann’s upcoming SI piece — thought to be published around 8pm ET tonight — and the Tressel resignation to this latest bit of Memorial Day fun. In all likelihood, Dohrmann’s report shed new light on the entire situation, leading to where we now find ourselves.

And while the latest Dispatch report was short on specifics, Brutus has been right about this every step of the way. Additionally, a second, well-placed source has confirmed the news of Pryor’s playing days being over and said “there could be much more.”

Buckle-up.

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on May 30, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions  

The down side of all this is that now Nebraska is gonna run the Big Ten….those corn people are gonna be unbearable now

formerly "Horns102591"

by horns1025 on May 30, 2011 5:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

let them be happy

they will still get drug in the BCS games

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on May 30, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

leaked cover

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on May 30, 2011 5:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Still a little shocked

It must be really bad if a King like this is leaving his kingdom.

Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!

by TexasGarcia37 on May 30, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

One thing I am tired of hearing

I’ve gotten sick and tired of hearing the cop out that “everybody is doing this” or “this is going on all over the country.” People have been saying this the last couple of days like it is fact set in stone.

Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!

by TexasGarcia37 on May 30, 2011 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

So glad you said that.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on May 30, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA! +1

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on May 30, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree - Much More than a Cover Up

Don’t forget that reruiting class 1 included Maurice Clarett that had the very same issues at Pryor – all neatly swept under the rug. Cmon – 9 traffic tickets from players all with dealer plates and you buy the fact that their real cars are in the shop? This is complete loss of institutional control – much further back than the USC stuff. It is deeper than the cover up, deeper than the incident. It is a career of shadiness.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on May 30, 2011 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't doubt that Tressel is a good man

He is also a serial cheater who left plenty of evidence of this at Youngstown St. as well as Ohio St

Tressel apparently believes in situational ethics.

He and Ohio State are a real life example of the parable of the “Frog and the Scorpion.”

Ohio State knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him.

by srr50 on May 30, 2011 7:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He is the ultimate confidence man that got caught.

An entire administration, alumni, and fanbase got suckered.

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by TXStampede on May 30, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's probably true

At least for purposes of this post, though, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt on that count, if only to establish the position that even if you grant that much, he’s a cheat who deserved what he got.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on May 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of us can say

whether he was a good man. He was a man who did good things. He also made sure everyone knew it. No one in college football, maybe anywhere in American sports, identified himself more with the unassailable pillars of apple-pie America: the Bible and the troops. Which, to pick up on Peter’s post, makes his sins all the more serious, because unlike SEC-style shananigans, Tressel preached that he was above the very sort of behavior that brought him down.

Tressel’s holier-than-thou act WAS the Ohio State program. And I think the schadenfreude we’re seeing across the college football landscape today is so pronounced because that squeaky-clean image helped propogate the Big Lie, that Ohio State was not a dirty program like all those others. Tressel’s image excused the thuggishness of OSU supporters, whitewashed the ethical misdeeds of its boosters and athletes, and made millions for him and the school.

Ohio State will recover on the field. But in the eyes of the nation they will be tainted for years to come. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys…

Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski

by windycityhorn on May 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The "eyes" of the nation?

People who didn’t like OSU will continue to not like them. This latest news won’t change a thing. Think what you want to think. I’m sure you have a strong knowledge of the inner workings and thought process.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So this won't change anyone's opinion of the program?

Sure, there are plenty of people who are college football fans who already have a rooting interest for or against Ohio State. But when a coach steps down in the face of an NCAA investigation into illegal benefits, that has an effect on the perception on the progam.

Personally I never liked Ohio State, though I’ve always respected their history of excellence, die-hard fans, and wonderful traditions. Their brief rivalry with Texas was compelling football, and I hope the teams meet again.

And part of the luster of the Ohio State program was the guy in the sweatervest who looked like a preacher, and carried himself like one as well, who just happened to be a hell of a good football coach and molder of men. I used to think to myself — and I can’t be the only one — ‘Boy I can’t stand Jim Tressel. But give him credit, he runs a clean program.’

Well, you can’t say that any more.

I’m happy to have a Buckeye voice chiming in on this Texas board. I’m truly curious, where is the heart of Buckeye nation today? What I seem to be hearing is, ‘What Tressel did was not that bad, and did not give the team a competitive advantage, but it’s turning into a big deal for the NCAA so Tressel had to go for the good of the school.’ Is that right?

Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski

by windycityhorn on May 31, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

My intentios were good

If you look at my original post, it was never my intention to “troll” on your site. I was just offering a little insight to a knowledgable fan base. During the 2 yr rivalry i was appreciative of how classy you fans were. Believe me we know classless (ann arbor)
 The Buckeye Nation is very sad and disheartened by Coach Tressel’s departure. We are able to see the good he has done, the academic record and the untold charitie’s that he was involved in. (most of which never covered by the media, per design) He is one of us and understood the the fanbase and always was cognitive of the traditions etc. There is alot of anger and hurt feelings here. There is a distiction between a coach and one of us. he hated tscum as much as we did.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

So this won't change anyone's opinion of the program?

Sure, there are plenty of people who are college football fans who already have a rooting interest for or against Ohio State. But when a coach steps down in the face of an NCAA investigation into illegal benefits, that has an effect on the perception on the progam.

Personally I never liked Ohio State, though I’ve always respected their history of excellence, die-hard fans, and wonderful traditions. Their brief rivalry with Texas was compelling football, and I hope the teams meet again.

And part of the luster of the Ohio State program was the guy in the sweatervest who looked like a preacher, and carried himself like one as well, who just happened to be a hell of a good football coach and molder of men. I used to think to myself — and I can’t be the only one — ‘Boy I can’t stand Jim Tressel. But give him credit, he runs a clean program.’

Well, you can’t say that any more.

I’m happy to have a Buckeye voice chiming in on this Texas board. I’m truly curious, where is the heart of Buckeye nation today? What I seem to be hearing is, ‘What Tressel did was not that bad, and did not give the team a competitive advantage, but it’s turning into a big deal for the NCAA so Tressel had to go for the good of the school.’ Is that right?

Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski

by windycityhorn on May 31, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

E. Gordon Gee

I posted months ago when the most arrogant Gee chimed in that Boise State should not
get to play in BCS games because they play “the little sisters of the poor” that he should
be fired on the spot. This was before being Tressel-ized.
Can you imagine Bill Powers making such a statement!
Well Mr. Gee, get that resume out because you will be fired too ( i predict.)
What a disgrace to the tOSU nation. I wonder if he will take off in a helicopter and give
the victory sign ala Richard Nixon.

ut1ou2 for texas-ou weekend

by ut1ou2 on May 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

From the SI article
The latter interpretation is suggested by a story that has long circulated among college coaches and was confirmed to SI by a former colleague of Tressel’s from Earle Bruce’s staff at Ohio State in the mid-1980s. One of Tressel’s duties then was to organize and run the Buckeyes’ summer camp. Most of the young players who attended it would never play college football, but a few were top prospects whom Ohio State was recruiting. At the end of camp, attendees bought tickets to a raffle with prizes such as cleats and a jersey. According to his fellow assistant, Tressel rigged the raffle so that the elite prospects won — a potential violation of NCAA rules. Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, “In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That’s Jim Tressel.”

I’m just tired of hearing “he’s a good guy”. I think I need to go buy some glasses and a sweatervest; there are apparently million of people in Ohio who will believe ANYTHING someone says as long as they look like Mr. Rogers. I could make millions of these suckers.

by Beergut on May 30, 2011 10:17 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

What you don't know

Coach Tressel has done a ton of philanthropic work that has benefited people here in Ohio. He has helped shape many a former player and didn’t forget them once they left. As a Texas fan, you surely remember Tressel and Mack Brown visiting the troops, something they VOLUNTEERED to do. Tressel is guilty of not coming forth about his player’s transgressions, but for a smarmy reporter to question his integrity is apalling. The media takes great pride in tearing people down and it has approached tabloid standards. I appreciated your fine fan base when OSU and your ’Horn’s played as an honorable group and wanted to enlighten you on this. Sorry for trolling. Best of luck and i hope your boy Colt lights it up for my Brown’s!

by biggy84 on May 30, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Tressel is Barry Switzer with more public polish.

Agree completely. Apparently the whole world’s bullshit meter goes on hiatus when Tressel speaks. I never once, this past decade, listened to the man and thought “what a great guy, he must be on the up and up.”

by BrooklynHorn on May 31, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is from the folks who fired a 32-3-1 coach ...

Great new post on Forbes today calling for the hammer to fall on tOSU over lack of institutional control. OSU fans, like biggy, really could care less about Tressel’s “goodness”. Forbes nails what they really care about:

The issue is that NCAA rules were broken and the coach was allowed to stay even though he knowingly covered up these violations. Do you think the fact that he was 106-22 with six consecutive Big 10 titles and a national championship had something to do with that?

Also, biggy, if it was a third string OL who was bagging some bartered tats, do you really think JT would have risked his career over a cover up? Or, as the SI article documents, did he have different rules for TP? Face it – the guy is a serial cheater – first at YSU, then with Maurice Clarrett, and now. This time, he could smell a second MNC with the 2010 team, and he thought he could just drag out the Sgt Schultz routine once again, and ride it to victory in the back of TP. Why did he think that would work? Because he had a president, who like you biggy, can’t see past B10 championships, owning UM, six BCS bowls, and a MNC. I just wish you all would be honest about it.

by nvrfrgt63 on May 31, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Face this

He didn’t get a competitive edge because players sold their own belongings. He did NOT have instances of buying recruits, booster payments and players pillaging the community. They sold their own stuff! Don’t confuse the two. If you do a little research, you will find that in fact a few of the players ARE 3rd string! As to your Clarett comment, he was kicked off the team! Smith was penalized as well. There was no cover up, they were punished. Feel free to judge while you are surely as pure as the driven snow. The truth is that there are many people who delight in seeing people being brought down. Their are people who want to believe that everything is sinister and that everyone is inherently bad. Feel free to direct your cynicism at a coach and a program that you know nothing about. Eat up every snide editorial that you read. The tabloid media is banking on it.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know he didn't get a competitive advantage from allowing players to sell the stuff he gave them?

I don’t see a lot of difference between just giving the players money and giving them valuable things and letting them sell them for money.

That’s not even discussing the fact that the players were being allowed to drive dealership cars that they didn’t own.

by Texas Wahoo on May 31, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another example of believing the media

Did you know that the car deals have been deemed legal? You say it’s a “fact.” Check out the real facts, not the snippets that the media gives to you. The truth is that claims can be made, but the retraction always ends up on the last page.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

just curious, in that picture at the top of this post, which one is you?

by BrooklynHorn on May 31, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh

I’m the one that if you look hard enough, you will see me eating nachos in the stands. I’m the fat guy that is poorly dressed.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here, let me fix that for you.

He didn’t get a competitive edge because players sold their own belongings in violation of NCAA rules.

If there was nothing wrong, then why send the e-mails to Pryor’s “mentor”, vice the school compliance officer? You and I both know the reason, and one of us isn’t blinded by winning. As far as a “competitive edge”? Yea, he had one — it came from having players on the field that he had a stinking suspicion wouldn’t be there if he had done the right thing.

by nvrfrgt63 on May 31, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgot to add this

As far as throwing Clarett under the bus:

A year later, after he left the university, Clarett told ESPN that he wasn’t forthcoming with the NCAA because it would have meant ratting on teammates and coaches. He alleged that Tressel had arranged cars for him to use and that the coach’s older brother Dick, who was then the Buckeyes’ director of football operations (he is now the team’s running backs coach), arranged lucrative no-show jobs for players. (Jim and Dick Tressel have denied the allegations.) Clarett added that coaches connected him with boosters who gave him thousands of dollars.

The issue isn’t Clarett’s misdeeds, it is the institution’s involvement — at all phases. Clarett says Tressel personally had a role in benefits that were never disclosed — something never examined. And the lack of scrutiny and vigor in the institution’s investigation just emboldened Tressel.

And, OBTW he wasn’t “kicked off the team!” He was suspended for a year. Big difference.

by nvrfrgt63 on May 31, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you know?

Clarett made those statements while diillusioned and under the influence of addiction. Did you read what he says now? Did you know that to this day he considers Tressel as his father figure? Did you know that in spite of the troubles Clarett caused that Tressel NEVER turned his back on him and remained as a friend? It is easy to hang on to snippets without due process. BTW, did you see who the “credible” source of these allegations is? Did you read in the article where the sole source is a very shady character and that his co-workers say he is lying? represent the facts not speculation.The original allegations were investigated btw.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Straight from the horse's mouth

Read it for yourself. Doesn’t sound drug addled to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1919246

How many stories, from how many different reporters will it take for you guys to open your eyes? To stop the apologies? To stop blaming the messenger? The consensus of opinion here was that the day it became apparent that Mack Brown had lied to his boss and NCAA, he would have been gone. No question. The apologies and blame shifting do more to harm your proud heritage than any act of Tressel, Prior, Clarett, you name it. The recovery won’t start until you can accept what happened – starting with your president.

by nvrfrgt63 on May 31, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad you are an expert

You can tell he’s not under the influence? Go to espn and watch the 30:30 of him and then try again. You also don’t have any idea what the university would do if something happened there. A national championship buys alot of equity and a mistake doesn’t damn a man eternally. btw while you’re at it, check out the latest S.I. story and the credibility.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ask Cliff Gustafson about ..

What multiple national championships bought him. Hint of scandal and Deloss sent him packing. That’s how universities with integrity act. Ones that don’t have it sport apologists at the top that think the HC has hire/ fire authority over them.

by nvrfrgt63 on May 31, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad you are the authority

You should know! Remember Fred Akers? Remember that your beloved has been on probation 3 times? Sure you would know!

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw

Take down your Jackie Sherril poster

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeh and Pablo Escobar used to hand out free food

Than cut the heads off entire families and leave em in the street. Nice deeds don’t excuse dirty deeds.

by dukeoforange on May 31, 2011 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Stupid comparison

A murdering drug dealer compared to a coach who didn’t tell about kids selling their own stuff? Really? BTW your beloved Mack Brown and Coach Tressel are close friends. I guess he doesn’t know what you know. You of the moral compass.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I took it to an extreme to make the point obvious

That point being you cannot justify bad behavior with good behavior. I am sure you didn’t miss that. AND, misleading kids like this, and you are surely naive if think that 28 kids all getting this deal wasn’t institutional, is exceptionally disgusting.

Finally, it does make me nervous about Texas. If t OSU does this than where does it end. I want to believe Texas is clean but this crap is so rampant a very small part of me isn’t so sure.

by dukeoforange on May 31, 2011 4:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The truth is yet to come out. The alleged 28 players comes from a person of very shady character. This person’s co-workers have denied his allegations. S.I. spent 6 weeks with the sole purpose of finding SOMETHING and this is what they came up with. I sincerely hope that no other school or their fanbase (except ann arbor) ever is subjected to this intense scrutiny and flying accusations. I get no pleasure out of seeing other’s fall.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

nor do i enjoy seeing the fall

granted it is all alleged at this point, but we KNOW enough already to have solid suspicion of institutional fail.

by dukeoforange on May 31, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can tell you this, that Mack Brown came out today in support of Coach Tressel. There are a lot of coaches that won’t criticize another because they understand. Imagine you are a coach of a major program: you work 100+ hours a week during the season, you are on the road recruiting countless hours, you have to attend alumni functions etc. Then, you have 125 players (not counting support staff) in a town that is huge and you have to monitor each one of them, and if one little thing happens it’s your ass. What coach can keep up with this? The ncaa and their archaic rules put any coach in a position to fail. My contention for YEARS has been that their needs to be overhaul of the “amateur” system. This can and will happen somewhere else. It will be wrong then, and it’s wrong now.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a stretch...

Saying that someone will be a HOF coach someday doesn’t exactly qualify as “support”. And it will be on his W-L record, not the “humanitarian” gorilla dust apologists are tossing in the air. Barry Switzer is a HOF coach, and a serial cheater. Great company for your beloved Coach Sweatervest.

by nvrfrgt63 on May 31, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brilliant!

Go ahead and compare the two coaches. I will not even answer something so stupid. Think what you want to think. You know it all.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was a bit too far of a comparison.

Tressell couldn’t hold Switzer’s jock in the area of cheating.

by robthecob on Jun 1, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

it isn’t fair to compare the two

Switzer didn’t lie about what went on while he was at OU, and he won a helluva lot more than Tressel.

by Beergut on Jun 4, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mack Brown supports him because a good man does gives that too his friends without judgement

it does NOT mean Mack endorses what has happened by any stretch. I completely agree that the NCAA needs to be revamped from the rulebook to the very org. structure itself. However, until the rules are changed, God willing they will be, this is what the schools work by whether they like it or not.

I understand why a lot of tOSU peeps are angry at this event. The players didnt take steroids so there is no obvious (key word) performance enhancement but make no mistake, there was an advantage for those players when compared to those who were not getting benefits (another key word).

by dukeoforange on Jun 1, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very accurate and insightful. I agree with you. The biggest problem i have is the attacks by the media on his character. He definitely was guilty of lying. Sorry for my immature response to a post by someone else. It was never my intention to troll.

by biggy84 on Jun 1, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

No worries

Your emotional response shows how personal this is for you and others of your school. I do not blame you at all. I assure you, if Mack was nailed for cheating it would break my heart. But as much as I love him and what he has done, I would most definitely be calling for his job if he ever cheated.

This whole issue really gets me. I LOVE college football, especially now that pro ball has gone to crap with the lockout. It most definitely NOT good for college fball to have USC and tOSU hammered like this but sometimes it is worth the deep cut to remove the cancer.

by dukeoforange on Jun 1, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

This pertains to our 2005 MNC

I found this way down in the SI piece on Tressel and Ohio State. (Chris Gamble is a former Buckeye player who is now in the NFL):

"Ohio State’s investigation of (Chris) Gamble’s relationship with (Robert Q.) Baker (a Buckeyes booster) found no wrongdoing; school officials accepted Gamble’s explanation that his job included tasks other than signing autographs. Still, (Jim) Tressel could have forbidden his players to interact with a die-hard booster such as Baker. Instead, about a year after Gamble’s relationship with Baker was brought to Tressel’s attention, (former quarterback Troy) Smith went to Poly-Care looking for a job and left with $500. After a tip, the university investigated and suspended Smith for the 2004 Alamo Bowl; the NCAA later banned him for a second game."

This second game was the opener of the 2005 season. It meant Smith was making his season debut in the second game (and thus played sparingly, and not well) – in Texas’ 25-22 win that was the major hurdle to our going unbeaten in a season that ended with the 41-38 win over USC in the Rose Bowl.

by edsp on May 30, 2011 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Tressel stepping down on Memorial Day

Could not be a coincidence. This is, after all, a man who this year marched his team onto the field while wearing fatigues. Though he never served in the military, he’s always aligned himself and the program with the military.

I know the timing of this was in part driven by the SI article, but I think Tressel views himself as a good solider, taking one last bullet for Ohio State.

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by windycityhorn on May 31, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

It was the Sugar Bowl, not Fiesta

That he didn’t suspend the players for. Word has it that major sponsors were going to pull out of the Sugar Bowl if the OSU stars didn’t play — and that’s why they weren’t suspended for the bowl game. Subsequently, OSU defeated Arkansas in the Sugar and got its first defeat over an SEC in its last 10 tries. OSU’s would-have-been suspended players came up huge in that game, too.

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by FreedomDip on May 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I think when the dust settles

and what “truth” can be discovered is made public, SweaterVest and his former employer(s) are not going to be smelling like roses and looking like innocent victims. I’m hopeful this is a wake up call for all of the programs out there to make sure their own houses are clean. It could get very ugly, very fast.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on May 31, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Tip of the iceberg

Not only the beginning of the troubles at OSU, but a trend we see going on everywhere.

USC has sanctions. NCAA always sniffing around the SEC. Look at the Miss ST-Cam Newton thing. The ‘recruiting’ director who swayed the RB to Oregon from a TX high school

Kids look at offers and poor kids want/need money. It’s an object to them. Kids want to go where the money is or could be. I love college football as much as anyone. I certainly hope we don’t see every major program walking down crooked paths as more and more former players start singing like birds.

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by FreedomDip on May 31, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Dead on, srr50.

That ship sailed a long time ago. The die was cast before Tres stepped one foot across the Olentangy. OSU dupes are unable to admit they were duped.

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by TXStampede on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very dramatic

Wow! Taking this way too seriously! Are you really Oliver Stone? BTW I read somewhere that Coach Tressel was on the graasy knoll……shhhhh

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the future

when you find yourself [yet again] tirelessly defending your institution and entire fanbase to a group of demonstrably more rational people (and something tells me you’ll find yourself in that particular situation with a fair degree of regularity), try to remember that you people earned your reputation… thoroughly and consistently.

by BrooklynHorn on Jun 1, 2011 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough. Have a great season.

by biggy84 on Jun 1, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

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