The Longhorn TV Network: What Kind Of Commentary Do We Want?
There were a number of interesting reactions to Wednesday's news that Texas retains the right to remove ESPN broadcasters for the forthcoming Longhorn Network. In writing about the provision, I emphasized the limitations of the provision while characterizing as prudent the University's insistence in the matter, given that the interests of ESPN and UT will not always overlap.
I found interesting and worthy of follow up two other reactions to the news. The first is the potential for the Longhorn Network to be overwhelmingly -- perhaps exclusively -- UT positive. As usual, over at Barking Carnival Scipio Tex has poignantly expressed the issue:
During football and basketball season, much of the Longhorn Network's programming and potential appeal will be pre and post game analysis/highlights/player interviews/press conferences rather than actual game broadcasts. There's an opportunity for content and substance well beyond an organized stadium cheer.
Is it good for Texas to control our on-air product? Certainly. I'd like much of our programming to be an extended infomercial.
But does potentially shielding us from objective or even critical commentary serve our long terms interests best when things are rotten in Denmark?
I touched only briefly on this issue in my post, but it's absolutely worth a full discussion. Even if it is the case that Texas would not, and is not authorized to, remove ESPN broadcasters who offer fairly held criticism, that does not at all mean that those who are hired to deliver content on the Longhorn Network will actually offer fairly held criticisms. After all, the contract provision will be irrelevant to the extent that the broadcasters do nothing but shower the University and its athletics program with heaps of praise.
Scipio is right: To a degree (maybe even a large degree), as burnt orange partisans we should embrace the propaganda, if not for its broadcast quality, its utility in further bolstering our self-interests. The most obvious benefit, of course, is recruiting, when round-the-clock illumination of UT's awesomeness incentivizes a recruit to want to step into the spotlight.
The question then arises whether there are compelling reasons to wish the Longhorn Network to serve other purposes. Perhaps not, insofar as it is possible to argue credibly that -- all things considered -- a school-centric network such as the Longhorn Network is, realistically, ill-suited to serve the other types of interests with potential value.
But let's at least consider the two most compelling competing values, which are distinct but related. First, we might wish that some portion of the broadcasters on the network be either neutral with respect to UT athletics, or neutral in the sense that they are equally willing to discuss the good and the bad, as events dictate. This, as opposed to broadcasters with an unfailing pro-UT bias, like Bill Little when writing about the 'Horns or Sean Elliott when calling a telecast for the Spurs. On this count, I desperately hope that the Longhorn Network achieves at least a minimal level of balance. Even to the extent that all of the broadcasters were to be "homers" in the sense of their rooting interest, I pray that we're lucky enough to get homers who aren't shy to talk about what's going wrong, even as they're rooting for things to go right. For the Giants fans in the audience, think Kuiper and Kruk.
Better still would be to populate the broadcast booth with a mixture of healthy homers and thoughtful, measured objectivists. Lord knows I don't want some Aggie with Daddy issues spitting venom about the Longhorns, but as a matter of course, I prefer a broadcast in which there's someone offering thoughtful commentary that is detached from an agenda. And above all else, someone who will talk about what's actually happening on the field/court/etc. Bob Knight is not a particularly skilled broadcaster, nor an imperfect one with respect to getting everything right, but at least he talks about the basketball game being played. Most clowns in the broadcast booth, for football and basketball alike, spend an overwhelming amount of time talking about everything but what's going on in the game. Whether there should be a playoff, which cookies Sally Brown cooked this week, how firm Manny Diaz's handshake is. It drives me crazy.
Second, and not unrelated, is whether it would also be in our self-interest for the Longhorn Network to purposefully commit resources to the serious, in-depth evaluation of our weaknesses. To the extent we mean by that the hiring of broadcasters who have the capacity to offer objective criticism, my answer is encapsulated above: absolutely.
More difficult is the question of whether commentators of the Longhorn Network should provide the kind of biting self-assessment that one is prone to find in, say, one of Scipio Tex's post-mortems. In theory, I think that it could be good if it did. In practice, I'd ask whether it's realistic to believe that it even could. And in support of that skepticism I would simply point to the coverage we get from the purportedly detached entities that already exist. Almost without exception, ESPN broadcasters are tepid -- to put it mildly -- in their willingness to offer serious criticism of likable established powers. Every critique is watered down and saddled with qualifiers. "They're struggling right now, but you can see in his eyes that he'll get things turned around."
In other words, thoughtful, high-quality criticism is already a rare commodity. It's hard to imagine that the Longhorn Network is going to break any ground in that regard. All of which means that I'll be fine when we don't. We won't, and probably can't, and for what it is I'll be much, much more interested to see if they successfully give us something in between. A Longhorn Network populated by banal, cheerleading yes-men will make the Longhorn Network something that I endure, my appreciation limited to what it accomplishes in providing revenue and useful propaganda.
And if it is too much to hope that the Longhorn Network provides something revolutionary, within the system we have there is room for compelling commentary, be it from a detached objective source or an unabashed homer who can call it like it is, good or bad. That can make all the difference in the world.
Post-script: I also wanted to get to the comments related to whether the Longhorn Network has the same responsibilities as an independent media entity. This post is plenty long as is. Next time.
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Thanks for the post
A few things I want to discuss, which will probably make their way on here disjointedly make their way on here over the course of the day, depending upon the whims of my one-year-old.
The first is the issue of how much the in-game broadcasters. For me, the more important issue with team-specific announcers is the extent to which they describe what they see on the field accurately. It’s ok for a Craig Way to be a “homer” in the sense that he’ll sound more excited about a Longhorn touchdown than a Sooner. Outside of Vin Scully, I think that’s reasonable from any team’s announcers. What’s not ok is not fairly describing what you see. If you believe that Player X roughed the quarterback, you’re going to say so regardless of whether the player is wearing burnt orange or crimson. I think most modern announcers do this, but exceptions exist, to the detriment of their viewing contingent. (I think the contingent of Nats fans on this blog will recognize that Rob Dibble was particularly prone to this.)
But will a “Craig Way” model of proper pro-Longhorn enthusiasm be proper on a network which will presumably have national distribution (I’ll be shocked if DirecTV doesn’t pick LSN up), even if a disproportionate percentage of the audience is in the Lone Star State? I think not. I think a more proper model is what NBC does with its Notre Dame broadcasts. Yes, the broadcast productions as a whole slant towards ND in terms of features, etc., but the announcers themselves tend to call games straight up without getting more enthusiastic about the occasional Irish success. I could live with similar treatment of the Horns by LSN and ESPN.
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by Hopkins Horn on May 5, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Really?
I haven’t watched a Notre Dame NBC game in a while, but I always thought the announcers were Notre Dame homers.
I've thought they call games relatively straight up
Greater familiarity with Irish players probably leads to more Irish-centric discussions, but I haven’t sensed that much more enthusiasm for pro-Irish plays. Remember that, with the odd recent example of “neutral-site” games, all of the games are called at Notre Dame Stadium, and if announcers sometimes instinctively feed off the crowd in describing a play (which makes sense for the announcers to mirror, to a certain extent, what is happening around them), they might sound a bit more pro-Irish than a dispassionate reading of the transcripts might show. At least that’s my impression…
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by Hopkins Horn on May 5, 2011 9:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would not have a problem either way
If Craig Way (just for example) was our TV guy, I would be fine. He is a homer emotionally, but not factually. Like Peter pointed out, if it was a roughing call, he would say so – at least from my limited experience of listening to him. He would not argue a call or slant a view incorrectly just because of jersey color, even though it was clear which team he was rooting for emotionally.
I would not, however, mind a more neutral approach to the in-game guy(s) either. I personally might not enjoy the game as much, but I recognize that others might feel differently. So, for the greater good and all…..
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
from a biased Spurs fan
I’ve always thought that’s what Elliot is – a homer emotionally, but he gives honest commentary on the game…
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi
Agreed
The Irish/NBC model was what I was hoping for, as well. I share your impression that if you were to tune in to some random 15 minute portion of a broadcast on NBC, you probably wouldn’t even know this was an “Irish Broadcast,” so to speak, but if you watched the game in its entirety, you would probably pick up on the fact that the announcers have a greater familiarity with the Irish players, schemes, and traditions, particularly in the post-game commentary in which they often show the alma-mater being played. In my eyes, that would be the ideal situation. In fact, the “Sean Elliott model” would probably annoy me.
On a side note, I do like the idea of the LSN broadcast giving more depth to the in-stadium environment. ESPN and ABC almost never show the singing of the Eyes of Texas, the entrance of the band onto the field, the half-time show, the players marching from the locker room toward the tunnel, etc. It’d be great if the atmosphere of DKR were more thoroughly simulated for those of us who can’t make it to the games regularly.
by BrooklynHorn on May 5, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Pat Haden was a USC grad, and Mike Mayock, his replacement, went to Boston College. It’s really pretty balanced coverage, to the chagrin of some hardcore Irish fans.
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My point is that they went to Notre Dame rivals.
Which is why I singled out those two announcers in particular.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
How does the Big Ten handle this issue?
They don’t even have to meet any standard to fire the on-air talent, because they own the majority of the network.
This is a good question
There is a significant difference between a network devoted to a team, and one devoted to a conference, but some problems would be present in both situations.
One way around it, in the conference situation, is that you do not necessarily have to be vocally critical of one program, you could simply be vocally complimentary to another program. You have the ability to point out flaws at Ohio State, by the absence of complimentary comments given to other schools.
This would not be true at LSN. If, for instance, Mad Dog were still in charge of the Strength program and it went the same way it went last summer (with the obvious lack of accountabilty and intensity that was reported by the players) the networks only choices would be a) report on the situation accurately, b) report on the situation innacurately (Spin) or c) ignore it.
In the Big 10, they could (for example) report on the “Top 3 Strength programs” and do reports on them, and simply by a schools absence on that list, they are presented with a negative, without the network or reporters on that network ever saying anything negative. **Not saying they do this, but this is an example of how they could get around the problem at hand without ever dealing with it. The point is simply that this type of work-around would be much more difficult at LSN.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
I'm not sure I buy the whole - by praising some, you are implicitly criticizing others.
Wouldn’t the Longhorn Network be able to do the same thing on a smaller scale? By praising the defense, aren’t you implicitly criticising the defense?
Not really
Only in the Spring Game.
My point was simply that a reporter for a conference network does not have the requirement to be negative about negative aspects of certain programs. They can simply report on the others. That would not be an option for LSN.
And I did not say they were implicitly criticizing, merely that by being left off of the reporting of some positive aspects of other teams around the conference, there would be a sense of negativity about their team.
If a report came out like the Stength Program report in my example, every team not on that list would be asking Why not us? What is wrong with ours? and so would their fans. A negative was created, without a negative being reported. That would not be possible at LSN. It would require either omission, or spin.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Big fan of Kirk Herbstreit
I like the way when Ohio St. comes up he is “fair and balanced.” He loves the school but he isn’t blind to its faults. I’d like for them to find a UT equivalent to anchor the network.
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Peter: Thoughtful post
Honestly, I’ve never been in any way turned on by the concept of a Longhorn Network, other than the income it could generate. (Seems like somebody once made “Greed is good”practically part of the Bill of Rights.) My fear has been such the network would be exactly what some of us fear — a 24-7 infomercial. That has no appeal for me.
I enjoy Longhorn sports as entertainment. I absolutely hate homers.Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve assumed the Longhorn Net would be mostly homer presentation. Homer announcers is the major reason I rarely watch Brewers or Diamondbacks or Marlins telecasts on the MLB Package. I’ve got 12-14 games to choose from, and I’ll take the professional, unbalanced presentation every timje.
I’m already uncomfortable about the advantage the network will give us, and the expectations it will produce. If it also offers one-sided analysis on the games — and does the Bill Little all’s right with us message — I for sure won’t be a subscriber.
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by UTLawGrad on May 5, 2011 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
As I posted on the earlier article
how about Rick O’Donnell??? And I’m thinking he is available. Unbiased analysis.
Seriously, with $300M in our pocket we should be able to do better than Craig Way. Ron Franklin has the skills but no way he passes the PC test. Scour the countryside for someone with no ties to Texas.
I think
a situation like the end of last season would have been telling and answered a number of these questions had the network been up and running. Hopefully they won’ t be answered for a long time now.
Love the autonomy, hate the bias
Though the idea of having our own channel was intriguing to me at first, I think I’m more of a fan of having one channel for the entire conference similar to the Big 10.
I see H-BevO turning into a cross between a UT-only version of ESPN Classic and the Longhorns non-revenue sports channel.
If you’re hoping for a Longhorns version of a fluff-filled Sports Center, it’s been done. Fox Sports Southwest has had a 30 minute Longhorns recap show for the past few years that even featured players from the team and it was so popular that it aired at like 11am on Tuesdays.
Call me a cynic, but I just don’t think a 24/7 TV version of texassports.com is going to garner the ratings it needs to be profitable…then again, I’ve no doubt Fireside Chats With Bill Little will push Idol in the Nielsons.
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I agree here
I just don’t know that there is enoughto talk about to fill the time. Pre and Post game will be great during the season. Immediate highlights and commentary, especially after a game would be great. Usually we have to run to our computers and discuss that stuff here, just to find anyone talking about the game!
But after that, I don’t know that it will be all that amazing. Except for the small sects of non-revenue sports people. I am a swim coach, and I know many poeple that would love to see the Texas State HS swim meet on TV, or to watch the Big 12 Championships (don’t know if that would be possible).
Events like the Texas Relays, or UT Invitational, or even the American Short Course Championships all held at Jamail would be awesome….. but only to us swimming people!
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
I don't see this as much of a problem
I think at max you are looking at two football games televised and they will be against not so great competition. I will be able to handle whoever is in the booth when we are playing Rice. Same goes for men’s basketball, the LSN won’t be televising the Kansas game or a non-conference game versus UCONN, as those will be nationally televised games. As for the other sports, I won’t really care if the broadcast teams are a bunch of homers, I’ll just be thrilled that I can watch the game on TV and not streaming it over the net.
That’s why even comparing the situation to NBC’s deal with Notre Dame is wrong, because those broadcast teams call almost every game, except one or two each year. It’s much more important for NBC to have a fair and balanced approach, as the entire country has to watch Notre Dame and Michigan on NBC. I don’t think the entire country will be tuning in to watch Texas play a glorified scrimmage game early in the year.
I agree
I think there will be a maturing process for the Longhorn Network that we will have to endure while it develops into the ideal product. The majority of the content this first year will probably be the things that you currently cannot get on tv today (all of the things streaming on texassports.tv) and re-airing of classic games and items that were on other networks. Like Hookem4life84 I will be thrilled just to get digital (if not HD) quality images rather than the grainy streaming that we get today.
If 2 – 3 years from now that’s all we have to show for this network I will see it all as a disappointment. But I cannot see two powerful entities such as ESPN and UT letting that happen.
I think
the original post was not limiting the question to live game braodcasters, but was asking the broader question “with UT possessing so much control over who says what in all programming, will we (as fans) ever get honest criticism of any aspect of our programs on this network?”
I think, and I don’t want to speak for him, but I think he meant in addition to “who would the best in game broadcasters be?” he was asking in pre-game, post game, “sports center” type commentary shows, etc….. “would it all be fluff and spin? Or would we get the tough questions and ugly truth when called for?”
I think this is both valid and interesting.
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I see
For whatever it’s worth, I wasn’t trying to belittle the post or it make it seem like it’s not worth discussing.
To answer the question, I think there just needs to be balance in both the live game broadcasts and on the shows. I don’t doubt there will be someone connected with Texas that is a part of the live game broadcast and on set during the shows. For example, I can see someone like a Rod Babers being a part of one of the shows, and I’m fine with that (if he’s good), but there just needs to be someone else who can provide an outside perspective. If you hire an obvious homer for the people like to have their ears tickled with fluff, then you need match them up with an outsider who is opinionated and insightful.
by Hookem4life84 on May 5, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think you were
Sorry if I came off like that. I was just saying I thought it was interesting. No worries.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
I only want brent musburger and Kirk Herbstreit for football.
and Brent Musburger and Bob knight for basketball, If that’s would ever be possible..
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Any input from other school's fans on UT commentating?
There are some schools that I cannot stand listening to their commentators due to the poor discussion provided or the over-the-top homerism. I will not name names so as to avoid turning this into a bashing session. But there are others that I do not mind and think they do a good job covering the game.
I would be interested to hear what fans of other schools have to say about Craig Way and our broadcasts. If your team were playing UT and it were only available on Longhorn Network, would you be willing to listen to Craig Way to watch your team play on tv?
Actually, let's do name names...
…not to turn this into a bash session, but I’d be curious to hear which announcers for other schools we consider to be good regardless of whether they might be showing more enthusiasm for our rivals than we would ourselves.
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by Hopkins Horn on May 5, 2011 12:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thumbs up for Baylor
I have listened to a good number of Texas/Baylor baseball games and do not mind having to tune into them. They provide good insight on their players and do a great job describing the play on the field. I have not listened to any football or basketball broadcasts to know if it is the same set of commentators for their other sports, but I wouldn’t hesitate to tune into a BU network if that’s all that was available.
In my experience the Baylor basketball broadcasts have been pretty good
I’m not as familiar with the football ones.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Off subject, but is that Tina Fey in your profile pic?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Tina Fey as Liz Lemon, yes
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"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Damn, reply button doesn't work.
That was for Tina Fey.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I think the original post was not limiting the question to live game braodcasters, but was asking the broader question "with UT possessing so much control over who says what in all programming, will we (as fans) ever get honest criticism of any aspect of our programs on this network?"
Anyone who has heard Craig Way on his daily radio show already knows the answer to this.
Pretty sure
UT cannot fire Craig Way from his daily radio show?
But I get what you mean.
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