Mrs. McCoy talks about boosters and agents
Here's the audio link. The most damaging comment is one about Colt's teammates not having the self control to refuse improper benefits. More thoughts later, but for now use this as your Rachel McCoy thread. -- GoBR--
Rachel McCoy talking to Colin Cowherd about boosters
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Not sure how to feel about this
especially since she called in voluntarily
It Ain't Easy, But It's Worth It.
by DONSLIQ on Jun 7, 2011 5:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I haven't quite separated out all the things I'm feeling
But I can tell you none of ’em are good.
by CVictoryJoyously on Jun 7, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
is it that sick to your stomach feeling you get when something bad is about to happen?
formerly "Horns102591"
Clearly she wants to hurt Texas so Baylor can get some recruits.
Also, how pissed does Colt get over this?
I'd get the divorce papers ready..
Should of married a longhorn woman. Kicking himself now I bet.
by cj43 on Jun 7, 2011 7:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i always assumed she went to Texas
this is clearly an inside job by Baylor in that case
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Not Baylor, just a young girl getting in over her head
not that she doesn’t know sports, she just doesn’t seem to know how to not stick her foot in her mouth, expecting an apology or something like one from her tomorrow after this gets around on the internet in the morning.
Very nice
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't hear the interview, but I'm not reading her to be saying nearly as much as people are suggesting.
“Colt did not himself have as much interaction [with agents], I don’t think. I know he was approached quite a bit, but you know how Colt is, he can just kind of brush it off and just kind of move on and not go down that road, but I saw so many of his teammates who just, they maybe didn’t have some of that self-control just to be able to say no to somebody. I can’t. That’s not my personality, I don’t want to hurt people’s feelings.”
That part doesn’t say anything about improper benefits, only interacting with agents. Colt would just brush them off, while others had less self control and talked to them. That may be a violation (talking to an agent), but it doesn’t seem nearly as bad as improper benefits.
Perhaps people aren’t quoting the damaging stuff about improper benefits?
Will Give Her a Pass - Always had an itch for her
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She starts out by saying...
Texas is very strict on NCAA rules and the most people want to do is buy you dinner because Texas folks are just so friendly but it is a violation and the staff tells the players so.
However, I think she is assuming a lot here and could be read as damning evidence, but she is generally talking about boosters. Although she says a lot of crap about agents approaching Colt and players but she is assuming all of this, there is no fact to her statements.
Colt, why is she saying anything at all – that’s what I don’t get. Although she is hot and married to Colt – if this opens an investigation into Texas athletics there will be hell to pay and I for one will not let hearsay and conjecture bring down our athletic department.
Not too happy at the moment. Shame shame on you Rachael.
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If so, hell hath no fury…
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by DONSLIQ on Jun 7, 2011 7:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i feel like...
This has to be a joke, like from Howard stern. Why did she voluntarily call in?
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by maverick76904 on Jun 7, 2011 6:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
i couldnt believe my ears i had to do a double take and make sure it wasnt a prank before i believed it. what the hell is Colt gonna do when he hears this?
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Hopefully he doesn't channel his inner wayne brady?
‘Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a…’
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by DONSLIQ on Jun 7, 2011 7:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
She called in because she agreed with Cowherd
that the boosters/agents need to be dealt with more harshly for making the offers.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jun 7, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree. She's got nothin' to be ashamed of. Knowing them both, I'm sure he's proud as heck.
As a former college athlete herself and from dating a college star / icon, she knows a heckuva lot more about this than the average fan. The only problem is that, no matter how she said it (her own pesonal observations & honesty) her words were gonna get twisted by the media & common critics into something supposedly “damning” to the program. Criticism is unavoidable, if you speak the truth. However, in my view, nothing she said would even remotely peak the interest of investigators. They know that agents sleaze around every program and tempt student athletes and nothing in her statements made it sound like UT has an atypical problem. These are common things that Mack & the program guys are going to have to continue to fight against until there are real enforcement penalties levied against these vultures.
I know from experience, I guarantee you that Colt is thrilled he’s got a beauty that’ll speak the truth, however …. “Now, honey, you know I love you … but please don’t call any more radio shows for awhile, okay?”
In the spirit of this thread...
nothing she said would even remotely peak the interest of investigators
peak—→pique :-)
PS Don’t you love how the smiley face makes everything okay. It’s sort of like when someone cuts you off on the freeway and then waves at you.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Okay, I suck at the block quotes. Let me try that again
nothing she said would even remotely peak the interest of investigators
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I did it!
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Sort of like how Luke in Modern Family is endearing?
Or Lenny from Of Mice and Men?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I'm so proud of you!
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
i know she means well and isnt trying to get Texas in trouble but....
saying this kind of thing right now of all times can make people see something even if there is nothing. they can look at what she says here and even if it doesnt say a damn thing their are people in the NCAA who will see this as a chance to jump on Texas and investigate Texas that kind of thing can make recruits change their minds even if they investigate and find nothing. and losing recruits can equal the beginning of the end for a program or the beginning of a LONG dark time in the program’s history.
look out folks this could be the beginning of a witch hunt that may hurt this program for years…..
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I hope
your wrong, even if your statement does make sense.
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by DONSLIQ on Jun 7, 2011 7:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
She just "spiced up" the story
Well, maybe not, but I hope that’s the case.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
her main problem was...
talking too broadly about people giving cars to athletes and then switching over and talking about Texas, which made is sound really bad but when you break it down only one comment is “damning” but in context even that is just a bad sound bite that implies more than she meant it to.
Wasn't she a reporter?
Shouldn’t she know how to handle an interview?
Sounds like a 24 year old girl got in over her head and mixed her words.
This could be bad and whether or not true it will be all some need to begin a witch hunt.
If true, I might vomit.
No big deal
Nothing she said should shock anyone. It goes on at every school and really just shows how whimsical and arbitrary the NCAA enforcement process is.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
Longhorn Network
I think its a PR move for the new network. Overall, she really didn’t say anything news worthy.
I take the other side from most of the preceding
The interview I heard (4-plus minutes; is that the extend of it?) contained nothing even remotely damning.
She’d like to see the adults who bust NCAA rules busted; so would we all. She indicated — no names, no details — that some of Colt’s teammates might not have been as firm as he was at turning down illicit offers. That’s about it. She’s saying college kids should not be the only ones blamed. Can’t argue with that.
Why did she call in?
Did she think she had something to add to an ongoing discussion? Was she bored? There are some conversations that just shouldn’t happen.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
Not worried about her hands unless she's started "signing".
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
I wouldn't dare to say where a particular woman should have her hands...
…but I’m sure Colt has some ideas.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. Why call in at all? When you date or marry a player, you know what you say can be a reflection on the player. This is just common sense.
If she was calling in to the show as a former Baylor athlete and talking about her personal experience as a college athlete, that would be different. She has authority to speak on that issue.
The only reason her call was put through…She is Mrs. Colt McCoy. Maybe she is living vicariously through his career?
Get a job. Do some volunteer work for nonprofit organizations that are badly hurting right now because of the economy. Obviously she has the time on her hands.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Sherrod Harris on Twitter
Interesting that he was asking for a link to the Rachel audio and followed with this tweet “I have a random question about the extra benefit rule in terms of NCAA stipulations? Anyone know the rules closely?”
oh lord almighty.....
tell me he aint sore about the not getting to play thing
formerly "Horns102591"
http://twitter.com/#!/sherrodharris check out the dialogue with Brad Calhoun. At least he is saying he never saw anything.
thats good
i see he said Texas may have the best compliance department Thank You Sherrod
formerly "Horns102591"
indeed
I am really hoping this was some sort of prank…odd that there has been very little follow up…no Tweets from Colin Cowherd either afterwards.
story is already making the rounds on the other blogs.
Just great. Do we even have any idea if it was actually her?
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
I do NOT visit that site. *shudder*
Kentucky already has the story up and running. Not sure who else?
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
i avoid it as much as possible but it is fun to see them try to call Texas "little brother" always makes me chuckle
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Just checked and ESPN has it as well. With comments.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
i found only a mention of it on the SBnation page
where they say she implies players were given improper benefits
formerly "Horns102591"
Tweet
I did see her Tweet to Colin Cowherd – "Great point @ESPN_Colin to hold "grown ADULT boosters accountable in all this NCAA violation stuff. “Quit being leeches” AGREED!!"
So that might eliminate the hope of it being a prank.
It's pretty big news around the blogosphere.
Deadspin, The Big Lead, and Sports by Brooks also posted blogs about it, as did ESPN in several capacities.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jun 7, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I read the headline and thought we were doomed
She didn’t really say anything bad. In fact, she said that Texas is very strict and the kids are constantly told not to accept anything.
She also had a good point that it isn’t fair to kids that are raised to be respectful to then expect them to suddenly know how to brush off the scum in the business. She made some good points and I don’t feel that she implicated Texas in anything inappropriate.
We're Texas.
I agree
I think she meant no harm and what she was TRYING to say was harmless. Unfortunately, when speaking on this issue it is difficult to do anything BUT harm.
Which brings us back to …. What the heck are you doing calling in to a radio show in the first place?
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Hi Honey, what's for dinner?
Oh, and btw, would you mind not calling into talk shows to discuss NCAA violations…
seriously, what a slow news day.
All the headlines are very misleading and suggest a bombshell, when all that she did was point out the obvious and say that Texas teaches the kids to stay away and accept nothing. That should be the story headline.
We're Texas.
Thank you for using punctuation and capital letters.
The writing around here seems to be devolving day by day. As a UT alum and journalism major, it makes me sick to see an otherwise insightful post thrown up with what looks to be 4th-grade attention to detail.
I hate to be “that guy,” but come on…even beergut has discovered the Shift key.
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by adt2 on Jun 7, 2011 11:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No harm no foul IMO
She didn’t say anything inflammatory and didn’t mention anything that would be a violation. She did not mention anyone by name. This is a non-story.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
i think more and more i feel the same way now that ive gone from "panic mode" to "chill out mode"
i still dont get why the hell she even called in
formerly "Horns102591"
I agree with you there
frankly, she doesn’t have a right to speak to the situation at Texas because she was not there. Yes, she dated and married Colt. However, being a secondary source does not make whatever she has to say very reliable when it comes to specific situations on the 40 acres. What she had to say about old boosters leaching on athletes and such that is perfectly fine. Everyone can generalize about that. She should have just never mentioned anything about Texas athletes because she lacks the proper knowledge and perspective and it will be easily blown out of proportion by those who wish to do so.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
The same could be said of young beautiful blondes
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
by OnMySignal on Jun 7, 2011 10:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well, technically the 1st amendment gives her the right, but I know what you mean. :)
I agree, though, the problem with what she said is giving fodder to all the jealous Texas haters who will have a field day with this. It isn’t enough to give probable cause to the NCAA.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 7:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you lost me at Bleacher..
…word to the wise, don’t read that site.
by vy til i die on Jun 7, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol you no like the bleacher?
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by horns1025 on Jun 7, 2011 10:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
curious
but whats the story with bleacher? I’ve seen a recurring opinion of dislike towards them on this site haha
GG '10
by 04'-05'-glorydays on Jun 10, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
They have good interesting sports lists of all kinds ...
… but not much credibility on their stories & sources. It’s just not for someone looking for enlightenment.
The Blanks
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
by OnMySignal on Jun 7, 2011 10:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just when we think it’s over they find more. It’s neverending. I hope and pray you all never go through this. Now ann arbor is a different story.
I read over on OSU's blog
that a major school is about to get the “bad program” treatment from Yahoo. I’m hoping it’s not us, though I have a feeling we have yet to see the end of the Cleve Bryant situation.
It Ain't Easy, But It's Worth It.
Mack is probably on a flight to Cleveland. He’s probably thinking how am I gonna get back at her for ruining my day?
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by horns1025 on Jun 7, 2011 10:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
she mentions nothing specific
The NCAA would not to anything if she did. I am quite sure that many Texas football players get let into clubs for free, get free drinks, and free meals. They are treated like celebrities in Austin. It is a violation, but that is just the way it is. I really could care less. I am of the opinion that this happens at most schools.
How many years has Auburn been straight up paying players? Nothing has happened to them even though the QBs Dad admits he asked for money for his son.
my head nearly exploded yesterday...
when a buddy of mine said “all intensive purposes” instead of “all intents and purposes”
Someone just called me out offline...
…for writing “I’ve said my piece” instead of “I’ve said my ‘peace’”. Who knew?
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, it's "champing at the bit"
Not “chomping at the bit.”
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah so Muschamp = Muschomp
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by kriess on Jun 8, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right, but people also incorrectly say "I could care less"
The correct form is “champing.” But people say “chomping” because it’s incorrect.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
People say it because it’s incorrect?
PS: Nice copyright violation in your avatar. I’m a photographer. I notice these things. :)
"But if I had decided to be a stripper, I would have been a damn good one." -- dimecoverage
Absolutely!
"But if I had decided to be a stripper, I would have been a damn good one." -- dimecoverage
She said the watermarked version can be shared, as long as the watermark isn't cropped
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
She's a more generous photgrapher than I :)
"But if I had decided to be a stripper, I would have been a damn good one." -- dimecoverage
by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
She specifically said the watermarked versions were good for online sharing
Like facebook avatars and such. I told her I don’t use facebook, and she looked like I had just smashed the ten commandments—which I would do, btw.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
BTW, interesting thing...
…she actually has a lot of pictures of Ravens families up in her studio. She did Cory Redding, Devard Darling, and countless others I recognized, usually newborn shots of the players holding their babies. Really nice stuff, mostly black and white.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
great, now you're making this a race issue.
mostly black and white
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by run Bevo run on Jun 9, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
In my defense, I didn't see any Haloti Ngata baby pictures
/shiver
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 10, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
No, people don't say it because it's incorrect
They say it because they don’t know that it’s incorrect. However, the fact that people say it more often than the correct way doesn’t make it correct.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually - it does.
Over time, if people begin to say a word enough – it becomes a word. That’s how language evolves.
Having been immersed in the field of languag for 80% of my professional career...
…I can tell you that some agree with that, while others maintain that incorrect usage that comes into common usage does not make the incorrect usage correct. This is why many maintain that sentences like “where u at?” are still incorrect. I’ll bet you can guess which school of thought I prefer.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The modern rationalization
of “evolving language” disgusts me.
Language evolves for many reasons, however a previous class-divide separated a cogent, nuanced set of vocabulary and syntax that held a symbiosis with thought, both elevating it and allowing its newly elevated form to be expressed, from a constantly malleable common language. The fall of aristocracy is in so many respects a major step forward, however I believe our language has deteriorated every generation since, and with it a lot of discursive potential.
But this stupid trending meme, which appears to have escalated in the past 5 years, in both the media and in academia, that a generation of inarticulate yokels is to celebrated as a marker of a living, breathing language is a shameful defense mechanism, and it pisses me off to the point of near-violence.
I blame the act of texting as part of the problem.
I refuse to text.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
One of my employees teaches night classes at Texas A&M-San Antonio.
He’s had more than a few term papers turned in that were written in textese.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I as well
I hear people speak in text-slang all the time, a decision that was no doubt facetious at first, but has since become an actual habit.
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 9, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I text far more than I speak on the phone.
However, I text the same way I type or speak, for the most part. I have never used text-shorthand, for example.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 10, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You're certainly allowed to have that opinion.
Personally, I prefer an evolving language. If a word is useful, why not use it? That being said, I certainly wouldn’t want formal documents written in slang.
And I hate the use of phrases that are clearly logically incorrect (like “could care less”).
My personal experience
has consistently upheld the theory that language and thought are symbiotic. I find it to be no coincidence that the people I meet who are most articulate, and who are adept at explaining something with nuance and precision, are also the deepest thinkers, while those who speak with some juvenile [and transient] form of slang tend to be more concerned with asserting an allegiance to their peers, and indignantly rebelling against some vague sense of established standards, than communicating effectively.
I suspect most people see this as a one-way street, that innately intelligent people will speak with a more expansive language, but, again, everything in my personal experience has indicated to me that it moves both ways, that expanding one’s vocabulary, and sharpening one’s grammar and syntax, allows one to think with greater nuance and allows one better to engage discourse, which expands one’s intellect.
Another entirely consistent observation I’ve had is that those who speak with mostly slang or textese tend to get frustrated in serious conversation at their own inability to explain their thinking. It is often the case that when I insert a philosophical, scientific, aesthetic, socio-historical, or economic topic into a conversation with a group of my peers, the majority in the group are enthusiastic to discuss it (which is encouraging), but those with poor verbal skills become visibly frustrated because they have a burning opinion they want to assert but they can’t seem to put it into words. This is because they are literally unequipped to deal with larger concerns conversationally, as their vocabularies have developed only so far as the need to discuss trivial concerns (small talk, youtube videos, etc.)
I see this every day. And then I regularly hear how great it is that our language is “evolving.”
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess I just don't see the problem with increasing the number of ways to express something.
It appears that those people’s problem is that their vocabulary is not strong enough – not that they are utilizing new ways to express ideas. The problem is not that language is evolving, it is that they are not taking advantage of all that the langauge has to offer.
I guess I just don’t understand the theory that because it was said a certain way in the 15th Century, that is the only correct way to say it.
by Texas Wahoo on Jun 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Part of the contribution of the aristocracy to language,
I think, is that those in power, who also happened to have greater education, were able to dictate which newly evolved elements of languge were able to survive. I’m sure that there were subsets of the population that used colloquialisms and shorthands which largely died off before they were propagated to future generations in any period of history one could look at. Much of the dialogue in the classic works of literature reveal elements of colloquial language that didn’t survive past their era.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Right.
I certainly wouldn’t advocate for adding words willy-nilly. However, I think that is generally the case. Some words that are currently in vogue are certain to drop away.
by Texas Wahoo on Jun 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
because it was said a certain way in the 15th Century, that is the only correct way to say it.
It isn’t about tradition, its about necessity.
Slang is less about expressing something in a new way, as you suggest, and more about a declaration of an adherence to a sub-culture. Part of the incentive to use a very new term is the social reward that comes from using it; its partly a maneuver for the user to be accepted by his peers.
And that is completely fine. Complex language patterns evolve from necessity. If our necessity is that we want to be accepted by the contemporary masses, then slang serves its purpose well.
The problem is that there are other necessities for which slang tends to be inadequate. The educated class once guarded a higher form of language, language that had evolved for a completely different necessity, namely to facilitate a higher level of discourse that both allowed for a society to counter and surpass a previous generation’s assertions as well as to make better sense of an ever-more complicated society. Put simply, the more complex the issue, the more advanced the language needs to be in order to examine it, which is about necessity, and not, as some would suggest, some nebulous idea about acting “proper.” This is pragmatism, not elitism.
But that class of people has taken a large step backward. I am immensely and perpetually disappointed at how inarticulate the typical politician or college professor is in 2011. Reading lectures and speeches from previous generations is a sad eye-opener when compared to the rhetoric of today. Politicians I can understand, as they are constrained by the need to appeal to the masses, and thus slang and common speech can be heard all over campaign trails, but college professors have little excuse. They often speak crudely and commonly, when, really, they should be setting our linguistic standards.
You have to ask yourself why, as you said, you wouldn’t want official documents to be written in slang. I suspect if you believed what you are arguing entirely, you should have no problem with public officials using common language for any purpose. The fact that one might pause and wince at the idea of our legal code or important documents being written in common usage says quite a bit, I think. Specifically, it reveals an understanding we probably all have that some things are too important to be subjected to the whims of superficial linguistic trends. If we are to avoid misunderstanding and foster greater depth at the highest level of thought, we need more formally structured language that offers a greater permanence.
I think the issue here is that fewer people care to take things seriously enough to have a desire not to be misunderstood.
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 10, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
“not, as some would suggest, some nebulous idea about acting "proper." This is pragmatism, not elitism.”
If that’s a veiled criticism of me, I won’t hear and I won’t acknowledge it. But seriously, if my comment is what you were alluding to, I didn’t mean the driving force was a sense of propriety by the ruling class when I said “dictated”. I didn’t exactly mean necessity, as you describe it, but a collective sense of what words and manner of speaking/writing were more pursuant to clarity and sophistication.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 10, 2011 2:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not at all
When I wrote “as some would suggest,” I was speaking from past experience, knowing full well that it is a popular stance.
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 10, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if you watch Arrested Development,
But the whole “veiled criticism” thing was just a quote from the show. A hilarious quote, indeed. Why doesn’t anyone say indeed anymore?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 10, 2011 4:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was indeed a fan
of Arrested Development. The quote was also Em’s signature for a while :-)
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 10, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
"I was indeed a fan"
I love it!
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 10, 2011 6:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the timely usage of "indeed," I mean.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 10, 2011 6:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we're arguing past each other.
I’m not advocating for more slang. I just think that language can and should evolve.
It is ironic that this debate was started by a discussion of “chomping at the bit” vs. “champing at the bit,” considering that that phrase was once (and still is) slang, no matter which way you say it.
I agree that it should evolve
In fact, I contend that it needs to do so. I am just particular about the motivations and purposes for that evolution.
Perhaps I should summarize my stance by saying that there are different kinds of evolving, some with intriguing benefits and some to our obvious detriment. And thus my attack is on those who take a completely egalitarian approach to changing language, as if any direction it goes is completely awesome, no matter what the consequences. I encounter that position far too often, and worse, it often comes with a romanticized sense of rebellion (“language is living breathing entity, and it cannot be restrained!!”).
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 10, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
But when a variant becomes so common it becomes generally accepted.
Which is the case here – as it is in Websters Dictionary:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chomp
“I could care less” is not generally accepted.
I can't help but love what this thread has become.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Actually "I could care less" is extremely common.
I would venture to say that it’s said far more than “chomping at the bit” is.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Emmanuel Lewis does, though
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't flip out or kill the messenger
I don’t believe Texas has an improper benefits problem because our culture, established by Mack Brown, is one of integrity. Furthermore, I don’t think she said much of anything.
All that being said, if she HAD said something specific and damaging, don’t kill the messenger. If Texas has a benefits problem it would be no one else’s fault than the AD, the coaches, the staff, and the players. don’t make her enemy number one. We’re better than that on BON and at Texas.
by BMG on Jun 8, 2011 4:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
All that makes sense, however...
…she needs to realize the headache a misspoken phrase from her can cause for the program simply because of who she is married to.
She did what most 24 year olds do, she jumped into a situation that calls for more maturity than she has and she screwed up. Of course she didn’t mean to, but she did. How do you think Browns fans would act if she said “Colt had been approached to use steroids but he refused when other players may not be so strong willed”?
by TheAngryHammer on Jun 8, 2011 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This is correct
I agree with BMG, but also with your statement. She could’ve been much more careful with her words. While I think she meant to say that some of the teammates didn’t just blow past the leeches like Colt always did, and not that they actually took improper benefits or had improper contact, I do think she left way too much room for interpretation by phrasing things as she did.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm glad the discourse here hasn't included any "pimp hand" references like what appeared on Shaggy Bevo.
Does she have a flashing vacancy sign on her forehead?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 7:14 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I still can't figure out what possessed her to call in?
Kevin said women talk too much. I verbally smacked him,,which proved his point completely.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
One of the drawbacks of very attractive females, besides the fact they are often crazy,
Is that they have gotten away with more than most people get away with because of their looks. Loss of inhibition from being hot, imo.
Same can be said of their male counterparts, although perhaps to a lesser degree.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 7:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Oh. Hooktech. Do not go there.
This could a very bad thread for you. :-)
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Um, which part?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 10:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the drawbacks of very attractive females, besides the fact they are often crazy, Is that they have gotten away with more than most people get away with because of their looks. Loss of inhibition from being hot, imo.
At least you referenced attractive men, too.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, I thought it was the crazy part. lol
I guess you could tell that was tongue firmly in cheek.
So, you don’t agree that extremely attractive people get preferential treatment in our society?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 11:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t disagree that attractive people can get preferential treatment. I do disagree that attractive women are often crazy. We are usually just pissed off at the number of men staring at our body parts when we speak to them. You confuse that with acting crazy.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
haha. touche.
Yeah, I was joking about that. For the record, I think this world would be much like a post-apocalyptic waste-land if it were just us men around.
Interesting that you group yourself with very attractive women. I like it. I constantly have to tell my wife she is beautiful. I don’t know what she sees when she looks in the mirror.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 12:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have good self-esteem and I’ve worked through all those daddy issues.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Don’t I get any credit for speaking out against the “pimp hand” crap at Shaggy Bevo?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Really?
What kind of men do you speak to?
Of course attractive women get special perks and more and better offers. And in our society they generally gravitate towards similarly attractive men. Think Rachel would have married a 5’8" shoe salesman with astigmatism? This is why divorce rates are so high in this particular social group. Most people like other people for all the wrong reasons and this glass house shatters half the time. I’ve seen it repeatedly with family and friends.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 8, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Lighten up.
It was a joke.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
We are usually just pissed off at the number of men staring at our body parts when we speak to them. You confuse that with acting crazy.
I interpreted his remark to be in accordance with the speculative convention that attractive people (of any gender) tend to exhibit heightened impatience when they fail to receive precisely what they want, and often are more demanding and generally less compromising, as perhaps they’ve grown accustomed to being rewarded, socially, throughout their lives, for behavior which would often see less attractive people criticized or ostracized.
This stereotype, of course, is more likely to be discovered through a tragic series of at least one long-term relationship with an attractive person, as opposed to the kind of casual social encounter to which you refer.
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 8, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said
and spot on with the speculative convention reinforced with experience. Some of these people get away with bloody murder socially. But the offers dwindle over time…
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 8, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Trying to find any football game on, any station, even the Big Ten Network. I’m desperate.
Last weekend I watched a replay of a Louisville-Oregon State game on some FoxSports channel.
I hate the off-season.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
ESPN classic
had the Cowboys Falcons on last night (with D. White leading the 4th quarter comeback)…will be enjoying this tonight!
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi
I had no idea.
Too bad I missed that. They should never show a classic Cowboy game while the Mavericks are playing in The Finals.
I was trying
to reinforce your previous statement by adding another “offer” to your belt. ;-)
…to which one should never respond with “I’m desperate.”
I know. :-)
But you asked what I was doing later and I told you.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Hulu has some "classic" big 12 games.
You can watch the TTU v Texas game from 2004 and the classic BSU v OU fiesta bowl.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Just fyi...
I interpreted his remark to be in accordance with the speculative convention that attractive people (of any gender) tend to exhibit heightened impatience when they fail to receive precisely what they want, and often are more demanding and generally less compromising, as perhaps they’ve grown accustomed to being rewarded, socially, throughout their lives, for behavior which would often see less attractive people criticized or ostracized.
No. It just annoys the he*% out of women when men don’t look us directly in the eye when we are speaking to them. Ask any woman. Treat a woman as if you recognize and admire her intelligence and you will make an impression no matter what your physical attributes may be. Treat her as an object and you have no chance. :-)
What we have here is a failure to execute.
If men are talking to your body parts
then you’re in questionable company. I have never experienced this so I can’t really empathize but it must be terribly annoying. I was in Thailand once and experienced something simlar and it was fun for a couple of days but got annoying rather quickly.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 8, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Were they constantly checking out your kidneys for sale on the organ market?
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
umm....I'm a married guy
and some of the women I work around make it extremely hard to be respectful and look them in the eye, thats why most companies have dress codes, to steal a skit from Dave Chappell “Just because I’m dressed like a cop does not mean I am a cop”, not talking about yall since I’ve never met anyone on here in the flesh but I’m just pointing out the problem from my POV. And trust me I know there will also be those guys who will check out your rack or back even if you’re wearing a sweatsuit, but I doubt thats a large portion of guys over the age 25.
Something like that
The night scene in Phukett is unreal, full of poor country girls looking for Americans and ladies of the night. You literally couldn’t keep their hands off of you. If you like taking advantage of poor young Thai girls then that’s the place to go. My associates had a great time there, I personally went up into the highlands to visit the Buddhist temples. Also took in a couple of Thai boxing matches. No TKO’s there.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds amazing.
If I become single again, I’m totally there. ;)
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Again
we’re talking about two different things. You’re talking about social encounters, and I was referring to long-term relationships with high-maintenance people.
Life lesson
Avoid the following and you will have a great life:
1. Land Thieves
2. high-maintenance people.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
I'm sure it's especially annoying
Although that often makes me wonder why someone annoyed by such a thing would wear a low-cut shirt that is designed to draw the eye in that direction. I’m definitely not accusing you of this, but it’s common with many I know.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t wear low-cut clothing. I’m good at what I do and I dress professionally at all times to reflect that. It doesn’t matter.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Female business suits are better than yoga pants or lingerie.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
When a BON thread turns into a discussion of business suits and lingerie, you know we are definitely in the off-season. :-)
August can’t get here soon enough.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
40AS considers this blasphemy, but here it is.
Baseball just isn’t football.
There, I said it.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have run out of football movies on Netflix.
I have watched every taped game I can get my little hands and eyes on. I have resorted to watching basketball and I don’t LIKE basketball. It’s hotter than hell,,surely football is coming soon?
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
This is the time of year...
where my UT habits are an advantage. I started recording games in ’98 because I usually worked on Saturdays, it turned into a habit… and to my wifes displeasure I have every televised Texas football game from ’98-2010 on VHS/DVD.
Watched a tv show, hoarders, and kind of made me feel like a freak so I have decided to try and not record every freaking game next season. Awesome to have but a pain in the a** to move over to dvd. But man are they a life saver, just enough to hold me over until two a days.
by LonghorninRaiderland on Jun 9, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the show Hoarders ...
… but I can’t watch more than one at a time. I start feeling dirty, dusty, & like I’ve got cobwebs & yuk all over me, even though my house is immaculate. Then, I jump up and start cleaning something. Your UT game-saving fetish does not classify as hoarding. That is sweet obsession. Don’t feel guilty.
I was just saying that I find ambition and intelligence attractive.
Nothing more, nothing less.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Thanks.
I just need to realize that I can’t write here like I’m talking to my wife or close friends who know me well enough to understand when I’m just playing devil’s advocate or making an absurdist joke.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
We need a sarcasm font or dingbat. Apparently there is something for PC users, but they don’t have it out for MACs yet.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Or
It’s an open thread during a football game that’s out of hand.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raise me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Jun 9, 2011 9:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
85 days. 18 hours. Next game.
What to do with 85 days?
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
I’m so desperate for football that I am currently watching Big Ten Football in 60- they condense a game down to 60 minutes.
I’m watching Big Ten football…I really needed a fix. That’s the only excuse I can come up with.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Surely this will change
with the arrival of the Longhorn Network in August (I think) It will be interesting to see the programming. They could replay some outstanding football games. I don’t expect to see a 63-14 game by any means, but I hope they play some of the classic RRS games no matter who won. I wouldn’t mind seeing VY break usc’s heart either.
Glad to hear it
That’s certainly not the case at my firm. Many of our thirtysomethings are sashaying around in skin-tight pants and plunging blouses. This would be just on the conservative side of average here:

This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
sounds more fun than my firm
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi
Are you hiring? nt
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Got consulting skills?
We have offices in lots of Texas cities. Send me your resume. I could use the referral bonus. ;)
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby, and named it "This Exact Situation."
by burntorangehorn on Jun 9, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Not everything a woman chooses to wear
is chosen with regard to the effect it will have on men. Especially to work. Style, what’s flattering, etc, yes. And unfortunately looking nice and professional within the bounds of appropriateness and dress code still causes stares.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Let's take a brief look at the history of our species, shall we.
During the “dark” days of man when our existence was based on the constant struggle to stave off starvation, killing animals for meat once every so often but usually foraging for nuts and berries, death in the early stages of life was a much more common occurrence, frequently occurring before reproduction. Therefore, the survival of the species was dependent upon a mad rush for every individual to reproduce as soon and as often as possible to ensure the propagation of the species. While our manner of existence has evolved quite far from those days, our genome has evolved only very so slightly. Thus, despite the fact that we walk around in business suits, attending meetings of executives to strategize complex business plans, and talking on cell phones while typing on computers, the males of the species still retain the genetically encoded imperative to spread our seed. So, you see, we are going to look. It’s programmed into us. It doesn’t mean we don’t respect you. It just means that 50,000 years of social evolution has prevented us from just throwing you over our shoulders and taking you off somewhere to attempt to contribute to the propagation of our species.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I'm not talking about "looking"
Looking is understandable, and in my opinion not disrespectful at all. It’s a normal and difficult-to-avoid response. You can look discreetly without making a woman feel like a piece of meat. Staring is another thing, and it’s something civilized people should be able to control and avoid doing, just as we control other ancient evolved impulses in order to get along in society. Staring is highly disrespectful, and makes many women feel very uncomfortable. I’ve been looked at and I’ve been stared at, and I’m telling you there is a huge difference in how it feels.
And as someone who is something of an evolution nerd, I’d be careful in stretching evolutionary psychology to implications that aren’t there in the research, and failing to make the “is-ought” distinction.
But I do appreciate the non-raping non-hair-dragging restraint. :-)
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Oh, well, yes I do agree on the staring thing.
Some cultures seem to have an issue with that which I have noticed in some of my travails with work. Then again, regardless of culture, some men of the type that I choose not to associate with have that problem regardless of culture.
I wasn’t talking psychology. I was talking sociology- norms and mores and what not.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I have an issue with this behavior:

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
haha
I’m not convinced the English language has a word that adequately describes that particular behaviour.
Here’s your chance to contribute a new word to the English lexicon.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Holy hell, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Thanks, BH.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
in the defense of men
We are usually just pissed off at the number of men staring at our body parts when we speak to them.
If you are attractive, men are going to notice. I do think if you wear something revealing, you are asking men to look. I constantly tell female friends to “tell your cleavage to stop staring at my eyes, it is unnerving” if they’re wearing something low cut. It is all in good fun.
No, we're not.
And if an attractive woman will get stared at regardless, she’s SOL so she might as well be comfortable in the summer in her shorts.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Although it would be much worse
if I were here to participate and not paying international data roaming rates. So much wrong in this thread, so little time and money to tackle it all. I’m making a frowny face at many people, let’s just say.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
:-)
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
A wild Em appears!
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raise me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Jun 8, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that a pokemon reference?
I only know this cuz I have nephews, honest, I swear!
by dukeoforange on Jun 8, 2011 6:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Affirmative.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raise me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Jun 8, 2011 6:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
don't you know that it was a conspiracy to lure you and dime back to BON because we miss you two?
Something akin to putting out the bat signal. You two just have to decide who is Batman and who is Robin.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 11:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
(sigh) I guess I'll accept my rightful position as The Penguin.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Based on this "insider info" and the current situation in college football, I fully expect the NCAA
to point its guns at Texas just as soon as they’ve finished off tOSU football program. I hope we come out clean; but this is likely gonna be an unecessary distraction for the 2012 season and Mack Brown.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
*They very well may do so but it'll have nothing to do with what she said. Get real.
It takes a whole lot more evidence & smoke than that. Her comments were general observations that anybody can say about any program out there. Keep her comments in context.
Come on now, let's not go there.
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Don't you mean listen?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 5:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This would make me nervous....
but I saw so many of his teammates who just, they maybe didn’t have some of that self-control just to be able to say no to somebody. I can’t. That’s not my personality, I don’t want to hurt people’s feelings."
It reminded me of the Dez Bryant story. Yes, he had contact with an agent at Deon’s place and under pressure and unaware of what the rules were, lied to investigators. I’m not saying Bryant did or did not do something wrong, just the fact the NCAA might start poking around is enough to cause concern.
This is much less than that. Nobody has lied or brought about any evidence whatsoever.
Dez wouldn’t have missed more than a game, if at all, had he not lied about it. It was otherwise minor.
What you say is very true
it’s just the fact that now someone who is associated with the program, although indirectly, has said she saw people who couldn’t say no. After the cluster the ncaa experienced with tosu will they pick up on this to prove a point? This is one of those times being a high profile program could bite you in the a$$. Even though Texas runs a clean program and there may be nothing there, does that mean a 21-24 yr old doesn’t screw up ala Dez and make something out of nothing? I think Mrs McCoy has every right to call in and make her views known. But, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. If she had it to do over……bet she wouldn’t.
Yeah, I'm obviously givin' her the (UT) benefit of the doubt - but I think we may BOTH be right.
I just think it’s lame & stupid for some folks around here to be so insulting about her. She’s someone’s daughter & Colt’s wife. Folks need to be more respectful of the young lady. Here at BON, chivalry is dying.
“If she had it to do over……bet she wouldn’t.”I agree with this, only in that the blowback has been quite embarrassing. & I guarantee that Colt is more empathetic for her than mad at her. Aside from that, she gave some general observations based on real experience about serious problems of peripheral temptations at all college programs. She certainly didn’t give a scathing indictment on UT football or slander someone. However, I’d really like to find out her original mindset for when she called in to the radio show (or if they solicited her opinion). It was surely innocent in intent. Critics here would probably change their tune about it if they were able to sit down w/ her & hear that.
what I'm critical about is that
She started out just fine, no harm done, but she got on a roll and didn’t stop when she should have, harm already done.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 9, 2011 1:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I could see how many folks will interpret & critique what she said ...
… and I can’t change those opinions that think it was “harm…done” … but all she really did was comment and shed some light on a very real problem in CFB (as a whole) right now. Everybody is so defensive about UT getting investigated that they’re all missing her main point – that there is a problem, some players deal with it well while others don’t, and the vultures need to be disciplined.
This whole thing vaguely reminds me of when Canseco came out and said that there was a steroid problem in baseball. Everybody griped & griped about Canseco being a buffoon back then, & on many levels he is, but I’m glad that someone decided to “fall on their sword”. As a result of his frankness, baseball now has a steroid policy, players & teams are working together to clean up their act, and the playing field has been leveled. Now, I don’t want all the “Negative Nancies” & “Hyperbole Hals” out there to say that I’m saying the steroid issue is the same as this, and that Rachel McCoy = Jose Canseco, but sometimes it’s okay if knowledgeable people speak up & say something that may eventually help to clean up a lingering problem. I’m as defensive about the UT Longhorns as anyone in the world but the fact is that she didn’t “blow the whistle” on UT or say anything that would get them investigated. Her observations of the vultures surrounding the UT program were indicative of all of college football AS A WHOLE. If we keep burying our head in the sand and being defensive, we may end up having an even bigger problem due to a lack of accountability. I love Coach Mack’s character & accountability procedures and I bet that he is glad some of this is being said to the NCAA w/out him having to come out & say it. A lot of what I heard her say was, “UT is doing it right”.
I agree.
I just wish that she had stopped at talking about wayward boosters and had slowed down long enough to think before saying, “some of Colt’s teammates…” That segment of the interview was the 10 seconds out of 6 minutes that is problematic. If it does result in an investigation that reveals real problems, then I’ll be glad she called in. If it results in no investigation or in an investigation that reveals nothing other than minor, secondary violations, then the result will have been a lot of unnecessary and undesirable attention on UT in the meantime. I see the latter scenario as much more likely. Like I said, if she had just taken a second to breathe rathe than getting a head full of steam and word vomiting on a nationally syndicated radio show, we’d be in better shape.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Yeah, but you gotta admit that she's still a cutie. (Don't answer that.)
Seriously, I wonder who those boosters are & how they’re steering clear of Mack Daddy.
I think your Canseco comparison is very valid
It is by no means a direct comparison, but your point that if a problem is never address it can’t be solved is spot on. Unfortunately for (the very cute) Mrs McCoy she’s taking some flack. I think it is mostly undeserved, however as this process evolves I think she will not be seen as the villain, but as someone who represents a higher standard, which should reflect positively on UT.
Thank you, sir! You said it well.
Her (& Colt’s) character speaks volumes as to the intent of her comments.
So take your choice...
(1) Rachel said what she said because she’s an attractive female and therefore has learned she can get away with more that less attractive women.
(2) She don’t speak so good because she went to Baylor.
(3) Calling into a radio show to discuss this issue reveals immaturity.
(4) She has no right to speak on the subject.
(5) She must be living vicariously through Colt, because one loses all sense of self-identity when one marries a famous athlete. Especially if you’re a woman marrying a famous male athlete.
(6) She’s just 24 so she got in over her head. (I’m pretty sure there’s supposed to be a “pretty little” implied there before “head”.)
(7) This is shameful and there will be hell to pay for anyone who says something which leads to an NCAA investigation, regardless of the merits.
There’s a lot going on in this thread, I’m not sure I want to say what it is, but it rhymes with Gaggie.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
+1
Sure didn’t take much to bring out the latent sexism here.
Absolutely right, Hopkins
If Texas has cheated, the problem is not Rachel McCoy. The most “Gaggie” thing one can do is just circle the wagons and blame the snitch rather than the actual wrongdoers.
Furthermore, SHE IS RIGHT! Her simple agreement with Cowherd’s premise that the boosters are a bigger problem than the kids, and the way she framed it as sort of “even at a program with as much integrity as Texas” kind of thing, makes this simply not what folks are making it out to be.
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by 40AS on Jun 8, 2011 9:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
She must be living vicariously through Colt, because one loses all sense of self-identity when one marries a famous athlete. Especially if you’re a woman marrying a famous male athlete.
Yes, I said that offline in an email.
When you are a public figure or married to one, there are certain expectations. Everything you say and do will be under a microscope. It may not be fair, but it is what it is. My point was that she needs to think before she speaks from now on. Her words and actions can be attributed right back to McCoy.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, you said it above
She is Mrs. Colt McCoy. Maybe she is living vicariously through his career?
What’s said offline stays offline, of course, except when it’s online too. :)
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I did. And I stick by that point.
I’m not peeved about her content in the radio call. We all know everyone does it and as much as we like to think Texas is above it all, our big donors probably aren’t. Mack Brown can do all the player and donor education he wants, but if a player or donor is determined to cheat, he can’t do anything about it until after the action.
What bothers me is that she doesn’t have the common sense to know that she needs to think before she speaks. And everything she talked about is second-hand information about Texas. If she was calling about the Baylor track program, it would be first-hand info.
Even when you date (or marry) a player, you have to realize that speaking out-of-turn can cause problems for him.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
As I said, she needs to think before she speaks again.
I bet she has learned a very big lesson from this firestorm.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
that Mack sounds scary when he's yelling at you over a phone?
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by horns1025 on Jun 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly!
I know she is young however she is married to a very public figure. If she wants to succeed in her current situation she simply must keep quiet on some things.
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nice post Hopkins....
I feel that many here are doing the same thing Rachel was, basically speaking/typing before you think, while I don’t think anyone means to sound sexist here when put altogether it does sound a bit cheauvanist. I stand by my posts that the problem with her “interview” was that she was
talking too broadly about people giving cars to athletes and then switching over and talking about Texas, which made is sound really bad but when you break it down only one comment is "damning" but in context even that is just a bad sound bite that implies more than she meant it to.
She’s just a young girl getting in over her head not that she doesn’t know sports, she just doesn’t seem to know how to not stick her foot in her mouth, expecting an apology or something like one from her tomorrow after this gets around on the internet in the morning.If she was giving factual information about a problem at Texas I would feel differently but it seems that all she truely did was talk about how Colt was clean and she suspects that others probably were not. While nothing was “damning” and I agree with her main points, giving out vague and negative information about how our programs isn’t helpful and is only giving the sports world an opportunity to talk about Texas in a bad light.
so, you thought it was a good idea for her to say the things she said.
Don’t foresee any unintended consequences?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No. The NCAA isn’t going to investigate anything on the say-so of a former player’s wife calling in to a lame radio show.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
I know the NCAA isn't salivating over this.
I do think the type of rival fans who love to troll our fansites and others just looking for some dirt on Texas are.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
You're too smart to not understand the sociological underpinnings of my hypothesis, Hopkins.
Or to make a summary judgement based on one hypothesis posited.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jun 8, 2011 1:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey now, I'm at least smart enough to recognize another chance to show off my new sig
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 2:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
This post
Deserves far more rec’s.
That's it, I'll sue you and YOUR WHOLE CRUMMY AIRLINE
by Burrito Electrico on Jun 8, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody needs to take a deep breath and chillax
She absolutely was describing her abhorrent regard for grown men (ie. boosters) and their feeding off the BMOC tag so they can tell their buddies, cousins, fellow alums, customers, and mothers they are in the club. This is not some new revelation. Groupies have been around since forever.
No, nothing to see here. Time to move along.
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I don't know about "nothing to see"...
but I saw so many of his teammates who just, they maybe didn’t have some of that self-control just to be able to say no to somebody
This concerns me.
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it concerns me big time as it appears this story is being picked up in the national
maintstream media. With national publicity the NCAA will have no choice but to investigate.
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You know what...
…if there’s something that needs to be investigated, then investigate it.
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I agree - but I don't see anything in the quote that needs to be investigated.
But I’m still unclear whether talking to boosters/agents is a violation. Did she say anything about them accepting improper benefits?
Explicitly, no.
But is it a reasonable inference to make from what she said? I think so, though it’s reasonable to disagree with my making that inference.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems to me that she should have been asked what she meant.
But I’m guessing the clarification wouldn’t have led to everyone talking about the radio show.
She needs to shut the fuck up.
Plain and simple.
Marrying the QB doesn’t make her qualified to speak on our compliance. I hate to think of Colt McCoy as a neutered Kurt Warner, but at this point Rachel McCoy is heading down the Brenda Warner path.
Time to edit my list...
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, now, that's just ... stupid.
You’re reaching way more into misunderstanding her character than most everyone is misunderstanding the context of what she was saying. She spoke intelligently to the subject and lended a little more realism to a huge problem in college football: Sleazy agents & weak-willed student-athletes & their parents.
There is a bigger issue here
Why is she listening to Colin Cowherd? That guy blows.
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by run Bevo run on Jun 8, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Say what he really is...
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Annoying
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by run Bevo run on Jun 8, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
No no no. You know what word I want.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You taught me not to say those things
I don’t want you to ban me so I’m not going to say it.
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by run Bevo run on Jun 8, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm so disappointed in you
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Spencer Hall sums up my thoughts:
OMG IT’S GOING TO KILL TEXAS. Or not, since all Colt McCoy’s wife just said that Texas enforcement was actually quite strict, that boosters were uncontrollable (duh,) and that people like money, including offers of cars that get turned down. But hey, excuse to post pictures of Colt McCoy’s hot wife! She’s third from the right!
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/6/8/2213184/the-curious-index-6-8-2011
I don't think anyone is aware of who we're speaking of
I hope this jogs your memory.

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how dare you bring her butt into this....
Great now I’m not mad anymore…..
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by horns1025 on Jun 8, 2011 11:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I met her once while jogging around Townlake
Super nice girl.
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by run Bevo run on Jun 8, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
still
Bringing her butt into this was just a low blow
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by horns1025 on Jun 8, 2011 11:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention the butt of that innocent bystander who has nothing to do with this.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 8, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Can one who poses in such a manner
be qualified as innocent? :-)
by BrooklynHorn on Jun 8, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
absolutely lol
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by horns1025 on Jun 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
last night at the McCoy household...

JD’s like, "you want some f*ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
by laxtonto on Jun 8, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
That is great.
Who is this Jame Gumb? He/she should be a BON must-hire.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I asked Jame to do it
Perfect execution. Rachel was permitted to ask about Colt’s business one time and now she’s shut out.
oh joy
I’ve got Nebraska fans getting onto me for this on facebook
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by horns1025 on Jun 8, 2011 5:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That has never worked on the aggy that visit here.
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by OnMySignal on Jun 9, 2011 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This has gone national
On front page of today’s (9 Jun 2011) print edition of USA Today with a picture of Colt McCoy next to Terrelle Pryor…guilt by association? Headline suggests college football scandel getting worst and has now spread to Texas! DeLoss Dodds implies Texas is conducting an internal investigation into the allegations that some Texas football players accetpted illegal “gifts”.
Get ready to hang on for bumpy ride over the next several months or even years.
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Even if nothing comes of this...
…the uncertainty will cost us needed recruits. Expect to see the 2012 class take a hit.
WTF was she thinking? Even if the program is completely clean, she cast a cloud over it because her word is taken as an insider’s just because of her last name. There will always be a “they got away with it” attitude out there. I hope she got the attention she was looking for.
It will be interesting to see the reaction when they head back to a football game.
by TheAngryHammer on Jun 9, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand newspapers.
It’s on the front page of the print edition, but not even available on their online site? No wonder the industry is dying.
It's there, you just have to navigate to the sports section
The article isn’t quite as bad when removed from the context of the front page without the creative juxtaposition of photo.
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Agreed
Also, I’m not seeing mention of an internal investigation.
In a statement e-mailed to USA TODAY, Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds said, “We are performing our due diligence as always to make certain there are no outstanding compliance issues.”Sounds to me that he’s saying nothing more than that Texas will continue its typical compliance programs to ensure they catch what they can.
Thanks - I guess I figured if it was on the cover of the paper, it wouldn't be the 6th article down in the sports section.
At least from the online version, that doesn’t seem bad at all.
For the naysayers...
…who are claiming that there’s nothing here to see or who are rushing to shoot the messenger, how would you have reacted had this same fact pattern appeared, with the only difference being a substitution of “Mrs. Sam Bradford” or “Mrs. Graham Harrell” for “Mrs. Colt McCoy”?
"But if I had decided to be a stripper, I would have been a damn good one." -- dimecoverage
The point is not shoot the messenger for the message.
This would be a case of shoot the messenger if she was calling in to the show saying she and Colt had been stonewalled when trying to report stuff like this.
The point is that she HAS NO PROOF or DIRECT KNOWLEDGE of this going on. She was just guessing and was very unclear on her point. If she had proof and she was trying to be a whistle-blower then she should have gone to the NCAA or the Compliance Dept. They both have lawyers aching to look at stuff like this.
The point is she mad a very bad decision for whatever reason. She, like most other 24 yr olds out there, did not think about the effect she had on the outside world. She wanted to make a point, get attention, whatever. She cost the program credibility, despite all the “this will pass” statements. her words and implication will always be out there.
As for the Mrs Bradford or Mrs Harrell comment, do you see them calling into a nationally syndicated radio show to make such a statement which has the weight of their last name along with it? No.
by TheAngryHammer on Jun 9, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You say you don't want to shoot the messenger...
…yet you say, in this post alone:
She was just guessing
she mad a very bad decision
She, like most other 24 yr olds out there, did not think
(At what age would she have more credibility in your mind? 30? 40? Five years older than whatever age she is, no matter how old?)
She wanted to make a point, get attention, whatever.
At what point do you actually start shooting if this isn’t?
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What message did she try to get accross?
Its not very clear?
What credibility does she deserve? What was she trying to convey? That is the whole point. What she was trying to convey was UNCLEAR and damaging by its lack of clarity.
Like I said this would be a case of shoot the messnger if she was outting the program on national radio after having been stonewalled internally or by NCAA.
People are criticizing a very bad decision. By seeking publicity with her point she opened herself up to public criticism, she put herself and her [unclear] point out there.
Do you think she made a good decision here?
by TheAngryHammer on Jun 9, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
None of us know what the truth is.
And without the truth or seeing what additional investigations uncover, I’m not in a position to judge whether she made a good decision.
If it turns out that she was speaking carelessly in terms of generalities for college sports in general and made it sound like she was pointing out problems at Texas without meaning to, then, yes, she made a bad decision.
If she intended to point a finger at Texas without knowing anything, then she made a malicious decision. (I highly doubt this, but I’m listing it anyway.)
But if she relaying what she knows through her relationship with Colt and felt pretty confident, based on that, that there was some funny business going on, then I’m not going to call the public revealing of that information to be a “bad decision.” I want a clean program, and if there is wrong-doing going on, I want that known and cleaned up.
So until we know more facts, I don’t think any of us can say with any certainty whether this was a “wrong decision,” unless you are of the mindset that, even if she was certain of what she was spoken, she should have STFU because it made us look bad.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it turns out that she was speaking carelessly in terms of generalities for college sports in general and made it sound like she was pointing out problems at Texas without meaning to, then, yes, she made a bad decision.
Um, hasn’t it already turned out that way?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Keep practicing
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so the blockquote didn't work out the I wanted it.
Would you like to address the point, anyway?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
And I'm reading her commets as that she WAS talking about Texas while Colt was there...
…and not about college athletics in general. But, again, there’s enough ambiguity here for everyone to read whatever the hell they want into it.
I would just hope that we don’t try to discredit what was said because it was said by a 24-year-old, or whatever grounds it’s being dismissed on.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
The fact that she said something that people have read whatever they want into it,
is the reason that I believe it was a bad decision for her to speak carelessly about it.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Exactly.
Most people think she was not trying to out cheating at Texas – hence they think it was a bad decision.
Your theory is certainly also possible (although I doubt it).
HH
And without the truth or seeing what additional investigations uncover, I’m not in a position to judge whether she made a good decision.
Would you want your kids to go tell the rest of your family about your finances even if everything was on the up and up? Sometimes we have to let issues slide irregardless (since this is turning into a grammar thread) of the facts.
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by run Bevo run on Jun 9, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Since he's only one, it'd be something like "ball! bubble!"
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
your deflection is strong young grasshopper..nt
by vy til i die on Jun 9, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
seriously
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by run Bevo run on Jun 9, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
if she gives a name and a accusation I'd see this differently...
until then she is just speaking out her “you know what” like many of us do here everyday, THE PROBLEM is that the has some form of credibility that we don’t and thus she needs to choose her words more carefully and refain from talking about things she doesn’t know to be an absolute truth. Like I said if she was to come out and say that Red McCombs gave Jordan Shipley a car then shout it from the roof tops but if all she saying is that “others may not have had the same self control that Colt did” then she probably should be saying anything at all ABOUT TEXAS. Her other general point about the NCAA and boosters was fine but leave TEXAS out of it.
I suspect the sort of thing she was alluding to is the inevitable secondary violation,
(ie someone being let into a club for free) that the compliance reports routinely when they know of it. However, what concerns me is that since she wasn’t specific, it leaves way too much room for interpretation by those that don’t necessarily have our program’s best interest at heart and might be inclined to right about their interpretation.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
*compliance office
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Why can't we shoot the messenger on the grounds that:
a) nobody asked her to be the messenger- she unilaterally took it upon herself to do so
b) she took it opon herself to convey a message that didn’t need to be conveyed and resulted in some unwanted attention?
I think “don’t shoot the messenger” only applies when the messenger was acting as an appointed messenger to convey a message that was desired by the source.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
nobody asked her to be the messenger- she unilaterally took it upon herself to do so
If she’s speaking the truth, then so what? I would hope that most of us would live the words we wrote during the OSU scandal and aim for as clean a program as possible.
to convey a message that didn’t need to be conveyed
Again, if there is merit to what she is saying, then I would say it is a message that very much needed to be conveyed.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he was just pointing out that "don't shoot the messenger" doesn't really apply here, because no one wanted her to convey the message.
Just like if one of the players on the team started telling everyone about the trick plays we were going to run – it would be odd to say “don’t shoot the messenger,” he’s only telling the truth.
But his comment was entitled...
Why can’t we shoot the messenger on the grounds that…
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
That is what I was trying to convey.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
practicing...
if there is merit to what she is saying, then I would say it is a message that very much needed to be conveyed.
I guess I just have faith that the athletic department is clean, and the only likely result of an investigation is that we are found to be clean only after a lot of undeserved scrutiny is cast our way.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
son of a @#$@
How do you make the block quote stop so that you can type after it without that text being included?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
paste the message, then highlite it, and click the blockquote icon
your quote will have a <"blockquote"> at the start and end of the quote then you can type before or after it…also its helpful to preview your comment before you post it to see if you did it right
I guess the guilt that I'm spending time here during work hours
causes me to be hasty with the post button and as long as the message I’m trying to convey comes across, the actual format isn’t all that important
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
thanks for the instructions...
seems to me like it’s more efficient to just copy and paste the quote, then surround with old fashionied quotation marks. What’s wrong with that?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I think most people think she made a bad decision because they think she wasn't trying to insinuate that Texas players were taking money.
It is certainly possible that she thought long and hard about it and then decided that she had to call in to get the weight of her knowledge of cheating off of her chest.
Personally, I think she made a mistake – but it’s certainly possible that her intent was to bring more scrutiny on Texas.
I'm getting a different read
Going to my earlier point I posted as your comment went up, if she intended to speak about college athletics in general but it came out in such a way that it sounded like she was insinuating at Texas in general, then she is certainly guilty of poor word choice, though I doubt there was a malice intent.
My impression of the comments, though, is that many on here think she is talking about Texas or are choosing to ignore what in my mind is pretty clear language that she was talking about what was going on at Texas.
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by Hopkins Horn on Jun 9, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I think she was talking about Texas.
I just think don’t think she was refering to any particular incidents. I think she was trying to say that there were lots of agents trying to get their name out and some of the players (not Colt – she was very clear about that) would listen to them. I don’t think she meant to say that they were taking any benefits – which is what the media seems to be suggesting was her point.
She didn't say all this to try & get attention. That's ludicrous.
“She was just guessing and was very unclear on her point.”
She wasn’t guessing. She’s been close enough to the program to know what she’s talkin’ about – and she’s been a college athlete herself. Her point was clear – that there are real problems, sleazy agents & temptations in college programs, that need to be disciplined. Your point was that you wanted her to name names. Even though that’s what you wanted and, thus, disappointed in, it was never her point to slander someone.
“She cost the program credibility,…”No, she didn’t. Thats just ridiculous. She didn’t say anything we didn’t already know – that there are problems in CFB and the problems need to be addressed. If the NCAA investigates, it won’t have anything to do with her.
I disagree.
She has definitely put a black eye on our program. Whether it’s a deserved black eye is yet to be seen, but having everyone talk about our program as possibly cheating when they should be talking about tOSU and USC, is a black eye.
I still think everyone is making a mountain of paranoia out of a molehill of a known issue ...
… but I’ve got absolutely no problem with a different opinion. At the very least, let’s all hope this amounts to nothing negative to the UT program and that Mrs. McCoy is stronger and wiser through it.
but given the current atmoshpere in college football and whats been occuring the last fews months
can you really blame us for being a bit edgy? my day was perfectly fine till she decided to open her big mouth.
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No, I certainly wouldn't blame any of us for being edgy.
It’s certainly a hot button issue in CFB right now.
I have wondered
why there have been no further comments or clarifications from either “Team Rachel” or The University. Multiple possible reasons for the silence I suppose.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
I don't think the University should comment
that only seems to give merit to the idea there is a problem, at least at this point. As far as “Team Rachel” I would want her to think that through. Not that she couldn’t address the issue intelligently, but the media wolves are out now and the word twisting/inference thing is sure to continue. Maybe a prepared statement where she can make sure the specifics are addressed without allowing for broad interpretation.
at this point id settle for tweet that said "oops"
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by horns1025 on Jun 9, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Her being blonde probably suffices as the same thing. You think?
I like the “oops” twitter though. That’d be funny.
Oh, uh, um, pardon me, ma'am ... I didn't mean you, of course. - Forgot you were here.
(Trying to recall an applicable quote from Elle Woods & Legally Blonde but just can’t right now.)
Being a blonde female
has gotten me out of a few tickets,into a few concerts, a lot of free drinks, more than a few temporary marriage proposals and a fair amount of attention on the back of a Harley. Having an IQ of 168 has allowed me to know precisely what to do in each of those situations. Blonde and dumb do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
Was that on a Tickle IQ test, perchance? ;-) Kidding!
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I got a 136 on a Tickle IQ test and felt really good about myself for about a day.
Then I acknowledged the reality that they are nothing but marketing ploys.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I've never taken one of the online tests
and I am fairly certain I’ve never visited a site that labeled itself “Tickle”. What kind of site calls itself Tickle? Did glitter shoot from the screen for each correct answer?
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
haha. No, it wasn't anything nearly that exciting?
It was during the days when pop-ups were ruining everyone’s lives. It was a stupid IQ test that you’d take, and then to see your score you had to look at a series of advertisements and give out your email address, etc.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
While I'm thinking about it.
If you are still in Austin,,get thee to Magianno’s at The Domain and have a bottle or three of Decoy. So very good.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
I actually bought a bottle of that not too long ago.
Needs a LOT of time to breathe, but quite good if you give it time. I’m deferring wine drinking for now. My lady and I are leaving for Napa in 9 days.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Nice. Safe trip to you.
We’ll hold the fort down,,or tear it down,,while you are away.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
Much appreciated.
I’m just wondering how much stress free vacationing I’ll get before I get the first crisis phone call from work. Last time I didn’t even get on the plane to leave for vaca before it happened. Wife was none to pleased.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Just a small word or plenty of advice regarding vacations.
Leave the phone at home. You’re on vacation. Really. I used to think the world (and my career) would end if I missed a call. I was wrong. Leave the phone at home. Check in from the hotel once daily if you must but no more. Relax. Unclench. It’s vacation with your beautiful wife.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
Que?
That wasn’t somehow sexist, was it?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Aw, shucks.
I guess I’ll always have a tarnished reputation with you, huh? :-)
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Wait, you didn't think I was making a lame joke about actual tickling, did you?
Are you not familiar with the pop-up ad IQ test by the name of “Tickle?”
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Blonde and dumb do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.
Well said.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Takes one to know one.
Glad you two seem to be kindred spirits.
Not just blondes get that stuff.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
if she was blonde AND was a former Pom Girl maybe it would make up for it
so until she gives us Colt McCoy Jr. she is not forgiven
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Dude, I didn't even think of that.
That would definitely bring her to sainthood in Austin, Texas.
maybe not sainthood after this
but ill forgive her when i read that she has given birth to a future Texas QB
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Because after all, that is the whole point of women.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I could just love you for that comment.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
not at all
just merely stating i shall hold a grudge until i hear that we have our future QB. ill tell ya one thing im gonna be pissed if she has a girl be like “WTF WE CANT HAVE A GIRL AS OUR QB!!!!!!”
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And you thought I was bad about testing the boundaries of socially acceptable behavior...:-)
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Okay, so here's the deal
1. Rachel McCoy would have been forgiven if she were not only blonde but had also been one of the group of girls that dresses up in little outfits and shakes their asses for your enjoyment. (NB: I have no problem with Pom girls, but that seems to be what you all enjoy about them.)
2. Since she was not part of that select group, she cannot do anything at all to redeem herself until she gives birth to a male heir to the Texas QB throne.
3. If she gives birth to a girl, you will be angry with her. Justifiably so, since we all know that it is the woman’s genetic material that determines the sex of a baby, even though the woman only has X chromosomes and thus can only contribute X chromosomes.* Plus, as we all know, girls are inherently less valuable than boys.
This “she better look hot for my enjoyment and failing that she needs to produce a male heir or off with her head” line of thinking was in vogue 500 years ago. Are you sure you’re not the reanimated corpse of Henry VIII?

*#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
by LonghornEm on Jun 12, 2011 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, this is inevitably going to come off a little condescending. Just know that I'm just trying to help.
Know that I’m speaking as someone who, after reading Dime’s and Em’s comments for a while noticed that they are the resident strong women in the BON community, and knowing this, at times I have goaded them a little bit with some comments that push the envelope (one might even say bated). There are a few guidelines you must follow or else you will chewed up and spit out. You are dealing with very intelligent and strong-willed women here- the best kind. Therefore, if you say something that has a tinge of sexism to it but is said in a jocular fashion, then you have an ability to shield yourself from the inevitable (and desired) shit-storm. However, if you say something that is downright misogynistic, you have left yourself no chance for recovery.
I say all this granting you the benefit of the doubt that your comments belie your true feelings toward the fairer sex. Of course, in the event that I have misjudged and you actually do harbor beliefs rooted in misoginy, then you have no chance and you will be devoured.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Damn. "will chewed up" --> will be chewed up; "misoginy" --> misogyny,
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
i was just kidding....
I didn’t mean to offend LonghornEm. I’m just gonna adopt the policy of never commenting again…..
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by horns1025 on Jun 12, 2011 3:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, "never commenting again" is a bit drastic.
Just tread lightly with certain subjects unless you already have a recovery plan in place.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
its not like i was being serious
and you gotta admit “Are you sure you’re not the reanimated corpse of Henry VIII?” thats a bit much especially since he was a mass murdering little peice of crap who killed anyone who didnt agree with him and lacked any form of empathy
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It was a bit much. I think it was intentional hyperbole.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
That was a hyperbolic comparison for the sake of humor
If you’re going to make jokes about things that could be offensive to people here, then you should be prepared to get back the same as you gave.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
im just gonna say it
no girl i know would have been offended by that most would have laughed and others would have said “ugh football is dull” most of the girls i know make jokes like that all the time (albeit directed at men)
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You have to realize that joking with your friends is different
You know each other and what you all find funny. If you make jokes among people you don’t really know you should be prepared for someone to react to it. Just because a female friend makes rape jokes doesn’t mean all women or even most women will find that funny or harmless. Know your audience and your context. You have a man here saying that was out of line, keep in mind.
And by your own admission the girls you know are different from the women who post on here – neither me, nor Dime, nor OMS are saying “ugh football is dull,” and maybe we’re also everything HookTech said and won’t put up with shit the way some women will.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I don't get easily personally offended
But what I will do is if I see problematic attitudes then I will call them out as such. Often I do it in a snarky, joking manner. The more reason I have to think that the attitude is sincerely held, the more likely I am to seriously call it out, and misogynist comments you’ve made in the past have given me that impression.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
ok first off
im just a simple guy from West Texas so using words like “Misogynist” force me to pull out Wikipedia.
secondly, im a Libertarian and it violates every social tenant of the Libertarian philosophy to discriminate against anyone. i cant really blame you for not knowing that but everyone who knows me KNOWS i dont hold low views of women.
my mother was a single mom and is currently a 3.9 gpa student at UNT who is getting a double major which makes her one of the smartest people i know. after growing up with her as a mom i could never seriously have a low view of women
formerly "Horns102591"
1. Sorry I used an elitist big word.
2. I know lots of libertarians who hold misogynist anti-woman views. Lots. Just because a person doesn’t believe the government should make laws treating women differently doesn’t mean they can’t also hold negative views toward them. Lots of men don’t realize that views they have of women are damaging stereotypes until it’s explained to them.
Since I don’t actually know you, all I have to go on is things you say, and I wasn’t impressed.
3. That’s great about your mom, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to whether you should make misogynist anti-woman jokes.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
And we're just talking past each other at this point
I’m not going to continue this discussion any further, and I suggest you do the same. I can only hope that you’ll keep what HookTech and I have said in mind when you post.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
ok but before i go i just hope i havnt offended you and if i did i sincerely apologize
i really dont hate women and if i said something that gave you that impression once again i humbly apologize
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No, you haven't offended me
But thank you. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I understand it's a tricky situation.
Say nothing and incredibly curious fans like me start to wonder. Say ANYTHING AT ALL and incredibly protective fans like me cringe over how it will be interpreted. I just wish I could hit rewind and whisk her into a room 45 seconds before she thought picking up the phone was a clever idea. God made duct tape for a reason.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
They already have.
See this article in Austin American Statesman
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
i wish Colt or Mack would just say something to make this go away.
maybe Colt can say “she was drunk she had consumed 5 bottles of wine that morning”
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But,,,that's MY excuse. n/t
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
maybe she could say she meant it was her Baylor players that couldn't say no
They even drank alcohol and danced in pubic whereas the Texas players would never do that.
We're Texas.


































