A thought sparked by Twitter -- maybe that #7 Garrett Gilbert jersey you bought last year that you now hate is simply a future Connor Brewer jersey. Eh?
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Uh. No. Let’s completely lose faith in a quarterback(who had one of the worst seasons as a Texas QB since forever), while completely disregarding the fact that he was 5* player coming out of high school and was one drive away from potentially winning the national championship game on his very FIRST start.
And while we are at it, let’s completely go gaga over a
quarterback who hasn’t even played his senior season in HIGH SCHOOL yet.
Why is this post on the front page in the first place?
by thebrat on Jul 14, 2011 12:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He didnt start the MNC game
He completed 38 percent of his passes with 4 interceptions. If it wasn’t for the all worldly talent that was Jordan Shipley, Your expectations of him would have been more in line with his performance last year. You lost the game by more than two TDs. Hardly one drive away.
by miketag on Jul 14, 2011 3:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Down by 3 with three minutes left? An 80 yard drive would burned the clock and won the game. Stick with poultry judging—-math is not your strong suit.
And if ur aunt had balls
She would be ur uncle
The more likely scenario was that he would turn the ball over, which is what happened. Colt got knocked out of the game, Bama went conservative on offense, and they rammed it down your throat. You didn’t deserve to win the game. Shipley’s brilliance kept the score respectable.
by miketag on Jul 14, 2011 7:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Aggie Joke
So who threw the ball to Shipley? Your school has never played in a BCS game, and probably never will. Your school has never won an outright national championship in football, and probably never will. There is a whole genre of joke based upon your school. Kids in Idaho, Delaware, Minnesota, and Arizona tell Aggie jokes and don’t even know where they originated. Sieg heil, sheep humper!
Check out the participants in the 1999 sugar bowl. Longhorn fan here but if your gonna talk trash, know your facts.
You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later, you dance with the Grim Reaper.
by maverick76904 on Jul 14, 2011 12:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Florida_State_Seminoles_football_team#Sugar_Bowl_vs._Virginia_Tech
Am I missing something?
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 14, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah it's 1998.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 14, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But it was the 1999 sugar bowl.
You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later, you dance with the Grim Reaper.
by maverick76904 on Jul 14, 2011 2:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
good to know you are a nazi
The biggest Aggie joke is that all the books of jokes are published by Gig Em Press.
How do you define outright? Do we not count the ’39 one b/c 60 years later USC claimed some unknown poll had them number one? Do we count national titles that when we were named national champ but then lost the bowl game?
conservative
I would have loved for Saban not to have gone conservative. I like Texas’ chances with McElroy staying in the pocket and slinging the ball. He got beat down even with them staying conservative. I don’t think Saban’s game plan would have changed that much if Colt had stayed in the game. McElroy was not going to beat Texas with his arm and foot work. It is not a stretch to say Texas was one blindside fumble away from having a chance to win the game.
Miketag, your obsession with the Longhorns is really unhealthy
Your severe inferiority complex is showing. Please stop. You’re embarassing yourself.
by luvcollegefootball on Jul 14, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
To provide discussion fodder.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jul 14, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
yea- i'm not sure what you're thinking by posting this?
keep it on twitter
by longhornricky on Jul 14, 2011 1:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Let’s support gilbert and not trash him. Yes he threw interceptions in a terrible GD offense with no running back…but he plays hard, took tons of hits to gain an extra yard instead of running out of bounds or sliding, and cares that he had a bad year. If he does something purposely wrong, says he doesn’t want to play, or does something to disrupt the team then he deserves some backlash. But otherwise let’s support the kid.
by BeeCaveHornFan on Jul 14, 2011 1:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To be perfectly honest
I don’t care if it’s Garrett’s or Connor’s or Chiles’ or Deon Beasley’s. I bought that jersey because 7 is my lucky number. I would have my name on the back of that Texas jersey if I were so inclined (well, I am inclined but that’s still kind of tacky). If it happens to be our current or future star QB’s number, then hey, that’s awesome. I still love my #7 jersey.
Every time I feel down and depressed, I think of seven simple words by a true wise man, Matt Leinart: "I still think we're the better team" and I usually end up hurting myself by laughing so hard.
plus
at the pace Bellmont has been going, that number will be retired within 10 years for one reason or another..
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 14, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I wore #7...
In little league…
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 14, 2011 3:58 AM CDT reply actions
Do we people "hate" Garrett Gilbert?
I can understand being skeptical about whether he can rebound from the hell he went through last year (a chunk of which wasn’t his fault), but I don’t really get the villain-ization of the kid. If he never recovers and fizzles out, fine, he was a bust, but what’s the source of animosity towards Gilbert?
Granted, I’m personally struggling to see a bright future ahead for him, but I’ll certainly be happy for him if he can, I do think he got jerked around by a bad approach last year, and I have to assume he’s going to benefit from numerous changes that will make his job easier.
I’m not willing to sign off on him as the best option to be starter (yet – we’ll see), but I’m not wishing he’d go away or anything. Is there really a lot of Gilbert hate? If so, what’s the source of it?
/confused
You ain't hurt...
I don't hate him
I just believe that we’re beatable by anyone if he’s our QB. His ability to stall drives and throw to the other team are great, if you’re our opponent. I would not mind never seeing him on the field for us again. He should have been replaced mid season last year.
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His ability to stall drives and throw to the other team [under the former offensive coordinator’s gameplan] are great, if you’re our opponent.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi
Check the spring game
He’s the only one of our QB’s to throw a pick in that under Harsin. He also continually stalled drives in that. Yes, the systems were simplified, but that doesn’t excuse him.
It’s his decision making with the ball that bugs me.
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he always stares receivers down for far too long
So far he hasn’t progressed in that. From the national championship to this last year that was a big problem and hopefully that fixes a little
by Rocket94 on Jul 14, 2011 2:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the 'hate' has to do with how highly touted he was coming out of HS
really high expectations + below average performance is a bad combo. One thing McCoy had going for him from the start was his 3 star pedigree. This gave people have a little more patience with his development (remember his sophomore season wasn’t the best either). But when you have below average expectations + above average (great, really) play, everyone loves you. You exceed expectations and that always pleases the fans.
Personally, I’m excited to see what Gilbert can do with a new offense. I’ll give him a chance, but if things look real bad I’ll be calling for Ash pretty quickly.
It was the same w/ Colt
If you could go back and read posts from Colt’s Sophomore year, there was a good percentage bagging on him. Of course he had a stellar junior year & most of those guys jumped back on the bandwagon.
Garrett is a fastball pitcher. The WRs were spoiled w/ short passes under Colt. With a hopefully improved running game courtesy of Malcolm Brown & CJ at FB, GG won’t have as much pressure to throw constantly. Last year was a team-effort failure. With new coaches and upgrades at RB & WR, UT will be better and the pitchforks & nooses will be put away for GG.
Hook ’em!
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C'mon. Really?
Our WR corp last year as a whole was pretty abysmal compared to years past. Sure we have some young players who have yet to prove themselves but it’s not a reach to project that this new group should be better than last year. At least it looks that way on paper.
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Has anyone actually broken down his interceptions to find out how many of them were actually bad reads or forced passes,
vs the number that were tipped by the receiver or at the line of scrimmage? Granted the tips at the line were partly his fault due to failure to find a throwing lane, but they were also in large part the O-line’s fault. I’d just like to see if presented with those adjusted stats, people would have more patience with Gilbert. Let’s assume we can bring down the interception number to under 15 with some adjusting for wide receiver tips and bad O-line coaching or perforance, then we’re still left with a rather dismal 10 TD passes. Well, let’s look back on the offensive play calling. How many times when we got into the red zone, where Colt threw so many TD passes, did we go to the power running game and try to pound it in instead of rolling Gilbert out and letting try to throw for it? If my memory serves me correctly, the go to red zone call seemed to be Cody Johnson up the middle. So, it stands to reason that if GG isn’t attempting very many passes in the red zone, he isn’t going to throw that many TD passes. Sure, a lot of teams get TD passes on long play-action completions that go for TD’s, but those teams also have a running game to make play action work. Oh, and an O-line that gives the QB enough time to let the receiver get open.
So, without actually having the time to dig up stats (maybe somebody else is on vacation or has a lot of downtime at work and can find them) to adjust the ratio, let’s assume 4 more TD passes throughout the year with a different red zone offensive strategy and 5 fewer interceptions due to tipped passes. That makes the hypothetical TD:INT ratio 14:12. Is anyone calling for GG’s head with that stat line?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
The tips were commonly his fault for not using touch
He liked to bullet just about every pass so all a D-lineman had to do was keep his hands up and it would probably clip a ball.
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I like all the analyzation of GG but his one fault is clear to me:
He is slow & deliberate. His mobility, armstrength, his grasp of the offense, his leadership … are all fine. It’s just that he is slow very slow to make throws – when you compare him with ultra-quick Colt McCoy. That’s what I’m trying to get used to when watching him. His motion is so long & deliberate that the DEs can read it and jump up, the DBs jump routes, and the WRs are waiting in the sweet spot a bit too long that they start hearing footsteps. Whoever is coaching him now – he’s got to work on his mechanics to make him quicker in everything he does. As long as he stays slow & deliberate, he’s going to continue to get eaten alive by defenses.
Hey, HT,
Wouldn’t it be more meaningful if the same adjustments were made for the comparison, whether it’s another QB or a statistical TD:INT?
I would like to see Garrett perform, but I sure wouldn’t wait ‘til the Oklahoma game to give somebody else a chance if he doesn’t.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Jul 14, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I was kind of comparing GG to Colt in 2007 in my head as far as interception count.
Obviously, Colt had more TD passes by far, but the coaches also weren’t deluded by thinking they had a power running game then.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Really, indeed
You’d think that with all the time Mikefag spends here he’d try to keep up.
Please refrain from doing that
You’ve managed to make yourself look worse than him now.
by gwh65 on Jul 14, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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Party-pooper.
I thought Mike was exempt from receiving common courtesy.? (Just kidding, PB)
We lost our top reciever from last year
Goodwin is redshirting to focus on training for the track. All we can hope for WR wise is for Mike Davis and the others to majorly step up their play from last year and work on their hands.
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mike was pretty much our best last year
And he is only going to improve. Going to need more than just him though with goodwin redshirting. Hopefully one of the freshman or Darius white will step it up
by Rocket94 on Jul 14, 2011 2:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
so who are they going to be?
what are the names of the guys who are going to step up and be difference makers?
What's the point in responding to this with names?
You’re trolling at this point and you, and everyone with more than 2 brain cells knows it. He didn’t say “player x” will step up, he merely suggested that it’s not hard to imagine, given last years WR performance, that one or more of the younger receivers will. You’re stretching here just to be an ass. Why?
Considering that we had major problems in all of the three most crucial components of a strong passing game (WR corp, O-line, and QB),
it’s a bit too early to name any specific names of who might step up. The performance of any individual component of the passing game is dependent on the perfomance of the other components/members.
However, we can throw out a couple of names of people who have shown flashes of potential and put some hope in the potential of some incoming freshman, with the caveat that they haven’t shown anything at the collegiate level of play. All that being said, of the returning WR’s, Mike Davis had the best showing last year. Of the incoming freshmen, Jaxon Shipley might be the most exciting in my opinion. Other players who many of us wouldn’t be shocked to see step up, but have no basis for expectation other than recruiting analysis and reports out of practices/scrimmages are Darius White, Desean Hales, and John Harris.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I totally agree.
I didn’t mention him because the dialogue seemed to be limited to dedicated WR’s and it appears MW will be more hybridized.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Jul 15, 2011 5:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The difference between Colt and GG
Colt’s TD:INT ratio was still positive. He may have turned the ball over a lot, but he got it in the end zone too.
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Let me put this out there...
I watched this 30 for 30 the other day about the kid who at the age of 13 dominated the Little League World Series by both pitching and hitting. While that was interesting and all, the most interesting thing happenend a few years later. This kid was held up as the best up and coming baseball propect in America, and EVERYONE was gunning for him. As the years grew on and his competition got better he began to look more and more like a “normal” high school baseball player and never made it to the pros. Basically this kid matured way early for his age at 13 (he was probably closer physically to 15) and was able to dominate a bunch of 12 year olds, while that was impressive his talent and physical abilities did not keep growing along with his age, so as everyone else got better many preceived him as getting worse. This is how I feel about GG, while he was a phenom in high school, after watching him last season (which granted may skew my preception a bit) I honestly beleive that his talent (not physical tools) hasn’t improved in comparison his competition. While he was able to dominate TXHSFB with his physical tools, he hasn’t devoloped the many aspects of his game to a point to be a D1 QB of a perienial top 10 team. I’m not saying we should bench him but I am concerned. I feel that when he gets discouraged he reverts back to his old high school ways of relying on his arm strength and tries to power through the competition which just isn’t enough at this level.
I take a different view
You make a good point, but I think the difference between HS and his production last year have more to do with his high school system combined with the absolute perfect storm of bad situations the team faced. I’m always skeptical of QB’s whose highlights are full of TD throws to wide open WR’s with almost no pressure from the defense (just like RB’s who are constantly running through truck-sized holes) and that is what I saw alot of with Gilbert. Similar to how so many Tech QB’s for a decade looked great but never got more than a sniff from the NFL.
Then of course you had the bad decision to change the offense, bad coaching of that change, bad game plans, bad game day play calling and bad execution.
I don’t think Gilbert would have or will ever live up to the expectations, but I also don’t think he is looked at as a bad QB if UT stays with the Colt-centric offense throughout the last off season.
by Horncasting on Jul 14, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
I saw Gilbert play live only twice while he was at Lake Travis, and both performances were somewhat concerning. While I believe he threw something like only 1 interception in the games combined, he threw about 15 passes that would easily have been intercepted by any competent college secondary, and his accuracy seemed rather poor. In fact, his running skills appeared quite a bit more adept than his passing. I shrugged it off thinking that college scouts must know more than I do about mechanics, and also, perhaps he was making these passes because he knew he could get away with it against these weaker defenses.
But in the back of my mind I was wondering if UT’s interest really came down to his physical appearance, and little else. When Gilbert was in high school he looked like a man playing with children, quite literally. I wondered if that was really what it was all about, that college coaches assumed that surely someone with that kind of physically can be molded into a great quarterback.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 14, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Peter, can you please just put a moratorium on posts about Gilbert?
This topic has been beaten into the ground this off-season and I’m incredibly tired of reading about it. Unless there’s a report on his actual level of play in practice, 7-on-7s, etc., why are we going to continue beating this dead horse?
by TXinDC on Jul 14, 2011 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't object to that
Last year isn’t particularly pertinent to this year, really. The only thing that I worry about for Gilbert is whether he’s too scarred from the experience to make the progress he needs to. Guess we’ll see, and you’re right, it won’t be for several weeks yet.
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Not sure I agree...
Might as well go ahead and put a moratorium on discussing football all together if that’s the rationale. This site has a rich history of prognosticating future success based on past performance. No two seasons folllow the same story arc, but pretending that Gilbert’s past performance isn’t at all relevant to this season is shortsighted in my opinion. The negativity on campus about his sophomore campaign will either fuel him to improve or it will cause him to collapse under the pressure. Yes, in an ideal world if he wins the starting job fans should give him the benefit of the doubt when he takes the field this fall, but in all honesty the rope is going to be short – both in terms of fan support and from the coaching staff. And I’d argue that it should. Other than being a good kid (which he clearly is), Gilbert shouldn’t be given a free pass any more than someone playing middle LB. I hope that he silences every critic this fall, but if it doesn’t work out someone else should get a chance. Not being the starting QB at Texas is not an indictment of character.
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I will put this out there
I do not like any number less than 10. All QBs for Texas should have a number of greater than 10 (given that 10 is no longer an option). It seems to be a bad omen having a number less than 10. Remember Chris Simms.
Greg Davis... Gone!
don't change the QB just his jersey?
I would love to see us give Case the start this season. Since that will not likely happen, I must wish for and hope for the best for GG! Hook’em
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gilbert
Yes, there is a huge difference between colt and GG. That difference is mobiity. Clealy a bad o-line will effect a pocket passer more. I have said this before, but I am hoping for similar situation with GG and carson palmer. Palmer was a 3 yrs starter and bad. Then norm chow came in and he became #1 pick. GG was hearing footsteps last year, if he can find some faith in OL you could see a massive change (if they can block).
by codaxx on Jul 14, 2011 1:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
All the Gilbert Apologists Need to Wake Up
He isn’t the fist 5-star recruit to go bust, and he won’t be the last. Not everyone meets expectations. Last year scarred the kid. Getting thrown back into the lion’s den at K-State after throwing 5 picks has destroyed the kid’s psyche. He will be, at best, an average to decent quarterback in college. I’ve seen plenty of guys like him at other schools. Decent, knows the plays, can do all the throws, but when the chips are down, no one has any confidence in him, much less himself. Mack obliterated whatever chances this kid had of improving as a QB at K-State. That was the worst case of child abuse I’ve ever seen in my life.
I guess I should clarify.
I wasn’t implying that I have no faith in Gilbert or that he’s a lost cause. I think there is some reason to believe that he was simply a system quarterback in high school, because that explains his struggles as well as anything.
The impetus for my post was that I sense that there are two camps with Gilbert — those who believe he is beyond saving and those who believe that much of the blame for 2010 lies with Greg Davis. A poster on this website said that he was getting rid of his Gilbert jersey and I see tons of #7 jerseys at Ross that move slowly. I see the jerseys on the racks at Academy and I think, “How many people are going to want to jump on the Gilbert bandwagon right now?”
Also, I was being a little bit facetious.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jul 15, 2011 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
I noticed the jerseys at Academy as well.
They have #7 and #1. I guess Mike Davis is expected to make big things happen or Keenan Robinson. The beauty of the dual numbers.
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