Texas A&M, Oklahoma Throw Smart Counterpunch at Texas, LHN
by Peter Bean on Jul 20, 2011 10:28 PM CDT
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According to a Matt Hayes Sporting News story, Texas A&M and Oklahoma are serious about leaving for the SEC if some of their concerns about the soon-to-launch Longhorn Network persist:
"A source told Sporting News on Wednesday that both Texas A&M and Oklahoma are so concerned about rival Texas gaining a recruiting advantage with the newly formed Longhorn Network, the two institutions could turn to the SEC if the problems can't be figured out. The core issue: The Longhorn Network will televise live high school football games in the state of Texas, an obvious recruiting advantage for Texas."
There are two important points to make about this story: First, this is a nuclear option threat, not an actual work-in-progress. Second, it's a very smart counter-move by whoever is behind it -- A&M, Oklahoma, or both.
On the first point, it remains the case that -- whatever the fantasies of many A&M fans -- both Texas A&M and Oklahoma are (at least in the short-term) in much too solid a position with the Big 12-2 to have suddenly made an about-face and arrived at the decision that it's in their best interests to move to the SEC. They knew that Texas was going to launch its own network when they signed on to the Big 12-2, and absolutely nothing fundamental has changed since the conference realignment brouhaha last summer. Setting aside the Aggies' posturing, there were sound reasons that Oklahoma stood firmly by Texas's side during the conference realignment drama, and nothing has happened since then altering those fundamental reasons.
The one and only thing that has changed has been the recent discussion that Texas might carry live high school football games. And particularly disconcerting if you're a fan of A&M or Oklahoma have been the recent remarks by Dave Brown, ESPN Vice President for Programming, in which he excitedly yammered about delivering live high school football games involving recruits of particular interest to Texas, such as Jonathan Gray and Connor Brewer. That was a mistake, both because if enacted it would (fairly) be perceived as an enormous recruiting advantage for Texas, and even if televising Texas recruits was never the plan the remarks fueled the perception that the Longhorn Network is going to be a source of enormous, unacceptable advantage for UT.
That brings us to the second point: floating this threat was a strong, well-played move. To begin with, it was particularly smart to feed the threat to Hayes during SEC media days, a veritable media frenzy attended by virtually everyone with meaningful college football coverage. Even if Texas A&M and Oklahoma have no intention of going anywhere, the story will get huge play for the next several days in Birmingham.
The upshot is that it's now a hot story, and now that it's a hot story, Texas A&M and Oklahoma don't have to be the ones pointing at the LHN's plans to cover high school games while hoping for the best. Now the media will do that work for them, spotlighting the issue and putting the heat on Deloss Dodds to account for the plans. Texas was still feeling its way through this possibility; they won't have that luxury any more. Without a firm grasp on how they want to broadcast high school football (if at all), Dodds and Texas have no choice but to back off the idea -- either completely, or at least for the time being. The odds of the LHN broadcasting high school football games this fall probably just went from fair to zero.
Finally, and perhaps the most important aspect of this story in terms of what's ahead, this was a smart play because -- whether they collaborated or not -- this threat uses Oklahoma and Texas A&M as a tandem to amplify leverage. It will be interesting to see what Texas's two main rivals take from this going forward, and if they figure out how to continue using that advantage to further their own interests as well as Texas has used its own advantages to further its own. That levels the playing field significantly, forcing Texas to be a good bit more deferential and cooperative than it otherwise would have to be if it were assured to remain coupled with Oklahoma.
Given how last season's realignment negotiations played out, I can't help but think that that has not changed, but it is absolutely wise for Oklahoma and/or A&M to strategically plant some seeds of doubt. On that count, today's threat is the best counter-move to Texas by A&M and Oklahoma that we've seen to date. At least as a short-term play, it brings us to the table as more interested collaborators. What all this says about the long-term viability of the conference is another thing, but score this one for Texas's rivals for now, and don't expect to see any high school football on LHN this fall.
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Bebee just told Dodds to Stand Down
You’re painted in a corner. If the LHN gets what they want, A&M and possibly OU are gone.
If the LHN doesn’t get what it wants, the subscription rate will be greatly diminished.
But I have faith — no way you will lose at Chess with Farmers.
But farmers have pitchforks
Those hurt.
by iamjackburton on Jul 20, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I mistaken...
or don’t both of them need their respective state legislator’s approval to move? And that’s extremely unlikely to happen right? I get why they would do this but isn’t it an empty threat?
you are overlooking one key factor
the aggies say since the Governor is a aggie it wont matter what the Legislature says because apparently Rick Perry is a Aggie Dictator that can make it happen with the snap of his fingers
formerly "Horns102591"
"A prophet is generally not loved in his hometown"
He sure as hell won’t be loved in Austin if this happens. LOL
Seriously, I’m actually warming to the idea of getting OU and Aggies out of my life.
Don't be such a baby.
i dont wanna lose OU
but seriously if they wanna give us a ultimatum i say we stand up to the Evil Empire and say fine go ahead tie yourself to a anchor that has “A&M” written on the side of it
formerly "Horns102591"
You lose both of those schools
Who can we really count on for a great game every year? Some traditions must be kept.
TEXAS FIGHT
rick perry, the aggie
FWIW, Perry is in an interesting spot with atm administration. he’s been advocating a series of statewide HiEd fiscal reforms and atm has essentially served as the epicenter for the potential experiment. suffice to say, i’m not sure exactly where Perry is at right now with the current faculty. my guess is that his reform ideas are at least acceptable to the current BOR.
also worth considering: Perry can’t do this with the wave of a wand. it would have to be vetted in legislative session. we’re done with special sessions…and with Perry fixing to throw his hat in the ring for Prez and Dewhurst running for KBH’s seat, we sure as shit aren’t about to convene a special session to let the ags kick out to the SEC.
Chairman Branch was all over the big 12 destruction talk last summer. they had an interim hearing scheduled that was ultimately called off. Zaffirini wields an arguably larger stick on the Senate side and has been absolutely cast as a UT homer over the last few months.
assuming this does need legislative ratification, it ain’t about to happen any time soon.
If I remember correctly
his reforms have put aTm’s Tier 1 status in jeopardy? Seems like they got a warning letter not too long ago?
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
And my impression...
…from what I’ve read is that OSU is tied closer to OU than either A&M or Tech is to us, politically speaking. And don’t forget, either, the millions T. Boone has given us in addition to his alma mater.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 20, 2011 11:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a very good point
But in the case of the move, it probably shifts the landscape back into super conference mode which would probably mean UT, A&M, OU, and OSU would be looking to move to the SEC. It would be one of the best moves for UT at that point and it would satisfy the legislatures of both states for the most part granted Tech and Baylor would be utterly screwed.
TEXAS FIGHT
I do not want SEC
Just for the sheer argument with Tennessee Fans over who the real Orange and White UT team is that will happen at every turn.
Don't be scared..
it’s only 1794 v. 1883, 6 Football National Championships (for Tennessee, versus Texas’ 4), and you can forget starting your own network, claiming that ugly brown color is “orange”, or that the “UT” monicker somehow represents Texas while you’re at it.
THEN, you’re welcome to join the best football conference and competition in the nation.
by SouthernDCist on Jul 26, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, if it werent for TENNESSEE VOLUNTEERS, TEXAS would ber part of MEXICO! WE ARE UT! Texas is a WANNABE!
by VOLFAN-THE REAL UT! on Aug 13, 2011 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct
And that’s key here, and gets at the first of my two points. Nothing has changed in many of the most important regards that makes it any more likely that OU is interested/willing/able to do this.
With that said, it is of benefit to Oklahoma (and anyone else trying to limit Texas’s competitive advantage) to plant a kernel of doubt on the matter. Because however unlikely a TAMU-OU tandem defection to the SEC, it’s about the worst option for Texas that’s out there. It’s smart to try — however hard a sell it might be — to put the worst option for us into play.
You ain't hurt...
That said
We just need to go “all in,” call the bluff, and stop the drama. We are doing the LSN with or without them, so let’s quit feeding the tantrums and see where they really stand.
Don't be such a baby.
My money says
If push comes to shove, OU checks out the Pac-12 first.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions
How does it not?
Seems like OU went to the SEC for leverage. If OU wants to leave the conference, they are smart enough to explore all of their options, and it would be just plain easier to go undefeated in the Pac-12
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Alone?
Or even with OSU? Surely you don’t think OU wants to play all its road games, in some years and all but one in other years, in the pacific time zone. That just makes no sense. OU to the Pac 12 with UT, Tech, and (???) makes complete sense as you could from an eastern division. OU (and even OSU) by themselves makes no sense. I actually find it so ridiculous that I must be missing a key point of yours.
Pac 12 is better than $EC for OU
It would give OU standing with the California recruits (Stills and Jefferson type guys) and also they would be competing against lesser power schools. Plus, the $EC is not a rapidly expanding media market, whereas Texas and west is expanding so in the long run it is a more fertile ground. OU to SEC makes no sense, imo.
Don't be such a baby.
Wrangler gets it.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure OU
is doing just fine with their recruiting. Fine enough even that they may not want to go the conference that would probably pay less and cost more to play in.
A valid point about the media markets out west and yet we’re not talking about OU moving to the rust belt here.
Not sure Pac12 takes OU & OSU without UT or A&M
UT was the crown jewel of the Pac16 plan. Certainly OU is one of the all-time great programs. I’m just not sure the Pac12 is ready to make a move that includes OSU unless UT is involved. This might be related to both academics and markets.
by Maroon Baboon on Jul 21, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think doubt is really the only thing this yields
Sowing uncertainty is their main play right now, and I don’t think they have the capital to move forward with the threatened scenarios. If there were to, that would be bad for Texas, but not disastrous.
I think the question remains whether the SEC would really be interested in aggie. From how it appeared last year, the love was plainly unrequited.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
BYU is not on our schedule by accident
I suspect that Dodds is about 5 moves ahead of the farmers.
My money is that Stoops won’t compete in the $EC. If OU does go to the $EC Stoops is going to tOSU.
Aggies can try to keep pulling OU in to the be their new “big brother,” but in the end OU will more likely stay as the other powerhouse leader of the Big XII-II; provided they are getting their own network deal lined up.
If Aggies leave we are fine. It ruins Thanksgiving day fun, but that is about it. .
If Aggie, OU, OSU and Mizzou leave, the Big XII-VI will be our own little conference.
We can go to the Big 10, but God forbid, the idea of pounding on Nebraska some more is getting boring. Also, I don’t want to be near tOSU and their burning couches and lousy crappy fans. At least we would be with respectable academic schools.
The other option—which is what we probably have in play—is to simply go independent. It has worked for Notre Dame. Or, we could invite teams like TCU, UH, SMU, Rice, and/or BYU to basically revive our little old Southwest Conference. Wouldn’t that be fun. We would be strong contenders for BCS bowl games every year.
Don't be such a baby.
Burning couches I believe is a West Virginia tradition
but yes I would want to have to deal with tOSU fans as least as possible as well
Columbus-2005
After we kicked some buckeye butt they were torching couches like the fourth of July. And throwing beers and other objects at Texas fans. It was very ugly. They are terrible. (And I am from OH and grew up a huge Archie Griffin fan, etc.) Now I hate them.
Don't be such a baby.
The automatic qualifiers change every so often
As soon as the time was up to change AQ status of the conferences, our lil special conference would probably lose that.
TEXAS FIGHT
The NCAA has been dodging that bullet for years
They know it.
They have been lucky and showed their hand with Notre Dame. They certainly KNOW that they would lose that fight against Texas. Imagine an undeafeted Texas not getting the MNC game, no matter who we play as long as it is Div. 1 teams.
Don't be such a baby.
If you were going to link something this big
would you give it to Matt Hayes?
Like The Joker, I want to watch it all burn.
I have nothing to ask but that you would remove to the other side, that you may not, by intercepting the sunshine, take from me what you cannot give.
Along with the supposed, rumored, might-could-be issue
of a Big 12-minus-2-minus-UT Network, it sounds like several schools are firing shots across the bow. That’s fine.
Aggie needs us more than we need them. Blow-U needs us more than we need them. OU probably can’t go anywhere without taking Oklahoma State along for the ride, and I have big-time doubts the SEC wants the Cowboys. I’m not sure the Texas legislature lets Aggie leave (knowing UT would go independent), which would leave Tech and Baylor out in the cold.
As for HSFB on the Net this fall, that’s on ESPN and not UT. I suspect ESPN will go forward with showing HS games (maybe not this season, but soon). About all ESPN has to do is show some games that DO NOT have a player committed to UT.
And, yep, as some of us have suspected for some time — Notre Dame and BYU appearing on future Longhorn schedules has planted a seed of its own.
I think that's probably right
The idiot at ESPN who got over-excited and tied the high school football games to UT recruits blew up what at least had the potential to be a workable approach. But that approach is miles apart from a “channel devoted to helping UT winning recruiting battles,” which is the perception it was crucial to make sure didn’t prosper. But they botched it, and badly so.
You ain't hurt...
The idoit at ESPN
Please don’t distance yourself from Mr. Brown. He is Vice President of Programming for the Longhorn Network. UT and ESPN are now the same vis-a-vis the LHN.
Wait, they're collaborating on media, and that makes them the same entity?
Sounds logical enough.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
How would joining the SEC end Texas' recruiting advantage?
Someone needs to tell the Aggies and Sooners that leaving for the SEC doesn’t mean the schools will physically leave. They’ll remain in this region, and we’ll continue our recruiting advantage, amused as they try to sell their perennially 9-3 (OU) and 6-6 (A&M) programs to recruits.
Any advocate of this move who denies such action would be inspired more by spite than pragmatism is delusional.
This is the question I keep asking
I am the furthest thing from a recruiting junkie, but my impression from 10,000 feet is that those who get into the recruiting weeds often get too bogged down in said weeds. There’s only a finite number of top high school players in the state whom we can sign. We will continue to get our share. And if OU and A&M joining the SEC supposedly open up the state to a greater extent for SEC schools (again, as proposition I don’t take too seriously), I think the redistribution of where those other top recruits wind up will be to the detriment of other schools, not UT.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 20, 2011 11:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
“We will continue to get our share”
I don’t think that’s how A&M is looking at it. Instead of selling the Big XII, they’d be selling the SEC which just about everyone seems to acknowledge is a better “product.”
I think the Aggies think they’d start grabbing top 10 recruiting classes, somewhat at the expense of Texas.
You also have to take into account
When OU and Texas were in separate conferences, OU still got a fair enough share to win 6 National Titles.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're forgetting something
If Aggie and OU left, that basically kills the Big 12-2 leaving the conference at 8 teams which means we’re in a completely undesirable conference. That pushes recruits their way and towards the SEC which would gain recruiting in the region.
Add those factors all together and it’ll seriously impact the quality of our recruiting.
TEXAS FIGHT
And how does the move help OU and Aggie recruit?
Maybe the idea is that without them, the Big 12 becomes less attractive to recruits and maybe some kids would prefer to join them in the SEC. But if Big 12 collapses and Texas forms a new superconference, where would they be?
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Or if Texas goes independent.
These AD’s must be aware that Texas wields enough power to be able to better its position in almost any set of circumstances, whether that means joining the Pac-16 or setting up shop on its own. Its as if the Ags really believe this move will sink the Longhorns. It won’t.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 21, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No way OU would say goodbye to the RRS.
And if you read Dodd’s comments on ESPN, he said that The University will in no way, shape, or form be involved with the high school games which includes no Longhorn related ads during the broadcast.
Hook Em Horns!
Let them play the farmers on Thanksgiving
I’m so tired of the whining. We can play Notre Dame.
Don't be such a baby.
by Wrangler86 on Jul 20, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Isn't there a Catholic holiday and that date?
I jest. Actually, that would be awesome beyond all belief.
Hook Em Horns!
Notre Dame one day, BYU the next, TCU after that...
Now that would be an incredible schedule instead of having to sit through another Turkey day with the Farmers. UGH. Some traditions need to die.
by iamjackburton on Jul 20, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
From C&C Machine
Sooner Blog is reporting a link from Dallas News that LHN and Texas are backing off showing HS Football this year already in order to get some more clarity. I think we shoudl go forward as planned and let the other teams do what they want.
But, we better make sure the NCAA is on board because the relationships do raise some issues. However, these are issues that other schools will be pursuing shortly also so the NCAA just needs to catch up to the media folks.
Don't be such a baby.
From the gist of Dodd's statement, the NCAA is in the loop.
Interpreting that is up for grabs.
Hook Em Horns!
i say we call their bluff
the OU fanbase wont tolerate an ending of the Red River Shootout and the Aggies? well let them go play in the SEC let them see how much recruits want to go to teams that are struggling to beat Miss State (No offense coach Diaz).
Texas can get by without either of them. replace OU with Notre Dame a team that has ended our hopes of Titles at least once and replace A&M with either TCU or Arkansas. (not in the sense of add them to a conference i mean add them to the schedule on Thanksgiving)
the only one id be truly crushed to see go would be OU because damn i love the Red River Shootout and i wouldnt ever want to see it end but if they wanna stand up on the table and give us an ultimatum i say we sit back and say “Do it” lets see how fast OU realizes that tying its fate to the Aggies is a bad idea and i say we let the Aggies go from mediocrity to complete utter failures in the SEC (do any of us really think they will be successful in the SEC?)
seriously i think Deloss should just sit back and let them do what they want. i bet the President of OU will realize in a hurry that being tied to A&M might not be the best thing for OU
formerly "Horns102591"
I agree
We should call OU’s bluff.
Because—-wait for it—-
Stoops won’t do it. No way in hell is Stoops going to be the $EC’s whipping boy. Aggies are fine with it because they are easy that way, but Stoops isn’t going to be a small fish in a tiny land locked pond competing with Gulf Coast Gators, Tides, Dawgs and Tigers. If OU goes I guarantee Stoops will be tOSU’s new head coach. Either way, we win.
Don't be such a baby.
yea no joke
say what you will about Stoops but he aint no dummy. yea OU would win the SEC this year but what about next year? they lose a lot of great players what then?
formerly "Horns102591"
Not so sure chOkelahoma wins sec
Alabama ain’t goin nowhere and the speed O that ou plays would not match up well with that sec D, just ask Florida a few hrs ago.
by dukeoforange on Jul 21, 2011 7:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There's a lot of SEC love going on here
I think just about everyone’s overrating the hell out of it.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
this is congruent
with Stoops’ past behavior, as well as the reasoning we’ve been fed regarding it.
Stoops tends to get offered (allegedly) nearly every marquee position that comes available, and yet he stays at Oklahoma, presumably because he sits in a perfect situation as a college coach: having both a powerful reputation and an easy schedule. If Stoops wanted a move to the SEC, he’d have done it years ago.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 21, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Stoops is arrogant enough to do it
If he really believes in his coaching, he’ll make the jump.
TEXAS FIGHT
If A&M and OU leave the Big 12
kiss your national championship hopes goodbye.
No one is going to invite the champion of texas and the seven dwarfs conference to play for it all.
Dodds knows this, which is why he is backing down.
we could easily leave, go indp, and get at least as good a deal, if not better than ND...
by vanterminatorhorn on Jul 21, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Texas already have a better deal than ND, even with not being an indie?
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
keep believing that
Y’all aren’t in a position to go independent yet, while A&M and OU are in a position where they could leave. This is precisely why Dodds backed down.
I'm still not convinced OU could leave without OSU.
It would be interesting to see if A&M were allowed to go – because that would likely leave Tech and Baylor out.
by Texas Wahoo on Jul 21, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i was looking for someone to say it...
…or else i would have..
i am so sick of this bitching an whining and crying that EVERYONE does against us, whether its A&M or OU or Neb or OSU. They whine, whine, whine.
Hell some of these bitches should remember that when conference realignment was being talked about, we told them we have their back and it was us who could get them a good place, based on what we brought to the table.
So you know what, this time, I say, F it, do your worst!
If these guys go to SEC, and even if the Big12-2 collapses, we will be fine going independent. if ND can do it, hell yes we can do it. You never know what the future holds, but it looks bright right now. We have never been dependent on conference money, hell we have been the reason some schools get paid. So the hell with being the nice guy and helping others out. Let people fend for themselves and let us care about our own!
by vanterminatorhorn on Jul 21, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Initial reaction...
…without dwelling on it too much is similar to what I’ve expressed before about A&M’s threats to leave: stay, go, whatever, I don’t give a fuck. And if OU (aren’t they looking at their own network right now as well?!?) wants to start playing that whiny game too, allegedly, then they can stay, go, whatever too. I would continue not to give a fuck.
OU and A&M do not dictate what the University of Texas does.
Even if they left, we would continue to have options, and attractive ones at that: the Pac, um, 13; the Big 10; and independence.
I have, in the past, questioned the viability of independence, but, if this alleged tantrum – excuse me, threat – is being reported accurately, and OU and A&M are threatening to bail over the advantages we’d be receiving because of the LSN, then my confidence in Texas thriving as an independent has just shot way, way up. The LSN is really going to give us that much of a competitive advantage that even the up-to-now self-confident Sooners are scared? Then ¡Viva Independence! if it comes to that. We’ll do just fine in that scenario, apparently.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!!!!!!
seriously if they wanna pull this stunt lets have a Longhorn Independence Rally at the Alamo
formerly "Horns102591"
Sort of, but it's slightly more complicated than that, imo
To some extent, you’re right: Texas is interested in dictating and doesn’t “need” Texas A&M or Oklahoma.
With that said, the long-term end results for Texas fall along a spectrum, and I would argue that at the very edge of the worst-case scenario side of that spectrum is: Texas A&M and Oklahoma both going to the SEC, and doing so on an accelerated timeline (in the next 1-2 years).
I don’t think it’s enough to say that all points on the spectrum are acceptable insofar as Texas can be successful in any case. The difference in benefit among the range of possibilities is substantial, enough so that we should care about it and not be flippant about how things shake out. The object of the game should be to maximize our value, and Texas A&M and Oklahoma prematurely bolting for the SEC is far from optimal.
That scenario hardly dooms Texas, but it crimps a number of our advantages in ways we should care about.
You ain't hurt...
Agreed to a certain extent Peter
However, Texas is too close to broadcasting high school games this fall to turn back. Texas has been working on the LHN for years, some media posturing by OU and Aggie won’t stop Texas now. If the NCAA clears it, Texas will move forward with broadcasting high school games. Beebe said as much. My understanding is that the LHN was very close to finalizing and signing deals to broadcast 18 high school games this fall, starting with Lamar Consolidated vs Brenham in Week 1.
I’d remind everyone that OU and Aggie both signed off on the Big 12-2 with the understanding that Texas would launch it’s own network. They underestimated the network and now they want to cry about it. Never underestimate DeLoss Dodds.
I’m to the point where I want Texas to go independent. I am tried of this conference socialism bull s***. Baylor, KU, KSU ISU have made millions, and millions of dollars off of Texas, and what has Texas gotten out of it? Other than a conference identity and some uninteresting games on the schedule. Now that Texas has the LHN, DeLoss holds the hammer to go independent. Yes there’s some issues with going independent, but imagine a Texas Football program with better games on the schedule, much more TV revenue, and no bowl money redistribution. That’s a world I want to live in.
Better yet, if Aggie and OU leave the conference, Texas wins the PR war. Texas could reasonably say they didn’t break up the conference, Aggie and OU did. This would give Texas the PR leverage to go independent.
Embrace Independence Longhorn Nation.
billfromlaketravis (Austin Pace)
Please follow me on Twitter @BFLT_at_BON
by billfromlaketravis on Jul 20, 2011 11:10 PM CDT reply actions
Also...
…let’s start embracing these truths and shout it at the top of our lungs to high school football players around the state:
UT wants your games to be televised nationally. A&M does not.
UT wants you to receive national exposure. A&M does not.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 20, 2011 11:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Well said
billfromlaketravis (Austin Pace)
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by billfromlaketravis on Jul 20, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopkins Horn, You Mean
UT wants to televise the games of a select few of you. 99% of the NCAA does not.
UT wants a few of you to receive exposure to some die-hard Longhorn fans. 99% of the NCAA does not.
bravo
I was not an independent fan, but now I am. Screw OU. Adios Aggies.
I want Texas High School football televised. If A&M and OU do not then they aren’t football fans and they are invited to leave the conference. Texas is football….and we will televise it at all levels whether the whiners want it or not.
Don't be such a baby.
just who the hell does A&M think they are?
giving an ultimatum to THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS??? yea thats smart cause we dont have other options just waiting for us
formerly "Horns102591"
Arrogant ass
you are simply PISSED because for the first time, someone is telling TEXAS to FUCK OFF! you bastards think you are so shit hot! When is the last time you BEAT THE SEC in a BOWL GAME!? Arkansas leaves, you form the so called Big 12. now A&M is leaving, whatcha gonna do, go Independant? you look like the last kid picked to play dodgeball on the school recess grounds! You guys are pathetic and the entire football nation Knows it!
by VOLFAN-THE REAL UT! on Aug 13, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Be careful
See my response to Hopkins, above.
That we can go independent successfully, does NOT mean that it optimal, and particularly not in a scenario where Texas A&M and OU were to prematurely bolt for the SEC. That puts us on our heels, not in the driver’s seat.
You ain't hurt...
Not sure how you remain a clear thinker
Among all your readers’ rants, but you’re doing it.
Quick question, I’m pretty sure I posted this somewhere else, though not in the form of a question. Texas says “Sorry guys, we’re moving forward.” A&M rages and immediately seeks SEC acceptance. What do you see OU doing here? I’m thinking OU most likely negotiates with the Pac-10 as a first option. I could see backing off and bargaining with UT on, well, something. And also the SEC blah blah. And should all this happen, do you think both school will attempt to keep the RRR?
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think y'all will do everything possible to keep the RRS
Too much money involved with required donations to both athletic departments to let that game go.
I see OU and Texas as being partners in this
Which is (one of the reasons) why the threat of a tandem departure is not the real issue here.
The real issue here is getting Texas to be more co-equal and collaborative with its crucial partners, and though I cannot fathom to predict what Aggies will do, I imagine that Texas won’t do anything to run off Oklahoma, and that this kind of posturing (threat of a tandem defection) is useful in keeping Texas from losing sight of that.
You ain't hurt...
Somebody give PB a raise
You always come through with facts and level headed observations. How you calmly deal with the sheep err sheer retardedness of beergut et all is amazing.
by dukeoforange on Jul 21, 2011 7:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If Texas A&M and Oklahoma leave over the Longhorn Network, it's 98% Texas' fault.
I’ve got nothing against UT, but you are totally mistaken to think Texas wins the PR war if four of the top five football schools have left the conference to get away from them. But screw PR: even then you could go independent and make buckets of money.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
I honestly think you want us to leave
The conference so you can win the PR war and go independent. I think you want independence more than anything and pushing the envelope was a planned way to force our hand.
by miketag on Jul 21, 2011 5:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
evidently
your administration is absolutely terrified of looking bad. one little CFB News article results in A&M and OU saying jump, and Deloss responding with “how high?”
oh get over yourself
i wish you’d go to the SEC so we’d never have to hear you cry about how unfair Texas is
formerly "Horns102591"
which arent doing
and wont start doing. A&M saying another team might cheat yea thats funny as ive said before. pot meet kettle
formerly "Horns102591"
Again
you are being a compulsive liar. You don’t even have the first clue how television revenue for high schools would be used nor do you know just how insignificant of an amount they would actually get.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Close
I’d prefer if just you and beerbutt would leave.
by dukeoforange on Jul 21, 2011 7:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I wish we would go Independent
And just schedule anyone we want instead of having to play the Kansas’s, the Baylor’s, and the other dregs of the Big 12. I don’t understand this suffocating need to hold onto games with the Aggies or Sooners every year. I would rather play Penn State or Ohio State or USC, or the Boise and TCU’s of the world instead of having to sit through another unGodly game against the Pirates or the Farmers.
as the old saying goes
“if you give a mouse a cookies he’s gonna want a glass of milk”
if we give up on the High School Games we have set the precedent that if A&M and OU threaten to go to the SEC we will cave. i guarantee you if we do this, this will not be their last demand whats next? “we dont like the LHN get rid of it or we’ll go to the SEC?” seriously cave on this and we will be getting one demand after another.
formerly "Horns102591"
Something tells me that DeLoss understands this
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by billfromlaketravis on Jul 20, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh
I’m calling “Little boy who cried wolf” on this one. It works this once, but (hopefully) both programs aren’t stubborn enough to keep trying it.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha
Oklahoma, then.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont think OU is dumb enough to pull this stunt
by that i mean if Texas sat back and said “do it” i think OU would back away from the ledge but A&M….no they’d jump
formerly "Horns102591"
I really think UT will get everything DeLoss Wants
You win, and A&M leaves.
Color it how you want, but I think that’s what happens. No way DeLoss gets held hostage and no way Aggies stay hooked to Bevo.
Agree
Although his attempts to distance the school from ESPN in the network are interesting. Maybe he is trying to set up a future defense to NCAA investigations.
by miketag on Jul 21, 2011 5:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering Texas has lots of lawyers involved and is dotting every "i" along the way...
…investigations just aren’t going to happen. They’re being perfectly open with everything, every step of the way. If the NCAA nixes something, they won’t do it. If the NCAA doesn’t nix something, they’ll do it, and the NCAA will be unable to penalize for action it has sanctioned.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I am talking about a few years in the future
Not today or tomorrow. Only reason I can think of for someone to distance themsevles publicly from a business partner like that.
Only a zealot would think that.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
okay, then explain his strategy there
what could be his motive fro attempting to distance himself and his school from a company that is paying it $15 million per year and BTW is a great brand to most sports fans?
because he opened his big mouth
and because he exaggerated how the airing of High School Games will be done
formerly "Horns102591"
Isnt it more than
aTm and OU going to the SEC? Wouldnt the SEC have to add 2 more schools to have equal numbers in the divisions? What other 2 schools in/around the area are dumb enough to move to a conference that they have no chance in? Do you think Va Tech would leave the top of the ACC to go to bein a middle dog in the SEC? Id like to believe that no one from the Big 10 is gonna go and the Big East is terrible. I agree with whoever said the OU and OSU are pretty mich a package deal. aTm needs to realize that ALOT has to happen for them to go to the SEC, they cant just up and go.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 AM CDT reply actions
The leavers are looking at Mizzou
But Mizzou is a good school and has strong academic standards.
If the BigXII-II folds and the $EC goes to a 16 team megaconference Mizzou would much rather be part of the Big 10 mega-conference with other academically inclinded schools rather than the $ec with its lack thereof.
Don't be such a baby.
that still leaves
the SEC needing one school and if Mizzou goes to the Big 10, then they are going to need more schools. These conferences are goin to have to be either 12 or 16 teams if they want equal divisions. If thats the case everyoone (SEC,ACC, Pac12, Big10, Big12, Big East) should disband and start over
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jul 21, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
just a thot
We know OSU and OU are linked. While it isn’t the best case, but wouldn’t you all just laugh if ou and osu made the jump and left aggie out..
by codaxx on Jul 21, 2011 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think Clemson might be an option
I highly doubt UNC would leave the other NC schools, but Clemson would be a prime candidate.
Off the top of my head, I think Clemson, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech would be excellent fits for the SEC. Mizzou less so, but they’re in the neighborhood.
The SEC could take aggie and Okie, going to 14, and shift someone like Auburn to the SEC East. That’d obviously require arranging annual out-of-division matchups, because there’s no way Auburn and Alabama would want to stop playing annually.
Another option would include taking Mizzou, Okie, Aggie, and someone else (Okie Lite), then shifting both Alabama schools to the East.
The most explosive move would be to add 3-4 Big 12-2 schools plus an equal number of schools from the eastern region, like VT, Clemson, and WV.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
are Va Tech and WVU
ballsy enough to go from top of the ACC and Big East to middle of the road SEC, with less chance at a BCS game, as well as conference championship. Sure they’d get more money but thats about it
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jul 21, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess OU and aggie are a little different in that regard
OU could compete in the SEC. Aggie would probably do no better, and possibly worse.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The obvious add is Texas
They’d pull extremely hard to get Texas to join and void the LHN. It would create a conference absolutely unrivaled by any other.
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thats still 14 teams
Dont they need an even number of teams in each division?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jul 21, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
+2 - 1 = 1
Moving one over to the other division leaves two 7 team divisions. Why would you need an even number of teams per division? When did that become a stipulation? It’s just commonly viewed to be better at 16 or 12, so unless someone can actually say otherwise, I don’t see why not.
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i always thought
it had to be even numbers in the divisions. So when conference play starts all the West teams can be playing West teams, instead of 3 teams playing West opponents and 1 team playing an East
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jul 21, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's an issue, although it's certainly a bigger issue to have equal divisions
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Jul 21, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Slive and the $EC are smoking wacky stuff
http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/2011%20SEC%20Media%20Days/2011-sec-media-days
He proposes that admissions standards be raised from a 2.0 gpa to 2.5. Hilarious, the $EC proposing to the rest of college football that academic standards need to be raised. He also proposes 4 year scholarships rather than 1 year deals. That didn’t even fly with his own schools and coaches. He appears to be completely out in left even in his own conference. So, I’m not sure that any of this aggie to SEC thing has any basis in reality.
Don't be such a baby.
The only thing that angers me more than the Aggies and Sooners in this...
is idiot Texas fans who cheer fucking over everybody else in the Big 12 in the interest of “rational” self-interest. I hate that philosophy more than I can express with words and it disgusts me. How dare you disrespect the Big 12 like that. How dare you make us look bad like that. We need to back off. Don’t show high school games on the LHN, now or ever. I don’t want to win if it’s not a fair fight. I can’t help but think ESPN is the one behind this disgusting display of hedonism. As for Texas A&M, if we abandon this idea and they still leave for whatever reason, I would be in favor of never playing them again. The ultimate betrayal cannot be tolerated.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
by LookinForIt on Jul 21, 2011 1:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
im not for screwing over the rest of the conference
but when teams start issuing ultimatums to my team i tend to get a little aggressive who is A&M to issue an ultimatum to Texas? we should go through with it now simply because they tried this little stunt
formerly "Horns102591"
You came on a little strong
But you’re seeing from Sooner and Aggy angles. If LHN starts showing HSFB games, that’s a colossal recruiting advantage that no other school can touch. Kids tuning into the LHN to see themselves play on tv with longhorn programs before and after their game, not to mention the commercials? Defend it how you may, that’s a lot of burnt orange exposure for potential top flight recruits.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions
but
Texas already has consistan top 5 recruiting classes. They arent getting more scholarships than any other school. How much of an advantage can this really be?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Jul 21, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
LHN could've made the difference in the recruitments
Of players like Tommie Harris, Adrian Peterson, and Jamarkus McFarland, just to name a few examples.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It still could.
Not sure if showing their high school games is really that much more important than showing them constantly once they’re in college.
This exactly
The high school games are small potatoes that far few fans will watch or care about watching for anything but highlights of the kids heading to the next level.
TEXAS FIGHT
Not sarcasm.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
We need more Longhorn fans like this
This arrogant, “how dare they ask us to play on equal footing,” reaction is totally unjustified, pompous, and classless. We should have been trying to get a Big 12 network in the first place rather than just one for our own school. That would have solidified the Big 12 as a conference schools desire.
TEXAS FIGHT
by Darklust on Jul 21, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But BCS schools wouldn't desire it, because it would not pay out nearly as much as the other conference networks.
Few Big XII teams have valuable 3rd tier rights (as compared to the Big Ten, for instance).
If we had a Big XII network that paid every school 3 million, would that be better than a Longhorn network that paid Texas 15 million?
comical...
all these comments about going independent are so short sighted they could only be thought up by a whorn. What all of you fail to acknowledge… well, other than bean, is that if OU and aTm go to the SEC than it would force a shift in numbers from the PAC12 and Big10. Super conferences would become a reality over night. Independents would cease to exist. ND would join the Big10, the Mormons would go west and you, well… you would be left holding the bag.
I am not insinuating that you would be left out… hell, any conference commissioner turning UT down would certifiable but if you think that after causing Armageddon that they would allow you to bring your channel with you… well, your dumber than you already look.
So lets recap, you lose your channel anyways and you are now in a new conference with no natural rivals (that’s less money for those of you who can’t keep up). Oh wait, that is unless of course you (gulp) swallow your pride and “follow your kid brothers” to SEC country. Yeah! that’ll show’m who’s boss!
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
You are simply clueless
And the hilarity of it all is that ou has legitimate reasons for not wanting to show Texas HS games on LHN. Hell, that IS their recruiting base and without Texas kids they are no better than Tulane!
"you can't be a great defense in a casual manner!" Manny Diaz
ummm...
What does that have to do with anything I just wrote? You must be too quick for me. You are clearly gleaning some of those subtle subliminal undertones that I was unaware I was even asserting…
But to your off the wall point, err… jab? I take no issue with us pillaging the great state of Texas. We do take a sizable share of your talent north but once we get it we actually do something with it. Our product speaks for itself… yours not so much. You have a better the best recruiting pool in the country, kids that want nothing more would give their right arm to don the burnt orange and plenty of more money than any other university in the country. You still can’t win. Personally I would be embarrassed not bragging but ehh… I guess it all goes back to that "higher education." No?
Sorry but I’m fine with being the kid brother if said child is the parents pride and joy because they can just tell… “that kids just plain better.”
and joy because everyone can see “ehh, that kids just plain better.”
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
meh,
there were supposed to be some strike through marks in there but i guess they didn’t take…
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
Texas will never be left holding the bag
Most conferences would drop an existing member before passing up the opportunity to add Texas. We will never be without options.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 21, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas will always be left holding the bag.
We’re talking about the big bag of money, right?
by Texas Wahoo on Jul 21, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
It’s the bag that says “bad motherfucker”.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 21, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Does it have a 5-7 disclaimer on it somewhere?
Just zingin’.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose the bag's message can be read two ways...
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 21, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This should be fun..
What would OU’s bag say?
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
doid you quit reading?
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
*did
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
Pretty sure your signature
disqualifies you from submitting a valuable opinion on any topic.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 21, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
clever
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
theres a lot i can say, but ill say only one thing dude...
you use in quotations follow your kid brothers, insinuating that your identity is somehow not related to being in our shadows, yet YOUR OWN picture has a texas cheerleader when you are an OU fan. have some freaking pride man, and at least put up a pic of something that is OU and not texas, even if you are trying to insult us. this is exactly like how you guys have a no hand gesture of sports spirit, and you have a take our hook em sign and invert it. LET ME INFORM YOU that through these actions, you guys subconsciously know you are lower than us, ride our cotails, and you would be nowhere close to where you are if you werent texas’ rival. have an identity that is not predicated on being anti-texas and maybe ill take your words seriously…
by vanterminatorhorn on Jul 21, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The inverted horns gesture
Should only be used the week of the RRSO, or on occasions of direct competition with UT. It is NOT our identity, even though a small faction of our fan base does not get it.
Do you know where you're at and who I am?
shoulda woulda coulda...
… ive seen the inverted horns sign in OU-OSU games by OU idiots who push themselves onto the camera with pride. small faction, my ass!
get your own identity and then talk!
by vanterminatorhorn on Jul 23, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
We have our own identity
The hand sign is the index finger pointed at the sky. There is only one Oklahoma! I thought you knew.
Do you know where you're at and who I am?
lol
Nice try.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 23, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think his source may be Luicci
OU can’t leave OSU any more than A&M can leave Texas due to legislatures.
Besides, OU is working on their own network. I’m sure they’d love to play HS games on that as well and I say more power to them.
um the thing about the Legislature is true
or did you forget how you held us back from going to the SEC in the late 80s/early 90s? and did you forget about how things worked when the SWC broke up. my bet is they may let you leave Texas but they wont let you leave Tech and Baylor
formerly "Horns102591"
like I have said before
they will rattle their sabres and claim to hold back funding, but in the end nothing will be done. much more important things to worry about right now than athletic leagues for colleges.
yea ok good luck with that
you will need their permission and i think you under estimate how much they like to control things
formerly "Horns102591"
Why don't we let every team in the Big 12 pick a high school game to air
There must be some way to split the pie on the HS games and keep everyone in the conference happy.
Let each Big 12 school select one high school game to air and let them provide their own broadcast and sideline team that talks about how players in the game are relevant to their school.
I dunno, it seems like right now the only options being discussed are all or nothing. There must be some middle ground that still benefits TX but is just good enough for other teams that they don’t feel compelled to leave the Big 12.
So we should split the pie on our own network?
Cmon man, no offense but that’s silly.
by dukeoforange on Jul 21, 2011 7:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's about being the alpha male of the group
Alpha males lead the group but also realize they have to look out for the needs of the group or soon the group will disband.
Than i say Texas funds the "Other Guys in the Big 12 Network"
The big 12 minus Texas and OU can be in it and than they will have their network and we will secretly profit even more, muwhahaha! /pulls mustache manically
by dukeoforange on Jul 22, 2011 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Its about winning football games
lets just play 12 games a year, against each other.
that would be awesome
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
so screw everyone else
OU vs UT EVERY WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
Texas would be
Much worse than 5-7 this year if that were the case…
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
High school games aren't that important to me in the first place
We should just scrap the HS games unless we can show definitively that we won’t spotlight recruits and that no UT dollars go to anything but the schools themselves, not the coaches involved in the games. I do not want to see Texas being the issue with the Big 12-2. Seeing Missouri and Nebraska whining in their attempts to get into the Big 10 last year really made me dislike moves that are harmful to the conference.
TEXAS FIGHT
Do we also give up televising any Big XII games?
Where do we draw the line?
by Texas Wahoo on Jul 21, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt we'd lose that until the contract for the Big 12 expires
But who wants to watch a terrible conference? If you lived in Big East territory, would you want to watch those games each week?
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... I reread that
Personally I don’t think that we should have games only on our channel that fans from other schools have to pay us to see. Even if it’s only a small fee, imagine if every school in our conference tried to do that. Would you pay the rest of the big 12 off to watch their games? I sure as hell wouldn’t want to do that.
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If UT goes independent, why does the BigXII have to fold?
I think everyone is looking at Texas and saying, “if they go independent, the other major conferences (SEC, P12, B10) will carve up the rest of the conference and that will be all she wrote for the BigXII. The good teams/schools will find homes; the rest can pack for Conference USA”
But does it have to be that way? Will we see the rise of the superconference just because UT goes indy? What if A&M, OU and the rest of the BigXII-III just went out and got 3 other teams: either three Texas schools (UH, TCU, SMU) or three others (BYU, CSU, UNLV, Nevada, Boise, Air Force, or New Mexico). Sure, it wouldn’t be as good as the old BigXII, but it would be at least on par with the ACC and likely still better than the Big East. Hey, BCS money is BCS money.
Curious to get your thoughts.
YES
the North would go to the Big East, the rest of the South would tagalong, no way the state legislators allow OSU or Tech to be left behind….Baylor would probably be out.
it wouldn't necessarily HAVE to fold...
it would just immediately become a mid-major…
A&M and OU
Are a bunch of whiny bitches if they want to cry and complain about the LHN. I think this looks bad on them if they think they can bolt and leave because Texas is willing to do something that they must be afraid to do, have thier own network or find other ways to make money and land recruits.
Regardless of what happens
I still think OU/UT play the shootout each season as an out of conference game. At least I hope so. I don’t want to see that end. Too much tradition in that game. But I don’t see the conference disintegrating. I don’t see OU leaving UT and OSU. TAMU could well decide to go. But if that happens then the conference really needs to look at expanding. TCU could be a nice fit.
that is the only thing i care about right now
making sure Texas and OU still play i hate you Sooners with every fiber of my being but i love playing you guys and THAT would kill me if Texas didnt play OU anymore.
as far as A&M goes im ready to pack their bags for them and call a cab for them
formerly "Horns102591"
+1
Doesn’t matter what the records are THAT is the best game of the year. A&M can stay or go. Still think replacing them with a TCU or other program could be interesting.
for sure
TCU would be a better program to have than A&M when was the last time A&M even won a Bowl game?
formerly "Horns102591"
not to be a smartass
but didn’t aggie beat TCU in that bowl.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Jul 23, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
This will piss many aggie off if true
This was posted on Orangebloods.com by Chip Brown on the aggies BOR meeting on LHN:
LATEST FROM A&M REGENTS MEETING: I was just told by a source locked in at the highest level of Texas A&M that the regents meeting on Thursday which included discussion of the Big 12, Texas and the Longhorn Network “was not as heated as you might think.” I was basically told that the A&M regents are not at the point of no return on this situation – not even close. So for fans of the Big 12 as it is currently constructed, that’s probably good news. It doesn’t sound like A&M is actively seeking a dialogue with the SEC at this time. Stay tuned.
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I'm Kick Ass!
I think everyone knew
that this was nothing more than saber rattiling on their part. I for one was never under the assumption that this would go anywhere near as far as an actual break up. Especially after they backed off the high school games and the big 12 game.
OU and A&M
one more thing, successful people/companies don’t complain about what other people are doing
I haven't heard aggy complain. Just whine, bitch and moan.
There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.
SEC!
Well texas, you got the big head, let the money get in the way, and now A&M is joining the SEC! The Aggies will become a better football team, competing in the BEST FOOTBALL CONFERENCE EVER SEEN while you are left to play the dregs of college football like Baylor, T-Tech and the like. hope you have fun playing in the LITTLE 8 for the rest of your pathetic football lives! Longhorns done been left with no chairs when the music stops! I bet Oklahoma would rather play in C-USA as be stuck with you lame money grubbers for too much longer! HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by VOLFAN-THE REAL UT! on Aug 13, 2011 7:11 AM CDT reply actions
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