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Why DeLoss Dodds is Smarter Than the Rest of Us

The controversy of showing high school football games on the new Longhorn Network (LHN) and the threat that OU and aTm will bolt for the SEC is nothing more than an over-bet bluff in the first round of a poker tournament. For OU and aTm to move to the SEC would require the alignment of so many planets and so many backroom deals between universities and state governments, that their threat is a bit like a wife threatening to move to the Riviera when her husband refuses to take out the trash.  

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If Texas wants to make the most of its long-term opportunities with LHN, it must keep a seat at the Big 12-2 table. via www.blindbetpoker.com

The threat of realignment seems more truly centered on a much larger issue that will likely play out in all of college football over the next decade as a series of high stakes matches worthy of an entire World Series of Poker epic. The Big 12-2, that loosely tangled conglomerate of schools with dramatically different market potentials, athletic traditions, and geographical and academic cultures, is merely the test tube for the grand economic experiment that is unfolding in college football. The issue for colleges and universities (note that I did not say the NCAA, because the financial choices of universities have nothing to do with the NCAA) is how to mix revenue generation and "fair" competition. Specifically, should individual universities fully exploit their marketing power even if they gain too unfair a competitive advantage in the perceptions of their sporting partners? After the jump, I try to expand on what Peter’s excellent missives suggest is the "long play."

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There are really two options for establishing competitive structures in a sport, like college football, bathed in publicity and driven by revenue. The first, more traditional option, developed in the days before media saturation and the psychological addiction of society to football, is a full revenue sharing model. In college football, this would manifest as no team in a conference has too much of an unfair advantage in revenues. The classic example is the NFL with full revenue sharing, salary caps, etc. This model is founded on the idea that no team (school) can succeed on its own and that the collective (conference) is the real asset rather than the team. The second model is a "confederation" in which each team makes the best deals it can within the framework of an agreement to play competitive games, regardless of how that plays out in relative advantages among teams.  Major league baseball serves as this model with its drastically uneven revenues among teams and consistently uneven competitiveness among teams (Although one could argue that the Chicago Cubs violate this principle).

College football, by historical necessity, entered the media revenue age as a confederation. Schools roped themselves together on the financial high wire of college athletics to form conferences despite vastly different potentials to market and generate revenue. These differences spawned from their differences in historical success in football (Nebraska vs. Iowa State), the size and affluence of their active alumni base (Texas trumps Tech), and the pre-eminence of football in local culture (Texans breathes football, Hoosiers are not really quite sure what one is). Conferences were originally organized in the days when travel to games was by bus and a team, if they were really, really good and brushed their teeth every night, might be on TV once a year.  Thus, some schools had competitive advantages but they were considered earned by virtue of geography and the ability and luck to hire great coaches.

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The state of the Big 12-2 - the financial and athletic success, and accompanying national reputation of Texas supports the many of the rest of the schools in the conference. via www.havredailynews.com


 Enter cable television, the proliferation of broadcast games, and the protectionist racket of the BCS into the college football market in the late 1990's, not coincidentally about the time that the ex-Southwest conference teams joined the old Big 8 in their marriage of convenience. Conference members still shared revenue from television appearances, but bowl payouts and expanded, television-fueled markets for apparel and other products meant that each school could generate its own revenue based on its own performance. This created what engineering nerds refer to as a "positive feedback," that is, the more success you have, the more money you make, and the potentially greater competitive advantage you have to convert into more success. "Hail to the Victors," indeed.

From this primordial economic soup rose the LHN, an evolutionary marketing mutation inspired by the Big Ten Network but financially viable for a single university. Sold by DeLoss Dodds in a frozen humble pie as just another piece of value added to athletic endeavors for UT, the full vision of its advantages for marketing and recruiting has now pierced the apparently previously foggy heads of AD's Bill Byrne and Joe Castiglione (and likely also the heads of other under-leveraged Big12-2 AD's moving in the shadows). The network was described initially by Dodds, in an amazing case of public relations rope-a-dope, as a speculative enterprise that could as easily fail as succeed. It is now underwritten and leveraged by ESPN into possibly every Aggie and Sooner's home in perpetuity. The horror....

"Well now," bellow the home folks, "there's unfair, but that's UNFAIR. In fact, it's so doggone unfair that we'll consider becoming another piece of athletic hamburger for the jaws of half a dozen SEC sports programs just so we can at least feel like things are FAIR. And on top of that, screw you, t-sippers, for your arrogance!" Imbedded in this attitude is the assumption that LHN wouldn't be worth a thin dime without the Big12-2 teams to populate its timeshares. This is in direct opposition to the Longhorn attitude that, "We're Texas!" inspires nationwide button-pushing of TV remotes (Why else would Texas vs Rice in 2010 be on ESPN, and why else would Texas vs. Wyoming in 2009 be carried on the YES network that caters to the Greater New York area) and that ignoring that marketing potential is a crime. "Screw you, farmers and land thieves, but you can't tell us what to do!"

After the testosterone has dialed back a bit, it's clear that this is an argument over the tension between the mutual benefits of a conference "kum bay yah" fest and the All-American drive for a university to make the most of its opportunities. Where should the line be drawn? Should a line even be drawn at all? It's polarized among the fans as competition vs. cooperation, socialism vs. capitalism, and doing vs. whining. There's no right answer, and the result will likely emerge from the froth of PR plays, reedy-voiced ultimatums, soft-pedaling, last minute, backroom TV deals, BCS and antitrust complaints, and yes, more conference realignment.

As Peter Bean insisted in his two missives, the key is to focus on the long play, and for Texas to be at the front of the pack, that is with the most chips at the end of the Great Poker Game of the decade. What exactly is the long play for Texas and what is the timeline for getting there? From where I sit, reading the tea leaves, it would appear, at this point, to be to employ a muted LHN as a way to add value to the athletic program but set the stage for independence.

Even without broadcasting high school football games, having a separate TV deal with ESPN is perceived by other schools as providing an unreasonably unfair advantage. The Big 12-2 kept itself together because Beebe's TV deal made the ratio of benefits to risks of staying together despite Texas' LHN (benefits: a conference, a BCS berth, and $20 million vs. risks: a conference with big discrepancies among its institutions, including a perceived prima donna) outweigh the benefits : risks of splitting up. My guess is that the rest of the Big12-2 wanted to see if LHN would actually materialize and then cry foul. ESPN stepped in to provide financial leverage, and here we are. Therefore, the long play here is to swallow some pride and "cave" to the temper tantrums of the disadvantaged and let the Big 12-2 sustain and feed the value of the LHN, the Texas brand, and the diversity of athletic interests. Broadcasting high school games is not worth exposing the whole network and losing a seat at that dinner table right now. This concession will keep the network intact. Who's to doubt that Dodds viewed the high school games as a red herring against which to compromise, thus preserving the core of the network.

The long play, also, seems ultimately to favor independence. Reasons?

1.     Texas already has a national brand. ESPN's willingness to finance and include the network in its cable packages supports that assumption. Once the network is established and becomes part of the viewer consciousness, then other options come into play.

 2.     Texas is committed to the network. Don't forget that the deal for the potential PAC 16 last summer dissolved in part because the PAC-10 didn't want Texas to have its own network.  

3.     The Big 12-2 is unstable, even without LHN. The conference is an entourage of athletic have nots (small alumni bases, no access to major TV markets, no strong football traditions) limping behind a sleeping mis-managed giant (aTm), a giant (OU), and a marketing colossus (UT). It's like a party at your mother-in-law's. The flaws are clear, and the partiers are looking for a way out, but they can't quite justify slipping out the back.

4.     Texas wouldn't be saddled with obligatory games against inferior competition. In 2009, Texas basically played like a BCS buster, needing to have a perfect season to get into the MNC game. Lucrative scheduling arrangements with other football powers (How much would games between Texas and Florida, Alabama, USC, Penn State (forget it Nebraska!), or Michigan be worth?). Wins in two or three more of these per season, plus games against OU and/or aTm and other independents Notre Dame and BYU would put Texas squarely into the MNC conversation regardless of any other games on the schedule. With the Big 12-2 as it stands currently, the dead fish smell of the defunct Southwest Conference is emanating from the grave, hinting that one more defection (such as Missouri) could push the "conference formerly known as the Big 12" to experience its own eulogy. Texas does not want to be trapped by circumstance again.

5.     If the Big 12 collapses for reasons other than Texas decisions (see Missouri or a scalded aTm), this may be the final straw that precipitates four superconferences (PAC 16, Big 16, SEC, ACC). Texas has the strongest academic affinity for the current Big 10 but the strongest geographical affinity with the PAC 12. Neither would likely allow the LHN. In the case that scheduling sports other than football was deemed sufficiently difficult reason, the LHN represents a major asset in any merger of Texas into a megaconference. More likely, Dodds and Belmont are positioning themselves to not have to be an attractive wallflower with inadequate suitors at the conference realignment dance.

6.     Independence might be attractive to other schools that face competitive disadvantages but have national followings.  If so, the scheduling nightmare that is the number one impediment to independence might be relieved somewhat. Schools such as Air Force might decide that independence is viable once again, and enter a pool of schools available for other independents to schedule. It seems unlikely that 6 or 7 other schools might do this, but the scheduling issue might not be as stark as is imagined. This is highly speculative.

Almost certainly, these possibilities are not in play today, but as Texas secures potentially greater and greater TV market share through the LHN and expands its brand out, who's to say that it won't generate more than 20 million in annual review on its own by the end of the decade. Independence just isn't that scary when you have your own network.

Think I'm all wet on this? SI's Stewart Mandel had this and this to say about BYU' shift to independence:

I've been saying for some time now that BYU's bold move looks smarter every day. It will be getting more exposure and TV revenue than ever (seven of its games this season are already slated for ESPN or ESPN2), and its scheduling flexibility will allow it to play in more high-profile games (future opponents include Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, West Virginia and Boise State)

There's no idea or initiative on the horizon to suggest that college football won't increasingly become a confederation of schools in megaconferences or as independents that find different ways to balance the development of financial potential against the need to work together to create the opportunity for competition. One would hope that the concentration of wealth and competitive advantages would not be concentrated in as few teams as major league baseball, but if that's the string of cards that plays out, expect Texas to be one of the few at the final table playing for the big stack of chips.

In the meantime, the Big 12-2 still has numerous chips of its own, not least of which is a conference that can still place two teams in BCS bowl games and a $20 million annual payout for Tier I games plus additional payouts for Tier II games from FoxSports. The Texas, OU, aTm, and Missouri programs pull in the local TV markets and some national attention to attract these deals. This is not a poker table you want to leave just yet, however galling it is to lose a few chips (high school football broadcasts) on an obvious bluff (OU and aTm to the SEC).

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I think you nailed it

One would hope that the concentration of wealth and competitive advantages would not be concentrated in as few teams as major league baseball.

This ship has sailed, we’re already there. The BCS is DESIGNED to reward rich and powerful schools and to keep them rich and powerful.

As I (and others, including you) have said before, the future of college football will be dominated by megaconferences or numerous independents, or both. And by establishing the LHN before the Coming Conference Apocalypse, Dodds gets to take that chip with him into negotiations. If, say, Texas was invited to join a super-duper-sized Big 10, the conference would either have to accept the continued existence of the LHN or pay handsomely to make it go away.

Count me among those who aren’t eager for independence but don’t fear it, either. Rivalry games (like OU) would not go away — no one on either side of the Red River would stand for it. Would the BCS open eligibility to an independent Texas? It happened in 1998 with a little school called Notre Dame, and you’d better believe it could happen again.

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by windycityhorn on Jul 21, 2011 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Would the BCS open eligibility to an independent Texas? It happened in 1998 with a little school called Notre Dame, and you’d better believe it could happen again.

It was also denied to BYU just last year.

by Redhawk on Jul 21, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

And I’d argue that the BCS had to do that to stem the (supposed) tide of independence.

But BYU isn’t Texas. Remember, in 1998 there were a lot more independent teams than there are now, and only ND got the nod. Because the BCS was never about determining a true champion, it was about TV and money. You couldn’t have a viable BCS in 1998 without Notre Dame, and I’d argue you can’t have a viable BCS in 2012 without Texas.

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by windycityhorn on Jul 21, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

But then you are encouraging a tide of independence. You are saying “But we’re TEXAS damn”.

by Redhawk on Jul 21, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree, the BCS likes the structure of conferences...

and I doubt another deal like ND is coming even for UT, SC, ect. If OU and A&M were to bolt and the Big 12 falls apart, and UT could not get that BCS deal/secure a strong schedule which could be tough (BYU’s things to deal with now), then going to the Big 10 might be a good move.

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by mjtig on Jul 21, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, what I say doesn't matter

But, full disclosure: I liked the Big 12, ungainly and ugly as it was. I never want the OU game to go away, and I love my Aggie brethren even if they don’t love me.

I’d have preferred an expanded Big 12 but it would seem that’s off the table. Speaking just for myself, I want to be in a conference with OU and A&M for as long as we’re still playing football.

What I’m trying to do is get inside the mind of our athletic director. And, based on nothing other than what I read and infer, I think he believes the Big 12 is not viable long-term, and he’s trying to position his school best for the next big shakeup, which can only lead to a new conference or independence. (I’d prefer the former, but my point was, the latter is not football purgatory.)

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by windycityhorn on Jul 21, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

BCS and MNC

Are not the same thing. I disagree with Stewart that not being in a BCS conference limits your MNC chances. That would be true IF you can’t, as an independent, schedule multiple high quality opponents. I think Texas could schedule at least 4 top 25 teams each year given their natural rivalries and the ability to shop around dates with different conference powers. Not every school that thought about independence could do this.

With a high quality schedule, which is what has limited other non-BCS teams, you would likely still get the respect of the pollsters, and that’s what matters rather than automatically qualifying for a BCS bowl if you are a conference champion.

by burnt in ny on Jul 21, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference is that BYU was not in the BCS to begin with.

Why would a BCS school go independent to be a BCS school. If BYU gained BCS status by going independent, other non-BCS schools might all start doing it.

by Texas Wahoo on Jul 21, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rivalry games (like OU) would not go away — no one on either side of the Red River would stand for it.

Perhaps. But if Oklahoma takes that position, they will simply be increasing Texas’ competitive advantage. The Sooners will have a schedule involving some mixture of Bama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, etc., and then they’re going to schedule Texas non-conference?

Not only is that a path that leads inevitably to more Championship Game appearances for Texas than OU on a longer timeline, but within the microcosm of the RRR itself, Texas will have an advantage as it can simply schedule creampuffs to bookend the game in Dallas, while OU may be [uncontrollably] in the midst of an unprecedented gauntlet of conference games.

by BrooklynHorn on Jul 21, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is why I think the Sooners are bluffing

and (wisely) skiing in the Aggies’ wake. They hope (even more wisely) that this will pressure the Horns and ESPN to not air high school games on LHN. It’s a clever play and it might just work.

But OU has too much to lose by decoupling from Texas (not to mention OSU).

Now, are the Aggies bluffing? I think they are, but Aggie nation thinks they are not. We may know the truth in a few months. But if I was a betting man I’d wager we won’t see high school games on LHN and the union will survive. (Until someone else gets antsy for greener pastures… So, till next year.)

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by windycityhorn on Jul 21, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of the Problem

“We had an agreement in place that Big 12 members would have the right to one non-conference football game and four to six basketball games for third tier, or institutional rights. The concept of the Longhorn Network broadcasting two live football games — with one of these being a conference game —had not been discussed among the Big 12 athletic directors.”—Texas A&M Athletic Director Bill Byrne

So let it be discussed, say “To Hell With You A&M” and we can go to the SEC. Okay, thx

by jagvocate on Jul 21, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok see ya

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by horns1025 on Jul 21, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been fun

but so will the SEC. But you’ll never know, because you’re too … scared attached to those academic heavyweights like ISU, KSU, and OSU.

Enjoy those road trips, I’ll be in Death Valley and The Grove.

by jagvocate on Jul 21, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop. Seriously...

You sound like a girlfriend who threatens to leave for attention. CRRF does an incredible job of detailing this exchange between Texas and TAMU:
http://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2011/7/19/2278304/texas-a-and-m-sec-again

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by kriess on Jul 22, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still do not see

why it is advantageous for you to stay in the Big 12 right now. What are the disadvantages to going independent in ’13 besides possible bad PR?

by miketag on Jul 21, 2011 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

It hammers all other sports

Unless they find a landing spots for everything but football, everything else suffers. Building representative schedules for those sports would become exponentially more difficult.

by BobInHouston on Jul 21, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

you need A&M more than A&M needs you

if we or OU, or both go to the SEC you will have to go independent and have scheduling issues

by miketag on Jul 22, 2011 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

we dont need you

shall i call you a cab?

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by horns1025 on Jul 22, 2011 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

We could afford it unlike....

Ok, I’ll stop. Haha.

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by kriess on Jul 22, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm puzzled

The school that actually has the ability to go independent is the one that lacks options, while the one that apparently can’t get to the place it wants without a good-looking partner is the one that is better off?

Independence is hard, but in football, other schools will deal for a share of a 100,000-seat gate, or the chance to sell out at home. OU and Texas played in separate leagues for about 80 years. That’s not going away. If A&M doesn’t want to keep playing, that’ll be their problem.

Basketball is another matter. They’d need to find a home for non-football, as Notre Dame has. I would suspect that if A&M leaving were to cause the B12 to break up (which I doubt — it would take both A&M and OU leaving to wreck it), Texas would be on good terms the remaining teams, and would be attractive to just about any league.

If those two maintain their current cash flow, the athletic program will be fine. Personally, I’m against independence. I’d prefer the SEC to that, although I’m sure a lot of people would not. But if the only real option was something like the SWC, then I would be all for independence.

by BobInHouston on Jul 22, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am of the opinion that independence is your goal

That has been Dodds plan all along. Either that, or he is much dumber than I gave him credit for.

I think this conference would collapse once A&M leaves. I think if any one team leaves the conference the whole thing will go down.

I guess I could link the number of articles where it states A&M had an invite to the SEC and the SEC was fine with 13 teams, but it has gotten old. If it makes you sleep better at night to think that A&M did not have an invite to the SEC or we have to bring OU with us then more power to you.

by miketag on Jul 22, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

ANY one team?

Dear God, call the cyclones and beg them not to leave. The fate of the conference rests on their shoulders.

by Silentjay on Jul 22, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't that difficult

You aren’t prepared for independence at this time. You don’t have the football schedule set up, and you have no idea who to schedule for basketball, baseball, the non-revenue sports. If A&M and OU leave the Big 12, you’re screwed, because you have to stay in an 8-team Big 12 (kiss that BCS berth and AQ status good-bye) or go independent (which you aren’t prepared for). Therefore, A&M and OU have the leverage to force texas to listen to their demands.

by Beergut on Jul 23, 2011 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

humans are a curious species, when studied closely

I’m beginning to conclude that intellect is merely the clarity one achieves when one disengages insecurity, facilitating the dissipation of delusion. This is why there are no intelligent Aggies..

by BrooklynHorn on Jul 22, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait...

give me a minute with my dictionary because this sounds really good!

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by Snide Aside on Jul 23, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're making a lot of money

Its very easy to stay in the Big 12 and keep making money. Why not set up the athletic department for going independent?

by Hobbes881 on Jul 21, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

why not go independent

and not share money with Baylor?

by miketag on Jul 22, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great thoughts

Couple of less intellectual ones . . .

1. I’m not sure I buy the independent possibility, based on the impacts to our fellow state schools. I don’t see the Texas legislature allowing Tech, Baylor and TAMU to be harmed, or perceived as being harmed, through the lack of affiliation with UT. Additionally, looking at big picture (meaning the association for research, grants, etc), the overall impact of independent might not be worth it overall, regardless of the performance of the football program. (This coming from someone that attended back when we weren’t any good at all.) I wish I had the ability to research how UH and Rice have done with research dollars, comparatively, now versus their time in the SWC (seeing the direct impact of CUSA and WAC). Effectively, that change may be the future for the current non-UT Texas schools that wouldn’t join a ‘superconference.’

2. Based on the above, I do not see any manner for OU to jettison OSU. T Boone . . .I see donations going to whichever Oklahoma lawmaker necessary to prevent that from happening.

3. LHN might merely be viewed as the ‘ante’ for joining the schools out west. Pac-12, I believe, may take Texas (and potentially the required entourage) if it is truly beneficial to them. Might it be possible for the Pac-16 channel to be the rebrand of LHN?

4. BCS auto-inclusion as an independent is not guaranteed. I would like to believe that we’d get the nod, but BYU did not and, while not branded with ESPN, they have been readily embraced, as noted in the Stewie insert.

by unknownidiot on Jul 21, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Non BCS should not go indy to become BCS eligible. That is why BYU was shunned, and rightly so. (mentioned above)

I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.

by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Sorry – really didn’t expand properly.

As an independent, Texas might not get the ND treatment for special inclusion just by meeting some arbitrary guidelines. When the exemption was made for ND, there was a fair amount of public outcry. I believe that there’s potential that the special exemption wouldn’t be granted. Basically, for Texas to be eligible, we’d have to meet the pre-existing conditions (such as 1 or 2 for the MNC or top 8-10 for inclusion in a bowl), rather than the manner than ND has set, which I believe to be less stringent (off the top of my head). Texas may just have to qualify like all the other non-qualifiers.

Thoughts there would center on 1) BCS not excluding the ‘have nots’ and therefore limiting viewpoint that there is a monopoly in place to exclude access and 2) a deterrent from the Big 6 to stop others from separating and destroying the foundation of the existence of the Big 6 as well as their importance.

by unknownidiot on Jul 21, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken...

All of this is a precursor to 4 super conferences. It is only a matter of time. I think ND joins one at that moment. Probably Big 16 or ACC.

I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.

by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might it be possible for the Pac-16 channel to be the rebrand of LHN?

or the foundation of a “Fox-Sports” like set up for a conference network? And if yes…why not for the Big 12?

Which…by the way I think is the point of OU/aTm’s threats.

If ESPN was so desperate to save the Big 12, and avoid the Super-Conferences (where TV supply is reduced, thus driving up the price even more) that they paid UT off with the Longhorn Network (which I’ve proposed they know was over paying, but would save FAR more over the world of the Super-Conference TV deals)….then Why wouldn’t ESPN now play OU and A&M to save the Big 12 again?

If UT allows their network deal with ESPN to be the basis of a Big 12 deal, then if structured correctly might cost UT a little in money and exposure (which they will have plenty of both) while increase that of the other conference mates.

by Redhawk on Jul 21, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting idea

but a Big 12 network product would be diluted by all the Kansas State – Texas Tech matchups in that have no market. A Big 12 network would be a very different beast from the Big 10 network because almost all the Big 10 schools (except their newbie Nebraska and Iowa) have huge alumni bases and non-alumni fan bases in big cities. The profit margin for a Big 12 might actually be less than for a LHN because of the dramatic increase in costs of covering sports over a large area rather than out of Austin. I’m not saying it would never happen, and eventually LHN might morph into something like a Big 12 network, but then again, I don’t get the feeling that the Texas braintrust wants it to go that way.

by burnt in ny on Jul 21, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

...but, why do we have to be the Yankees?

Love Texas.

Hate the Yankees.

For some reason I still see us eventually joining a PAC-16 or the SEC. With the LHN. I doubt ESPN and UT did this just to re-wrap it into or part of something else.

Now, of course, we have to start winning again to back any of this up.

by hornball on Jul 21, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

well I guess we could be the Red Sox

though no mater what we do, the rest of the Big 12 probably looks at Texas like baseball fans look at the Yankees

by burnt in ny on Jul 21, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

texas only wishes they were the Yankees.

The Yankees take all of their advantages and actually WIN championships. If texas was a MLB team, it would be the Red Sox, a team with tons of resources and advantages that fails to consistently turn them into championships.

by Beergut on Jul 23, 2011 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

that’s why the Yankees and their world-record payroll went about a decade without a trophy while, what, 6 or 7 teams with substantially lower payrolls were winning the series instead? Why don’t you take a glance at the New York Post archives from the past 10 years to see if anyone believes the Yankees have lived up to expectations. If you think the Dallas media is insufferable when the Cowboys disappoint, try living in New York.

In fact, the Yankees are the example most cited when one wants to argue that you can’t simply buy championships. Real Madrid hasn’t done so well of late either.

Is there anything about which you aren’t completely wrong? Just for fun, on what topic can you speak knowledgeably?

by BrooklynHorn on Jul 23, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

im sorry is a aggie talking smack about Texas not having success?

when was the last time you guys won a championship?

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by horns1025 on Jul 23, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back

That’s quite a return, sir. Fabulous read. Don’t have time right this moment to weigh in, but loved your approach to this post, and especially the structural perspective you added to the discussion.

Bravo.

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by Peter Bean on Jul 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

This might sound odd

But I say cut OU a small piece of our pie to shut them up and let the Aggies go stave in Dixie. Keeping OU we might be able to lure say, Air Force into the conference. We gain a REAL military school that will help drive the San Antonio fanbase. Widden the Fanbases of UT and OU by having their games on Armed Forces Network around the world. Air Force then gets all the benefits of a real conference and they get more screen time stateside by playing UT and OU as well as the K schools in Basketball.

Its all posturing, but I think UT would be smart to call the bluff, but if it gets out of hand play ball with the Thieves and let the Aggies go play an annual Columbus Day game against Fake T.

by Silentjay on Jul 22, 2011 3:04 AM CDT reply actions  

i actually like that idea lets get Air Force

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by horns1025 on Jul 22, 2011 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

AF has 6'5" max height limit

Can’t wait to play them at basketball

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by Caradoc on Jul 22, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be the limit for flight

Of course, that’s why a lot of people want to go to the AFA.

by BobInHouston on Jul 22, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

true

but a lot of tech savy people go to the Air Force because they like the cyber warfare stuff they train for and because they wanna blow stuff up in space

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by horns1025 on Jul 22, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a fine idea

and would serve A&M and UT well: UT keeps a conference in their back pocket and, for A&M: Baylor and Tech survive unharmed, so A&M won’t have to listen to Baylor’s stupid Legislative lobbying again like they tried last summer.

by jagvocate on Jul 22, 2011 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't really matter if aggy stays or goes.

We will still have to entertain miketag and beergut.

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by OnMySignal on Jul 22, 2011 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe we can cut a deal with them

If the aggies leave the conference they have to stop posting their ignorance on our site

Sally, will you meet me at the airport?

by TxHorns247 on Jul 22, 2011 8:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

ignorance?

I was the first one to suggest that Garrett Gilbert and Jaxson Shipley should be roommates!

by miketag on Jul 22, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: The legislature wanting assurance

that Tech, Baylor, A&M don’t get left behind if Texas goes independent. That’s an easy one — we’ll need close-to-Austin opponents as well as the possible Notre Dames and BYUs and Auburns anyway. So, assure our former in-state Big 12 partners we’ll play them, home and home in all sports, for say, 10 years. That’s not leaving them in the cold.

But several posters are correct on the non-football sports. We’ll make baseball and volleyball and hoops scheduling terribly difficult. Either we load up on Texas and Louisiana directionals (lower quality), or we send our student-athletes on arduous road trips to other time zones. This is especially over the latter half of any season’s schedule, when most of prospective opponents are tied into conference matches and thus not available to play an independent.

by edsp on Jul 22, 2011 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Get independence out of your heads

It ain’t gonna happen and I’m glad! We don’t need it, it dilutes the attraction of Texas.

We would be far better served to be part of a conference and I don’t care which one as long as it isn’t the SEC. That conference has way too much corruption in it’s rfecruiting methods and the apparant approval of such methods by the conference members and commish. UT is better than that and would upgrade any conference it joined.

We HAVE the LHN and that is the end of that – all the whining by ou and AtM is not going to change it. Frankly, they both WOULD be better off in the SEC because the culture of both is SEC personified anyway – they aren’t that particular how they recruit anyway.

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by Snide Aside on Jul 23, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Why would Texas want independence when it has something better?

The Longhorn Network won’t kill the Big XII, even if A&M leaves. Bring in Air Force, Houston, maybe BYU, or a New Mexico School of one had to.

Texas has all the financial advantages and self-promotion of a network, but a conference framework to control to its benefit.

This current Big XII is better than indepenendence for Texas.

by jagvocate on Jul 24, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

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