Texas Quarterbacks: Separation Week?
Asked about the performance of Garrett Gilbert, new Texas co-offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin spoke broadly about the competition. Harsin's fellow co-coordinator was not nearly so coy, mentioning Gilbert and true freshman David Ash by name.
Harsin did clear up any doubt about splitting repetitions early in the season, saying that the Longhorns will have a starting quarterback to face Rice. Whether the starter lasts any distance into the season received no mention, in large part because neither Harsin nor Applewhite would be willing to lock the Texas offensive into a quarterback long-term without strong performances on the field.
Gilbert may be entitled to the extent that he's favored by virtue of experience and necessarily in repetitions in practice -- not all four options can split the available time in live drills evenly, there simply isn't enough. As a result, Gilbert had more opportunities through the split youth/veteran practices to begin the fall session, with Case McCoy receiving the second most. Pecking order, in my opinion.
But Mack Brown clearly laid out what the Texas quarterback must do this fall:
The biggest thing is leadership. You have got to have great leadership at that position. You have got to protect the ball, and you have got to be able to put the ball in the end zone. And other than that it doesn’t matter.
Ha! Not much there, Mack, huh? Except the three major things a quarterback must do well and the three major things that the incumbent starter Gilbert did so exceedingly poorly throughout this first and only season as a starter.
Unsurprisingly, separation didn't happen during the summer with the coaching away from the players, leaving the coaches hoping for some of that sweet separation by the second week of practice. To seize the job, Gilbert, McCoy, Wood, or Ash must win the "competitive drills" through which the coaches will seek that separation, according to Brown:
Every pass will be charted to see who has the most completions and who is the most accurate. It will be when we are in competitive drills and when we are not. We will have a lot more third down scrimmage situations to see who is making the third downs. We will have a lot more red zone situations. And we’ll put them in a lot more critical competitive situations than you would if you just knew who the quarterback was going to be, and you weren’t trying to separate them.
While the Eyes of Texas won't have a chance to take in any aspect of the competition with practices once again closed to fans, the eyes of each member of the offensive staff -- from Mack Brown to Bryan Harsin and Major Applewhite to the quality control staff -- will look for any glint of that separation.
As Harsinwhite collectively pointed out, It could happen this weekend during the team's first scrimmage of the fall -- that will be the beginning at least -- with an emphasis on managing situations like the third and long and red zone plays with which Texas struggled so mightily in 2010. Simply scoring more touchdowns in the red zone could have a tremendous impact on both sides of the football.
Could David Ash separate? Buzz surrounded the Belton product from the moment he stepped onto campus early and possessed the most imposing frame and best ability to spin the football of any gunslinger on the 40.
Continuing into the fall, repetitions for Ash remained limited, but his impression on anyone observing workouts remained strong, even the Major:
"He’s done a great job of understanding the scheme. He’s a physical specimen, just a big kid. He’s very strong. He has a natural feel to him about the position. He’s done really well.
That and he also might throw the best football on the team, combining the arm strength and accuracy that none of the other contenders seem to possess in equal measures.
The sturdy Ash improved by leaps and bounds his senior season, rewarding the potential seen by Greg Davis at the Texas camp following an injury-plagued junior season. The villainized long-time coordinator opted for Ash over the consensus top quarterback in the state, Denton Guyer's JW Walsh, a coaches son himself, a decision increasingly validated with every glowing report emerging from the program.
After only months in the program, Ash could be setting himself up as the back-up to Garrett Gilbert and emerge as the heir apparent if the likely starter falters early in the season. A spring-game performance that saw a poor decision on a three-man play-action route that resulted in an easy interception and the sack he took in the redzone on a ball that should have been thrown away hardly indicated advancement from the 17-interception 2010 campaign.
Still, all the speculation about which quarterback will separate loses track of the timeline. Will it happen during this week, when the coaches will so crossly track each play, each decision? This weekend during the first scrimmage?
The head coach believes the decision will likely last deeper into fall practice. Brown referenced the last real quarterback battle for the team, Longhorn legend Colt McCoy holding off the upstart Jevan Snead and claiming a job he would not relinquish until he became the winningest quarterback in total victories during the NCAA's existence.
But how much easier is it to determine a starter between only two candidates, not twice the number? And how much did it help public perception that McCoy seized control of the job in a way generally unexpected upon his elevation to starter?
I mean, half the competition hasn't even received mention here, class of 2010 quarterbacks Connor Wood and Case McCoy, the two quarterbacks also not mentioned during the Harsinwhite presser.
What's alarming for the Gilbert-haters and those fans in the middle simply waiting for one of the four candidates to seize control is the fresh memory of the Chris Simms-Major Applewhite debacle that lingers so close to the surface despite a nation championship victory and another opportunity.
Yet, in the aftermath of that sobering comparison, the light of Harsinwhite's brilliance shines through. Anticipated brilliance, that is. For it seems that any knowledgeable mind of the intricacies of the game known as football in this country would respect the success of Bryan Harsin and the potential of Major Applewhite molding together to form one of the most advanced offenses in the country.
It's undoubtedly a burnt-orange Kool Aid every reasonably optimistic Horns fan drinks, believing that the right choice will end up behind center this season, whatever trials and tribulations may come. No development from Gilbert approaching the conference schedule? Pull the trigger, and may the top talent take over. Harsin and Applewhite have it under control. Right?
Hope so. Despite the desire for separation, it probably won't be an easy choice.
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David Ash
I know I’m jumping the gun here, but I would love to see David Ash in action. Hearing everyone rave about his arm strength in comparison to the other 3 qb’s makes me
Optimistic. I think it would be a compete shocker though if Harsinwhite didn’t go with Gilbert…incumbents always win elections.
I don't know
If you have to show it on the field, I think I would have GG take a step back and let the others have an opportunity. Reps aren’t always in your favor unless you can do something with them. Sorry but GG has not. Not yet.
3rd Degree Longhorn
If GG starts
and before each game, someone should whisper in his ear, " Johnson lost the starting job to Tannehill in the middle of the season". Kind of like when a slave would whisper in a Roman triumphator’s ear “Memento mori” during a triumph. Great article as usual.
Hook Em Horns!
Latin nerd alert
It was actually “hominem te memento,” which means remember that you are a man…
I will spit nails,
If Ash doesn’t get meaningful playing time against Rice. IMNSHO, no better way to determine whether someone can perform under fire than putting them under fire.
See ya later, alligator.
The squint
I would just like to note that, while everyone likes to joke about the Gilbert Squint (as pictured in this post), there is one pretty good precedent for squinting success:
Did we recruit him?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 11, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Also:

Of course, he never beat Florida.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Squints has really come a long way from his early years
Is dating Wendy Peffercorn
"They can't all be winners!" - Bad Santa
by Ese-De-SA on Aug 11, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you
Thank you, so much.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Aug 11, 2011 8:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Does Ash really have the most imposing frame?
Coming out of HS, Ash was listed at 6’4" 195lbs. by Rivals. Gilbert was listed at 6’4" 205lbs. by the same. Is Gilbert not actually just as big, if not bigger?
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions
Ash looks bigger than listed. More like 215 pounds now.
And I know that because I’ve seen both in person, not just because I like to make things up or throw out comments for which I have no support.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 11, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like a bit of a defensive response
Anyway, this is what I was using:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-David-Ash-88960
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Garrett-Gilbert-62659
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
you have that effect on people
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 11, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It's odd that it's off-limits to denigrate repo men...
…but politicians, lawyers, etc. are all in play for the broad-brush painting.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm so confused.
What does that have to do with you making people defensive?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 11, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It appeared to me that you were still dwelling on our repo exchange
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ash as starting qb is intriguing to me.
With us starting completely from scratch in terms of new coordinators and regimes, why not give the rains to a true freshman who can man the ship for 3 or 4 years. Plus I have heard nothing but praise about his performance.
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
We're about a year into what was supposed to be three years of Gilbert's manning the ship
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah true.
It’s just easy to get the feeling that Gilbert may never fully recover mentally from last year. I sure hope he does cause he definitely has talent but if he doesn’t I’m rooting for Ash to get the reigns
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
Don't says rains unless you're dripping wet at the moment.
eh, and it’s reins. Texas…horses…reins.
oops
had an Aggie moment there
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
My fears with the QB competition
Because of the QB situation, I think the press has forgotten that we had an on-going running back competition since Jamaal Charles left and never worked it out. Given that, I don’t have high confidence in Mack being decisive on these things. My hope is that Harsinwhite has the balls and the autonomy to pull the trigger, see it through, and make it work, rather than continually second-guessing themselves and revisiting the decision.
With the QB position I have an even more worrisome thought that this is not really a competition at all. From my outside perspective, the Spring game didn’t seem like an open position battle. Given the allocation of reps, especially with the 1st team squad, and the coaches commentary afterward, it felt more like an internal decision had already been made on Gilbert being the guy, and everything else was perfunctory. And of course GG played like Gilbert 2010, even in the favorable playing conditions of a Spring game.
I’ve read the stories about Gilbert’s initial naming as starter being an unearned anointment and that it was a contributing factor to the team’s 2010 malcontent attitude. And I read the story of what supposedly went down with Sherrod Harris. If those stories are true, then I think Mack will lose this team again, and in an even more deleterious and permanent way, if Gilbert takes the starting position without unambiguously earning it.
And yet, despite all that, if we can work through the QB issue, and we have some good fortune in terms of the team staying healthy, I think there’s a good chance that we could surprise people with a good season relative to initial expectations.
Do you have confidence in the RB coaching and OL?
I think those have actually been bigger problems in the RB production than Mack Brown has been.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but I wasn't speaking to RB production
I was talking about the staff’s ability to name a go-to RB starter, which they’d professed a strong desire to do every year since Charles. I think that in and of itself doesn’t bode well for being decisive about naming a QB starter. Although running back by committee works better than QB by committee, so the sense of urgency for the staff is undoubtedly a lot higher in this case. Still, the old staff seemed to get seized by Analysis Paralysis and I hope that isn’t a carry-over to the new staff.
But I agree with you about RB production, at least with respect to OL play.
I Agree, FWIW
There will only be a problem if Mack is slow to pull GG should GG prove to be no better than last year. If Mack makes a move early, like before UCLA for example, he will look like the leader he is supposed to be. He tends, however, to the loyalty thing, which is sometimes laudable—-but in this case he can’t afford it. GG can be successful if 1) the OL is markedly improved 2) there is a running game 3) he is given a package he can deal with. GG is an underrated runner, so he can get out of trouble that way. But if GG does flop, Ash will need some time to be the Big Stud he’s touted to be (and will be), but I think Case could come in and be an adequate field general right away. IM<HP, I think GG will be fine.
Seems like we have situational starters at RB
Everydown will most likely be Fozzie’s to lose with Malcolm Brown having a few plays a week that will most likely be his.
Short yardage will be CoJo.
3rd down will be DJ Monroe except possibly very long yardage which would be a better blocker.
Begeron and Hills given opportunities throughout the season to overtake Brown, who I am guessing will be annointed the backup at RB until proven.
As much is made of the poor state of the running game over the last few years, I really don’t think the issue was a lack of talent. Ogbannaya ended up in the NFL. Tre Newton was an Emmitt Smith-type who didn’t wow you with anything but vision. right now we don’t have a clear #1, but it does remind me of the year we had the previously snakebitten Priest Holmes, the electric Shon Mitchell, and the soon-to-be legendary Ricky Williams splitting carries. Wow would I be excited to see Fozzy, DJ, and Malcolm/Joe take those roles over.
We did go two years without a rushing touchdown in a bowl (now three, I guess). That says more about the offense, I think, than the runners.
by Erasmus Funderburke on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ricky already is legendary
He’s just not in the HOF yet. He’ll hit 10,000yds. this season, and if he has either a great 2011 or solid 2011 and 2012, he’ll surpass Ricky Watters, Tony Dorsett, and Edgerrin James on the all-time rushing touchdowns list.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Arm strength is extremely over-rated in the college game.
Even if it carried more importance, Ash’s arm strength isn’t decidedly better than Gilbert’s. It’s marginally better, but Gilbert’s throwing power is more than adequate enough to stretch the field.
No, the issue in the college game is the quarterback’s ability to be decisive, accurate, and smart with the football. Colt McCoy’s arm strength left a lot to be desired his freshman year. Hell, even Harsin’s young gunslinger Kellen Moore doesn’t wow with velocity. What made (makes) both them great is knowing what to do with the ball.
The problem, of course, is that we have seen just how awful Gilbert can be with the football in his hands. Superficially, it’s easy to point to the 17 INTs, put Gilbert at the bottom of the depth chart, and move on. But, anyone who was paying attention last year would have noticed that he was put in an impossible situation. Literally across the board, I cannot think of a worse situation for a first year quarterback. This has been discussed ad nauseum here, so I won’t go into detail, however these problems included, but are not limited to, changing of the offense in week two, disgusting spacing/route combination, zero WR separation, no run game, and poor offensive line play.
It remains to be seen if he can get his swagger back. A season like last year could potentially impact confidence for the rest of his career. In that sense, he may be spoiled goods. If, however, he can get his confidence and leadership ability back, I’d be careful about making conclusive opinions based on the abortion of a season we witnessed last year.
One final somewhat related note. A strong chance exists that Gilbert will start the first two games. A similarly strong chance exists that he may have struggles. None of you are entitled to the right to boo an amateur college athlete. While you may feel that it’s of the utmost importance to express your deep, vast knowledge of college football and the Texas QB depth chart to the coaching staff, at least consider that you’re probably doing more harm than good. Gilbert needs support from the fanbase now more than ever. So, if you’re pissed off about the QB depth chart, express it here, not at DKR.
by SuperHorn on Aug 11, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I’ve never booed the home team when I was at DKR and I never will. Now the visiting team has tasted my wrath many many times.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
I am rooting hard for GG, he is a very likeable kid and I want him to succeed. Hope to see him get it on track this year.
I wish I could play little league now... I'd kick some fuckin' ass.
You know what ‘ruins’ a kid’s swagger? A coach that throws u back into the game after 5 ints because that coach and oc wants to later brag about your (garbage time) yards
by iamjackburton on Aug 11, 2011 12:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
tell it like it is
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 11, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
QB Problems
Gilbert, McCoy, Wood, Ash, Brewer, Swoopes……………what problem?
QB discussion
I’m just going to sit out until the Rice game. Then and only then will I comment on the QB play.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
Let GG start against rice
But if he starts costing us games or barely survives rice Mack must be willing to Make changes or we are back to 2010 where nothing changes from game to game
by iamjackburton on Aug 11, 2011 12:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
We need to see others before then
because they need to relatively ready for OU if GG isn’t cutting it.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 11, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Before Rice?
I’m hoping we see Ash during the Rice game, even if only sparingly. I want to see willingness to give meaningful reps and not just lip service, as we’ve seen in the past.
So much for Mack's rhetoric at Big 12 Media Days
Mack said that the quarterbacks would separate themselves this summer based on their work ethic and leadership. So did all the quarterbacks work really hard and lead the team well?
I have a gut feeling that Gilbert is being given every single chance to win the job, and the coaches are very hesitant to move a freshman in front of a junior. Gilbert either has it, or he doesn’t. A junior quarterback should be able to separate himself from 2 freshman and an inexperienced sophomore. Period. No excuses.
Reading the tea leaves of practice reports from anonymous sources, I believe Ash has very quietly played better than Gilbert.
In my opinion, the coaches are fearful of the mass exodus at quarterback if Ash was named the starter. Wood and likely Gilbert would be gone. Case would probably have to be talked into staying.
We will certainly know more after the scrimmage on Saturday. As always, let the best man win. Good luck to all four Texas quarterbacks.
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by billfromlaketravis on Aug 11, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
Or...
Mack said that the quarterbacks would separate themselves this summer based on their work ethic and leadership. So did all the quarterbacks work really hard and lead the team well?
Could be. It’s also possible that none of them is working hard or leading the team well at this point. I’m skeptical to believe that anyone has shown that much more or less than anyone else to really stratify the corps.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to believe they are all working hard.
Each one of them has to be in top physical condition and extremely competitive to set foot on the field in a Longhorn jersey. I think the prblem is, how much respect from teammates and ledaership can a quarterback demonstrate when he is splitting reps with three other contenders?
by Longhorn in MO on Aug 11, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't mean that I think they aren't working hard
I was just playing off bflt’s play off Mack’s statement about the QBs. I don’t really believe that work ethic and leadership are the two criteria, as there’s a lot more to it than that. What I actually think is that the coaches are just in the very early stages of evaluation, as (a) this is Harsin’s first fall camp with these guys, and (b) we’re just a few days into it, so players are probably still dusting off a little summer.
Whether teammates respect guys who are splitting reps is another issue, of course. I have no idea about that, but I would imagine the other players probably respect them all. They’re just waiting to rally around the guy who wins, and support the guys who don’t.
Another thing I’m beginning to suspect: Garrett Gilbert is a practice guy. I think he just performs a lot better in practices than in games. Even when everything in a practice is designed to simulate the gameday environment, I think the guy doesn’t feel the pressure like he does on gameday, and shows more to the coaches. Then gameday comes along, and he doesn’t play as well, whereas other types of guys are true gamers. The gamers vs. practice guys issue kind of hurts the depth chart battle, because it’s really hard to start a QB who’s not practicing the best. I could be way off on that, but a year ago, and even last year, we heard about the terrific skills Gilbert has, much like we are about Ash now.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 11, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I will be surprised if GG doesn't start all the games this season barring injury
The QB competition has not been close, and I still don’t think it is close.
GG has the stature and years of development ahead of all the candidates, and I just am getting the impression that the QB controversy is media created.
Of course, Mack and Co are not announcing that publicly or privately since everyone has to win their job and no one has a guaranteed spot, but I imagine that GG is showing a clear edge in practice.
The angel on my right shoulder wants Gilbert to get his shot at redemption and succeed,
but the devil on my left shoulder wants him to almost lose the Rice game until Ash comes in and pull it out in heroic fashion, then go on to be the next big thing at Texas.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I feel the same way.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 12, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The beating organ in my chest wants McCoy to be the hero
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 12, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You love beating your organ
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Aug 12, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That one was a softball
Or a pair of them, as the case may be.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 12, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
They make a pill for soft balls
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Aug 12, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m worried about how that’ll affect my emasculation vasectomy.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 12, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I want all the kids to succeed
but Ash is winning if coach hasnt said GG wins by now. No more Snead/Simms mistakes please if Ash is the guy with character to match, let’s go.

































