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Garrett Gilbert Struggles In Texas Scrimmage Saturday

The Garrett Gilbert era may be closer to nearing an end after a poor performance Saturday in the first Texas scrimmage of the fall.

Heavily favored to earn the starting job after taking over for Colt McCoy last season, Gilbert threw two interceptions during live action at DKR Saturday evening, continuing a disturbing trend that began when he threw four picks against Alabama in the national championship game, carried over into the 2010 season with 17 interceptions, and did not abate in the spring game with another poor decision resulting in a Bryant Jackson takeaway.

Gilbert only picked up one first down during his time and the field and, according to Barking Carnival, showed the poor body language that often defined his time on the field last season.

Equally familiar was the nature of those interceptions. On one, freshman defensive end Cedric Reed deflected and intercepted a pass, a sign that Gilbert still has trouble anticipating the development of passing lanes, something that Colt McCoy always did extremely well at Texas. On the second, sophomore linebacker Keenan Robinson dropped deep into coverage and made an "NFL-caliber play" on the ball. For some quarterbacks, that might be easy to forgive. But for Gilbert, it represents just another data point in a disturbing trend of failing to see underneath defenders dropping into coverage.

Right now, Gilbert just doesn't seem to have the ability to read defenses that sets competent quarterbacks apart from the incompetent. With one observer telling Inside Texas ($) that Gilbert's play was "abysmal," the junior may not have the opportunity this fall to continue to make poor decisions during games -- if he doesn't perform well in the next two scrimmages before the Rice game, he may not even be the back up when the first depth chart comes out.

Star-divide

Considering the buzz surrounding his efforts during the spring, summer, and fall, true freshman David Ash was either the best or second-best quarterback on the field, depending on the source, and received some first-team reps, a telling sign. Able to keep plays alive with his feet to either complete passes downfield or pick up positive yardage, Ash also impressed in other ways:

The Asset tells us Ash moved the team with some pinpoint accuracy and some plays with his feet. More importantly to Harsin perhaps, was the fact the true freshman continued to play mistake free football. Among Ash’s best plays of the night was an absolute pea delivered to Miles Onyegbule in a tight window for a big gain, along with some athletic plays running the ball. Right now Ash is the total package. He displayed arm strength, accuracy, and athleticism in last night’s scrimmage. Ash also "commands the huddle" better than any of the other QB’s we’re told. He’s a leader, and he’s had the best August, our source close to the staff said.

Right now, it looks like Ash is making a serious run at the starting job, potentially leaving Garrett Gilbert and sophomore Case McCoy battling for the back-up job.

But McCoy's struggles with spinning the football continued, a combination of his poor footwork and lack of arm strength. Though at least one observer described his jump-ball touchdown in the endzone to true freshman wide receiver Miles Onyegbule as a good throw, the Asset described it as one of four "ducks" on the day, the type of throw that seems to define McCoy as much as his Colt-like accuracy.

For McCoy, the uncomfortable fact remains that his inability to drive the football down the field makes him a poor fit in Bryan Harsin's offense and unless he can eventually gain strength and refine his footwork, it looks unlikely that he will ever be able to fulfill that basic requirement.

The final candidate, sophomore Connor Wood, may well be on track for a transfer -- he looks like the fourth quarterback on the depth chart despite his intriguing potential. It's not exactly news at this stage that he struggles with his accuracy and that inability to consistently deliver the ball on target overshadows his obvious physical skills of strong mobility and an equally strong arm.

Despite the intense focus on the quarterback position, there are plenty of other positions at which coaches need to see separation. Until the inevitable injury happens, senior running back Fozzy Whittaker has been impressive throughout fall practice, having taken to Bryan Harsin's scheme. An I-back in high school, Whittaker seems to have found a comfort zone entering his final season. For what feels like the 20th year in a row, Whittaker could finally break out. As long as he stays healthy. With Whittaker, "if" remains the operative word. If bad luck doesn't strike -- helmet to the knee, a twisted ankle -- the key for the senior back could be the strength of his shoulder, which could help him avoid the stinger that plagued him last season.

Elsewhere at the position, true freshman Malcolm Brown did not participate in the scrimmage, as he's been limited in practice during recent days with a minor leg injury, though he did take part in the opening drills. Fellow frosh Joe Bergeron has drawn rave reviews throughout the fall for his developed physique and ability to use that strength to pick up yards after contact. He's also starting to gain a repetition for running over defenders in practice. With Cody Johnson working exclusively at fullback, Bergeron could be in line for more carries as a feature back than previously believed. Redshirt freshman Traylon Shead ran for a touchdown, but he hasn't had much buzz surrounding him since last season and it's unclear if he has improved his pad level, a serious issue during the spring.

Fan favorite DJ Monroe, the junior scatback, nearly broke a long run and reportedly caught the ball well out of the backfield, a major question mark entering the season after struggles catching the ball throughout his career. A player accustomed to having the ball handed to him, it could be that Monroe has finally resolved the concentration issues that seemed to be more of a problem for him than simply having poor hands. The good news is that it continues to sound like Harsin and Applewhite have a set of plays for Monroe to get him the ball. Freed DJ Monroe?

Along the offensive line, the major development is the move of sophomore Mason Walters out to right tackle. A move long expected by Texas fans hoping for him to answer the questions about the tackle position, Walters at tackle significantly increases the margin of error for the offensive line by reducing pressure on sophomore Paden Kelley to emerge as a starter. Walters reportedly struggled against Alex Okafor on the edge during the scrimmage, but increased repetitions should help. Not to mention the fact that he probably won't face many defensive ends as good as Okafor, who looks primed to become an all-conference performer.

At the other four positions, senior Tray Allen held up well at left tackle, while senior David Snow kicked out to guard with redshirt freshman Dominic Espinosa starting at center. Sophomore Trey Hopkins held down the other guard spot, with sophomores Thomas Ashcraft and Garrett Porter backing up the interior of the line, which should prove to be the strength of the unit, an opinion supported by the group's strong play opening up running lanes in the scrimmage. Junior Luke Poehlmann still doesn't sound ready to shoulder heavy reps -- he's still not strong enough.

Sophomore Mike Davis and true freshman Jaxon Shipley continue to receive the most buzz and look like the top two receivers entering the season, though both suffered drops on the night. Redshirt freshman John Harris and sophomore Darius White look to be next in line in the rotation. The emerging name is true freshman Miles Onyegbule. While far from being a quick-twitch athlete, Oneygbule is a big target and showed his ability to go up and get the football in jump ball situations with his acrobatic catch in the end zone over true freshman cornerback Josh Turner to haul in the pass from Case McCoy.

After missing the last two seasons to injury, junior tight end DJ Grant may finally be ready to shine and could also be the starter at the position against Rice. Always a threat in the passing game as a converted receiver, Grant is now willing to do the dirty work as an in-line blocker. And though there are no reports of him making any notable plays, senior tight end Blaine Irby participated fully and did not seemed limited by his knee. Positive news. Redshirt freshman Darius Terrell caught a touchdown pass and could stretch the field as an H-back or inside receiver.

On the defensive side of the ball, junior defensive end Alex Okafor was strong off the edge against Mason Walters. Okafor's going to be a star and it's going to happen this year. Sophomore Jackson Jeffcoat is a known commodity at this point despite being limited by his high ankle sprain as a freshman, while sophomores Reggie Wilson and Chris Whaley have all the athletic talent in the world, but need refinement. True freshman Cedric Reed flashed with his interception, though he may not be entirely ready for the jump in competition.

The linebackers may be the best unit on the team on either side of the ball. Sideline to sideline, the athleticism of players like senior Keenan Robinson, fellow senior Emmanuel Acho, and sophomore Jordan Hicks is extraordinary. The issue is that both Robinson and Acho still struggled to come downhill and separate from blockers. Unless Hicks is ready to step in at middle linebacker, the team could struggle some to defend the run if offensive linemen are getting free runs to the second level. Even if he doesn't end up at the Mike, there are plenty who believe that Hicks is already the best linebacker on the team. High praise.

Among the back ups, both redshirt freshman Aaron Benson and sophomore Demarco Cobbs flashed, with Benson being a pleasant surprise in that respect and Cobbs much less so after drawing rave reviews throughout the spring and summer. Expect the Tulsa product to see serious playing time this season.

For the players tasked with keeping the offensive linemen off the linebackers, the reviews seemed mixed. Senior Kheeston Randall is the known there, but sophomores Ashton Dorsey and Calvin Howell struggled at times holding their ground against the interior of the offensive linemen against the running game. True freshman Desmond Jackson has the same problems, but could be a situational pass rusher with his ability to shoot gaps. No real answers there, yet.

With junior safety Kenny Vaccaro out with a minor hamstring injury, junior Nolan Brewster started along senior Blake Gideon at safety. Gideon intercepted a McCoy pass and apparently played his centerfield position well. Not a shock, as Gideon plays that role well. Sophomore Adrian Phillips also saw some reps there with Vaccaro and Christian Scott out and redshirt freshman Bryant Jackson moved to receiver.

Phillips is getting reps at safety partly out of need and partly because it looks like super frosh Quandre Diggs has taken over one of the starting cornerback jobs. It's increasingly more astounding every day that it took so long to offer the kid. At the other corner position, sophomore Carrington Byndom looks entrenched and continued to do a solid job, while younger players like freshman Josh Turner and sophomore Adrian White had some growing pains. Texas needs Byndom, Diggs, and Phillips to be good and probably doesn't have much room for injury there.

On punt returns, Diggs, Shipley, Phillips, and Davis all got reps, while Diggs, Monroe, and Darius White returned kicks. the big question on kicks is whether or not Texas can find someone to replace Malcolm Williams as the lead blocker, a role Williams played well. If the unit can once again become a team strength, it could take a lot of pressure off the offense by handing Harsinwhite's group better field position.

The real story, though, continues to be the quarterback situation, which will be the focus until the first depth chart comes out. And beyond. Is there another quarterback controversy brewing in Austin? Feels like it.

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Thanks for a fantatic recap.

I have been a GG apologist all Spring but now I’m convinced that the college game moves too fast for him. He’s such a great kid, too. Fozzy will be Fozzy. Just have another back on the sidelines with his helmet on when he’s in the game. I still get this feeling that DJ is still only going to get limited playing time. Vaccaro needs to stay healthy. He is an absolute rampaging missile on the field.

Hook Em Horns!

by spinmonkey on Aug 15, 2011 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

This just makes me sad.

I, too, hoped that the first two years were just a GD aberration, but it seems that isn’t the case.

Here’s hoping Ash is the real deal…

"Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those that mind don’t matter and those that matter don’t mind."
- Dr. Seuss

by dimecoverage on Aug 15, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect word for it...'sad'

We all are pulling so hard for Gilbert, it’s a shame he doesn’t seem to be picking it up like we thought/hoped he would.

We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.

by JoeT63 on Aug 15, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is heartbreaking. You just have to love this kid and it is painful to see this all play out.

"Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those that mind don’t matter and those that matter don’t mind."
- Dr. Seuss

by dimecoverage on Aug 15, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

GG must be in hell right now.

Will he ever turn that corner and groove into the system? I’m praying.

by ogg on Aug 15, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agreed

I remember going to every game this past season, and defending Gilbert most of the time, but if he still hasn’t figured it out I think its time to cut the cord. The 1st and 2nd year starting you should expect a huge jump, but it seems like as his play continues to get worse he has lost all confidence in himself. I want to see GG succeed, but we need the guy who gives us the best chance to win and it just doesn’t seem to be him. Not his fault, seem people just have that ability like Colt and Vince and some don’t. Its just something you can’t teach.

by texasfight13 on Aug 15, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree on all accounts....

Will we continue to hear about mediocre or poor performances by Gilbert…..and he still starts against Rice?

If Ash keeps this up, he deserves the chance to see if he can carry this momentum into live action against an opponent.

by silky51 on Aug 15, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

REC'D!

"Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Aug 15, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto

On just wanting the best players to start. Coaches made a promise to play the best guys. Can’t go back on your word this early.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 15, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

HOLYCRAPITSFOOTBALL!!

Welcome back, football. Hot damn.

Amazing post to read. Many thanks, GhostRoy.

The team sounds so good it makes me nervous.

Except for that whole Quarterback issue. Here’s hoping Ash is the real deal. And Harsin let Kellen Moore take over the Boise job as a freshman—albeit a redshirt freshman. So, there’s that.

by hornball on Aug 15, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope Ash starts

Love to see what he brings. And hope that makes GG stronger.

by seattlehorn on Aug 15, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I think.......

Mack understands how quick he can lose a team this year by making the same stubborn starts with GG. I bet even IF GG starts sept 3rd that WHEN he plays poorly Ash will take the reins in the second half and we will watch him lead us to the promised land in 2013

by hookemdisney on Aug 15, 2011 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I've been out of the loop.

Any update on Christian Scott, as in a possible return this season? (Apologies if an update was posted elsewhere and I missed it).

"Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those that mind don’t matter and those that matter don’t mind."
- Dr. Seuss

by dimecoverage on Aug 15, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Mack said no decision will be made until the legal issues are settled

That could be awhile, I don’t think you should count on Scott being much of a factor this year. Even if (big if) his legal troubles are resolved and he is reinstated, he’ll have lost too much time to just jump in.

by CMDR on Aug 15, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

How is it that two of the best young playmakers

in Davis and Diggs, were nearly not offered scholarships? I’m still disappointed we never offered C. Michaels.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 15, 2011 10:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Well said.

Do not be distracted by what you see, but be transformed by what you believe.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 15, 2011 6:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Michaels thing is confounding

Don’t think Gray was ever seriously on our radar. If Akina was one of the ones that didn’t want to offer Quandre, it’s only because he didn’t want to see another player go the offense. I think a lot of that was Mushcamp’s love of big (read: tall) CBs. Still trying to figure out what the hell happened with Mike Davis.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 15, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kennedy flat-out missed on Davis.

No explanation, but it’s one of the reasons the dude has another job. I put the Diggs situation on Muschamp, though Akina should have gone to bat for the kid. Word is that Applewhite did and that was ultimately what put things over the top.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What Gilbert's been missing

can’t be fixed with a coaching change or more time in the film and weight rooms. It’s an intangible item, between the ears and in the heart, and you either got it or you don’t. You can maybe get by without it if you are playing long-snapper or right guard, but you can’t get by if you are in a leadership position like quarterback at The University of Texas.

 I coach young athletes for a living (although not football players) and there are some kids that have this quality and some that don’t. I can only describe it as an intense sense of confidence, an overly optimistic attitude and a relentless refusal to fail. We’ve had probably 1000 athletes come through our program over the last 11 years and I can say that I’ve seen it in fewer than 5%.

by kellen on Aug 15, 2011 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree...

The NC Game, the entire 2010 season, the spring game, now the first fall scrimmage…..if Mack starts GG against Rice, we are looking at 7-5 at best, and more likely 6-6, assuming a win at Rice.

I’m semi-confident and hopeful that Ash or McCoy will start and we won’t look back.

If they outlaw Willie Nelson, only outlaws will be Willie Nelson

by MeatchickenHorn on Aug 15, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if

GG bein thrown in the fire, so to say, in the NC game completely messed with GG head. Did the pressure cause him to press WAY too much, leading to him losing confidence in himself? It sucks cause I thought that GG would’ve been able to lead this team to a title run in his junior year. So much so I bet $100 on it his freshmen season.

"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey

by fanoflosingteams on Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's still early

And I still think he wll be the starter – there is no substitute for game experience.

On a side note – when did we start recruiting 35 year olds? Look at the pic of Nate Boyer at Camp Mabry – photo #13
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/view.gal?id=99535

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Speaking of the pic link
  1. is a perfect representation of pad level GoBR speaks about. Good balance, low pad level, feet under him = Wouldn’t be too fun to tackle Big Joe.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 15, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Supposed to say "Pic #2"

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 15, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Game experience?

Um…game experience is great if the QB shows growth and improves but GG has not shown that at all

If it was upto Mack then GG would start Rice but i’m confident that Harsin/Applewhite will tell Mack who is the best QB which looks like Ash

by jtdoes on Aug 15, 2011 12:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No substitute for game experience is correct

But there is a substitute for a turnover-prone starter with little confidence and bad body language who doesn’t know how to rise against adversity (without a Jordan Shipley action figure) and his name seems to be David Ash.

It Ain't Easy, But It's Worth It.

by DONSLIQ on Aug 15, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

These are all interesting viewpoints, but...

anti GG non-withstanding, how many 8, 9, 10 win teams come to mind that started a freshman QB?
If your argument is to use this year as a building year, would you make the same argument if you were Mack? Especially coming off a 5-7 year and with your job maybe being on the line?
Furthermore, anticipating the surrender by AtM and them retreating to the SEC, would you think there is a humongous national spotlight on the head coach of UT to have his team perform like the LHN stars they have been made out to be? Remember, perception is everything.

So, the delimma remains – start a, gulp, freshman, a weak armed legacy, a QB who couldn’t hit the inside of a barn or an under-achiever? Here’s hoping Harsin can cover them all up with his schemes!

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

* "An experienced under achiever?"

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

how many 8, 9, 10 win teams come to mind that started a freshman QB?

Hmmm, oh yeah, ours!

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 15, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I expected this

Colt was a RED SHIRT freshman – that makes him a sophomore. Hardly the same as Ash.

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's an asinine argument tbh.
And I still think he wll be the starter – there is no substitute for game experience.

You can’t argue two sides of a coin.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 15, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will re-phrase it for simplicity's sake

Because GG, a junior under-achieving QB, has a years worth of experience against multiple defenses and game situations, and because the other 3 QB’s do NOT – if I am Mack I hedge my bets by going with the kid that was my boy last year until he makes it impossible for me to play him anymore. My home in Barton Creek, my salary, my prestige, my JOB, my future, my LIFE depends upon the good fortunes of my team and I am scared s…less of using the unknown (s)!

I will follow this up with this question – when have you ever seen MB take a football gamble that he didn’t have to? It ain’t ALL GD’s fault!

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you want specific plays or general decision making?

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 15, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not interested in tactical - I'm interested in strategic decisions

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 16, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know, if Harsinwhite picks Ash

it will be because he runs the offense the best and does the skillful tasks – reading the defenses, hitting the tight passes, getting out of trouble, making first downs – the best. This gives the offense the best opportunity to develop and to win.

It seems silly to want or even consider anything less than that. Age and class are not always that relevant. Accuracy is.

by whills on Aug 15, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Aug 15, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is

I don’t think Harsinwhite has the choice. I would feel much safer if they did.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 15, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

I think it would reflect poorly on Mack if he can’t let his new coordinators have the autonomy to pick their quarterback. Maybe it’s just me hoping that Mack doesn’t meddle since he needs to stay away from messing with the offense, particularly evaluating running backs.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 15, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look, I'm not a starry eyed GG lover

I’m just opining what I think Mack Brown will do. The logic of the following….

Age and class are not always that relevant. Accuracy is
.
… is most of the fans base. Do I have to remind you of the Applewhite/Simms fiasco?
MB runs this show and he kept GD and GG, inspite of going 5-7. His pattern is well documented. There is an old business sayin – Success or failure starts at the top.
I don’t like it, you don’t like it – but there it is. If you can logically refute it, I am most willing to be convinced.

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because GDGD is tooling around Tulane currently

Link
He sent his friend packing, so something must have changed along the way.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 16, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't been near the net, so I didn't see this snidely.

Mack has no more leash and if this year goes poorly, probably no more time at this job.

Applewhite/Simms at least had more playing, on field info…but it was still a fiasco for Mack (at least from our perspective now; I thought so then). But you would think the man has learned from his mistakes…he has trusted and he’s been burned by it; he’s gotten complacent and been burned by it, twice no less (2007, 2010); he’s been burned by his recruiting judgment; now he is just setting up the future, whether he’s a part of it or not.

Mack lets Harsin (and Applewhite) make the QB decision. He’ll only step in if things get screwed up.

Innovation, particularly of offense, has a great history at Texas and is one of the reliable means of jump-starting a down cycle.

And the last straw: DeLoss and him have built a merchandizing monster…he feeds it one way or the other. His choice is an illusion.

by whills on Aug 18, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Job on the line?

You’re joking right? You really think Mack would have his job on the line after just this one season when he has had so many coaching changes this off season showing he’s making a genuine effort to fix everything?

You start the best player period. Starting another player because they played last year even though they helped to sink the season by putting most games out of reach by turning the ball over would be terrible. If Mack starts GG, I’d put money on UT losing at least 6 games.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Aug 15, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

And do you think his job would THEN be on the line?
If Mack starts GG, I’d put money on UT losing at least 6 games.

"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz

by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still need Gilbert

As much as I love hearing about Ash and his potential, I shudder to think of starting a true freshman on the heels of a 5-7 season.

Hopefully we can blend a Gilbert/Ash duo to shield Ash from over-hype and bearing all the pressure that comes with being UTs QB. To me the best outcome is similar to what Urban did with Tebow/Leak combo. Accentuate Ash’s strength while slowly feeding him more and more of the playbook and try to turn Gilbert into a game manager.

I guess a Case/Ash mix could also be an option. Either way disheartening for GG, I am never in favor of rooting against a young 20 something trying to reach his potential. Remember most of us struggled to handle the pressures of our day to day lives at that age let alone leading the Horns as QB. Yes Colt and VY did it. I think it’s safe to say GG is not cut from that cloth.

by HornsUpInLA on Aug 15, 2011 11:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Excellent post, good read.

"Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Aug 15, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe it's the source of his strength

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 15, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if it isn't

It’s too big of a risk to cut it now!

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by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 15, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Something could be living in there

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Aug 16, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

GoBR

I love you for this post.

by GoHorns on Aug 15, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think game experience matters

when its awful game experience. Game experience is only helpful when it reinforces things in a positive way. Gilbert’s game experience started off on a high in the national championship game where he came through the fire and battled back to make the game close.

It’s only declined in a negative way since that time. Its not like his experience got more positive as the season went along, it got worse and it seems from reports that it’s stayed on that negative decline.

Couple that with the fact that all the quaterbacks have had the same amount of time in this new offense and it’s a no brainer that the QB that performs best throughout the fall should start regardless of his classification.

by dudoo on Aug 15, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree, respectfully

There are things you just can’t see that you get in a live-action game. Whether or not he puts it together is on him.

But you can’t beat having real blitzers coming at you, different coverages or adjustments being made on the fly by a defense, etc. Good or bad. It’s what GG does with it that matters.

by 40A on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, but GG performed poorly in those situations, and is still poorly performing in practice situation. There is no evidence showing GG has improved or will improved. GG has proven that he can’t perform in games, why not let Ash prove that he can or can’t play in games?

by horninraidercountry on Aug 15, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Eyes Apparently Aren't Wide Shut After All!!

The only way you couldn’t notice how out of his league Gilbert was last season was if you weren’t watching the games, or you feasted solely on the coaching turmoil that was “Boom-CIW/I’m GD” as the reason for that debacle.

When athletes move from one level of competition to another they either rise to the challenge, muddle through, or fail. It’s pretty unanimous that Giblert didn’t rise to the occasion last year. The most generous review of his performance is that he had to work with poor offensive schemes and was surrounded by poor talent – so he muddled through. And then there’s those of us who saw enough to dislike in his play and zero to like that we pulled the plug and declared fail midway through last season.

It’s sad on a humanist level to hear that GG is perilously close to losing his career dreams, but I’m not an alumnus and Longhorn fan to enjoy and relish stories of human struggle that result in…failure of the team and program. And that’s what GG’s stewardship gave us. The coaches did him no favors by keeping him in the five-pick game, or starting twelve games last year for that matter.

Big, successful programs are not immune to QB competitions. But compared to the two programs I’d say have been more successful than UT’s since MB’s arrival the ’Horns fall for the wrong guy more frequently. OU and UF have endured starting the wrong QB at the beginning of a season like UT has, but their coaches have no problem reaching for the hook early – and have discovered Heisman-level freshman talent lurking in the preseason #2 QB slot. And the one time MB has done that so far he found out that VY was far better than Mock.

GG supporters often cite examples like Landry Jones having a bad freshman season, with 4-5 INT games himself. But LJ also had 5-6 TD games, he showed he could get it done the major college level. And even though he was inconsistent, he showed he had potential. To this day I’ve not heard a single Longhorn fan and GG supporter be able to cite one game, just one where he put it all together, was the leader, the hero for a win. The BCS appearance was probably his best – and he through how many picks and fumbled how many times? The NU win was on the strength of play calling, when GD finally taped down GG’s arms to his sides after throwing four balls directly to defenders and made him run instead – we squeaked out a win.

Why would we, as Longhorn fans, want to take the risk of another mistake-prone season by GG to compound the learning curve the entire offense is going through now? I’d rather take my chances on a freshman who’s showing potential, watch the entire offense learn together and have Ash come back in 2012 as an experienced returning starter in his sophomore season than wait for GG to finally get benched in his senior year, if ever, just because the coaches want to be humanists.

by RMHorn on Aug 15, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You're definitely allowed

a few typos in a post with that length. My favorite line of the post “The BCS appearance was probably his best – and he through how many picks and fumbled how many times?”

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by Darklust on Aug 15, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

GG has all the NFL tools

I think he is made to be a backup QB in the league. However, this is college. You don’t need to have a 6-4 230lb QB with a rocket arm to succeed. Colt did just fine. Kellen Moore did just fine. Hell even Pat White did just fine. Those players could lead their teams. Give me a leader at QB and I’ll feel a lot better about the season.

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by DONSLIQ on Aug 15, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously Starting to Believe

That the Asset is David Ash’s father. Man the hype machine is working overtime on this one. Especially when you consider there are very few true freshman that have led teams to success. Hearing the word “abysmal” associated with your Junior five star QB is tough to take – but I will still be rooting for GG to get his head out of his arse – as I think it is our best shot for a 10 win campaign.

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by realmccoy on Aug 15, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

make sure you read clearly what he is saying about Ash. He didn’t “over-hype”, but merely pointed out that Ash got the team down the field and made some plays with his legs.

And stars don’t mean a thing. I feel that sometimes it’s a little unfortunate for Texas to be Texas because they HAVE to recruit every five star in our state rather than evaluating the best QB and going after that player.

by 40A on Aug 15, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The QB position should be handled the same as all the others.

Start the best man for the job and the QB that gives the team the best chance to succeed.

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by PineypointG on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Kellen Moore played all four years at Boise

So there you go. If you’re ready to play, you’re ready to play.

by iamjackburton on Aug 15, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point

I want either Ash or McCoy to start and the other to take the back up role. I don’t think GG should even be on the depth chart.

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by Darklust on Aug 15, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I am very glad that there are people within the program that are willing

to give out information like this to some of the guys running websites, but I do have to wonder how Mack feels having a snitch or two giving out insider info. Or perhaps he doesn’t care and it’s part of the territory. Just thinking out loud. Carry on.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 15, 2011 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel so bad for GG

And I resolve to no longer bag on GG anymore. Sigh. Not his fault the coaching staff abused the poor kid all year last year….

by iamjackburton on Aug 15, 2011 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

To a degree, I agree

The problem is, Davis is gone. He should be developing at a faster pace than Ash, given that he has college experience. I’m definitely not saying that he should be head and shoulders above, but he should have some separation. With that not being the case, in fact the opposite being true, I have to place the “blame” (so to speak) on GG.

I truly want him to succeed. He seems like a genuinely good kid. But I don’t want to suffer a few more seasons of mediocrity because he’s a good kid.

Second to that, how would it look to the other players that Texas is recruiting if the coaches don’t show that they’re willing to play the best players that give the best shot at winning? I honestly think that if we continue to start GG, we will begin to lose some coveted recruits.

by GoHorns on Aug 16, 2011 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hadn't thought of this
Second to that, how would it look to the other players that Texas is recruiting if the coaches don’t show that they’re willing to play the best players that give the best shot at winning? I honestly think that if we continue to start GG, we will begin to lose some coveted recruits.

A DEFINITE argument for starting someone other than GG. You can’t fool the kids – THEY know who the players are!

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by Snide Aside on Aug 16, 2011 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

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