Garrett Gilbert: A Case of Revisionist History

throwing ints in a practice game is an indication that something is wrong.Major is a good QB coach.Mack was an offensive coordinator and Harsin can coach QBs also.

If they can’t put Humpty Gilbert together again it can’tbe doneat UT.

The fact that Gilbert put up numbers in HS is not 100% correlated to his success in college. In many players its true, but not in all. If GG were truly a good QB, he would be able to handle adversity (which his body language tells us he cannot) and he would have bounced back. GG never once picked himself up, shook off the dirt, and forged ahead confidently. He continues to suffer from the same problem bc it is innately part of who he is. He’s great on a good team, he sucks on a bad team. McCoy was a different person with a different personality. McCoy makes himself and others great through leadership. Gilbert was a man among boys in HS, just as Vince was a man among boys in CFB. Yet, neither of them have handled adversity particularly well at the next level. Adversity reveals character and toughness in a way that stats do not, and at this level, with this team we need a QB who knows how to handle that.

i really think Texas over look his leadership abilities he doesn’t have it at all

These are all valid arguments in defense of GG. Although he may be absolved of a lot of what went wrong last year, it still doesn’t make us a winning team which is the ultimate goal.

I’m not interested in playing “is it or isn’t it his fault” for the next season or two. Sadly that’s all it seems Gilbert has given us. I’m ready to move on.

He’s been misused a bit, but life is like that – tough on most everyone. I’m still not convinced Mack won’t start him against Rice though.

Lets hope for one thing and this i why i think Mack clean house he left it up to Greg Davis to prepare Garret Gilbert and he failed if Mack just continue to start this kid
im starting to question are leader

The good players have the ability to overcome adversity. Gilbert has had his share of adversity, he’s still getting his shot at starting and I personally hope we see him on the field again. If he doesn’t win the job it might be best for him to transfer if football is that important to him. Starter or transfer, either way I hope he tears it up. Good luck to him

Ouch!

If he didn’t throw another pick in the spring game, and two more this recent scrimage (and had only one first down!), maybe I’d think differently. He’s a junior. He’s had his shot. There are 3 other guys that deserve a chance. Where’s the love for them?

Had almost ground level seats in the N EZ. All of before is right — GDGD was/is a horrible QB coach. Our OL sucked beyond suckedness. We had no running game. Our receivers, well….

All that said, GG’s mechanics were awful. He locked on rcvrs from the snap, never appeared to progress past 1, never looked a DB off. That may all be GDGD’s fault. But even his NFL b/u QB dad should have seen that, and either helped him correct it, or go past GDGD and get Major to coach the kid on playing D1 QB. Never happened, and appears to be no better.

.25 says he is starting at UTSA w/in three years.

An easy package for GG combined with an inspired running game could make us all forget 2010. Hey, it could happen!

… until the Spring game. In that mostly favorable setting, playing mostly against the 2nd team defense (who were also learning a new system), he seemed to have made no progress on his demons. He played almost exactly like he did during the 2010 campaign and I expected to see better. From the reports we’ve all been reading from the fall practices, I’ve not seen much encouraging news that changes that opinion. The original post doesn’t present a very convincing case either.

All that said, here’s what I also believe: GG deserved his recruitment hype in the sense that his high school performance warranted it. His current disappointing performance is not necessarily a result of poor evaluation. He was in fact placed in a losing situation in 2010, and probably very poorly developed by the coaches both technically and mentally. Its almost impossible to quantify how much of the 2010 offense’s problems were due to him and not the myriad other deficiencies we had. He’s a nice kid put in an extremely tough situation (the likes of which I can only imagine) and I feel for him.

But whatever its origins, his performance so far has convinced me that he’s not the guy. I’d be delighted for him to prove me wrong. That particular slice of humble pie would be delicious.

I have tried to remain as positive as humanly possible concerning gilbert and this whole situation. i think the most recent practice update has finally shown what needs to happen. mack and diaz threw everything at these guys to see who could handle it. stunts, new blitz schemes, all kinds of looks that these QB’s have yet to see in practice and i believe the accuracy of the reports coming from Recruitocosm and barking carnival.

If ash is handling the chaos from our front 7 in practice better than our incumbent junior quarterback, its time to re-evaluate his place in the pecking order. Look we have the among the best defense in the B12 and if ash is moving the ball against these guys and commanding the respect of his teammates then who really cares if the guy is a freshman.

As pointed out in the post, nothing could possibly destroy GG’s confidence more than the 5 picks against K-State. This is about what gives texas the best chance to win. if Ash gets named the #1 QB, its because Harsin and Applewhite are calling the shots. We can and will be better this year, and whose to say that Ash doesn’t deserve a chance at trial by fire like GG got in MNC game?

 I say fuck it, if Ash is our leader, throw him out there and let’s win some games. You think making Ash a special package QB isn’t going to fuck with GG’s head? We aren’t winning the whole thing but we need a QB who can at least hit the guys Harsinwhite gets open.

Obviously we all see things through our own eyes, but my memories weren’t quite as complimentary as yours indicate – and yours weren’t especially glowing. I simply never gave as much weight to the elements around GG as you did, and I still don’t. So we agree to disagree to that extent.

I’ll reiterate a consistent point I’ve made about GG: he was incapable of putting together a single game that showed HE could pull off a win at this level. Young QB’s with potential typically struggle with consistency, great at some moments, careless at others. Aside from a couple of scampers in the NU game GG had absolutely zero great moments in an entire season. Zero. Sorry, the occasional deep pass he connected on mid-drive (and those led to maybe a FG or two, no TD’s, not even for 1st Downs at meaningful junctures).

That’s a bust, folks, and should have been identified and wrapped up mid-season after ISU, KSU at the latest. The bright side: GG is the oldest QB with only a couple seasons at most to learn the new offense and perfect it. in a perfect world I’d love it for Ash to wear a red-shirt and get all the practice and sideline experience he can before opening him up to the possibilities of being a dangerously good four-year starter.

But unless McCoy or Wood with their time on campus are ready to run the show at a level noticeably better than Ash then UT may not be able to afford that luxury.

BUT… as far as his supporting cast, name me one impact player, other than Shipley, that Colt had that GG didn’t. All the RBs were back, all but Shipley as far as WR. Colt never had a TE (Finley was hit or miss while he was there). And the OL was never great (see 2007, 2009). McCoy made plays, as much with his head as anything else, and the team believed in him. It was clear the team never believed in GG.

And while some things can be laid at other’s feet. It’s not the OL fault that he locks on receivers or has horrible mechanics or takes eight days to deliver the ball. He should have been benched at the half of KSU and Case should have been given the rest of the year to show what he could do.

As a die hard fan, if GG is the starter, then I hope he does well because I bear him no ill will. I simply think he is the latest example of a kid whose HS success didn’t translate to college (happens all the time). If Harsinwhite can’t turn him around, then it won’t happen. Period. At the end of the day the best guy should start. Period.

Gilbert wasn’t a bust and has lots of talent.

McCoy made lots of mistakes as a freshman. The difference was that McCoy corrected those mistakes. The reason he got sacked a dozen times in that ccg vs. Nebraska is because he knew when to eat the ball. Gilbert really didn’t show any progress in reducing his bad decisions. UT lost 7 games last year while outgaining 9 of their opponents. Turnovers were the difference. Gilbert still has potential to become very good, but I think we need to look hard at someone else since we haven’t seen that improvement in judgement.