Texas A&M Says Good Bye to Big 12
by Peter Bean on Aug 31, 2011 10:57 AM CDT
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PrintConfirming speculation that the Aggies would announce their intent to depart the conference prior to Thursday, the date on which penalties for leaving could be more severe, Texas A&M officials announced that they are departing the Big 12. As of now, the Aggies have nowhere to go. Presumably, they believe an invitation to join the SEC is imminent.
So this is it, at least as conference mates. The Aggies join Nebraska in the crybaby, I'm-taking-my-ball-and-going-home hall of fame. I'm sure at some point I'll feel a little sadness about our going separate ways, but... right now it's like watching Little Red Riding Hood in real life, and I, for one, am looking forward to watching Texas A&M get devoured by SEC wolves.
There's plenty more to come in all this, but the question is now ripe: Do you want Texas to continue to play Texas A&M in football? Personally, given how and why they've decided to leave, I'm not interested in giving them a Super Bowl each Thanksgiving to potentially redeem another crappy season in the SEC.
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I second
Boohoohoo. I don’t want to play with you anymore so I’m going to the Redneck Riviera to get pummeled by Nick Saban and Will Muschamp.
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
psstt...
Longhorn = Johnny Ringo. The bad guy who dies in the end. Nice pick, Aggie can live with that.
That makes about as much sense as
Agrocult claiming allowing women into their school somehow made them more competitive in football.
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You chose
to sum up Texas saying goodbye to A&M with a photo of Johnny Ringo.
I’m only pointing out how that story ended. I’m sorry that this confuses you.
Here is a tool that may help you
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Notice how the brain is orange, not grey?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Maroon, Moron
You say to-mah-to, I sat to-may-to
That's not Johnny Ringo, dumbass. nt
If the world was a school, we'd be homecoming king...
by adt2 on Aug 31, 2011 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
Hey Aggie, that is not Johnny Ringo.
by Eric Grandusky on Aug 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Effin A
That’s Curly isnt it ?
Well.. guess RunBevo and Preface didn’t catch that either.
Who's Johnny Ringo,
who’s Curly,
and who’s Preface?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You must not remember when I wrote this...
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You must not remember ..
that you failed to mention my screw up. You went on about women and competition, if I remember, not that I mixed up two movie characters… Nice try though.
You may have also forgot this...
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I laughed and I cried at this little minithread of awesome
Favorite part: “Ah, shit. I screwed up my trolling” … “ha HA! You didn’t point out my mistake! I win!”
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
by HookTech on Sep 2, 2011 8:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A&M said don't worry, they'll use their sheep as a buffer, or was that fluffer
@longhorn54b
by 54b on Aug 31, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
maroon vs maroon
It will be interesting to see how the teams handle playing each other and uniform options. Maybe we will just wear all white and hope it snows. Worked out well in Shreveport in 2000.
For Whom The Cowbell Tolls
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by The Bruce Dickinson on Aug 31, 2011 11:23 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Not in the SEC
Miss state and A&M Will be competing for last place in the west. I dont see them winning anything against LSU and BAMA.
You'll mourn soon enough
Give it time. I didn’t think I would feel any sort of sadness, but, alas, I find myself a little bit upset over this. Should Texas decide not to schedule the Aggies on turkey day, it would be my guess that it is Texas that will be made in to the bad guy. But, with A&M leaving, they are essentially turning the rivalry into a vegetable waiting for someone to pull the plug.
-S
I will miss A&M like I'd miss a kidney stone.
Just go ahead and flush…all toilets lead to the SEC.
@longhorn54b
by 54b on Aug 31, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
54B
BON’s poet laureate
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Aug 31, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's what I don't get.
Texas A&M University today officially notified the Big 12 Conference that the institution will submit an application to join another athletic conference. Should this application be accepted, Texas A&M will end its membership in the Big 12 Conference effective June 30, 2012.
Why the hell are we letting them withdraw on a contingency basis? Fish or cut bait, Aggies.
The contingency is just put in there fore legal reasons.
They’re pretending they haven’t been invited to the SEC.
by Texas Wahoo on Aug 31, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
If they DON"T withdraw by the deadline, they should pay the higher fee. Saying they are testing it out is not sufficient imo. I would stick it to them and make them play their game of chicken all the way.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
Does anybody know
if they have a right to buy out, or are we talking about damages (possibly liquidated) for breach?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
What if their application is
http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/suze-orman-kardashian.jpg
I’d laugh my ass off.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
chain restaurants
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
mmmmmm
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Aug 31, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did someone say my name?
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
What's your preference in this department?
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
In the Scotch department?
Pretty much anything that isn’t from Islay. I’m not a fan of the overpowering peat flavor.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
A lot of my friends that don't like peaty scotches changed their mind after trying one of the following two:
Lagavulin 12
Ardmore 12
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll try that sometime
thanks for the tip!
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Lagavulin 12 is a cask-strength, my mistake. The 16 year is friendlier :)
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer the Irish whiskeys
seem to be a lot smoother. But then, my favorite drink is a Rusty Nail (half Drambuie and half Irish whiskey (or Scotch))
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
They are smoother
They’re distilled an extra time compared to Scotch whiskys. Irish whiskey you get the smoothness, Scotch you get more taste, which is why I like Irish whiskey in mixed drinks and Scotch to drink neat.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
No love for bourbon here? :-(
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
"bourbon"
The word by itself brings back memories of people coming out of the hills (and their trailers) for all you can eat crab legs at Red Lobster. the smell of snow crab and Jack still haunts me…
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
Jack
Is not a bourbon. And, it’s really unfortunate that you haven’t been privvy to the gloriousness that is the lovely, spicy, sweet, aroma filled decadence of a glass of fine bourbon.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Jack technically is a bourbon.
Unfortunately many liquors are being inappropriately labeled as bourbons because they are derived from corn. Its the equivalent of calling everclear vodka.
Gentleman Jack...
…is technically a bourbon. Jack No. 7 is not.
Which is not to say that I dislike No. 7, because it’s pretty enjoyable. I drink more GJ now though, and Woodford Reserve. Mmmmm.
Thank you.
Jack is a Tennessee whiskey. And Woodford is amazing, but I’ve developed a love for Wild Turkey Rare Breed. It’s become my go-to sippin’ whiskey.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
The Tennessee whiskey thing is bs.
Its an advertising ploy to separate themselves from the others. Their is no such category as Tennessee whiskey.
I do like these bourbons
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
per The Source (aka Wikipedia)
Whiskey sold as Tennessee whiskey is also defined as Bourbon under NAFTA and is required to meet the legal definition of Bourbon under Canadian law, but some makers of Tennessee whiskey do not label their product as Bourbon and insist that it is a different type of whiskey when marketing their product.
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
Fair enough.
I stand corrected. Maybe the marketing has gotten to me, but I distinguish on taste. That whole charcoal thing really alters the taste to me, and I try to keep a crowbar separation between the two.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
A lot of that stuff though
is the companies making that argument to try and circumvent restrictions and such and not because there’s actual differences. Guinness did that in Germany for a while, arguing that their product was “Guinness,” not beer (Before the ECJ disallowed the regulations in the Creme de Cassis case in 1987, Germany regulated what products sold as beer could have in them and Guinness didn’t fit their requirements). I’m skeptical of those claims from the producers themselves.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
it is NOT a bourbon
I didn’t take the time to read the entire wiki link, but I’ve been in the business a long time and currently tend bar in one of the oldest and busiest bars in the US. As a result I have been able to attend classes on many types of products. Every distiller I have ever spoken to says the same thing, once Jack’s “white dog” goes through charcoal it can not be called a bourbon. Jack Daniels will tell you that as well as makers and Jim beam. However NAFTA chooses to handle Tennessee whiskey’s exportation doesn’t change that fact.
by sahyouni on Aug 31, 2011 9:35 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
For the legal eagles
See 27 C.F.R. 5.23(a)(1) (which is actual law as compared to Wiki law made up by the masses) stating:
(a) Additions.
(1) The addition of any coloring, flavoring, or blending materials to any class and type of distilled spirits, except as otherwise provided in this section, alters the class and type thereof and the product shall be appropriately redesignated.
Hence, filtering through charcoal requires redesignation as something other than “Bourbon.”
There's more to that reg
(2) There may be added to any class or type of distilled spirits, without changing the class or type thereof, (i) such harmless coloring, flavoring, or blending materials as are an essential component part of the particular class or type of distilled spirits to which added, and (ii) harmless coloring, flavoring, or blending materials such as caramel, straight malt or straight rye malt whiskies, fruit juices, sugar, infusion of oak chips when approved by the Administrator, or wine, which are not an essential component part of the particular distilled spirits to which added, but which are customarily employed therein in accordance with established trade usage, if such coloring, flavoring, or blending materials do not total more than 21/2percent by volume of the finished product.
The reg doesn’t prohibit charcoal-filtered whiskey from being called bourbon, neither there nor in the legal definition of bourbon in 5.21. Moreover, NAFTA went into effect in 1994 and that reg in 1969, so NAFTA’s definition will prevail as the later in time.
Distillers may say that, but that is not a correct understanding of the law.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
It almost upsets me
To have legal jargon interjected into my whiskey (and whisky) talk. I deal with that shit all day, and I just want to enjoy my damned bourbon. I know I broached the topic, but dammit, I didn’t want to have to start arguing the interpretation of the fucking code of federal regulations.
I think we’re all the way to the right, so that was a response to Em.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Sorry.
I think the legal aspects of things I’m interested in are interesting.
@53
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Ugh.
Em, that NAFTA reg rapes the point of bourbon. One of the purposes of defining bourbon was to keep flavorings out of it. I still don’t see cherry-flavored whiskey ever marketed as bourbon, for example, so I’m wondering how binding that reg is, domestically.
FWIW, Jack Daniels does not sell Gentleman Jack as bourbon, because they are forbidden to, as filtering the whiskey through sugar maple charcoal counts as “flavoring”…which is BS IMO.
@danielt
rapes the point
No, it doesn’t. Watering down a legal definition is not like rape. Poor word choice. I think you mean it “destroys” or “renders the distinction meaningless.”
What “NAFTA reg?” The reg that was posted is from the Code of Federal Regulations, which is going to be binding in the US unless superseded by something else. It’s as binding as any other federal regulation, it just depends on how the language is defined – maybe cherry flavor is not “harmless” or “customarily employed,” or maybe it would be technically legal but no one has chosen to do it.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I've just never really gotten into Bourbon
and I prefer Scotch. Some of that undoubtedly has to do with my unabashed pro-Scotland bias (studied abroad there and loved it, and did the whole learn about whiskys thing there too. Plus, Scotland was the country that taught me to drink). But I’ve just never enjoyed bourbons much. They aren’t bad, but not on my list of top choices.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Do not cross swords with LonghornEM
She has a freshly printed law degree and can still remember her law books and, in addition, she is smart as hell.
I will, however, contest her taste in scotch. I have attempted on several occasions to try to make this hellish liquid palatable, but to no avail. Remembering an unfortunate experience as a child, I equate the taste to generic Mercurochrome.
Otherwise, she has my deepest admiration.
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
Aww, you're making me blush.
Five years later, and after choosing Scotch for my aperitif at every Sunday lunch, I am still known to my French host family as “the American girl who loves Scotch.” I’m proud of it.
Love the sig, btw.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
A concise summary of my thoughts of Bourbon
and fittingly, my thoughts on the Aggies leaving as well.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Lagavulin FTW
Best.Scotch.Ever.
But then I like peaty, smoky bombast.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Agreed.
If you haven’t given Ardmore a shot though, do. It’s very similar in taste to Lagavulin and about 1/3rd the price (you can pick it up for <$30 a bottle at Twin Liquors)
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like all the Islay singe malts
Laphroig, Ardbeg, Ardmore….the lot. Nothing else in the world tastes like that.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
“‘Actually I thought it was quite ironic that the product that I use to protect my couch from spilling my Scotch on it was called Scotch-guard. Sometimes, things just work out like that.’ ‘Do you have anything to protect from spilling Scotch on something?’ ‘Hmm, let me see….here, Scotch-guard’ ‘Perfect…!’”
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Ron White FTW
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by horns1025 on Aug 31, 2011 1:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A must try
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If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
WILD TURKEY
When things turn wierd, the weird turn pro.
oh hail the Purple and White
HST = Best political writer and observer of social norms since at least 1950.
oh hail the Purple and White
The purses and shoes will be out soon.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
You and dime are on your own for that one
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Surely you have found Neiman's at the Galleria?
If you can get past the Godiva section there are shooooeeeeessss by the thousands and purses so lovely they will bring a tear to your eye,,if you can get past the Godiva section. Godiva and Tiffany’s are just so distracting.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
Actually, I'm really a poor excuse for a woman
1. I’m allergic to chocolate, so Godiva isn’t an attraction for me.
2. If I were given $1000 to spend however I liked, I’d spend it on a plane ticket somewhere incredible, or on some gorgeous Le Creuset cookware, or on nice wines and whiskys, or on lots and lots of books, not on fancy purses and shoes. I don’t really enjoy spending money on purses and shoes at all.
3. I choose not to wear diamonds because of the conflict diamond thing, so Tiffany’s isn’t really an attraction for me either.
Plus living inside the loop I hate going outside the loop, so I actually haven’t been to the Galleria at all since I’ve lived in Houston (I’ve been other times though). I should go just to window shop and people watch sometime that isn’t a Saturday.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I lived/served my time in Houston just out of college. I did it the smartest way ever in life. I lived in Tomball and worked in Sugarland. Brilliance, yes? I understand not wanting to move around outside the comfort zone and weekends were so hard to come by and only lasted 15 minutes,,I didn’t waste them shopping back then either. Shopping is a wonderful thing to do now when weekends last 4 days or longer.
Excellent call on the cookware. I’m still in love with my Calphalon but have a couple of Le Creuset pieces that I adore.
Diamonds,,they come from God. Like Scotch. Same plane I’m sure. My daily delusion.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
I'll drink to that
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Whatever your poison,
Let us hope that this season, our glasses will be raised to toast the resurgence of the greatness that is Longhorn Football, and not to the resurgence of toast.
Indecision may or may not be my problem.
by rktlaw on Aug 31, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll rec to that
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont understand
how we can be willing to throw away century old tradition, just because we suddenly do not like each other enough to not be in the same conference. We never liked each other, yet we are the two oldest and largest public universities in Texas and heck we also share the same endowment… Whats wrong with us, and I mean both Texas and Texas A&M fans…
I for one would be very dissappointed if we no longer play each other.. It has always been classic.
Think about this as Florida and Florida State. they are not in the same conference but still play each other.
Greg Davis... Gone!
by Crimson Fog on Aug 31, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This is not about doing them favors
This is about relationships and the fact that we are tied, whether we like it or not. We cannot give up a century old tradition because it is no longer convenient. Thanksgiving day has always been about the lone star rivalry.. and we lead the series goddamit
Greg Davis... Gone!
by Crimson Fog on Aug 31, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks to the agrocult
.. and we lead the series goddamit
Always will
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Except when it wasn't
Thanksgiving day has always been about the lone star rivalry
It has only recently been moved back to Thanksgiving day after A&M’s shenanigans kept the game from being on tv. Hell, we had to play Baylor one year on t-day because of it.
I thought it was about Pilgrims
or giving thanks or something.
I just rather play ND
That has alot more oomph and national appeal. The number 2 and 3 all time winningnest programs. The Lone Star showdown has appeal in Texas for sure, but a Texas ND clash goes from sea to shining sea.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Nah, lets schedule Nebraska
add another game into the win column every year. While were on the subject since we are so good at driving people out how do we get rid of K-state.
I have suspected this to be the plan for a while now
oh hail the Purple and White
I figured you were listening,
Wildcatman.
Wait, I thought y'all LIKED us.
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I think you give us a little taste of what we gave Nebraska and it doesn’t go down smoothly.
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that's different.
Y’all aren’t whiny butthurt bitches about it. In fact, you’re damned good sports.
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Cheers, sir..nt
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
See, that's why we like you.
You’re reasonable. :) And, of course, always welcome here. Your team, on the other hand….
You seem like nice people
if you could just stop beating us all the time in everything, we’d be golden.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Like I told one of your compadres over on EDSBS
It’s not OUR fault Mack — faced with a defense composed of four clueless linemen, three linebackers who couldn’t outrun my mother, and a secondary which was only half-competent — decided to send Garrett Gilbert out there and throw a bazillion passes right at guys in silver helmets. I mean, if you’re going to hand us a win on a silver platter, it would be exceedingly poor form for us to decline, no matter how politely.
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I'm not sure Mack knew what was happening
The 16 passes in a rows or whatever it was kind of speaks to the effectiveness of our erstwhile offensive coaching strategy last year. That was just bizarre. We’ll try to make you earn it this year.
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It was more than 20 passes in a row.
Including a stretch of interceptions on three consecutive passes.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 31, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't disagree with any of this
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Florida and Florida state have never been in the same conference - it's a different situation.
by Texas Wahoo on Aug 31, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
UGA and Georgia Tech are though
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I don't know enough about the relationship btwn UGA and Georgia Tech to comment.
by Texas Wahoo on Aug 31, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
(edit) *were though...
Texas Wahoo, you are right though, every situation is different; I don’t know the details but I have heard there were a lot of hard feelings back in the day when GT left from SEC schools but the instances I have seen were more focused on the Bear and Bobby Dodd. There does seem to be plenty of hate that makes for a great game in the “Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate” rivalry.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Yeah, it was 'Bama what run Tech off.
1963, a ‘Bama player threw an elbow into the face of a Tech player. Shattered the poor guy’s cheekbone. Media got hold of it, things got to the frame-by-frame photo stage of brouhaha. Bobby Dodd wanted something done about it, and all the Bear would say was “He’s my player, I’ll discipline him as I see fit.”
Also, at the time the SEC had the “140 rule”, which was the scholarship limit there at the time. All the other SEC schools would take scholarships away from guys who weren’t good enough; Dodd insisted that if a player wasn’t good enough, it was the coach’s fault for recruiting a stiff. If you were a Tech recruit, you got a full four-year ride. (Shades of the medical redshirt controversy, eh?) Anyway, Dodd wanted a hard limit on annual scholarships so that the other schools couldn’t cut 20 guys and then go out and sign 65 new players to get back up to 140; the other schools essentially told him to pound sand.
And those were the two main reasons Tech left. Had nothing at all to do with UGA directly.
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It will eventually end
Even if we do decide to play them for say, the next 5 years, the rivalry will still be diminished dramatically because it is not likely that we would play them in any other sport. I don’t care if is rowing, any competition with A&M is bitter and that will most likely become a thing of the past.
Although, one could argue that allowing only one game a year in one sport would make the rivalry that much stronger.
-S
Why couldn't there be
Alternating home games/series every year in men’s/womens basketball, baseball, softball, tennis, soccer, volleyball, etc?
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Aug 31, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There certianly could be, but...
it seems unlikely that our respective athletic departments will have an easy time working together to arrange it. The relationship is pretty likely damaged at this point.
Besides, many of these events would be televised on the Longhorn network. How would the ags feel about that? (Truthfully, I suspect that the families of the soccer team wouldn’t mind being able to catch the game on TV.)
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The only way they should play
is if the game in on LHN.
by UPB13 on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 12 recs
Well played
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by 40AS on Aug 31, 2011 11:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats my thought
1. Dont play them the next few years
2. A string of 4 and 5 win seasons ensue for aggies
3.Offer to resume series only if it is on LHN
4. Profit
by BEW on Aug 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You and 40A are different people.
This just dawned on me.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I had a similar experience with a pair of sisters.
Didn’t end as well as I’d hoped.
3/19/2009 & 12/15/2009 - Games Where Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
Actually we're two people
Sharing the 40AS name. But yes, 40A is an entirely different person. He or she has chosen a username wisely.
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by 40AS on Aug 31, 2011 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely
a dude. But thanks for the compliment. I seriously thought about spelling out “acres” but got lazy and stayed with “A”. The rest is history.
I want to play them
Why not take a win against an SEC opponent. They are the ones that ran away, not us. So, We will stand firm and represent the great state of Texas….I can’t wait. Finally I may consider them a rival and adversary worth playing. And, I wouldn’t want them to have to re-write all their songs.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
by Wrangler86 on Aug 31, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is the risk/reward there?
We don’t know how good A&M will be. If there a middling or even bottom team, it’s not going to help us at all, regardless if they are in the SEC. It’s not like we’re creating a series with LSU or Alabama.
by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 31, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
Can we get on with the important stuff now?
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Like Reggieball's BBall article on the blocked shot?
Poor guy has gotten, like, 7 comments last I looked. It’s all about timing. Hang in there Reggie!
I'm with you
I feel bad that legitimate sports discussions are taking a back seat to this, but that said…it’s so…damned…intriguing and addicting…
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
I'd much rather read zingers & one-liners directed at aggy right now ...
… than any legit sports discussion. That usually is not the case with me but, like you said about it being addicting, it’s an anti-aggy feeding frenzy & maroon blood is in the water. This is TOO easy!
I guess we better get our fill while we can
From the looks of it, we’re not going to have much of a reason to talk about them anymore.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
And if we can stop going 5-7 & get to our previous level of greatness ...
… aggy will be the last thing any of us are thinking about. Still can’t believe they’re leaving. They are going to get roasted in the SEC, regardless of how much money they’re making.
Thats why we need BYU
The plethora of Mormon jokes will more then make up the void the Aggies leave.
Agree with PB's reasoning
As long as the BCS exists, at least, it would be silly to allow a rivalry game where anything can happen to derail potentially great seasons; honestly that goes for Aggie too.
The fact that people in Florida do something does not make it rational. Indeed, perhaps the opposite is true.
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by 40AS on Aug 31, 2011 11:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Haven't gotten over the hanging chad have you?
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by 54b on Aug 31, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He invented the internet ...
… but he should have invented a better voting machine.
I think we should whip his ass for that
A byproduct of the internet has been TexAgs and 12th man popping up. Not cool, Al. Not. Cool.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
I wouldn't try to whip his arse, if I were you.
You don’t know what kind of hardware he’s hiding in that beard. Dude is prolly armed to the hilt.
But That is What will Happen with ND - right?
If all this talk about ND affiliation has some legs – we all know they will not join the Big XII as a memeber. Makes zero sense. What would make ND tingle is a Thursday night Turkey day affair against Texas. I get a chubby just thinking about that national apppeal. Maybe we go home and home. Maybe it goes permanent in Jerry’s World.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
You hit it on the head Peter
Why give Aggie a Super Bowl every year? The last thing Texas needs is a mortally wounded 4 – 7 Aggie team coming into Austin on Thanksgiving desperately needing a win against the sips to make a horrible year "worthwhile."
Good bye to Corps marches at the Capitol, good bye to midnight yell practice at DKR. Texas is done accommodating the Ags.
by billfromlaketravis on Aug 31, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
But beating the hell out of them is fun
And, God knows, they won’t be bowl eligible so how else can we play them.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
Again why accommodate the Aggies? What Texas have to gain? Office bragging rights for Texas Exes? Texas can replace TAMU on Thanksgiving with a more appealing nationally relevant game.
by billfromlaketravis on Aug 31, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell
I’d even be alright with replacing the TAMU game with the Red Raiders on Thanksgiving if we can’t get a yearly national matchup.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Aug 31, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd go for that
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas Fight!
Texas Fight! And, it’s goodbye to Texas Tech!
Doesn’t have quite the ring, but the rhyme scheme remains the same.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Wait
Wrong. “win” clearly doesn’t rhyme with Tech. Fail.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
It never had a correlation with Aggy either
Its all good.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
What about
Texas Fight! Texas Fight!
And it’s goodbye to Texas Tech
Texas Fight! Texas Fight!
And, the aggies can suck our d*ck!
Disclaimer: Not pulling an immature, aggie-like move. Levity is all it is.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Not sure how much LonghornEm and Dime would enjoy singing that line
But I like where your head is at. Always thinking forward.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
There are anatomically appropriate words that sort of rhyme
that we could substitute. Generally speaking.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
This is true
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Mack would not be happy with you lol but damn is that funny
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by horns1025 on Sep 2, 2011 3:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the lyrics as they are now are more fitting than ever
but how many years will it still be fitting to say “goodbye to a&m”? it will be perfect to sing that to them this year
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
THIS year
What about in the future? Do we hold on to those lyrics on tradition alone, or do we make the change if the rivalry doesn’t continue?
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
From an outsider, I'd say keep 'em.
oh hail the Purple and White
I tend to agree.
At least it isn’t most of a verse like aggy.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
If we end up shelving the Lone Star Showdown ...
… it’s only a matter of time ’til anti-sooner lyrics work their way into our fight song. I vomit. I sure wish the sooners were bolting with aggy. Nothing would be sweeter.
we could make it past tense
instead of “and it’s goodbye to a&m” it could be “it was goodbye to a&m”
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
kazoos
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Take it easy. I don't think TxHorns got the memo.
No singing. Orange kazoos from here on out.
I’d be cool with that too. The rivalry has gained a lot of attention recently. The 2008 game in Lubbock captured the nation’s attention. When was the last time TAMU vs. Texas captured the nation’s attention? Uh, it’s been a while.
by billfromlaketravis on Aug 31, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a an interest in both sides
Regarding this particular game, so from a purely selfish standpoint, I’m all for it.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Uh, how 'bout 2009?!
That’s when Colt sealed his Heisman … only to have it ripped from him by the short-memory media … and a boy named Suh.
I dig the Cash reference.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
That Suh was a Mean Eyed Cat
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
And he fell into a burning ring of fire
When we kicked that game winning field goal.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Ouch
I try to avoid hits on the head Peter, but point taken ;)
However, could it be more to do with letting them play a marquee (televised) game in Texas? Teams from out of state constantly try to play games in Dallas and Houston in order to help foster inroads into Texas recruiting. Why let them get exposure here when Texas exposure is our main advantage (whereas playing in the SEC is their ‘advantage’)
So coming from an outsider, what does this mean for Texas moving forward?
going to stick with the Big 12? what if another team like Mizz leaves? What would you guys like to see happen. Independent? Pac 12+…. I’m a pac 12 fan and I wont lie I would love to see them take Ok, Ok st, Texas, and someone else and do an east west division. East would have Ok, Ok st, Texas, arizona, Arizona st, utah, colorad, and whoever the last member is.
I think the Pac 12
is the most likely destination if the Big 12 collapses. Texas Tech would probably come along with Texas, OU, and OSU.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 31, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now it looks like it might be best option
if a major realignment scenario occurs, although the LHN is a bit of a stumbling block. Not sure I like it as much as a regional network shared with Texas Tech.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 31, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What about the implications of playing on the west coast
This reminds me of the MLB realignment speculation earlier this year, and being from Houston, I heard many people not liking the idea of the Astros moving to the AL West (or taking the Dbacks spot in the NL West) and playing games at 9 pm CT when they face the western most teams out there.
Over the past decade there were always rumblings of USC not getting enough TV coverage since they played out there. Has that belief been squashed as of lately, especially with Oregon playing for the NC last year? What do y’all think? I personally would like the idea of traveling out to games in Cali but would prefer not to watch kickoff at 9 pm.
I guess that would be
a moot point if we were able to keep the LHN and continue to hopefully add more major carriers. But still the 9 pm kickoffs worry me unless we could guarantee some earlier start times.
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SMU will be performing for the Big XII-II-I on Sunday
I don’t want SMU in the conference, but I sure as hell hope they beat the snot out of the Aggies now.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
It would be hilarious if they did win this Saturday
Ruin the farmers’ big chance in how many years now? lol. Don’t think it’ll happen, though, but stranger things have happened at farmerland.
by iamjackburton on Aug 31, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
(Sunday)
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
They play on Sunday?! That's just un-American, man.
Maybe SEC is holding the invite pending the outcome of the Pony game? Would be QUITE embarrassing for aggy if June Jones & the runnin’ Ponies whup their arse. (Craig James approves of this message.)
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Aug 31, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
SEC Teams in my Family
Wife went to UGA and nephew went to Bama. So…for all the Ags in my family – you know who you are- I say so long and “Dig’em Dawgs” and “Roll Tide”! See you when we play in the next millenium!
problem with the poll...
there’s not a selection for: Hell No!!!
The Color Purple
You mean an Oprah Winfrey (Miss Sophia) from The Color Purple head cocked eye rolling "Hell Naw"!!! – This coming from a former player who loved to Beat the Hell out of TA&MU.
Pass on playing them. . . .
and, not due to spite or anything else, but do to the (likely flawed) belief that the conference championship is the #1 goal of the season (which conveniently, inherently means beating OU), so the concentration down the stretch should be on conference. For me, that means no more TAMU on Thanksgiving, as all eyes should be concentrating on winning out Beebe’s Dozen.
As for earlier in the season, I’m not sure i see the point. It just wouldn’t be the same.
This is like your 40 year old son telling you he is finally moving out
He has lived with you for so long and lived a life of fantasy. You fed, clothed, nurtured, and supported him, while all along he constantly complained how life is unfair and how he is mistreated. Then along comes a woman who he believes will save him from this misery. Except in this instance, the SEC will be Aggies own personal “Crying Game”. The parents can care less, they are just elated that he finally GTFO of the house!
No coming home on Thanksgiving. That ungrateful bastard needs to eat with his new inlaws.
by longhorn1997 on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
No
The SEC is going to be more like a dominatrix clad in leather and spikes that will chain aggy to a splintered board with rusty nails, administer testicle clamps powered by a 1,000,000 watt battery, and beat the living hell out of aggy with a ten foot long whip laced with a mixture of pure pepper extract and battery acid for the rest of aggy’s miserable existence while aggy cries to itself as it is forced to stare at an animated gif on loop of its favorite sheep being hanged.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
That is... excessively descript.
You (maybe I) know too much.
I was going for vivid imagery.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Are you sure you're not a gal?
That was just painful to read. I crossed my legs as a defense mechanism.
I can't think of a single lady I know
That would come up with something that f-ed up. I have a dark sense of humor at times, and it reared its ugly head on that one. Still, I was oddly pleased with myself.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
You should be very pleased - and you deserve a pat on the back for creativity.
No girl could make that up. They usually just skip it all and go straight to the Bobbitt Procedure.
I have added lnghrn53 and robthecob
to my will. L53 for creativity and RBC for witty reparte’. I hope you both enjoy my massive collection of DVD’s when I am gone.
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
Thanks, Snide. It's always a pleasure to ride the coattails of a deviant imagery savant.
Dibs on the Dirty Dancing anniversary-collection disc! Get your hands off, 53!
I still laugh at the time we came home early and found Aggie naked, sprawled out on the floor with a bowl of pudding and...
about year-supply worth of cotton balls.
It’s good he’s moving on, but the memories remain.
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by 54b on Aug 31, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather see OU in the turkey slot.
Home and home. Biggest game, at the end of the season. When’s our contract up on the State Fair game (not that contracts really matter, right, umat?)
See ya later, alligator.
No way
There is nothing like that game anywhere. It’s not the same if it doesn’t happen during the state fair. And anyway, every conference plays their rivalries and championship games at the end of the season. Putting OU in October makes it a bigger TV draw.
I respect your opinion. It just seems to put such a damper on the season when we lose a big game early. I would think we could put together another ooc match-up that weekend at the State Fair that could be almost as big a deal as Tx-OU. Until, 1998(?) Tx-OU was an OOC game anyway.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as the game remains at the State Fair, I'm with you
but I have my suspicions that Jerry Jones will play an inevitable role in luring the game to Arlington, at which point I think I might just have to unload an entire pistol clip in my face. If it comes to that, I’d strongly prefer a Thanksgiving home-and-home.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I laughed out loud
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I refuse to ever step foot in the cathedral we know as JerryWorld, the phallic symbol Jones built to himself. Only Roman emperors, French kings and Egyptian pharaohs were arrogant enough to build that kind of monument to themselves. It rarely ended well.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Aug 31, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
JerryWorld, phallic?
Well I guess it is domed and can be circumcised if the weather’s nice.
@longhorn54b
Well the collisium (pardon my spelling I’m tired) and the Eiffel Tower and the Pyramids are still standing so maybe in 1500 years future generations will tour the ruins of the Death Star I mean Cowboys Stadium
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by horns1025 on Sep 2, 2011 3:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Never realized you had such a steady hand. nt
by whills on Aug 31, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that is a tough grouping under the circumstances
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
Okay, this is one game I refuse to give up
Playing OU every year is awesome. It gives me the perfect excuse to travel out of town for a whole weekend and see some old friends and eat really, really bad (and unhealthy) food. Plus, drink lots and lots of beer. Doing that during the Turkey Day game just ain’t the same.
by iamjackburton on Aug 31, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
What you described sounds a lot like thanksgiving, IMO
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And we fry our turkey too, so that adds to the “FRY THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING” State Fair mentality parallel.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
bad idea
There’s nothing like the RRR, in the Cotton Bowl, at the State Fair, in all of sports. Don’t even speak of f****ing with that.
+1
You lose to OU at the end of the season NO NC, but if you happen to lose early you can still claw your way back up in the rankings for a possible shot at the big DANCE…!!!
RRR is a circle your calendar game for Texas players! Coming out of that tunnel to all those hisses, jeers, taunts, and boos only to see a sea of G_D’s greatest people showing their Horns all clad in "Burnt Orange" is nothing short of spectacular for any player… :) I still get chills to this day…
If it's not A&M, who cares about Thanksgiving?
The whole point is tradition. With another school, that’s gone. I’d just soon watch the Cowboys on Thanksgiving and save the Horns for Saturday night.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Friday or Saturday night would be MUCH better, IMO.
I am not blessed, like you guys, with one of those families that embrace the game. I usually have to leave in the middle of family time to revert myself to the back room & 18" CRT TV – or – drive like a bat-outta-hell to get to a bar or hotel room by kickoff. Since I don’t drink alcohol, the nachos I slowly eat barside, for 3 hours, usually do not placate the barkeep & his stare of displeasure. Yes, the Cowboys are plenty enough for Turkey Day. Make it a fun & full weekend by the ’Horns playing the next day.
Well, they certainly haven't been lately.
The snow game vs. the Dolphins was fun, though. (Leon Lett does not endorse this message.)
TT
Friday with the Sand Aggies. Let A&M know they’ve left the building and we aren’t letting them back in.
Simple version
Which is what I think PB is saying, is that game means more to them than it does to us. What they are saying is yes, cake and eat it. We don’t have to play that game.
I remember the SWC rivalries – Arkansas was as big as it got, especially the ‘69 15-14 game. I look at the SMU games, especially in the ’80s, with fondness.. “Your Moms are our maids”, and “I would have gone to Texas, but Daddy got a job.”. But life went on, just as this will. Now, certainly wouldn’t say the same if the RRS went away. That is a special game, for many reasons. At one level, aTm is just another home and home series.
Agros, enjoy the bed you made. We won’t be sleeping with you. The game had lost national relevance, and there isn’t any reason to use a showcase slot like Thanksgiving night for a family feud. ND-UT, home and home, Jerry World and Lucas Oil? That has me peeing in my pants. Money.
Why not offer to play them like normal
But require that at least every other year the game is on the LHN. The Aggies get enough from the game that they would likely have to entertain this requirement and the pain I imagine them having while doing so makes it even sweeter.
To hell with em..
It probably won’t happen, but I would love to see Texas vs ND Thanksgiving. I just think it would be cool
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A&M
I bet A&M doesn’t realize how much this move will hurt the economy of the Bryan/College Station area. Waco city officials say that Waco’s economy will also suffer some. This move will not be good for the other athletic programs at A&M. Plus, there’s no guarantee that A&M will be invited to join the SEC.
by Ryan2907 on Aug 31, 2011 12:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Well
A&M hasn’t officially left the conference yet, so if none of the conferences that are applied to accept A&M, then A&M will remain in the Big 12 by default.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Aug 31, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Aggies believe
that SEC fans coming into town will boost the economy in BCS.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 31, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You laugh in Spanish!
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Better upgrade Walmart. How many people can actually fit into the Dixie Chicken?
My thought is that
after going to College Station a couple times and realizing how difficult it is to get there, opposing fans won’t be nearly as likely to make the trip.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 31, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
How long before you have an Auburn fan
Poison an Aggie Fan for not sitting down and blocking his view?
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
How are they going to get to BCS?
No airport? They will have to fly into Austin or Houston. My guess is they’ll choose to stay in Austin or Houston as well given the option.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
why would anyone wanna go to College Station?
Ignore the fact that its a boring as hell town but if you are there and you aren’t wearing maroon you get all sorts of uncomfortable looks and all sorts of rude gestures…and this is at the gas station on the very edge of town imagine what its actually like in the town
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by horns1025 on Sep 2, 2011 3:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I've already said
Why help their recruiting efforts by playing them? UT doesn’t owe them a damned thing – they are the ones leaving the Big 12 in the lurch – their word means nothing!
Frankly, I think this is war – if the SEC believes their new b,,,, can help them gain inroads to Texas recruiting I say let the LHN start televising highschool games in Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama. Make it a mandate for ANY SEC school that wants to schedule UT that they must play on LHN.
Bring it, aggy cowards and SEC!
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by Snide Aside on Aug 31, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Several thoughts
1. Sad to see the rivalry end — but it takes two.
2. No way we play them in football for at least five years. They’re gonna get SEC’d. If we beat them at the end of the season when they’re 4-7, it’s not going to help our national ranking.
3. I’m fine with playing in the other sports — maybe once a year in hoops, but a couple of series a year in softball & baseball would be a plus. Easy travel, top level competition.
4. I feel bad for the athletes who will get beat on. This is not their doing.
Who the F cares where or who Ag plays.
I just want to watch Texas Longhorn football this weekend!
by Dawnpatrol on Aug 31, 2011 12:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
And that is going to be hard to do in South Carolina...
Because of the LHN!
by Dawnpatrol on Aug 31, 2011 12:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
One argument I don't like: Aggies doomed to mediocrity in the SEC
I haven’t really said much on this issue, but one argument I’ve seen made repeatedly here on BON and elsewhere is that the Aggies have such a great set-up in the Big 12 and that they are doomed to perpetual mediocrity in the SEC. I see it manifest itself here as a justification for not continuing to play them at the end of the regular season: that we’ll be giving them a chance to redeem themselves after a never-ending string of 4-7 and 5-6 seasons.
I don’t buy for a minute the inevitability of the Aggies being doomed to mediocrity in the SEC.
I think too many people are looking at what the facts are today and assuming the truths of today will remain static for years to come. And it is certainly true that the Aggies’ recent run of mediocrity combined with the current relatively superior position of the SEC means that the Aggies more likely than not face a couple of years, at least, of struggling against a relatively-upgraded slate of conference opponents. (Though, even with the truth of today’s strengths, the differences in the overall strength of the SEC versus the Big 12 are being exaggerated.)
But one of my mantras during realignment discussions has been looking at the long-term and not assuming that relative strengths today will remain the relative strengths of tomorrow. Remember that nothing is static. And just because A&M has been relatively mediocre in recent years doesn’t mean that it will continue to be so, and just because the SEC has had a nice run of success in recent years doesn’t mean it will maintain that place of relative dominance for years to come.
There’s absolutely no reason to believe that a school which will be coming from the largest state in the conference, and which will rank right up with UF for being the largest school in the conference, will automatically always be a 4-8 team. Texas A&M has as much of a chance to succeed in that conference in the long term as practically any other school in the SEC has.
For crying out loud, if the little brother school in Alabama can run the table in SEC conference play and win the national championship, there’s no reason that the little brother school from Texas couldn’t either. And for those who like to insist that A&M can only be good when Texas and/or Oklahoma are down, please note that Auburn won its championship (1) in the season immediately following the season in which its big brother won a title it was widely expected to successfully defend and (2) two seasons after the large traditional power from a bordering state won a title as well.
So I think those who are predicting a never-ending string of awful seasons for the Aggies in the SEC very likely could be proven wrong in not just the long-term but in the short-term as well.
That being said, I think Texas A&M as an institution is making the same fundamental mistake many Texas fans are making. Just as we see the truth of recent years and think it will repeat itself to years of Aggie mediocrity, I think that the Aggies very much are guilty at looking at looking at what might be the strongest football conference today and are giving little thought to whether that might remain the case forever and ever and are consequently making a move which might suit narrowly-focused short-term interests (Screw Texas! Join the reigning champs!) but very possibly meet the longer-term interests of the athletic program or the institution as a whole. And just as relative strengths between individual schools change quickly, so do comparative strengths between conferences, and there’s no reason why a strengthened Pac 12, an underperforming ACC (If you want to talk about surprising mediocrity, look at FSU over the last decade) or an always-dangerous Big 10 could step back up to reclaim, again temporarily, the title of “best conference.”
So of course, given that short-sightedness, combined with the overall petulant behavior displayed by the school’s fans and alumni and by the institution itself, it deserves all the mockery it’s receiving. Just be careful making predictions of never-ending futility which quite likely won’t play out.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Personally I Could Care Less How They Do There
As long as I don’t have to stomach the two Aggie Trolls showing up here pretending to “converse” when they’re only really slipping in their little snide (apparently clever, by their estimation) insults.
Good riddance. I never could stand being in the same conference with those hillbillies.
by iamjackburton on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
HH -- coherent arguement
I agree with you on both counts, which is why I prefaced my comment with “at least five years.” Beyond that, the Aggies could “play up” to the competition level.
If the SEC is NOT going to be the big dog going forward, the NCAA is going to have to boost its academic minimums and its investigative arm. I don’t see any reason the league will continue to be the best, if the schools start playing by the same rules all the rest are playing by. That’s clearly not the case — not with the Newton issue, and the over-signing done by several SEC schools. Those are just a couple of examples.
Auburn + $200k = national title
That is what Aggie is walking into.
oh hail the Purple and White
Yep
and a Former Texas Coach who is still deeply associated with the community and will be delighted to beat down some aggies
Yep
I still think the PAC-16 would be the best option, but it looks like it won’t happen. Having said that: If the SEC expands to snag MU and VT+UVA or OU+OSU, I’m just as happy to be in the SEC. Adding MU, VT, and UVA would raise the academic profile of the conference considerably, while bringing in top notch sports teams. OU + OSU bring the sports teams, but not the same academic profile.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Aug 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be more inclined to agree
if I could ignore the precedent that Arkansas provides.
I realize A&M has better resources than Arkansas, but they also have been baffling in their deficient use of those resources, and I am speaking about the long-term. I once asked Beergut, or possibly Miketag, I forget which, for an honest insight into the underachieving that has plagued College Station for pretty much its entire history, and I never got an answer, which is unfortunate, because I was legitimately curious.
It seems odd that the state of Florida can support three dominant football programs, each boasting multiple national titles in the past two decades, while Texas seemingly supports only one (although I would argue Oklahoma counts as a second). One would think as the second largest institution in Texas, and having the advantage (I use the term loosely) of possibly the most rabid, irrational fanbase, that the Aggies should have had their fair share of success, but they haven’t. Sure, a decent year here and there, but never a preseason favorite to win the National Title, and no sustained runs of being ranked consistently in the top 10. Seriously, how can that be? By all rights and logic, A&M should have acquired a history equal to that of, say, Florida St. And yet they haven’t.
So I suppose I’m siding with history instead of hypothetical value, but in the end you might be right. Perhaps the move will put A&M in a more appropriate context and will boost their identity into one that can win. But I tend to doubt it.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
off topic
Just moved to NY (Ithaca). Do you still live in Brooklyn? I have a friend who lives there and would love to catch a game this fall.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I'm moving back to Austin in about 3 weeks (Yay!!)
I gave New York a good 7 years, and lately I’ve been going back and forth between New York and San Antonio. I decided, however, that it was time to come home.
Ithaca, you say? I hear its “gorges.” Are you working/studying at Cornell?
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah so jealous.
Congrats on getting back to Austin. I just moved here for a Ph. D. in applied math. Ithaca is… not that great.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Go to Seneca Falls and play golf
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Haha when I told my dad what I was doing he asked, “isn’t the applied implied in anything?”. Your point is taken.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha!
My acquaintances who graduated from Cornell seemed to like it. Perhaps it depends on how much snow you can tolerate.
Applied math sounds fantastic; I mean that without any facetiousness.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
people who don't like ithaca end up in gorges... Sampling bias imo
In all seriousness, its an okay place but cripplingly small. And no one drinks shiner or watches cfb. Bon will have to get me through it.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
BON got me through Brooklyn
Sure there are numerous UT grads in New York, and several places to go on gameday, but there just isn’t a palpable community on a routine basis. In general, this region doesn’t care much for college football, so you don’t get the buzz on the street, the water-cooler banter, the talk radio, the newspaper headlines, etc. New Yorkers, Bostonians, New Englanders tend to follow professional sports almost exclusively, so it gets a bit isolating.
This website brings a bit of Austin to anyone who needs it, and for that I am ever so appreciative.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
This is basically what I’ve run into here in Ithaca, but to a much larger degree. People here don’t watch sports. Period. It’s the rare occasion when I’ll run into a casual NFL fan, but beyond that forget it.
I’ll definitely miss football talk in all its glory, and BON will have to (and likely will) be my outlet. Look for my posting rate to go through the roof!
BON has definitely brought a bit of Austin with me to Ithaca, no doubt about it.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You got that
For all its other attributes, NYC has no college sports culture (maybe Big East basketball, but football? forget it), no decent Tex-Mex, no Austin-style live music scene, and it’s damn hard to find a Shiner Bock.
Fun fact
You can find Shiner in Bloomington, Indiana very easily. I just visited a friend who is in grad school at IU, and lo and behold, it was there. Obviously not NY, but, hell I consider all states north of the Mason-Dixon “yankee,” anyway ;-)
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Definitely no Shiner in Ithaca
sips an Ithaca Nut Brown
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 1, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Bloomington... good town
I typically find myself disappointed when I visit storied college towns, because they seldom compete with my memories of Austin. But Bloomington had a pretty good feel to it.
That's exactly what I thought
Minus the rampant presence of “broskis,” it’s a pretty kick ass college town.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
You can get the Shiner family reunion packs in South Bend
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Arkansas...
…I don’t think is a great equivalent, if you’re arguing that Arkansas has been cripped by its move to the SEC. I’d say they’re playing to traditional form.
Arkansas represented the SWC once — once! — from the 1965 season through the 1987 season. Sure, there were some decent-to-good Arkansas teams during that time span, but representing the conference once in 23 years does not make a school any sort of power. Yeah, they represented the SWC in back-to-back years at the end of the 1980s when the conference was already weak and on life support, but again I think that isn’t particularly indicative of a national power. Someone had to win that particular SWC.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
"crippled"
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not exactly sure what "represented the SWC" means...
But did A&M have more conference titles than Arkansas before they left?
"Represented the SWC"...
…meant that they were in the Cotton Bowl as the conference’s representative. Arkansas probably shared conference titles during that time span as well, but I didn’t bother tracking down the number, but it really shouldn’t matter, since, if Arkansas had truly been this big, bad powerful team, they wouldn’t have been sharing anything that often.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Arkansas record - SWC
Year Conference Overall Record Conference Record
1936 SWC 7-3 5-1
1946 SWC 6-3-2 5-1
1954 SWC 8-3 5-1
1959 SWC 9-2 5-1
1960 SWC 8-3 6-1
1961 SWC 8-3 5-1
1964 SWC 11-0 7-0
1965 SWC 10-1 7-0
1968 SWC 10-1 6-1
1975 SWC 10-2 6-1
1979 SWC 10-2 7-1
1988 SWC 10-2 7-0
1989 SWC 10-2 7-1
Total Conference Championships 13
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Six titles in 25 years, but at least three shared
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, Arkansas is admittedly not a good comparison
which is why I abandoned it after the first paragraph. Really I’m focusing on the consistency with which A&M has underachieved having superior resources amid lesser competition. Its simply hard to imagine they will be more successful in a tougher conference (although I make an allowance for escalation).
I suppose what I’m saying is that A&M’s history requires them to prove themselves competitive before I’m willing to assume it; I can’t find it in me to give them the benefit of the doubt.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
And, the top tier recruits are not stupid. They want to attend schools that win and play for MNCs…..so just when is this paradigm shift for A&M suppose to happen?
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
Ha!
the top tier recruits are not stupid
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
BrooklyHorn - Here is the answer
Coaching – aggy has had some bad ones and they ran off the only good one they had.
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Agreed
But the narrative of poor coaching hires better explains the current state of the program than it does their historical insignificance. We often forget that Bear Bryant actually walked the sidelines in College Station.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You make good points
I personally think it had to do with more than one thing – coaching being the primary. Bear hooked it to Bama when he saw the writing on the wall when DKR took over at UT.
The aggy culture is another. Their whole school environment centers around the “beat/hate tu” mentality. When your obsession with one school and infantile “traditions” overwhelm your ability to encompass the big picture, then medocrity and lack of national ambition is sure to follow. Simply, they continuously remain sidetracked.
To give aggy credit, their fans are fanatically loyal to their school but their nat’l brand not so much.
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
I'd probably have to conclude
that it is a mixture as well: little brother syndrome seems to inhibit programs like Michigan St., UCLA, and Georgia Tech from being as successful as their potential would have us believe, but given A&M’s relative strengths in comparison to even those other programs, I’m tempted to chalk up A&M’s dismal century as a meaningless statistical outlier.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
A&M has always been mediocre at football and changing conferences will not change that fact. I think history is more telling than your subjective opinion of what should happen in the future given their size and location in Texas.
A&M has a .577 overall winning percentage, which ranked it 5th in the Big XII (with NU and CU) and 3rd in the Big XII post NU/CU; however, they have been mediocre at best. and failed to take advantage of their opportunities
A&M will now be ranked 7th overall by .002 over Arkansas which is basically a tie for 8th place as the best overall program in the $EC.
I hardly think A&M has increased its chances to suddenly become a dominant player and BCS contender.
Finally, have you ever been to College Station? I hardly think A&M is increasing its draw or likelihood of getting top flight Texas talent to play $EC schools and get beat. I think it is a terrible move on aggie’s part, but it is time for them to move out of the house and learn life’s lessons.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
Agreed
Good luck getting florida and georgia kids from playing in College Station…The only reason they go to Tuscalosa is proximity to home and nick saban. A&M HAS NEITHER. and i picked Bama because city wise is comparable to College station.
Visited Tuscaloosa in July
It’s a LOT nicer than Collie Station! Starkville is more comparable. Even Auburn is nicer, and that ain’t sayin’ much!
Auburn is a beautiful town
I grew up there as a child. The campus and town form a great community.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I suspect most $EC towns are nicer than collieville
Gainesville, Oxford, Auburn, Knoxville, Baton Rouge….I’m not seeing much draw to the middle of not much Texas. At least collieville isn’t that far from Houston but that doesn’t sound like much of a selling point.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
I've been to most SEC locales
with the exception of Starkville, Gainesville and Lexington. I can’t speak for those but the others are really nice college towns. College Station I would not put in the same tier as those. It is now the armpit of the SEC.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
So you're saying...
the aggies need to pay for a qb to compete in the SEC? am I hearing you right?
Well, HH, the Aggies love you now.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Aug 31, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
HH has a point
In this day and age in college football, practically anyone can win. Who predicted Auburn last year?
But it’s important to differentiate: this was a decision driven by football (the straw that stirs the drink in college athletics) but it was not a football decision. If the Aggies wanted to win championships, they’d have stayed in the Big 12. I don’t think even the trolling-est Aggie can make the claim the claim that they have a better shot at a BCS game in the greener pastures of the SEC.
But since the Aggies don’t have a championship tradition in sports that matter, maybe they could care less.
Finally, those who think the Aggies will be unable to compete in the nebulous world of SEC recruiting — let’s call it what it is, paying players — don’t know Aggies and have short memories. Set your Wayback Machines for 1988, folks. Improper benefits, extra benefits, unethical conduct, and lack of institutional control are not foreign concepts in College Station.
I fear, down the line, that we have less to worry about from the Alabamas and Auburns of the world when it comes to recruiting in Texas. What worries me is Aggie recruiters using the tried-and-true SEC method in the Lone Star State.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Aug 31, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
But history is not on the side of the aggies. Look at arkansas, ranked for times since joining the SEC. That is a big fall from the previous 2 decades. Miami? Absolute disaster since leaving the Big East. PSU? Another miserable move. Can they succeed? Maybe, but it will not be easy. Last relevant decade for the Aggies was accompanied with a “lack of institutional control” penalty. Hmmm, maybe Auburn is the right example.
Are there any desirable schools in the PAC, Big 10, ACC, Big East or SEC
that would be poachable for a new and improved Big XII?
See ya later, alligator.
Supposedly
BYU is possible, and there have been rumors about Louisville and Air Force. No BIG school is going to leave. Haven’t heard much about the ACC schools, other than comments saying the Big 12 should try to get UNC/Duke to come as a package. Seems unlikely.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Aug 31, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
NC Schools
Only come into play if SEC carves the hell out of the ACC to get to 16. And even that is a huge stretch.
I don't see what the Big 12 has to offer any school currently in the SEC, Big 10, or Pac 12
I'm not sober.
more money? better recruiting? greater chance of winning?
idk for sure. just stating possibilities.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now there is more money in all the other big conferences
and the only thing the big 12 has in recruiting is texas (which just cuz you join doesn’t mean your going to start getting their top recruits). Better chance of winning because it will be a weaker conference? maybe
Think how this is sorting out
Is a classic market segmentation. The “Big Three” (SEC, PAC, and B1G) will stay full of schools of close relative strength (h/t to Learned Hand). The Big XX will be comprised of two types of schools – those with the brand to have a national network and a bunch of remoras with good self images that don’t mind being along for the ride. I can see UT, BYU, ND, and OU all in the first role, and eight others. So what that the Big XX doesn’t look or act like the other three.
The unknown is how does this look in fifteen years? Do the national single school cable networks work? If they do, and the Big Three stay with the communist model, then STFB for tOSU, USC, etc., looking to bail. No one knows how this plays out. But everyone bitching UT out is living in the past. And one thing I am sure of, given the changes since the NCAA owned the TV rights, is that the only constant IS change.
that's very zen
the only constant IS change
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It depends
My first reaction was “no, we should never play them again.” Howver, if we refuse, then they will either say we are afraid to play them, or that it’s just sour grapes and we are pouting that they left the conference. But I think it depend on what you think of our future vs what sort of teams A&M will field in the near future. While it will be fun watching LSU, Auburn, Fla, Ala, and the like kick them around, what better revenge is there than beating the hell out of them ourselves every year. If you think they can hold their own and play 50-50% against us, then we may be doing them a favor. However, if you think we can beat them 8 or 9 times out of 10, then let’s play the game. We will be just hanging another defeat on them and presumably gaining a recruiting advantage.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Give me a few years, and I may come around.
As for right now, eff ’em.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
Do you really care what aggy thinks?
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
AS far as recruiting goes
does the move cause a significant problem for recruiting by UT? Also, does this affect OU more than Texas as they depend on recruiting from this state? I frankly do not care if Aggies do well or not in SEC, I would just not like to see shady SEC guys creeping into our state and practicing unfair recruiting when (at least to best of my knowledge) the Big 12 abides by recruiting rules fairly well, especially UT.
Well, as I mentioned in another post
I agree with you on the recruiting. It puzzles me why the moderators haven’t expanded more on this.
Although, it is probably true that UT is going to get it’s players, what if Bama or LSU had picked off VY or even Colt?
It is coming to light what makes the SEC such a “great” conference – their recruiting practices are nowhere near as stringent as the Big 12 and at their worst – shady or even corrupt.
At least in this respect, aggy has a history of experience and should get up to speed pretty quick.
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Well, Jackie Sherrill did say they were a cultural fit
And he’s been guilty of violations in both conferences.
All I can picture when I think of the SEC welcoming A&M:
“Okay Sheriff, we’re gonna fuck ya now. But we’re gonna fuck ya slow.”
Will Muschamp on A&M entering the SEC:
https://twitter.com/#!/PBPjasonlieser/status/108922898323996672
If that happens, so be it.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Do aggies still get to post on BON
After they move to the $EC? I mean, where will they lodge their completes about cheating, oversigning recruits, and unfair competition?
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
Would a Texas kid rather
play in Tuscaloosa, Fayetteville, Starkville, and Oxford, or Austin, LA, San Fran-area, and Oregon? Wouldn’t tagging along with UT to move to the PAC make more sense for Aggy from a recruiting standpoint? Their argument that moving to the SEC will help them recruit may depend on the continued dominance of the SEC. As said above, the only constant is change, and the SEC has had some great years, but will they continue to dominate? No winning streak lasts forever.
See ya later, alligator.
Well, I would
but you’re also talking about kids who willfully choose to go to A&M, and I’ll exhibit no pretension that I have any discerning grasp of their sense of value.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Water Cooler Talk
I just overheard a paralegal and legal secretary joking about having to tell the kids and grandkids that they can’t go to A&M. They were teasing/kidding, but there is actually some concern behind the joking.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
They finally realized they could never keep up with the Joneses
They are moving to be the punching bag of LSU and BAMA. Its sad to see the big12 in decay but i rather expand west and try to draw in Arizona and Astate than smu and Arkansas. Money wise for the conference makes more sense the market for smu is useless having Texas and OU dominate that area, and well Arkansas……do people have digital TVs there?
Uh-oh - check this out about Missou
http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=8809292
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
LOL MISSOU TO THE SEC AS WELL
For what purpose lol to be 1- and whatever in conference play every year lol
"The B12 is simply too unstable to risk the University's future on."
So that’s where we are now… A school doesn’t have a “future” unless it’s aligned with the right sports conference. What a load of shit…
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
I thought they were leading the Aggie replacement commity
If that is So then why the hell would they bolt if they are spearheading expansion/replacement.
EVERYONE TO THE SEC.
One big superconference, 129 FBS teams.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome. Sauce.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
How would you determine the conference champion?
Some silly playoff or something?
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
NOOOOOO
Surely you jest. That would NEVER work!
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
So, did the date of June 30th, 2010 get picked
by factoring the number of car washes it would take to raise the funds for the Big 12 exit fee?
by future_longhorn_dad on Aug 31, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
If cheerleaders are doing the carwashing
It’ll take a lot longer than that.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Aug 31, 2011 2:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Win.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Easy
Try to get BYU to join the Big 12, and get ND to play all those games scheduled with us on Thnaksgiving. The game could alternate between NBC and the LHN, and ND can stay indy, while we get strength of schedule points. ND> NU, CU and BYU>aTm
…win-win for UT/ND/BYU
Rephrase the poll
Should Texas continue to play football A&M in football (AT Kyle Field)?
No more home and aways. Just home and home.
Why not play them?
The rivalry is real, why not keep it alive?
Even if we can’t fit it schedule-wise every year, might as well make it a neutral site game every other year or something like that.
Maybe alternating between games with A&M and Arkansas every year? Could be fun.
I hear a lot of people making really petty arguments about why we should play them any more and it just sounds like a bunch of kids making noise.
It comes down to recruiting for me
Recruiting seems to be the reason most Aggies and outsiders think the move is a good one. The reasoning is that a Texas kid will want to play in the most prestigious conference and against the marquee names in the SEC over what will be left in the Big 12 if they were to select Texas.
So why give them another marquee opponent for them to sell to recruits? It’s not like playing them boosts our national exposure and recruiting pitch.
by Horncasting on Aug 31, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do see that a little bit, but at the same time I think it's really not that big of a deal.
First, we have the recruiting super-weapon that is the LHN.
Second, we already lose some recruits to the SEC and when A&M moves over that may increase… Whether or not we actually play A&M each year, IMO, will have little affect on that.
Third, whether we’re playing them or not, I think UT and A&M/SEC will appeal to different kinds of recruits just like it does now. Different students go to UT than head east. It’s a different culture that Aggie is trying to capitalize on, and more power to them.
Recruiting may change, but I would think that a Texas-A&M game will have little bearing on that, unless we’re worried they’re suddenly going to whip us year in and year out.
If SEC gets recruits
Then why the hell is Jimbo kicking everyone’s ass in Florida?
What confuses me is the logic of the recruiting boost
So aggy thinks that being aggy isn’t enough, and that being aggy in the SEC is what would make it worth it to pay out a bunch of cash, and not even break even on the move for up to a decade?
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Sep 2, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Recruiting
Who really wants to live in College Station? I think for aTm to out recruit us, they will have to go back to their cheating ways…
and aggy says "You say that like it's a bad thing"
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Yeah exactly..
It hasn’t really stopped any SEC team..they should call Auburn and Bama to discuss.
by nyclonghorngal on Aug 31, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Consider this
Is the SEC bringing aggy up or is aggy dragging the SEC down? Just sayin.
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
RRR
Since there is chatter picking up both on C&CM and Oklahoma sports media about the possibilities of OU/OSU to the Pac or elsewhere, I have the following question.
Doe Texas fans desire to continue the RRR if OU ditches the Big xii-ii-i, causing it’s demise, and Texas and OU end up in different conferences ?
I’m predicting “OU would never split” as the only answer I hear. So longhorns, imagine it’s the most ridiculous hypothetical question imaginable and answer it anyways.
I would still want to play OU, even if they were in a different conference.
It makes sense to have a huge non-conference game like that early in the year.
Further hypothetical..
If say.. OU, OSU, Tech, and Mizzou go to the Pac16 w/o Texas (due to them choosing to maintain LHN in present form)… and Texas is left to rebuild the Big-XII/SWC or go Indy…… Would that affect your feelings ?
Absolutely want to continue playing OU...
after all, they’re our rivals…
It was a non-conference game for a heckuva long time.
And while OU will always suck, to date they haven’t been whiny li’l bitches.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
I guess what I'm getting at is..
If OU “runs away”, “takes their ball and goes home” and destroys the Big Xii in the process… would your sentiments mirror your attitude towards the Aggies?
I guess my question has been answered,
But I wouldn't consider it running away.
I would consider it doing they best to stay in a conference, but then feeling there was no way to make it work after Nebraska, CU, and A&M all left.
Big XII survives if OU and Texas want it to and stay together.
If OU bolts.. it’s because they don’t trust Texas, because they want to bolt. Not because they need to bolt to survive.
How would that not be running away and screwing texas in the process
Now we're just making up more and more random hypothetics.
What if OU secretly hates Texas and fought against the Big XII from the very beginning, only relenting because they love A&M so much that they had to take Texas too? What if they were secretly waiting until the last possible moment to leave the Big XII so that Texas would have to form a conference with Monterey University and ITT Tech?
I think OU would be leaving because they don’t think the conference will survive long term without A&M.
by Texas Wahoo on Aug 31, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OU hasn't been acting like a whiny bitch about us for decades, so I'd be ok coninuing the series in that hypothetical
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Aug 31, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gotta continue that series ...
… but it would be much more enjoyable if out of conference. Always loved it more that way.
I vote to continuing playing OU
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
OU Vs TEXAS
is one of the best traditional rivalry games of all time and should be continued no matter what happens (coming from a non fan of either teams).
It took all of us working together to fail
H ouston is an ou troll
He is just baiting you, boys.
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Just asking question amigo.
Ignore me if you feel I’m just a troll. I’m trying to be civil as can be.
Considering how much vitrol has been directed towards the aggies leaving.. I was only curious if the same would be directed at OU if circumstances led to a similar situation.
The difference is that circumstances have not let to a similar situation.
And at this point, I don’t think a similar situation is even possible.
I disagree, which is why i brought it up.
Like I said at the beginning, there is OU to the PAC chatter picking up steam.
Obviously, they’d prefer to go to the PAC with Texas.. but that will be contingent on Texas willing to give up the LHN in part or in whole.
So, while still remote, there is the possibility of OU going to the PAC without Texas, and blowing up the Big Xii at the same time.
I would think that would be a similar situation that would earn longhorn hatred.
it sounded to me like OU wanted everyone to stick together
not my scene, just curious
It took all of us working together to fail
It might not be up to OU.
IF PAC12 extends an invite to OU/ OSU/ and Tech… and a conditional invite to Texas if they give up the LHN…. Do you think OU is going to say no Thank you, even if Texas does ?
Cuz OU isn't going to pass over a 2nd golden opportunity for itself, OSU, and Tech.
It would not be the cause of dooming OSU when they could be saved two yrs in a row. Texas and their ability or inability to part with the LHN would be the decision that keeps the happy 4some together.
with former SWC teams..
since as I said before.. OU /OSU/ and Tech, won’t be turning down another PAC offer.
that is a great little dialogue...
with serious pwnage by Wahoo…
Seems like Texas has the final say...
If the scenario is one where OU/OSU/Tech have accepted invites from the Pac-12, then Texas has the option to: (1) join the Pac-16 and share the LHN with Tech and play Oklahoma every year, (2) decline the invite and do whatever but continue to play Oklahoma every year as a non-conference game, or (3) decline the invite and refuse to play Oklahoma every year even though they would be willing to keep it going. So, whether or not the rivalry continues is Texas’ call.
I’d think the sentiment would be different and both sides would still want to keep the rivalry going. A&M is basically refusing to play in a conference with Texas, but wanting Texas to keep playing it. Oklahoma would be trying to play in a conference with Texas, but if Texas chooses to keep the LHN instead, then Oklahoma would be willing to play it as a non-conference game.
Oklahoma has done just about everything to stick together, but it may be that both sides need to join different conferences for their own reasons. That’s an amicable break up. A&M is actively trying to ditch you, but wants to still be friends when it suits them.
The LHN is not going anywhere
I don’t understand the big deal. If aggie wants their own network that badly why don’t they start their own? Imagine the possibilities. Or is it just that they don’t want Texas to have their own?
Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
OU is starting their own network
I think they are happy as long as the LHN doesn’t give an unfair advantage for recruiting.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
OU has been all-in to this point.
If they end up leaving now, it will be because they don’t think the conference is tenable without A&M.
A&M has been complaining about the conference since last year and demanding 20 million dollar promises, etc.
You ain't MY amigo, sport
All anyone has to do is check your profile and your comments and see your joy in bashing UT – get lost!
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
I'm not your sport, amigo.
How am I bashing now ?
Sure..Sparring among longhorns and aggies on our boards is to be expected…
But I’m just trying to get a sense of where fans stand here if the Big xii does go kaput.
Is this you.....Sport?
Will #Sooners, #OKState, #Mizzou & #RedRaiders leave for #Pac12 and hose #Horns? Don’t be surprised says LA media source. Hope he’s right.
by Redhawk on Aug 30, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
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haha.. That 2nd tweeet. I’d cry, that would be so beautiful.
Thanks… I’ll have to start following swaim.
by H ouston on Aug 30, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
Yup. Good work, Sherlock.
And it was not said on your texas board or with longhorns in the discussion.
I’m sure you’re just polite as pie and never utter a bad word about anyone anywhere on sports forums, right ?
Look - you're busted, troll
I don’t hide behind my obvious love of the horns by asking innocuous questions an an opposing teams blog – just to bait them into some admission of wrongdoing in order to salve my subliminal resentment.
Why don’t you come out of the closet and admit you are a sneaking land thief and you hope UT burns in hell – I would respect you more.
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
What the hell are you trying to say?
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
dont have time to read over 200 comments already
but do you think the SEC gives them an open date that weekend because they would have to give another school an open date to match (assuming they get at 14th team)? If the SEC says you have to play the game early in the year, I think it becomes a mute point.
We could play them the same week
Florida plays Florida St. and Georgia plays Georgia Tech.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
what other team would play OOC that week
the UF/Georgia game should be that week, but is just moved to an eariler slot. Any team paired with it would get stuck played Little sisters of the poor that late in the season. Who would be enticed to to that. Playing Florida Atlantic late in the year sucked for us recently and would be the same situation.
by RQ on Aug 31, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That's another argument for replacing the game with OU.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I do like my zeroU with cold beer and corn dogs.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
So if Florida St. joins the SEC
is it your contention that Georgia will have to stop plying Georgia Tech? Or in that case would Texas-Texas A&M fill in as the second non-conference game that week?
Or they could move LSU-Tulane or Tennessee-Memphis, or whatever it takes. I’m skeptical that if these teams really wanted to play each other they would be unable to make it happen.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
LSU does not play Tulane
And Tenn does not play memphis.
That is a differenct story if one of those two (GTech or FSt) are the 14th team, then it works perfect because two teams are playing OOC on Thanksgiving weekend. You just cant have only one team in a conference play an OOC game.
My other point is, would the SEC be that accomidating since the Ags need the SEC more than the SEC need them?
by RQ on Aug 31, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgot about South Carolina - Clemson
which is usually played the same week as well.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
teams from a given conference are not required to play their non-conference games, or conversely their conference games, on the same day. This is why you get odd teams often beginning the season with a conference match-up while some don’t begin conference play until late September.
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If Mizzou leaves (who knows, getting way ahead)
Then Texas, OU, OSU, and Tech should come west to the Pac 12. The PAC network breaks up the regional channels pretty much for geographical pairs so two teams a channel. Texas and Tech share a channel the LongTech Channel. The PAC 12 supposedly negotiated contingencies for future expansion and it seems like the combination of the agreement they signed and the amount of money that the PAC 12 network would generate (which the conference fully owns unlike the B1G network) would increase quite a bit. I don’t know for sure, but it may be more than the longhorn network on its own.
just some thoughts. probably wont happen.
It took all of us working together to fail
And I'm saying I want no part of it.
I can currently get the Longhorn Network, if it were a local version of the Pac 16 Network, I would get the national version (since I’m in Virginia) and would only get 1/16th Texas programming.
If things fall apart then
Texas should probably just go Indy. They can easily do it. Not sure it will though
No worries, I understand the concern about not getting games. Can be frustrating if you live outside of the region
It took all of us working together to fail
Beebe is in a lose/lose situation
Glad I don’t have his job.
"I have a theory that the defense determines whether you win or lose. Offense determines by how many." Manny Diaz
Well he das done a terrible job
to allow himself into the situtation so he will have to pay the consequences
by RQ on Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a huge fan of Beebe, but I don't think any of this is his fault.
He was in an impossible situation.
Dan Beebe = Michael Scott
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Beebe seems to have been asleep at the wheel
With the caveat that none of us have been privy to even 1/10th of what has gone on behind closed doors or in private telephone conversations, Beebe seems to have (1) been blind-sided by all this both last year and this, and (2) has not been pro-active. He has allowed the Big 10, the PAC 10, and now the SEC to raid what a few years ago was one of the stronger conferences. Meanwhile, I have seen no evidence that he has sought out any replacements for Nebraska and Colorado. Could he have pre-empted the moves by Utah and TCU and brought them into the Big 12? While some on BON had objections to both, the Big 12 would look alot better now with them in the conference, and while BYU may not be an ideal addition, it would at least look like we still had a heartbeat and were not being passively picked off. It may not be Beebe’s fault, but it is hard to see how anyone could have done worse.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
I don't think he was blindsided.
I just think there was nothing he could do. The Big Ten offered Nebraska something the Big XII never could – the CIC. Colorado has been dying to go to the Pac 10 for years.
He could have tried to replace Nebraska with TCU, but no one in the conference wanted that. He could have told UT/OU/A&M to screw themselves, I’m going to add TCU anyway – but I don’t think that would have solved anything except making it more likely the conference would break up.
Personally – I think it’s kind of a miracle he kept the conference going at all (with A&M in it especially).
re: CU
Saying they went to the PAC10 because they’ve always wanted to is a little misleading. Sure, they have wanted to go, and in reality, I think they’re a better fit there anyway. But the biggest reason (as told during Realignment I) was that they feared Baylor getting a spot and their options drying up. At the time CU accepted their invite Texas was pretty much considered a lock to move to the PAC 10 and speculation was that we wouldn’t (couldn’t) go without Baylor. Theirs was more of a preemptive move.*
*All of this is based on memory, which is admittedly not the best.
Disagree.
CU was going to the Pac 10 no matter what else happened. Baylor was never going to the Pac 10, no matter what the Texas legislature might have wanted.
Hypocritical
IMO
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Seems they'd get sued for discrimination based on religious preference.
They must be exempted from it somehow.
From what I recall
Extending an invitation to Colorado was meant to get the ball rolling and try and get convince the other schools the Big 12 was falling apart.
The timing felt like it was directed at the legislature
to nip the campaign to force Baylor on the Pac-10 in the bud, but Colorado was a good add for the Pac-10 by itself. It’s a good cultural and academic fit, and if you’re expanding eastward it’s difficult to come up with a set of 16 teams in which Colorado was not a good fit. Even now it’s a good toe-hold to expand to 16 from because it makes sense with Arizona and with the Oklahoma schools and even Kansas if it comes to that.
This was my understanding as well
Although CU has always leaned towards the Pac 10 and it just worked out for them.
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
LHN vs PAC
Let’s assume Scott makes a play for some of the Big Xii remnants
( OU/ OSU/ TECH/ _) and sticks to his guns concerning his previous LHN comments…
a) Lose LHN, lose $300mm, join PAC as equal member, share a regional PAC16 station with Tech.
b) Keep LHN, keep $300mm, forever kiss Pac goodbye, Go Indy, Mizzou gets your Pac slot.
What’s your preference as a fan ?
But, they are far and away the most likely options.
It’s conceivable that the Pac-16 would take Texas with the LHN, but it’s probably more likely that the B1G takes Oklahoma. It could happen, but you certainly couldn’t dictate it.
My question is becoming more relevant by the day.
A) LHN
or
B) PAC16
Those are two options.
Yet not the only two options. If those were the only two options facing Texas, your inquiry would be relevant.
It’s like asking Notre Dame if they would rather have their NBC contract or go to the Pac 12. Those aren’t the only two options facing ND so why bother with the question?
He's just asking which is preferable.
No conference worth joining is going to accept Texas with the LHN or Notre Dame with NBC. They can either join a conference and forego the TV deal or they can keep it and stay independent.
You could join some BS conference of Rice, Baylor, Houston, North Texas, and UTEP or Conference USA, or some made up conference of just Notre Dame and Texas and the service academies. But, those are just variations on independence. They aren’t actual conferences.
So, which is preferable. Membership in a power conference without the LHN, or Independence with the LHN. Cause, really guys, if Oklahoma moves, those are Texas’ only options.
That's not a question - that's a wish!
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
My guess is the Pac would probably be willing to negotiate regarding the LHN say sign an agreement to show nothing involving HS events agree to give certain content to the Pac network and agree to only show non conference games on it. If Texas were to do this my guess is the Pac would probably let Texas in
formerly "Horns102591"
by horns1025 on Sep 2, 2011 3:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
option v option
would your rather:
a.) chop off your left hand
b.) chop off your right hand
there is other options. stupid question.
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
Why should OU complain?
They lose to Texas and still get to go the national championship game…
Could we keep the Longhorn network if we went to the SEC?
See ya later, alligator.
maybe not our choice
I am not sold on the idea that aggie will want to continue playing the Horns after this move. They may not want that type of a game near the end of the season after already dealing with the LSU’s and Alabama’s of the SEC. They may not have the freedom to schedule that Thanksgiving time slot.
It is not just about UT wanting to continue this tradition, or aggie wanting it. Real world “stuff” can well interfere.
I wrote the other day that this was a divorce. after a divorce lots of folks say “let stay friends”, but what happens is there is a new girl friend or a new wife, with her family and her in-laws, and thats where the Ex spends the holidays. We will have “real world” issues and so will aggie. New families , new friends and new rivalries. Aggie is being grown up and realizing that things change. We need to realize that as well and accept that they are gone and time for us to reach out to our own new family and friends.
It may be a moot point
75% of voters don’t want them in our stadium anymore
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
75% of the voters don't want GG starting either
but look how that turned out.
Okay, now, simmer down everybody. Just kidding.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They may get their wish
I’m pulling for GG to succeed rather than suck but McCoy looked pretty good in the spring game, Glilbert might not have a lot of room for error.
During the Thanksgiving game last year they took the prize for juvenile and obnoxious. A group of them literally drove some of the older folks in their 60’s and 70’s out of our section. Really not cool at all. But yeah I think I think they’re hitting the panic button.
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
wrap up that all-too-important Chinese television market
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
This will be great for the local, college experience!
oh hail the Purple and White
I suppose Houston already has a foothold in China with Yoa Ming
so how hard could it be to sell them on Austin?
by BrooklynHorn on Aug 31, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I've heard this too
If Larry Scott takes a game away from Husky Stadium I will never forgive him.
"F" Aggie = Non Thinking Gut Reaction
This is not a good day for Texas. The conference that was crafted by Texas, for Texas is a dying conference that looks on a path to merge with Conf USA. At the very least, we will be headed away from the ideal situation we wanted in some form. Meanwhile, Aggie is going to the number 1 football conference in the USA and it is growing instead of dying. There recruiting will improve, as being part of the SEC has proven to be a pitch that works. Unfortunately for Aggie, this may not be their best day in the long run either. The SEC are really slimy folk. Their motto is “if you aint cheatin – you aint trying hard enough” and they are not kidding. LSU is dirty, Auburn is dirty. The rest are suspect. Crawling through the mud with these folks and keeping clean is challenging for Aggie.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Question on going Independent
What are people’s thoughts on the idea that having a conference affiliation is a good thing? It seems that it helps in the “keeping up with the Joneses” mantra, even if you consider yourself, “The Joneses.” In a conference, you have a group of teams to compare yourself to every year, that tend to be more localized as opposed to going independent, where you now play teams spread across the country, and you might only play those teams a couple of times a decade. With a conference you have that comfortable blanket of playing the same opponents every year.
Good Conference Affiliation > Independent > Lousy Conference
I would rather go independent than in a POS Big XII. Everyone talks about the LHN as an advantage. The real advantage is we have the brand that can support the LHN. That same brand gives us the potential to be a solid independent.
I just worry about the impact it would have on the quality of the schedule and the overall quality of the product. ND has to play the bulk of their significant games early, then when confernce play kicks in you get a steady diet of the service Academies and Syracuse. Can we keep the Cotton Bowl date as an independent? Prolly. Will it maintain the same intensity? In the short run for sure. But who do you play in week 6, 7, 8 that makes me shell out $1,500 + for season tickets?
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Baylor, Iowa St., Kansas, Missouri?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is...
Do you feel those teams still want to be Texas’ whipping boy, even after they go independent? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that Texas would follow Notre Dame’s model and schedule teams for a couple of years and then move on to others, with a few exceptions. Then you’re back to square one, not having conference opponents, year after year, which I think is a hindrance to Notre Dame because they always will have a bulls eye on their back, because they only play a team for a home and home series, and then move on.
That's not how it works for ND
Each year there are only about 3-4 “open” spots in their schedule — Texas will be taking one of those spots for our upcoming home-and-home.
Notre Dame will always play USC, Michigan, Michigan State, one of the in-state schools (usually Purdue), Navy, and Boston College. Stanford and Pitt are both booked through 2016 and are long-standing rivalries that aren’t going away, either, though they may take a couple years off here and there.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Aug 31, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
ND will not always play BD
Although it seems like an intuitive rivalry – the only two Catholic schools to play Div IA football – the series is young. They’ve only played each other 20 times, and the series was almost dropped a few years ago (2005 I think). There isn’t a whole lot of history there. They aren’t even playing each other in 2013 or 2014 or 2017, in fact.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Who is BD?
Also are you aware of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_College_(Dhaka)
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Aug 31, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
*BC
Am I aware that there are other institutions of learning called Notre Dame? Yes.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
My point was that we are already scheduling late in the season
so-so teams that do not generate a lot of fan interest and certainly not on a national scale. Not a comment on whether they would want to play us. I suppose it could get a little worse.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I agree on not staying in a POS Big12ish. And you hit the nail on the head, in regards to the schedule. No one’s going to want to play Texas in the middle of their conference schedule, so you’re left with the service academy’s. Texas isn’t going to get Georgia to play them, on their off week, during conference play.
Using Notre Dame as an example
Independence is hardest for non-revenue sports. That was a driving force behind ND’s decision to join the Big East for everything but football. In the near term, it’s a logistical and scheduling nightmare to find opponents to play you in, say, volleyball and rowing when you’re not in a conference. That’s made more difficult by the sheer size of the state of Texas. Indiana’s nickname is The Crossroads of America, which is cheesy, but the point is there are Division 1 schools in every direction from South Bend, and you can play any of them, often with just a bus trip. That is not the case in Austin. Unless UTSA excites you, you can’t go south. Most road games are a plane trip away. That’s not cheap.
ND also has a tradition of independence, long-time football rivalries to fall back on, and their own television network. We don’t have the first, are losing more of the second every year, and the third? Our network looks great on paper but my TV doesn’t get it and neither does yours.
If we were Aggies we’d go independent today. But we like to think we’re smarter than that. I believe the university views independence, wisely, as a last resort. And if we did say, “See ya, Big 12” and did go independent, do you really think our friends in Norman — who’ve been quite patient and understanding throughout this process, all things considered — are going to want to still play us in Dallas?
To find the answer to that question, look at the poll at the top of this post.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Aug 31, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said
If we were Aggies we’d go independent today. But we like to think we’re smarter than that.
I don’t really think they’ve thought this whole thing through. They’re reacting entirely on emotion, specifically jealousy. It’s kind of funny to see it publicized all over the nation.
College football is a sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture. --E. Hubbard
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Aug 31, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
iamthe12thman.com has 30 comments on its post about this announcement.
Are we obsessing?
See ya later, alligator.
No
We actually have readership. Keep in mind these threads often hit the 1000 mark during football season. I think a total of about 12 people actually read that blog, and I still maintain that a lot of the accounts were made up by Beergut to make it seem like people actually go there.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Why do you think they have no interest in the medium? Seriously?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I really have no idea
I actually have found myself feeling sorry for Beergut from time to time. Even though I rarely ever agree with anything he says, he puts a lot of work into that site, and it seems that he’s really lucky to have a thread that hits the 100 mark on comments.
My only theory is that the aggroid cult is so affixed to TexAgs (shudders) that they don’t even bother to check 12th man?
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Is TexAgs a pay site?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Aug 31, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Part of it is, I think.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
People PAY to get dumbed down and irritated?
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
It's TexAgs
The readership is certainly not getting “dumbed down”. They’re already there.
Several of my youtube vids have ended up on TexAgs resulting in a tide of pissy trolls. Even if I say nothing bad about A&M. The TexAg community is truly the scum of the earth
formerly "Horns102591"
by horns1025 on Sep 2, 2011 3:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This post alone drew 3500 unique page views today
Pretty sure that’s a month’s worth of readership over there.
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
very disturbing
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
Truffle, baby, have you been taking your meds this week?
Dude, that is crazy! I belongs in the Louvre. I am making this my wallpaper for the 2011 season. I don’t know what’s making me laugh so uncontrollably – the smile, the hairy paunch, or the 4-toes-per-foot-but-5-fingers-per-hand.
LOL - Gawd Almighty!
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
A&M
I hope we don’t schedule them in any sport even if it is rowing. They can go ahead and chant S-E-C all they want, but they won’t be doing it in DKR, the drum, ufcdf field. They will have the nation appeal of Miss St whenever they cannot be associated with UT in any sport.
The good news for the Aggies
is that they can continue to post on the internet about “tu,” refuse to capitalize a proper state name beginning with T, and ban local businesses from having orange buildings unless they throw in some maroon. F those tu t-sips at tennessee!!!!!1111
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I've always given them a pass on that. I was never certain if it was a slight or simply
a result of being differently abled.
The two aren't mutually exclusive
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
When they play the University of Alabama ...
… aggy milkmen are gonna make up a bunch of cheers about “Kick the hell outta a.u.!”, then ‘Bama fans are gonna look at them like, "Don’t those new idiot hillbillies know they’re playin’ Alabama, not Auburn?!" They’ll also have that same sideways disturbed look – the same often seen from UT fans – as if retard aggy were trying to milk a cat.
by robthecob on Sep 1, 2011 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL - Gawd Almighty redux!
"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn
Ha! That was pretty good.
I was sauced up on Mountain Dew last night.
I say we play them
We need some cupcakes on our schedule.
A perennial 4 win team scares no one.
"Slammed that hoe on the counter like I just got 35 on the domino table!!"
Sherrod Harris
Variation on Pac-16
What if Oklahoma and OSU bolt for the Pac-12 and Texas has the option to join the new Pac-16 if it shares its network with Rice? I know Rice isn’t dying to join a major athletic conference, but I’m mostly curious about how you feel about sharing the network with a school that will never be an athletic rival and would be a great academic peer. UT would still have all of the prime time slots on the network, but Rice would have to get an equitable amount of play. Imagine Texas having the Saturday night game, but the Rice-Utah game is on at 11:00 or possibly on Thursday night. Are you really going to be watching whatever LHN is going to have on if there’s an actual football game being played elsewhere? Is it really a sacrifice to give up repeat showings of Women’s golf highlights for Rice games?
Sharing with Tech strikes me as repulsive because that’s all give and no take for UT (except for the stability of a conference, which has some limited value even though UT dosen’t need it with LHN). Sharing with Rice though requires giving up less and UT could conceivably gain from the academic association.
My sense is that people have already concluded that the LHN is sacred even though it’s unproven, and anything that diminishes it in any way is an automatic deal killer. But sharing with Rice seems more palatable than with Tech, and its possible that sharing with Rice in the Pac-16 would be economically comparable to independence on the LHN.
But why would the Pac-16 take Rice over TTU?
I admittedly don’t know much about Rice, but I’m pretty sure baseball is their only decent sport. That just isn’t going to cut it in a BCS conference.
You also seem to be advocating splitting the channel but not the revenue, whichalso wouldn’t fly in the Pac-16. If it were allowed for Texas, then UW, UO, and USC would all demand that they get more of the money generated by their regional networks as well, which would never get enough votes to pass. If Texas were to join a Pac-16 it would need to share its network, there’s no way its partner school would be able to support a network by itself.
Well, in that scenario, Rice delivers Texas and Tech doesn't.
Plus, if the Pac-10 enhances academic collaboration to something akin to the B1G, then Rice is a great addition. Even if you don’t enhance collaboration, adding Texas and Rice does a lot to help the Pac-10’s overall academic profile match the B1G.
Rice is not competitive in athletics now, but part of that is because Rice isn’t in a major conference and hasn’t been for the last 16 years. Stanford’s undergraduate population is only about twice that of Rice, and if Rice had half the success that Stanford has, they’d be fine. And that’s actually part of why Rice is a better option than Tech, is they really wouldn’t ever rival Texas athletically and would seemingly be fine with sharing the network without demanding that they get the same number of prime time games and what have you (which Tech certainly would).
I’m actually imagining equal revenue sharing but unequal broadcast time, and really the number of hours could actually be equal, but Texas would have most of the prime time slots with Rice taking more of the off-peak hours. Texas can get a lot of money as an independent with the LHN, but what they’d give up by splitting local revenues with Rice they could make up in their share of the much larger pie that the Pac-16’s national channel would bring in over the LHN. You could even offer the Texas/Rice channel nationwide in addition to the larger Pac-16 channel and it’s likely to have the same appeal as the LHN. Don’t know how the other Pac-16 teams would feel about that, but it wouldn’t bother me if all of the regional channels could be offered nationwide, and it turned out that only some of them had sufficient demand to be profitable.
I guess the other caveat is I’d imagine the name of the network would change from LHN to something like the Lonestar Network. Something heavily Texas, but less directly UT.
I knew it! Hey, everybody, Rice fan, Rice fan, Rice fan! You've been outted.
(I’m still bitter about the Owls ripping the SWC title from the ’Horns in a monsoon in Houston in ’94.)
Aggies are leaving...
The Aggies moving out of the Big 12 are like your 39 year old 300 pound son moving out of the basement and finding his own place….long overdue and won’t be missed! OU losing the Aggies on our schedule won’t hurt at all…they’ve never been a real rival. But it’ll definitely make the season less fun for Longhorn fans and Aggie fans I’d think.
As for Longhorn fans here gnashing their teeth…well, UT caused the entire situation with it’s unbelievable greed. The good thing is with TAMU gone, OU will have a metric shit ton of pull in the conference offices. Sittler at the Tulsa World was speculating on the issue a couple days ago, and made for an interesting read.
Isn't starting LHN like saying, "We'll put a boot in your ass cuz it's the American Way?"
I would think a Sooner name Toby would know the answer to that?
@longhorn54b
by 54b on Sep 1, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow , took a Longhorn fan a lot of nerve to say this...
“The Aggies join Nebraska in the crybaby, I’m-taking-my-ball-and-going-home hall of fame”. Yup, it’s the Aggies fault that the Horns administration are greedy bastards that believe the rules don’t apply to them.
UT not only stole the football, they hid it so the Aggies couldn’t play if they wanted! Nebraska is in a much better position now….more money and a weak conference that is an automatic qualifier!
If Texas did in fact steal A&M's football.
They did it after asking A&M if they wanted to share the football. Unfortunately, A&M thought the football was worthless.
You better put some tenderizer on those words...
That way they will go down easier when you have to eat them after after OU starts the Oklahoma Sports Network.
somebody will come crawling back to this relationship
but Im not sure who, SEC sounds good for them, but I bet they are never better than .500 more than once or twice the next decade. Independence sounds good until nobody will schedule you and all you get is BYU and the military academies. Be careful what you wish for.
from an outsider, + 10 on the indepence thing
because I assure you, the sentiment around KSU land is, if this all falls apart, we will not schedule you (even if we are 5-2 in B/12 play). We will not go back to the days of being cannon fodder for the big boys, just for a payday. We wil play Colo.State, Wyoming, Tulsa, and accept that that is our place in the world. If there is to be no semblance of an even playing field upon which we can play, we will play on a different field. (and I’m not talking about “unequal revenue distribution”). It is the partnership with ESPN that is the problem. I curse the Deathstar (ESPN).
oh hail the Purple and White
"independence" (early morning spell FAIL)
oh hail the Purple and White
Money talks, BS walks...
Yea, you’re right – no one will schedule an independent UT. All the powerhouse OOC teams now scheduled – ND, USC, etc. – are just an illusion.
The $$$$$ potential of a sold-out 101K plus stadium, with some of the highest average tickets in the NCAA, plus a cable network that shares NOTHING with a conference, will always mean there will be plenty of opponents for UT. And if the attraction is right, I can see selling the national rights to NBC, to run in a Saturday slot not occupied by ND. The rest of the home games on LHN – all of them.
Just like it has been since the NCAA lost the right to control TV (thank you, Land Thieves!), it is all about the money. All the nostalgic wishing for conferences as we knew them can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
The problem with Texas going indi now is...
Most the teams will be playing 9 conference games and only have a few non conference. Why schedule a tough game when you have a good conference you are competing against all year. Its basically what hte SEC does. They rarely schedule strong OOC games.
And you can’t really compare them to ND. They have had those relationship and games for a long long time already. Texas would have to start up a whole knew list of opponents.
Yea, you're right...
SEC teams rarely play strong OOC
2011
Georgia v. Boise State
LSU v. Oregon
Arkansas v. aTm
Mississippi v. BYU
Alabama v. Penn State
Kentucky v. Louisville
Florida v. Florida State
South Carolina v. Clemson
Interesting factoid
Heard today that BB was the AD at NU when the B12 was formed, and the famous 11-1 vote on partial qualifiers stunned them. Of course, there was only one villain then, just like there is only one villain now.
So he has had a delusional case of the red ass towards UT for LOOOOOOONNNNG time.
A drunk lost his keys in a bar.
He was spotted by his buddies looking for them under a street lamp. They asked why he was looking for his keys under the street lamp when he had lost them in the bar. He replied, “The light is better here.” Ags: You will not be able to find in the SEC, no matter how bright the lights, that which you lost in Texas.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 1, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't you mean "a drunk Aggie?"
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
PAC 16
I believe the rumors swirling out of Norman.
I think the Big 12 will die and that OU, OSU, TT, and UT will join the PAC. Assuming a Wrangler Division of these four, Utah, CO, and the two AZ schools, and a Coastal Division claiming the old PCC, the scheduling and potential rivalries in all sports are attractive.
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