Texas vs BYU: Longhorns Rally to Gutty 17-16 Win over Cougars
Two years ago, tonight's 17-16 win over BYU would have been utterly agonizing to watch -- frustrating, disheartening, a damning display for our chances to have a special season. I hope that was not your experience tonight. I hope that tonight you were able just to ride the roller coaster and feel ecstatic that we pulled out a win. I hope you were proud as hell of our defense for their brilliant performance, and proud as hell that our offense pulled together in the second half just enough to win it.
To have enjoyed tonight's victory like that, you have to accept who we are now and where we're building towards a year from now, but if you can -- if you did -- then tonight you got to be thrilled by one of the guttiest wins in the Mack Brown era. There were mistakes and problems and weaknesses on display, but the team survived a brutal start, hung tough on the shoulders of a breakout defensive performance, and found a way to get it done.
Put another way: if your takeaway from this game was that we aren't a great team, you probably don't understand why this was a great win. It was a great win for this team, this year. And it was a great win for what it said about the next special Texas team, probably next year.
Tonight's was definitely a game that will require some careful review of the film to fully digest, but let's dive in to a few game night observations:
Manny Diaz is a god. Not *the* God... I don't think. The bulk of the credit goes to the players, which we'll get into here momentarily, but as an initial matter, let's raise our glasses to toast Manny Diaz for his first performance that delivered a win that we wouldn't have picked up without an otherworldly defensive performance. I was a huge fan of Diaz's tactics and strategy heading into this season, but one of the big questions that was important to see was whether he would be as proficient an in-game teacher/adjuster as his predecessor, Will Muschamp. Boy did he answer that question this evening, as Diaz's charges built on a strong performance in a challenging first half to deliver a dominant second half performance that was chalk full of examples of improvement on plays that gave the defense trouble in the first half. Whether it was Alex Okafor staying home and releasing on the late releasing tight end, or Keenan Robinson and Emmanuel Acho adjusting to proper coverage of the tailbacks in the flat, the Texas defense dug in for a battle in which they knew that they had to be nearly perfect for Texas to win, and got it done. Had Texas not extended a BYU drive with two offsides penalties, they would have pitched a second half shutout. As it was, they held the Cougars to 3 points, literally just enough for the 'Horns to win.
Good bye, Garrett Gilbert? As hopeful as many of us were that Garrett Gilbert could rally from his dismal sophomore season, we all assumed that he would be operating on a short leash. Indeed, the question heading into the year was not so much whether it made sense to open the season with Gilbert as UT's starter so much as how Mack Brown and his staff would handle things if he faltered again. As I wrote just before the season began: "Instead, a poor start by Gilbert mostly means a definitive pivot to David Ash and Case McCoy, the rest of the season an ongoing competition between the two to emerge as the leader of teams that will be positioned to compete for titles."
Heading into this game there was certainly a sense that BYU would present a defining challenge to Gilbert. They definitely did, and though Gilbert may have been able to remain at the helm at least for a while longer with a mediocre performance tonight, when he opened the game completing as many of his first 8 passes to Cougars as Longhorns, there was little decision to be made. Although it's possible he'll get a few opportunities to redeem himself this year, Gilbert struggled tonight in all the ways that make it hard to believe it's worth the while.
With all that said, to those fans who couldn't let things just play out as they were going to play out, but had to boo the kid on his home field, as early as the first series of the first quarter: Shame on you. If you wanted a change at quarterback, but Mack Brown and Bryan Harsin refused to make that change, you could boo those guys after the game, in any number of ways. To boo Gilbert as he's fighting to be what he desperately wants to be for this team -- and for us, the UT fans -- is just bush league. What an embarrassment.
McCoy and Ash. With Gilbert making precisely the kinds of mistakes that made it impossible to keep him in, the coaches sat him down and went to work trying to get things going with a combination of freshman David Ash and sophomore Case McCoy. Setting aside any future-of-the-position talk for a moment, you had to be proud of both kids for what they contributed to the winning effort. Case McCoy did what McCoys do: looking not particularly capable of making plays, and making plays nonetheless. He converted a huge 4th and 4 to DJ Grant on a drive that would have produced points but for Texas getting stuffed on 4th and 1 inside the 20. And on the very next drive, McCoy completed a pair of passes to Shipley for 34 yards, setting up Texas for the game-winning touchdown.
For his part, David Ash delivered a gutty, game-changing performance with his all-around play, rushing 9 times for 39 yards, completing 2-of-3 passes for 35 yards, and catching an enormous 23-yard reception to help seal the game. Certainly, his inexperience showed, as he at times made the wrong read by keeping the ball on read/option plays, but his positive contributions were critical, and just as important, he never made a costly mistake. He was as involved as any player in the offense tonight, but he never panicked and didn't turn it over.
So who's the guy heading forward? Although outsiders may characterize the situation as unstable or tumultuous, it seems to me that we're right on schedule. Gilbert flopped, and thus we're moving on to phase two, where we play both Ash and McCoy and let things sort themselves out in due course. Personally, I'm of the view that over time the combination of Ash's strengths and McCoy's limitations will lead to Ash as The Guy for 2012 and beyond, but I don't see any kind of rush for the coaches to settle the matter, and think it probably a good thing that these two will both get their shots to make things happen. If McCoy plays very well and proves to be the better QB, great -- I'll be thrilled to have him. And if as many of us think David Ash is the future, I actually like that he'll be assuming the throne having won the crown. It'll be better for him, better for McCoy, better for the coaches, better for the fans. Better for next year's team. Better for everyone, really.
Texas' brilliant defensive performance. The performance of this group deserves a post all its own, and in the days ahead we'll certainly talk more about it, but let's spend a few moments highlighting some of the brilliance we saw tonight. First of all, if any positional unit gets the game ball for tonight's win, it's the linebacking corps, all of whom were fantastic, especially in the final 40 minutes. After a few early issues dealing with some of BYU's misidrection and bootlegs/waggles, the trio of Emmanuel Acho, Jordan Hicks, and Keenan Robinson were absolutely brilliant, whether in cleaning up with tackles or denying opportunities in coverage. Jordan Hicks is going to be a two-time All-American, the way he's going. And you have to be excited about Steve Edmond as the future at MLB; he's already tough to keep off the field.
Turning to the secondary, my thought in August was that you'd better get after these guys early because they're going to be formidable by November, but they're ahead of schedule. The inability of Heaps and BYU to test Texas downfield certainly helped, but there's no need to qualify the performance of Quandre Diggs and Carrington Byndom this evening. Diggs' game-sealing interception showcased everything that makes him special, and the job Byndom has done in each of the first two games in stepping up and playing a physical corner has made me beam with pride. He's still a bit raw in learning how to use his body and hands to break up pass plays, but the superior job he's doing as a tackler and all-around defender is so exciting to watch. And to think, I haven't even mentioned Adrian Phillips yet, who seems to possess a little bit of everything -- great instincts, an eagerness to tackle, and the ability both to be physical as a tackler and turn his hips and run. We're ahead of schedule this year, and this group is going to be filthy in 2012.
As for the defensive line, there were some issues, but they finished strong and we're starting to see some key young players answer the bell. Starting with the issues, early in the game both Alex Okafor and especially Jackson Jeffcoat were having real problems with basic containment. Part of that's over-aggressiveness and part of it's technique, but it's easily correctable and indeed we saw both improve as the game went on. On the interior, I pity the fan who doesn't appreciate what Kheeston Randall does for us because of what doesn't show up in the box score. BYU basically abandoned trying to run the ball inside and that's Randall. But if we knew what we had in Randall, it was very encouraging to start to see some signs of the future alongside him. Desmond Jackson gave us several good snaps, Calvin Howell had his best game yet, and Ashton Dorsey really flashed some quickness, strength, and disruptive ability that bodes very well for the future.
The offense does just enough. We've already discussed the quarterbacks, but let's wrap this with a few notes on their supporting cast. To begin with, it's hard to overstate how satisfying it is to have an offense that is able to execute a power rushing attack. We're a far cry from 2009 Alabama, but we have the ability to pound it into the end zone when we get in close, and we're running a complete offense that includes success in basic, straightforward rushing plays like the Power and Inside Zone. I've consistently maintained that this is the ideal way to use Cody Johnson, but I'd ideally like to see certain short-yardage carries go to Malcolm Brown, who has a good bit more slither to him, without sacrificing much power. Speaking of whom, I've been comfortable with the pace at which the coaches are bringing along Brown, as I think there's wisdom in pacing him through this freshman year. That said, he's the guy, and I don't doubt that it won't be long before we start leaning on him earlier in games; don't sweat it, if you are. Beyond Malcolm Brown, it's fantastic to see how we're using DJ Monroe in a specialized manner, and we saw tonight that going forward we'll see Fozzy Whittaker used more and more situationally, as well. The important thing is still what these guys offer us in combination, and it's very clear that Harsin and Applewhite understand what each brings to the table, and how they'd like to use them.
Turning to the receivers, the passing game was a bit of a mess tonight, and when we talk about how much room to grow and improve this team has, Mike Davis' zero receptions says it all. There's nothing to worry about long-term there, and in terms of those who were involved, obviously Jaxon Shipley picked up where he left off last week in terms of making you wonder whether he can really be a true freshman. Beyond that, the only substantive comment I have is that Darius White needs to step up his game. He's playing like a player who's thinking out there, and he needs to get it going and assert himself as a readied playmaker or he'll get passed up by a depth chart that isn't lacking for talent.
As for the offensive line, offering evaluations of individual performances based on a live viewing isn't particularly helpful. You notice some individual screw ups, but it's hard to really evaluate anyone's overall performance without going back over the game tape, so I'll save any thoughts on individuals for later. As a whole, I thought they did a pretty decent job pass protecting and once again seemed to improve as the game went on as a run-blocking unit.
Final thoughts. To end where I started, I was so proud of the way this team battled to win the game. I was grateful as hell for our defense in the first half, when they single-handedly kept us in the game. Even as the defense battled through their own challenges with BYU, they held the line by holding the Cougars to field goals. And as they made adjustments as the game wore on, they completely took control and began to dictate to BYU, rather than the other way around. I noted in my preview of BYU's offense that "when he's grooving Heaps is keeping the defense off balance with quick-strike passes to lots of different receivers and backs," and though that's precisely what he was doing to open the game, the Texas defese did a fantastic job of knocking Heaps completely out of rhythm in the second half. Texas outgained BYU 201-67 in total yardage in the second half, and outrushed the Cougars 166-43 overall for the game.
All in all, it was hardly a pretty performance, but given the way things started and everything that unfolded over the course of the game, this ranks as one of the best and most encouraging wins in a long while. Indeed, it was the first time Texas has won after trailing at the end of three quarters since Colt McCoy and Texas stormed back from a 35-14 deficit to defeat Oklahoma State way back in November of 2007. This is a young Texas team very much still finding its identity, but what made tonight's choppy performance such a good one was the fact that (1) what we saw very much spoke to the development of such an identity, and (2) they won the game in the process.
And though in the heat of the games it can be hard to remember, let alone appreciate, that's what this 2011 season is all about: process.
So far, so good, and I couldn't be happier or prouder of this team that after tonight they've also got a 2-0 record to show for it.
Hook 'em.
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I have to say it was good to really get excited about a game again. Standing up, clapping, cheering. Even if we lose games, I won’t be that upset if they are like today’s performance.
by Northwest Horn on Sep 11, 2011 3:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
And my condolences go out to everyone today effected by the events 10 yrs ago.
by Northwest Horn on Sep 11, 2011 3:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not to be a dick
Malcolm Brown.
by JeffTweedyIsGod on Sep 11, 2011 3:23 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Ha I saw that too
Regardless, get writeup Peter. And part of me is def sad if this is the end for Gilbert. I’ve always rooted for the kid, and if he is a sacrifice for Greg Davis, then thats even worse. That being said, I’m all for David Ash. The kids a gamer, and the future at QB going forward in my opinion.
Agreed
Thanks for the late night write up. Excellent stuff, but then again its the norm around here. We’re lucky to have such an excellent staff that makes up the back-BON of this site.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Its late so I'll forgive you for getting my hopes up
but I’d ideally like to see certain short-yardage carries go to Malcolm Williams, who has a good bit more slither to him, without sacrificing much power.
Me too, Pedro Frijole. Me too.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Brief thoughts:
1. Loved the secondary. They will be good, and soon.
2. Jeffcoat is on penalty notice. Run some laps after practice, I hope/
3. David Snow — what is going on with him?
4. Malcolm Brown picks up 4 yards in his sleep.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 11, 2011 3:48 AM CDT reply actions
Jeffcoat had one of those Killebrew souffle's before the game.
Gotta lay off those angry foods.
I need to rewatch the game
Why didn’t we start Brown and DJ?
It seemed like as soon as we gave up on GG, we put those 2 in the game and they were huge factors in the success of McCoy and Ash. I kind of think that GG would still be our QB if those two started , established the run game , and took some pressure off of GG.
i wanted Gilbert out after the second pick
but i agree the booing by the crowd was completely improper and immature
formerly "Horns102591"
There is no place for booing in amature althletics!
I understand the desire for a better performance, but I’ve never liked booing. About the closest I ever got to booing was the pregame vs Miami at the Cotton Bowl.
"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.
Oh how I wish this was amateur athletics...
The business of college football has never been bigger or more on display than with the entire realignment thing and the NCAA sitting idly by on their hands.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Sep 11, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you....
I’m just against amature’s being singled out for failure….I don’t watch pro sports, I got tired of the "Randy Moss’ " walking of the field while his teammates are still playing the game…
"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.
by ouALWAYSsux on Sep 12, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
For the record
I didn’t boo GG. I agree with PB at wholeheartedly. The kid has trying to play with his heart during the 1st quarter but these morons just did everything to discourage him.
What a privilege that I can able to watch the game from Hong Kong. Anytime you got a win by just 1 pt, it must be very hurtful to the opponent. What an awesome win.
As always, thanks for the great summary, PB.
I disagree
The coaches stuck with him too long. We care about our team. If GG returns in the second half we lose. If you want to let the coaches know your feelings, you boo. Letting the coaches know how you feel after the game (again, a loss if GG stays in) means an L in the column.
its not
Come Early. Be Loud. Stay Late*
*but please don’t boo, it makes us sad.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
The coaches don't give a flip about what the fans think once the game started
If Brown & Co. looked to amateurs for coaching advice then they have no business being on the sidelines. UT football is not a democracy.
"Well, a guy did a Horns down to him. You just shouldn’t do that."
by Johngo on Sep 11, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Of course. Fans were booing the coaches, not Gilbert
Why didn’t I think of that as fans were booing Gilbert as he was leaving the field?
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 11, 2011 9:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You think booing has no effect?
The fans were booing GG. And the coaches. They don’t listen to the fans for coaching advice, but you better believe the fans booing GG’s performance were correct and if not consciously reinforcing his lousiness, at least subconsciously. Plain and simple we lose if he stays in. So how to display our lamentations regarding a rapidly approaching loss? Why booing of course.
They do give a flip what the fans do during the game. Thus the motto. Booing shows displeasure. Cheering shows pleasure. “Being Loud” is a motivator. We booed and I can assure it played at least a supporting role for their decisions. Now do we boobirds take credit for his benching? Hardly. But we let Mack and boys know that crap was lousy. Its part of what makes a fan.
Of course, there are appropriate times to boo and some times its not. See Philiadelphia for examples of when to not boo.
I think its silly to say booing is immature. So is screaming for a bunch of young men playing football. Booing is a needed outlet for expressing dissastisfaction.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arrogance
Boo a kid gutting it out, doing his best, wearing the burnt orange? You cannot be serious. Please pull back from the edge. It’s just a game. It did not take booing to show the coaches the team was ineffective with Gilbert at the helm. It was pretty obvious. They don’t listen to your boos, or my internet rants, or make decisions based on flyover banners. You should probably check your influence meter as it appears to be malfunctioning.
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by TXStampede on Sep 11, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I am not a big fan of booing your own team.
Particularly so early in the season. Gilbert being benched was the right decision, but the decisions of the fans in the stands to boo wasn’t.
I am on Twitter @jeffchaley
Booing is merely the fans frustration megaphone.
We cheer much more loudly than we boo. GG knows the fans are frustrated. Nobody could be harder on him than he will be on himself.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Sep 11, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree completely
We shouldnt be booing players. Boo referees or something else. We’re Texas. We should have more class than that
I agree with you
Booing has an impact – though probably not a tactical impact.
My influence meters is just fine
Its my emotions that get the best of me….
Was it obvious to Mack that Greg Davis was ineffective?
Of course they don’t listen, but it just feels so good to vent. I guess I’m the only pessimistic fan, but I am a fan none the less.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
If you think booing impacts the coaches decisions...
Mack Brown didn’t get where he is by responding to the knee-jerk whims and reactions of the fans.
I always think Bobby Knight said it best. “If you listen to the guys up in the stands, pretty soon you’ll be up there sitting with them.” It is the first rule of coaching at any level in any sport.
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I'm sorry not so fast
I didn’t know booing meant a lack of class and a clown. I guess we should just sit back and take whatever bad coaching decision happens and say
“golly gee, i guess starting every game with a negative yardage pass from Greg Davis is just great football sense. I can’t boo because I’m not a coach and I would hate to be called a classless clown on the net.”
So what is your definition of class? How should I have responded to the second pick by GG? “Yay, way to go Mack, leave him in some more?” or perhaps, "Its ok Gilbert, heres another capri sun… " Are we a smart football crowd? Can we not tell when we have a guy that can’t win football games at QB?
I don’t get it. What did you do when he through the second pick and it looked like the stormin mormons were about to kill us? Because about 50K of us thought it was crap and we booed. What’s the “classy” response?
Yup, thats my question. What’s the classy response? Do you ever boo? Or do you just leave the game midway through the 2nd quarter?
Come Early. Be Loud. Stay Late.*
*But don’t question any decision and really don’t pretend to know when a QB stinks. Because then you are classless.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t know booing meant a lack of class and a clown.
Now you do. 
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
by LonghornEm on Sep 11, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Have to mildly agree...
After the first series, no booing.
After throwing the ball into the dirt 15 yards in front of your reciever… a smattering of boos… kind of classless.
After the pop up interception, definite boos, classless. Bad throw but it could have happened to anyone.
After throwing into double coverage… well then I can understand booing the coach who probably should not have sent him out there for a fourth ineffective series after he was clearly rattled.
I am with Mack. they were booing the coach. If you don’t believe that influenced the decision not to send him back in there, well, I would probably point you to various psychology and management texts for a reality check. It had some influence, although he probably would have come to the same decision regardless. That doesn’t mean it had nothing to do with it. Mack is no Bobby Knight, would would dig in his heels. Mack is a CEO/politician type.
Let’s not demagogue booers. I don’t think I’ve ever booed at a college game (except bad calls) but I can understand why people were frustrated. I have a MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM with people who come on the internet and trash players.
Nicknames like “EBS” (one of the few I can think of) I think are particularly troubling to me. A guy can overcome mometary booing, and even be motivated by it, but I think seeing something in writing has a bigger impact.
That being said, I hope they can redshirt Gilbert this year. He may just need a fresh start elsewhere.
by Erasmus Funderburke on Sep 11, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you can't see it, then I can't help you.
Yup, thats my question. What’s the classy response? Do you ever boo? Or do you just leave the game midway through the 2nd quarter?
How about I say the whole game and don’t boo? In fact, I’d probably leave the game before I’d start booing the team.
You know why? Because I don’t see any reason to give a bunch of kids, or just one kid in this case, a hard time while they’re busting their asses for my entertainment.
So what is your definition of class? How should I have responded to the second pick by GG? "Yay, way to go Mack, leave him in some more?" or perhaps, "Its ok Gilbert, heres another capri sun… " Are we a smart football crowd? Can we not tell when we have a guy that can’t win football games at QB?
How do you think this situation is handled in the locker room? You think the team boos Gilbert when he gets back there? No, they don’t, because Mack would throw anyone who did that out on their ass. Why? Because it’s fucking unsportsmanlike.
If GG is doing bad you set him on the bench, and say ‘good job’, because that’s how a mature individual would show some character.
I think people were booing that fact that no one was doing that - and obviously the fans can't do so:
“If GG is doing bad you set him on the bench, and say ‘good job’, because that’s how a mature individual would show some character.”
You're delusional if you think the booing was the reason they pulled GG
If coaches listened to what fans wanted them to do, they’d all be out of their jobs. I seem to remember a certain Chance Mock whom at least half the fans really thought was a better choice for quarterback than that Young kid from Houston.
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I was at Texas during the VY/Chance Mock "controversy."
Almost everyone I know thought VY should be starting a long time before the coaches did.
That's the way I remember it as well.
And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills
by run Bevo run on Sep 11, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you not remember the 2004 Missouri game?
Where half the texas fanbase wanted to make Mock the starter, and move Young to WR?
Ramonce Taylor was our leading passer that game
at only 48 yards.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
I certainly don't remember that.
Perhaps it was non-student fans? Or perhaps it was the “Texas” fans you hang out with?
Well
In a certain game in 2003 vs Texas Tech…he was. But now I’m just nitpicking.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
GG at TE.....
Looking towards the future. Let’s put 20 pounds on him and play him at passing TE. He has the speed and I’m sure he has the hands. The kid is an athlete, just not a QB.
We already have like 7 scholarship players at TE.
Not sure he would ever see the field because you need to be a good blocker also.
I was joking:) He will transfer I bet.
Which is a good thing. He needs to get out of Austin. Too much pressure growing up there.
Not so fast my friend.
If I’m Gilbert, I am secretly thinking
“man, there is no way Case is going to survive the season making those low velocity passes into traffic. Ash doesn’t know 95% of the playbook, so he’s no threat this year. I am going to work my ass off and prove everyone wrong”
It’s not like Case was a world beater last night and clearly overtook the QB1 role. He had a few gutsy plays and got us the W but he didn’t write his name in stone on that starting QB role.
Not so fast my friend, indeed
"man, there is no way Case is going to survive the season making those low velocity passes into traffic. Ash doesn’t know 95% of the playbook, so he’s no threat this year. I am going to work my ass off and prove everyone wrong"
If this was the thought process Gilbert went through, we would have seen a different Gilbert yesterday. The poor decisions (that we also saw in the Rice game, despite the blowout) did not change from last year to game one or two this year.
QB and OLine situations
I agree that the booing was terrible. GG knew he screwed up and that he was going to the bench. I like that he kept his head in the game by standing with the other QBs during timeouts.
I am not sold on the other two at QB though. Either the coaching staff calls too many QB keepers or Ash still has not figured out how to read the defense on the option. Regardless, Ash had too many keepers. Why did the coaches not call play action, which would have loosened the defense for the option.
McCoy at this point is not the answer. He cannot progress through his reads because of his happy feet. Is the game too fast for him? Is he too worried about Ash and GG?
The pass to Grant on the out pattern was terrific but the pass that Shipley needed a ladder to catch was not.
The offensive line deserves its own post. I cannot believe this OL is essentially the same unit as last year. They are opening holes for the running game and giving some time to the QBs to make reads. It helps that the coaches call a balance game. Brown, Monroe, Johnson get running lanes thanks to our vastly improved OL play.
Ash had 5 plays in his package. That’s why.
We don’t know who the answer is at QB yet. However, I know our team rallied around Ash and McCoy and we scored points and didn’t turn the ball over when GG was benched. Huge difference.
Again
Ash does not know only five plays, his particular package is 5 plays. He knows much more of the playbook than that.
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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 11, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I definitely expect so
Let me explain this a bit further because I think I did a bad job earlier. I realized I sounded like I was disagreeing with 989, while I was merely trying to clarify what he was saying. From what I understand, Mack was only planning on having Ash run a possible set of 5 plays. This should not be interpreted as “Ash can only run 5 plays. Period.” He would be capable of running the offense in a situation where McCoy and Gilbert were both injured.
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Absolutely
Ash knows as much of the playbook as any of the QBs. But he runs certain plays over and over in practice, while the other QBs run different plays. It’s a matter of mastering what Harsin wants him to be able to do, while the other QBs get more breadth but less depth in their practice routine.
the one thing not mentioned
…is how much better the tackling was compared to last year. Very impressive tackling not giving up YAC. The DBs were especially good.
by DreadedOne on Sep 11, 2011 7:35 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Have to agree with this
I’m rewatching the game right now and the corners especially are standing out so far. Diggs and Byndom are just so physical for young corners. BYU has some big receivers, and our cornerbacks are coming up and meeting them with abandon.
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Couldn’t help but think Case McCoy would have benefited from a few more reps last season. We burned his redshirt in the Rice game and I think if he’d played in the K-State and OSU blowouts, he would have been that much further ahead.
For all I know the coaches thought he was too young at that time or didn’t want to cause a QB controversy, but if they can play Ash like they are in his freshman season, they could have played McCoy more.
Wonder what Greg Davis thought about the first half against BYU.
Regardless, I was a 5 year old at Chuck E Cheese for most of that 4th quarter bouncing around screaming, “we got our team back, we got our team back.”
It’s still an 8-4 at best most likely, but it’s a swaggery 8-4.
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I like to imagine Greg Davis was mumbling to himself, “See it wasn’t my fault. The bubble screen and attacking horizontally are viable strategies.”
C'mon now
When has not having an experienced back up ever come back to haunt us?
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too soon bro..
…still too soon.
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by dukeoforange on Sep 11, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Coach Brown post-game indictment of Greg Davis perhaps?
And that’s what I thought we would have last year, and we didn’t do them in that fashion. But we didn’t panic tonight. We kept running the ball instead of throwing every ball when we got down by 13 [or] 10. I thought our coaches did a great job of sticking with what we’re trying to do right now.
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I have to agree with that assessment. Given his druthers, Mack prefers to run.
Nice that Mack has his comfort zone…let’s hope we can keep running.
If the decision is to keep GG at #3, then this week the coaches can concentrate on designing game planning around Case and Ash that should be much more effective than Saturday night. UCLA was breathless in the fourth quarter against Houston’s hurry up offense. I think we can improve on that.
Agree that those two should be on the field…they lead and they have the team’s confidence.
Great, Great Post.
Agree with everything you wrote. I guess I am a typical Longhorn fan in that I want them to be dominant every time they take the field. That’s not this team and I have to catch myself and remember where we are in relation to where we’ll be in the coming seasons. Gilbert deserves our respect, he’s a good kid. Harsinwhite are mad scientists who hates to lose and will do whatever it takes to keep that from happening. They know what they’re doing with Brown and the rest of the O. Diaz is as advertised. The young kids are a special group. Game balls to the entire coaching staff and a special game ball to Bernie W. His work was on display in the 2nd half. Where was Bergeron?
Would assume
He gets a bit lost in the fold the rest of the year with how good Brown is at running and the staff’s love of Cody at FB. Bergeron will have to learn to block better if he wants to pass Johnson up at FB or HB or whatever back. Malcolm is just too good to give those carries to Berg, right now.
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I'm excited that as good as the D looked
There is still plenty of room for improvement. These guys could end up being really nasty by the end of the year. We still need to see them against a pass-happy team though.
Manny Diaz
We better up his pay to astounding amounts, because he is going to get picked off for a HC by someone. The defense was absolutly amazing. I will admit it takes me a little bit to get used to the bend but dont break defense, but now that I am accustomed to it I love it. I know alot of folks are excited about how nasty our defense will be next year, but I think we are already nasty. I think our offense will come along with the Ash McCoy tag team, it just seems like the team plays harder when one of them is running the show. McCoy still makes it ugly, but he gets it done just like the spring game. Couple of things I took from the game
1.Freaking Jaxon Shipley
2. Malcolm Brown does not lose yardage
3.Bergeron?
4,Didnt seem to be holes for the backs to get through.
5.Diggs will win some awards this year.
6.Case McCoy is blessed.(Its the only reason I can think off that he doesent get picked off)
7. A lot of penalties
by horninraidercountry on Sep 11, 2011 8:53 AM CDT reply actions
His high pass to Shipley and side-line first down pass were both in the proper place
where only they could catch them. I thought better of him after those two. At least he knows where the ball needs to go.
The effective short yardage running is back.
For the first times in years 1st and goal at the five isn’t a sinking in the pit of the stomach, white knuckle experience.
Case McCoy has IT. When he was leading the team it looked like they knew where they were going, very purposeful. He seems to be successful not because of superior skills but through sheer determination. Ash may have more talent but I think McCoy is going to show the has that intangible leadership quality that makes the offense execute efficiently.
Will be interesting to see how much we can expand Ash's role by OU.
I think this offense goes from mediocre to good if Ash can execute 10 different run plays and 10 different pass plays rather than the 5 or so he has right now.
It’s disappointing to me that we wasted so many reps on Gilbert, when I have to think that deep down, Harsin had a feeling GG wouldn’t be able to get it done when the lights came on. GG’s sample size of poor play was too large to ignore.
Shipley has had a Heisman like performance tonight…nice punt return, two highlight reel catches, The Pass…wow.
Malcolm Brown is the truth.
Our DBs are incredible.
The young guys on our team this year have taught me something…either you’re ready to play in your 1st or 2nd year or it probably aint happening for you.
Will be exciting to watch this team grow. Hook em.
If Malcolm Brown is the truth
What does that make Johnathan Gray? God, I can’t wait ’til next year.
guess that means Ash is "The Way"
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by dukeoforange on Sep 11, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
GG deserved a fair chance in a real Offense
he got it and we saw what he has done with it, time to move on to the next guy.
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by dukeoforange on Sep 11, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
noticed that as well
Its more impressive because they played from behind most of the game. Thats what your supposed to do if you have a QB situation. I hope they keep that stat up
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by fanoflosingteams on Sep 11, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
more impressive because the run game was not working early on but we (and the heat) wore'em down
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by dukeoforange on Sep 11, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Another very encouraging sign...
wide receivers blocking down field… yes, at the University of Texas.
Did you forget about this?
I think Lindy Holmes’ jock was found somewhere around Forney.
by nvrfrgt63 on Sep 11, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great analysis, but one huge factor I missed was D J Monroe......lightening in a bottle made some great plays
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by MeatchickenHorn on Sep 11, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions
DJs been great this year
showing the speed we all knew about, but also some toughness
And where was Bergeron?
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by MeatchickenHorn on Sep 11, 2011 9:50 AM CDT reply actions
I think Bergerons' snaps this year will be limited because MB does everything a little better
I think Joe steps in CoJo’s role next year as fullback and gives a more dynamic player in that role.
It sucks for Bergeron
Once Gray gets to campus, I’m pretty sure it’s going to be extremely difficult for any other backs to have a chance to crack that line up. DJ’lll have his plays, but the rest should be a rotation of Brown and Gray.
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With CoJo graduating
He can add some more good weight and be a great FB/ H-back like we originally recruited him for. No loss.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Still too predictable...
… on 4th and short. Everyone in the stadium knows Cody Johnson will take the ball up the middle. Would like to see something different, even if it’s just a different ball carrier (e.g., Malcolm Brown).
Overall though, very encouraged by the second half. We lose this game last year. Harsin and Diaz made the difference. Nice write-up.
Acceptable
It 4th and 1, gut-check time. Team is moving from a spread finesse team to a power team. There are times you have to rely on o-line and RB to get one yard.
I agree
But I think that failure in the BYU will cause Harsin to open up the playbook a little more on 4th and short now.
Would love to see Ash in the game in these situations and run a fake hand-off, boot leg roll out with the option to run or pass.
I Agreed
i agree the booing by the crowd was completely improper and immature.
by Yankees Man on Sep 11, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Texas fans who boo our players should fuck off and root for another team.
by bigdukesix on Sep 11, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
^^^^^^^^^You mad 'bro?
It would be hard for me to contemplate agreeing with this statement anymore that you exquisitely stated.
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Turnovers
Something that caught my eye last night was the number of near turnovers when our D was on the field. Would be interesting to see a stat on the number of times that (a) BYU put the ball on the field but recovered, (b) tipped balls that hit the dirt & © interceptions slid through the fingertips of our guys. It felt like there were at least 5 or 6 almost-turnovers that could have gone our way but did not. The Edmond-forced fumble on kickoff in the 3rd quarter comes to mind. The play shortly after that BYU fumbled but it wasn’t called a fumble. Happy we evened the score on turnovers but seemed like we were a couple of unlucky bounces from having many more in our column.
Question about booing
For those of you knocking booing…
Do you think it’s ever appropriate to boo your team at a sporting event?
I don’t get what all the fuss is about. If I’m booing, I’m booing Mack Brown because what I see on the field tonight was caused by laziness and poor decision making 2-3 years ago.
I am letting Mack know that shit was not acceptable and I notice that it’s led to him putting an inferior product on the field.
I personally am against booing my team under almost any circumstance.
I am having a hard time contemplating situations where I would be inclined to boo the horns. Perhaps if they had done something very disgraceful that had brought major shame to the University (like Miami), and hadn’t been adequately punished. That is about it.
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by Reggieball on Sep 11, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that I think of it
I have only booed in two situations:
1) Really bad call by the officials.
2) When Luke Axtell came back to town with Kansas.
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I boo the refs, as well as foul play.
Do you think it’s ever appropriate to boo your team at a sporting event?
Only for extreme unsportsmanlike conduct.
I can support that position...
Booing the refs is pretty harmless. Just part of the fun of a live sporting event, really. There usually isn’t that much anger behind it.
Booing extreme unsportsmanlike conduct also seems a pretty reasonable position.
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If my team is a bunch of overpaid pros, sure.
But not a bunch of kids who bleed orange.
by txzen on Sep 11, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Booing
I think a D1 football player is much tougher than you anti-booers think. And a CEO Coach needs to here he’s not pleasing his customers. A good round of BOOOOO is an instant message.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well you could try the traditional channels
And a CEO Coach needs to here he’s not pleasing his customers.
Like you know, email, or just not buying his product.
Yeah, because a coach definitely checks his email in game
or even bothers to read most of it. He probably has someone to check email and weed out the emails that aren’t all that important.
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How about not buying the product?
The coach, and the powers that be, DO see how full the stands are.
The next time you feel like booing, maybe you just shouldn’t show up. Kills two birds with one stone, since then we don’t have to listen to you.
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I feel bad for Gilbert and obviously stunned silence would be preferable to booing but I can’t get too upset at the fans. The booing that was coming from my sofa was directed at the decision to keep Gilbert on the field, despite a LOT of evidence that he was not picking up the speed of the college game going all the way back to the Alabama game. It’s hard to trust the coaches that they are making the right decisions after enduring last season (forgetting for the moment that there are new coaches). So I think fans are on a pretty short fuse. I think Monday morning, Gilbert goes to class and people are patting him on the back and wishing him the best of luck. But what we were doing (with him specifically) was not working and not getting better and I think fans (somewhat understandably) wonder why we’re continuing down that path. Nobody in that stadium knew for sure that Gilbert would get the axe, since he didn’t get it all last season after similar performances…
I agree
I booed because we needed a change and it wasn’t coming. Its never personal toward the player.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
re: Its never personal toward the player.
I’m sure that’s a great comfort to a kid who has worked his tail off, knows he’s screwed up and is killing himself inside, seeing his dreams of starring for the Longhorns come crashing down, and hearing himself booed by 100-thousand or so home team fans who "don’t mean it personally…
Perhaps the fact that he's listening to the crowd is the reason he's struggled so much?
Maybe this will finally stop the meme that Texas players are coddled.
Defense
To give up 1 TD (97 yard drive) in two games is impressive no matter who you play. By holding BYU to FGs when the defense needed to was the difference in the game. 4 FGs = 12 points, 4-5 TDs = 28-35 points (31or 35-17 would have been a horrific loss) . Hopefully the defense will continue and improve in Big 12 play. The offense and defense have time to be ready for Big 12 play and the game against OU.
I like using McCoy and sprinkling in Ash for the offense like Florida did with Tim Tibow during his freshman year.
by Ryan2907 on Sep 11, 2011 10:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I had a moment of clarity where I saw Ash as Tim Tebow reborn
He’s a big kid, likes the contact, and it looks like they want to run him.
If he’s got a big gun for an arm, they might be able to use him in a Tebow-esque fashion.
GG
I feel bad for Gilbert but, so far he seems like a talented player who looks good in practice that just doesn’t translate to Gameday. Occasionally teams will get a QB who just doesn’t translate to College ball. Texas was fortunate to go smoothly from VY to Colt and stay at a high level on the field.
by Ryan2907 on Sep 11, 2011 10:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He didn't really look all that great in practice
He looked serviceable and only got the start because of “experience” even though that experience was wasted on him because he kept making the same mistakes.
TEXAS FIGHT
I am sure GG is harder on himself than we ever could be.
GG thanks for doing your best and for being one of the first on the field to congratulate your teammates. Class act kid.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
Slightly Different Take
While I agree with a lot of my colleague’s take, and there is no question that this win was gutty, impressive, and character building, I also see some ugly writing on the wall.
If the defense is ahead of where we thought they’d be, the offense may be equally behind where we thought they’d be.
Coming into this season, I thought 9-3 was achievable if Gilbert emerged as the confident starter who could lead an offense capable of attacking on the ground first, but through the air as well. I also thought that it would probably take a loss for him to lose his starting position.
Well, two games in and Gilbert is probably gone as your starter. As exciting as it was to watch the offense literally manufacture points in the second half comeback, it was equally scary for my season-long outlook. Without Gilbert, this offense becomes severely limited. (Aside, I am in no way advocating that GG stay the starter—that ship has sailed; I am simply makinga point.) The coaches clearly do not trust Ash to thow the ball. Mack even said that his “play package” included only five plays and we ran out of those pretty quickly. Sure, he will now become a bigger part of the offense, but through two games, when Ash is in the game, a run is coming.
With McCoy, the attack appears equally limited. His lack of arm strength coupled with happy feet in the pocket made each called pass last night a near heart attack for me in the stands. I have no doutt that he will improve as he works with the 1s in practice. Given the physical limitations, I questions how much improvement is possible.
All that said, I had fun last night at DKR. It was a memorable and impressive win. I am merely pointing out that w/o the ability to stretch the field, our offense is about to become much more easily defended. The D looked great last night but it may need to be among the nation’s best to find 8 or 9 wins this season.
--AW--
by awiggo on Sep 11, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good points
I agree with your take. To be great on offense this year, we really needed Gilbert to figure things out. It seems like our offensive upside is limited if McCoy is the starting QB, and the plan seems to be to bring Ash along slowly. I don’t really think the plan with Ash is a bad one, and we don’t seem to have anyone right now likely to emerge this year as an outstanding QB.
But those are just the cards we have been dealt. This is going to be an up and down year, particularly on offense. We don’t have a great QB on the roster right now, so I would prefer we stick to the plan with Ash.
Harsin and Applewhite are going to earn their money this year, if they can manufacture a reasonable passing game out of what they have.
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Exactly
They will most definitely earn their money this season.
To use an analogy that you will hopefully appreciate, our football offense reminds me of running Balbay, Mason, and Abrams in the backcourt at the same time and trying to feed the post. Four on two in the paint makes defense pretty easy.
Eight in the box will becomeon the norm unless McCoy and / or Ash show more with their arms.
--AW--
I actually think our outlook improved the second GG came out
We went from a 7 win team tops to a possible 9+ win team.
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How can we get rid of..
the HORRIBLE twangy country song about running for the roses, Heisman poses.. I can not even find the name of the song to try and prove my case… It is just awful..
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You mean this one?
Sure, it’s hokey, but that doesn’t mean it’s horrible.
by TexasTexasYeehaw on Sep 11, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
So we are pro hokey at DKR?
If we don’t stop it now.. people will think it is a standard..
Next we will take off AC/DC Thunderstruck and be doing the chicken dance.
We’re Texas, We’re Hokey..
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We're pro-musical diversity
So we play some Django over the speakers, the band plays DJ Khaled and Deep in the Heart of Texas, and then we get to hear some George Strait to cap the evening at DKR. A little something for everyone — I’m all for it.
by TexasTexasYeehaw on Sep 11, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
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By Jerry Jeff’s son Django. You can own it at iTunes. Sorry it doesn’t cater to highbrow tastes. I like it.
Great Stuff, PB!
Hard to disagree with much here – save for the GG saga* – a lot to be hopeful about for the rest of the season and 2012. I am curious about your thoughts on Gideon’s play. Last season I pegged him as all hat and no cattle and haven’t seen much to dissuade me of that notion this year, though he does have more playmakers around him. Is BG the best guy in his position on the depth chart?
*I had seen all I needed to see about GG midway through last season and had no hope for improvement. He was what he was. Part of that “it” factor is the ability to lead and inspire the young men on the field with you. If you believe in the guy who’s leading you into battle you pull your ears back a little tighter, you dig for every ounce of strength a little harder, you toughen up against adversity a little ballsier; a leader on the field makes everyone on the field better. Despite all the right words being coaxed out his teammates there’s no doubt in this Horn’s mind that they didn’t believe in GG. And no amount of coaching was going to fix it, only his performance. Sadly, for his sake, he proved incapable of performing better. Happily, for the team’s and fan’s sake, the coaches pulled the plug after his inevitable mediocre performance they were waiting for – and it didn’t cost a loss!
GG may be a great kid who volunteers in the community and is a wonderful humanitarian both in word and deed. He may be a stereotypical meathead jock who made it through high school as rich stud extraordinaire but who’s arrogance never matched his talent. I don’t know, nor do I care. Because what he did as UT qb resulted in the worst on-field showings of a proud program that will always be known as the Dark Ages in the Mack Brown Era. I do fault MB for putting him in the position that fans felt the need to boo him. In an effort to not hurt his confidence by not pulling him after 5 int’s in a game last season there’s no way he or anyone couldn’t expect or predict that those two picks would cause even more confidence breaking lusty boos from the stands. By naming GG starter this season the “classless” boos were going to be part of the script. I blame MB for subjecting GG to that, and I’m quite certain that 90% of the fans booing were booing that decision, NOT GG himself.
That said, today is a new day, I now have a curiosity and excitement about the season that I couldn’t fake or delude myself into having just eighteen hours ago!
by RMHorn on Sep 11, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I can respect your position but I heartily disagree
The way this whole QB controversy has been developed by the fans and media alike makes me really angry. Let me preface by saying this, I’d been willing to give GG the benefit of the doubt this season, until the second interception of the night. But fans booing a player still is classless regardless of “who” they were actually booing, or “why” they were doing it.
This is a kid, who wanted to play for Texas, and wanted to succeed. Imagine you doing something you thought you were good at, but sucking at it, and then being booed at by 100,000 fans. I feel for the kid, and am very disappointed with how the fans, media and coaches have handled the situation. Down to the media showing GG tearing up and red-eyed when he was pulled.
Can we please celebrate the fact that the team is coming together and that we have an exciting QB controversy without saying good riddance and calling a Longhorn a d-bag, for not being able to put it together. (This wasn’t in response to you particularly, but to all Texas fans who were still calling GG nasty things after he was pulled.) Again, I’m not saying he shouldn’t have been benched, just that fans are being classless about it.
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by NYHorn on Sep 11, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure GG is 20 or 21 years old. He ain't no kid.
And no man worth his salt is going to get upset over a few boos. Football is a sport…it’s supposed to based on war and played by warriors. Not sensitive cry babies.
These “kids” are old enough to actually go to war, they’re old enough to handle a few boos. I am just saying we don’t need to be feeling so god damn sorry for these players. Mack Brown tries to convince us that they’re all just kids, but I don’t buy that shit. These guys make adult decisions day in day out and lead adult lives. I’m tired of being told to treat them like kids, esp the upper classmen. I remember being 18, I was an adult…a dumb one…but i functioned as an adult and demanded people treat me as one.
Now that said, I think fans should choose their boos wisely. I don’t it often because it’s not specific enough and can be misinterpreted. If I’m pissed off in the stands, instead of booing I’ll yell something much worse…but it’s usually directed at the coaches or refs.
Everyone's going to be disheartened by boos
Even Terry Bradshaw getting booed by his own Steelers fans felt pretty crappy about it, but it’s just something that players should understand is going to happen. It’s human nature to wear our emotions on our sleeves and voice our displeasure when someone’s dragging our team into the losing column with bad play.
TEXAS FIGHT
Agree, Coming Together Now as Team and Fans is Paramount
But, I shed no tears and have little sympathy or compassion for the wealthy offspring of a professional football player who’s had every advantage in life above and beyond every person on this board, who will land on his feet and be set for life with little cause for the worries of life that we “normal” folk deal with. Celebrity and public stature comes with its upsides and downsides. They get the preferential treatment at restaurants, get the adoration and affections of the most gorgeous young women in any town they travel to, willing to wait their turn for a “ride”, get the fist-pump adulation of men connecting with the testosterone they have the need to feel course through their veins, get the job opportunities that open up – even to back-benchers like Chance Mock who will get business because he was a Texas QB! No, sorry, not really persuaded by an argument for sympathy. Welcome to a little bit of reality, GG, you don’t get all the gifts your athleticism and family lineage gave you without paying a price when you fail to produce. While I still maintain that the boos were mostly directed at MB’s decision, not GG himself, that’s the price he has to be willing to pay if he wants to live his life of fame, fortune and privilege in the public eye, in his chosen profession.
And He Should Aleady Know That
His father, ESPECIALLY because he was a professional back-up QB, has probably already given him that same exact sermon as he was growing up. GG will be just fine if he’s been prepared for this moment by the experiences his father hopefully learned from and passed on.
Wow.
So your issue with him really wasn’t his play on the field, but the fact that you’re jealous of what he had growing up, and still hold that against him now? Got it.
Usually a sunshine pumper
I’m going to be a pessimist – or more of a devil’s advocate – this morning. Let me preface this by saying I’m happy to be 2-0 and agree that last year’s team would have lost this game in humiliating fashion. That said…
The bend-don’t-break defensive philosophy is fine when you’re playing Rice and BYU – teams that lack playmakers who can burn you down on any play from any point on the field. While I’m encouraged with the progress the defense made last night, I’m still not sure what we have on defense yet.
Remember, BYU struggled to score even one offensive touchdown against Ole Miss last week. Their offensive approach is similar to that of our defense – move up the ball fluidly between the 20s, then stall and hope the kicker makes it.
I appreciate the effort of the defense last night. They improved as the game went on. They held steady and pitched a near shutout in the second half. We’re talking about a loss this morning if they don’t do these things. I’m just not sure I’m all that impressed by them yet.
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Agreed 100%
It was good to see Dorsey in the lineup this week. He provided some much needed D. Has Jeffcoat done anything in his career besides get penalties yet?
The tackles were much better as a unit
I really was encouraged by their progress – particularly Dorsey. But then again, who did we stop – DiLuigi? Still not sure.
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by beast in bama on Sep 11, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
I thought after the offsides penalty nearly let BYU get points before halftime that they should have buried him on the bench for the rest of the game. He looked like a beast early last year, but since he got hurt, he seems to do nothing more than draw yellow flags. If he can’t play smart, he needs to sit down. Those drive sustaining penalties were like OU 2010.
I can’t shake the fact that this team still looks a lot like last year. It all looks like smoke ans mirrors to me.
by amarillotxhornfan on Sep 11, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so impressed
I give this team all due credit for battling and winning a game they definitely would have lost last year. I don’t know how many times I almost wrote them off, which until last year, would have been unheard of. I loved the heart they showed tonight, BUT
1. The defense isn’t as good as a lot of you seem to think. BYU helped out big time by going into a shell. The ESPN2 commentators talked often about how Doman (BYU OC) beat himself up for bad playing calling against Ole Miss. He did it again tonight
The really good offenses we face in Big XII play are going to rip that defense apart. We have ZERO pass rush and their WR were finding big holes. The two INTs weren’t great plays, one was a misread and one was on overthrow when they had no choice but to go deep. Old BYU would have thrown for 400 yards tonight.
2. Unless Ash morphs into VY, this offense better find more plays than offshoots of the Zone/Read, because BYU was starting to figure that out and OU will stuff it all day long with much better athletes.
3. It doesn’t say much to me that the coaches seem to be afraid to let McCoy/Ash throw the ball. Ash had two easy throws and then airmailed one and that was it for him. McCoy has nice touch and accuracy and seems to be the better QB right now. I agree that he seems to have the intangibles and leadership to win the job. He doesn’t get picked off because he makes the right decision and that gives him some leeway with his lesser arm.
4. The Booing is totally valid. Mack and GG were on the verge of totally losing that crowd last night. Everyone in the stands was clearly thinking that it was 2010 all over again. After we watched GG play every snap in dismay outings last year, we had to SEE Mack pull the trigger. Had he not done it when he did, there may have been a mass exodus at halftime. If that had happened, the team may have folded like they did last year.
Secondly, they charge you out the @$$ to enter the game, for the food, drinks, parking, hats, shirts etc. They charge start their own network so they can charge you extra to watch the game (IF you are one of the lucky 16 people in the world to get Longhorn Network). They run off our greatest rival and maybe both with their greed and arrogance and showed just how little they care about their fans last week when they shut millions of us out from watching the Rice game, and you say we CAN’T BOO when they put a stink bomb product on the field like that?
So what, we should applaud the kid for his effort when everyone and their dog saw this coming the day they named him starter? I’m sure he’s a good kid and I feel that a lot of what happened to him is the fault of others for making him out to be great before we really saw what he could do, but he just wasn’t getting it done and the fans pay out the nose for the right to voice their displeasure. 12-34, 21-28, 19-30, 16-33, 17-24. Anybody go to those games last year in person? Did UT offer any of you a refund for those “performances”? And you say it’s immature to boo? I guess you’re supposed to bend over and smile?
I doubt that it had any bearing, but it should have. Because the crowd was ready to turn and it would have been disaster if they had.
by amarillotxhornfan on Sep 11, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes.
They run off our greatest rival and maybe both with their greed and arrogance and showed just how little they care about their fans last week when they shut millions of us out from watching the Rice game, and you say we CAN’T BOO when they put a stink bomb product on the field like that?
Yes.
So what, we should applaud the kid for his effort when everyone and their dog saw this coming the day they named him starter?
Yes.
he just wasn’t getting it done and the fans pay out the nose for the right to voice their displeasure. 12-34, 21-28, 19-30, 16-33, 17-24. Anybody go to those games last year in person? Did UT offer any of you a refund for those "performances"? And you say it’s immature to boo? I guess you’re supposed to bend over and smile?
Yes.
I’m sorry you can’t see past your own cult of personality, but your perspective is extremely immature. There’s many ways to express yourself regarding the issues you listed, for example, not buying overpriced things or just deciding that maybe you should support a group of 18 year old kids who are sacrificing their bodies and possibly futures for your entertainment no matter what.
The fact that you try and defend your actions because you dropped a few hundred bucks to get into the stadium shows just how little vision you actually have about your actions and their results. Not only is booing some kid’s performance ineffective, it’s short sighted and rude.
by notsofst on Sep 11, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
+1 Thank You
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
Em, feel bad for
your team especially, the way they’ve lost to Wolverines. The D can’t hold the last second play and what a blow to their psyche with the 0-2 start the season. Hope they can forget this lost and dust themselves up to move on. I assume you did’t get too drunk last night, sizzy ;)
top punching bag maybe...
I think Baylor or perhaps Washington St. or Arizona can fill this role (hi Pac-16!)
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by dukeoforange on Sep 11, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
This is pretty much when I've booed while watching my beloved horns:
1. For about 5 straight years of 1st down completions for 1-2 yard losses.
2. Playing Chris Simms over Major Applewhite
3. The mention of GDGD, anytime last year.
Now, can you anti-booers with a straight face, say these weren’t warranted? Please, tell me how that’s immature, versus, the dude who told everyone to fuck off?
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the idea of starting Case in our base packages and
bringing in Gilbert as his sub if Case falters.
I think Gilbert is the kind of guy who will thrive if he sees Case struggling and he starts to think “hey I can’t possibly do any worse than Case.” Now I don’t think this is the best mindset for an athlete to have, but I think it’s the way GG is hard wired.
One more thing…I think Harsin can use his 3 QB system to his advantage in the sense that all the QBs are expendable. I don’t mean to be insensitive about this, but basically all 3 QBs can start running the option and other QB running plays without much concern for injury since there isn’t much drop off from one player to another.
I think this manifests itself mainly in letting GG run some of the plays that Ash usually runs but letting GG take some of those hits. GG is a decent runner and this will keep him engaged and interested in helping the team.
Had the same thoughts regarding 3 QBs
There’s no one to protect now.
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by beast in bama on Sep 11, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Punting
Is anyone else a bit concerned with Tucker’s punts? I understand the rugby kick, but he more or less just kicks a line drive tot he return man. This led to a huge return and it’s dangerous because your coverage can’t get down field. Is there really no other option?
Well, I guess it is the cumulative of punts
When looking at the stats, the punting was about even. But we do have some issues in the punt game.
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Frankly,
I’m worried about our sp teams play in general. We seem to be starting farther back and letting them get better field position fairly consistently. Where we’re lucky to be past the 20, they’re unlucky if they haven’t gotten past the 25, normally reaching the 30 or more.
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Mack on Camera...Fake for LHN?
So is Mack putting on this superduper happy face for the LHN cams? He says this is the happiest he’s ever been on the sidelines. Just wondering what you all think.
I think he's happy
but I thought it was hyperbole when the media was implying that he thought this was the “best” win of his career.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
I think Mack's always been like that on camera
Regardless of the situation.
Mack is a politician. Mack is a PR mastermind. Mack is a salesman. Mack is a CEO. Mack is a football coach. Mack is Mack. Anything else is media hyperbole.
I’m almost as sick of the relentless droning of the “Mack went into a depression after the BCS loss to Alabama and death of his mother” story as I was of “they’re roommates.” Who wouldn’t be depressed after a few months like that? He’s human. He had a dip. We all would under similar circumstances. Is he more energized now? Maybe. Does it matter to anyone outside of the Longhorn locker room? No.
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by beast in bama on Sep 11, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Kudos to mack
For realizing that changes were needed and doing it in game. This was what was missing all too often last year.
by iamjackburton on Sep 11, 2011 12:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
So who made the decision to bench Gilbert?
Was it Mack or HarsinWhite? I have an idea Mack finally let his offensive coordinators put their guys in.
I’ll use a basketball analogy for GG. When the game is on the line, most guys are passers and fewer guys are shooters. Passers don’t want the pressure of losing the game, while the shooters focus on wanting the glory of winning the game. Simply put, GG is a passer.
I’m excited for our future. We return 16 starters next year and 14 of the 22 starting this year will be back in 2013. Future looks bright. Hope we have a good replacement for Justin Tucker, he’s been solid the past two seasons.
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William Russ?
What’s happening with this guy? I thought he was supposed to be a solid 4-year starter. We were told that Mack doesn’t usually burn scholarships on kickers, but this guy was worth it? Am I remembering correctly? I know he redshirted last year….
I was wondering the same thing
I thought Russ would be doing all the kickoffs by this point with Tucker doing the field goals… what’s the deal?
GG
The team does not react well to GG. They just do not have the fire when he is in the game. That is the mark of a leader IMO. And a qb has to be a leader. As far as McCoy goes, I met Randy McEachern when he was inducted into the Longhorn Hall of Honor and I towered over him and he frankly looked like a former water boy. Intangibles can take you a long way in CFB. Doesn’t have a strong arm, he can find a way to overcome it. All I know is I like the way he looked in the huddle and the way his teammates react to him. I like Ash, too. From what was said about him by teammates during preseason practice, it sounds like he has respect too. Mack has played 2 qb systems before. Once at UNC successfully and then of course the debacle with Chris Simms at UT. I think it’s going to be fun watching this play out while we are competitive. Next week is huge to see how this young team reacts on the road.
Time for a little conspiracy theory
I may be way off here, but am I the only one that thinks Mack and Harsin had some sort of a deal going the last 2 weeks on which players get time? Specifically, it looked to me like the same players would start the game each week (loyalty?) and if they haven’t performed by halftime Harsin (or Applewhite) would bring in the players they wanted to get the job done at the half. Both weeks we started out with GG and Fozzy, and ended up with #2 or #3, and Brown. Leaving GG aside, I get the feeling that Mack really wants Fozzy to be “the guy” but HarsinWhite sees Brown in that role and Fozzy as more of a receiver threat.
It really looks like 2 different games if you look at the first half and second half – both weeks. I do think we have the right people this year – both coaches and players – and will be very special late this year/next year. It will take time. I just can’t shake the feeling that we are trying to keep players in the mix too long before moving to things that will work. If we do this during OU week we will have a much bigger hole to climb out of at halftime.
FWIW I think Fozzy will be a big part of the offense this year and will do a great job. I just believe he should get the ball more as a receiver than trying to run up the middle. Brown can do the middle stuff, and as the line improves he will get even more scary.
One last thing. Last night was the first time in over a year that I wasn’t worried about what would happen after halftime. I never doubted that we would come back. That was nice – I missed that last year. I can’t explain why I felt that, other than to say the whole team felt like it was operating on all cylinders. Oh – and Shipley was the gas additive stuff that gets more miles per gallon for us when he is put in.
I believe the coaches see that Brown is better
And that he will be starting a few games from now, if not next week. I lean towards the former (not starting this week), but it’s a much different situation from a lot of positions (especially QB) that don’t rotate as much.
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Whats the difference between
Booing at the game and posting bad remarks on the internet? Both show displeasure in the situation. How is it classless to boo bad plays/bad decisions by our favorite team, but its ok to boo the refs for bad calls or the opposing team? That seems kinda hypocritical. Booing doesnt make you less of a fan. And who cares what other fans think of us. Texas is already grouped in with some of the most hated teams now-a-days anyway. Im a Texas fan, but Im not going to just clap and smile when the team makes bad decisions. Every team has been booed by their own fans at some point in time.
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by fanoflosingteams on Sep 11, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
Its the cult of sunshine pumpers
i agree with you. its a cult like thought process. I don’t know how you can boo the refs and that’s ok, but not bad coaching decisions.
Plus, look at their actual remarks. Most just give the “your immature” if you do response.
by Matagordahorn on Sep 11, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Look
I have no problem with anyone booing the refs, nor did I have any problem with anyone booing the coaching staff last year for their performance.
The boos last night came at the first mistake Gilbert made, and it was directed at him, not at Mack Brown. The coaches’ decision to give him a shot this year was absolutely justified, and though I could understand booing them if they refused to make a change well into the season, this was the first quarter of the second game, following a game in which Gilbert was pretty decent — not good, but not all bad, either.
In my view, booing him on his first sign of trouble was crappy of those who did it. Feel free to disagree, but spare me the over-generalizations about some kind of sunshine pumping cult.
75-37-5. Now GTFO.
by Peter Bean on Sep 11, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, saying it was the first sign of trouble is expecting people to forget what happened last year.
I think fans were booing because they were watching the K State game again and it was starting to look like they’d have to watch Gilbert through 6 picks.
I don't think giving him the shot this year was even justified.
He shouldn’t have been the starter all the way through the year anyway, especially after KSU last year.
How are you supposed to specifically boo the coaching staff for their performance? Show up to the press conferences and boo when they try to talk?
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In An Age Where Fame and Money is the Only Thing That's Celebrated and Rewarded...
I have a hard time being real concerned about the booing that GG endured. This is a kid who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth and was born with a rocket for an arm. GG will be just fine regardless of how his football career pans out (or not) because of who he was born to. Not a bad gig if you can get it. Life for GG since he began playing football in HS: Money = Check, want for nothing; Women = Check, as many hot ho’s as he wants at a time or in a line; Job Prospects = Check, if Chance Mock can play his minor role at UT into a business, anyone can, ESPECIALLY the son of a former NFL player; How many of you would willingly endure being booed by 100k+ people for those perks?
Throw in that within a few years this kid could still end up on an NFL team, has a chance to make millions of dollars, live in a million-dollar mansion filled with hundred-thousand dollar cars, travel the world as we can only dream of – all BEFORE he’s 25 years old?!?! Cry me a river.
Layer on that the fact that football at UT isn’t as pure as it once was and we fondly remember it for, for the tradition, team spirit and doing right by alumni and current students, the very notions are merely marketing UT (and most big Div 1 teams) cleverly takes advantage of. It’s about the almighty greenback, we’re just tools to be charged exorbitant ticket prices for the privilege to see, denied television viewership of (LHN?) and subjected to incessant advertising sponsor messaging from. While I still love it more than the NFL, the direction it’s going is undeniably on the same trajectory. THEY’VE made it a professional sports environment, and kids coming here know it, the limelight is where they have the best chance to make it to the big time!
In an era where teenagers voluntarily demean themselves on television to the lowest possible level in order to gain the fame and notoriety that is celebrated in pop culture – in hopes of cashing in for being the biggest train wreck on display; in an era where sports figures and celebrities use their fame to advocate for whatever cause they wish to advance without being scrutinized for their uninformed ignorance; in an era where the “have’s” unscrupulously prey upon the emotions of the “have not’s” who’s attentions and concerns (please don’t boo me, I’m SUPPOSED to be better than you) enrich them; in this era the notion of being classy and not booing seems….so….quaint!
If you’re gonna play on the biggest of stages at this level of sport, chasing a dream that provides you with comforts beyond all who cheer you from the stands will ever know – and you DON’T perform well, you’d better be prepared to deal with the verbal disapproval that comes with failure. As it should, high reward comes with high risks, otherwise there’d be no risk takers out there; why chance losing something dear to you (GG’s pride) unless something more desirable is on the horizon and within your grasp?
We’re a nation that celebrates risk takers who succeed, not those who fail. And we’re a forgiving nation, that loves the stories of redemption, where a fall from grace can rise as a phoenix again. If GG transfers and becomes a wonderful NFL QB, if, God forbid, both McCoy and Ash are physically unable to take to the field later in the season and GG comes from the far end of the bench to lead UT to victory EVERY single GG critic (including myself) will applaud him for having the strength of character to persevere and secure his redemption. We strive for greatness in our nation; we strive for greatness on the 40 Acres. Neither is a laboratory for moral victories in the face of failure. Winners win, losers make excuses. While I may feel sorry for losers who gutted it out but lost, I don’t celebrate or have sympathy for them when they’re leading something I believe in. I believe in UT football (among many things).
GG had more than enough opportunity handed to him on a silver platter…and failed. He heard from UT fans what society thinks of failure. While I again maintain that the boos were intended for MB as a result of the decision he made to start him, to keep him in last year’s KSU game, all of it, the awful feeling it must have been for him will either challenge him to improve to where he thinks he’s capable of or he’ll fold like a wet paper bag into a clump of mush. It’s up to him from here on out, and I hope for his sake his parents gave him the tools to deal with adversity like this and it will help strengthen his inner character and determination to be the best he can be at anything he endeavors to do in the future.
That said, a new era is here with new leadership at the helm. I love the determination they finally showed for the first time since Colt infused them with it. Hook’em Horns!
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 12, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The difference, apparently
is that one option allows a given fan the opportunity to synthesize an illusory moral high ground from which he maintains a fruitful alliance with the process of self-promotion while escalating his own self-esteem and allowing him to maintain a certain cultural credibility. The other, it would seem, just makes him a dick.
And P.S., try not to alert people to their own hypocrisies, they are ever so ill-equipped to handle it.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 11, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You might be
The most pretentious person I’ve ever encountered, lol.
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On this blog, the best of us can express our frustration and dissatisfaction with the play, coaching and performance of the athletes without the personal attacks and name-calling (see any article by PB).
On the other hand, there are many, especially during the game that show their immaturity and lack of moral compass in a rush of emotions by lashing out with a series of verbal and personal attacks on young men. I expect that most of these remarks come from 18 – 21 year olds with bully-like tendencies or just drunken frat boys. The “booing” and ad hominem attacks are a choice – as you mature and get some perspective I hope you learn to choose better.
Simple answer?
One negatively affects the play and confidence of our players. The other they probably never read.
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You don't think the players know what people are saying about them online?
I’m not so sure. I doubt they read this site – but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone they know does.
I think they hear whispers
I don’t think they read the stuff themselves, I don’t think that impacts them as much as hearing it directly, and I don’t think it affects them as much since it isn’t during the game itself.
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I think it would affect them more outside of the game - because they have time to think about it.
If they’re thinking about the crowd’s fealings during the game, they’re probably not thick skinned enough to play QB at this level.
by Texas Wahoo on Sep 11, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely disagree
But whatever, it’s not a big deal.
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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 11, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
good write up
the new qb battle should be fun to see play out, but i hope we go into the OU game with a clear cut starter. IMO ash will get the job by the iowa state game.
couldn’t agree with you more about the booing. real fans dont boo their own team.
Game reflections
I was at the game and after sitting though the frustration of last year, was very interested to see if Mack would do what he promised (No one has earned a permanent position on this team!). The second half changes (defense adjustments, QB play, play-makers making plays, etc.) was something I have not seen at Texas since 2009 and was refreshing. Even compared with all of the blowout wins we had in 2006, 2009 and 2009, this win was as satisfying to me as any win in some time.
Excited about the future!
Thanks for the rightup PB, great as usual. I had the game recorded so I was able to take my time, rewind at certain points & have a couple of good looks at the things that looked interesting. I agree with most of your points, M. Brown, Hicks, Diggs, Dorsey, & most of the young’uns that saw action last night. It was really wild watching the underclassmen leading the way, but gives me great hope for our return to prominence, maybe as soon as next season if we can keep them from leaving early for the pros. Speaking of the young’uns it looked to me that the only ones that weren’t giving their all might have been in the receiving group, of course with the exception of Shipley, who plays his but off any time he’s on the field. To be more specific it looks like some don’t want to block. To me it didn’t look like they didn’t know how, just more like poor effort. And for my weekly shot at B. Gideon, if you get a chance look at the play right before the half. The ball was thrown to BYU’s tightend for what should have been a nominal gain, but as usual Gideon takes a bad angle & then lays down and swipes at the guys ankles as he runs by him. And I thought he was known for bringing the wood at every chance. I swear I laughed outloud, but only because I was watching a replay and knew we held on ‘till the half. Looking forward to the more individual breakdown you refered to when you have the time. Thanks and Hook’Em
One last booing comment
I’m rather surprised it bothers so many fans. I do hate that. This is all for fun, and I’d hate to think I caused someone’s Saturday to be diminished.
That said, some of the anti-boo responses have seemed to assume that we as fans are actual members of the team. Discussions of sportsmanship, what would happen if they were booed in the locker room, that’s crazy talk. I love the horns, but I am not a player, coach, or trainer. If I were, I of course wouldn’t boo any of the players in the locker room (I do value self preservation).
I don’t boo for fun, I boo for anger at coaching decisions. I CARE about the team, that’s why I don’t “not buy the product as protest” or email the coach.
I wanted a change at QB, Mack has a history of taking forever to make changes. That is all.
I don’t think questioning the team loyalty of a “booer” is mature, I might argue the act of “being a clown” by booing shows more loyalty to the team.
As far as coddling the players, I’m against that and think you sell them short as far as toughness is concerned.

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