Marquise Goodwin's Huge Block: Illegal Or Not?
From the mothership, well worth a look if only for the animated .gif of Goodwin blowing up the UCLA defender.
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It looks as if Goodwin went for the guy, but didn’t keep his head up/eyes on the player and couldn’t see what he was about to hit. He was rightly flagged, but he is a track guy and a receiver. I don’t believe the hit was malicious or intentional.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 17, 2011 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
No malicious intent at all, but it looked like a clear penalty the way it’s called nowadays
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 17, 2011 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree.
it looked like a clear penalty the way it’s called nowadays
In the freezeframe that LonghornScott posted, it appears he was going for the numbers with his shoulder pads and the back of his helmet caught the bottom of the UCLA player’s facemask as the UCLA player started to crouch.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
If a helmet comes off, the ref is going to call it. They are trying to protect players, but football is a brutal, fast game. Players can’t stop mid tackle to adjust, and it is just stupid to expect them to.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree they should do what they can to protect the players.
However, I think the onus needs to be placed more on players wearing their helmets properly. No way that helmet flies off like it did if it’s properly fitted and strapped on. It might have come off, but it doesn’t shoot off like it did. Hell, maybe it’s the equipment managers fault for not getting the kid a helmet that fits properly.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I watched the clip and i can’t tell that his helmet isn’t on properly. Maybe you see something I don’t.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to see.
I’m just basing my conclusion, which I concede could be wrong, on personal experience in taking hits, granted they were in Junior High, and the velocity with which the helmet flew off. Then again, it could have been a champagne cork effect where the snaps resisted the force that Goodwin’s helmet applied until the static friction of the snaps was suddenly overwhelmed.
The main point, though, is that Goodwin clearly didn’t aim high and the helmet coming off was incidental. I just hate that the way it all played out made Goodwin look vicious when we all know he is a good kid. Maybe I’m feeling too protective of Goodwin because he’s on my team.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I don’t disagree. He is a track guy for gripes sake and a god kid. But the way the rule is written, the ref was going to call it. I doubt the coaching staff complained to Goodwin.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
From the pic LonghornScott posted,
it looks like the UCLA player had both straps snapped, so it might be that the bottom strap wasn’t tight enough or the player has no chin. The third possibility is that I’m full of crap and don’t know what I’m talking about, but I won’t admit it until I’m proved wrong. :-)
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Compared to Beergut, you are the model of an intelligent and thoughtful commenter.
That was meant as a compliment, HT.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw shucks.
I wasn’t fishing for a compliment, but I’ll take it. It means a lot coming from you. Thanks, Dime.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
If the helmet stays on,
I don’t know that he’s flagged. Helmets are flying off way too much at all levels of football these days. Maybe somebody needs to take a look at why that is.
I've noticed that a lot, also
I think if a player doesn’t fully strap their chinstrap and their helmet flies off as a result of any hit, the player should be penalized as if they voluntarily took their helmet off. I believe it’s a 15 yard unsportsmanlike?
Didn't see your post before I posted mine above,
but looks like we think alike on this issue. I took some licks to the chin when I played and I never lost my helmet. Players are just getting way too lazy with strapping on their helmets.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
It seems to be the "cool" thing to do now days
I remember seeing Vince do it a few times (if not often) and I just cringed because I knew what could happen with it not fully strapped.
I can’t believe coaches don’t enforce proper strapping more diligently.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I think the coaches have enough to worry about w/out having to supervise ...
… adult men willingly leaving themselves at risk by not strapping up. Michael Irvin (if I recall correctly) always had an odd habit of leaving one of his straps unbuckled on every camera shot I ever saw during games. His helmet never popped off, though. Prolly cuz he never took hard hits to his noggin.
This UCLA kid looked to have a clean-shaven head but, on almost every time I see a helmet pop off on a hit, the player has serious dread-locks. Seems like Ricky never had a problem w/ a well-fitting helmet but most of the guys w/ dreads seem to have a helmet on that is about 3 sizes too big – just to accommodate their bouffant. Real smart.
I see your point on the coaches,
but I maintain that a lot of the players are still “kids” even though most are legally considered adults. I still think if not the coach, then perhaps the equipment manager or SOMEONE should step in and make sure a) the helmet fits and b) the kids are wearing them properly.
Interesting point about the players with dreadlocks. I hadn’t noticed that.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
You are right.
They are, technically, adults but I usually call & consider ‘em “kids”, just like you do. I just think they need to maintain some responsibility about safety trumping “cool” ways to wear one’s uni.
I guess, instead of the coaches being responsible for helmet-wear, it’s probably more attributable to the Trainers & Equipment personnel to supervise this. We agree on that.
Funny thing is the first comment is from someone with AM in their name...
and he seems to think that Goodwin won’t be suspended because Texas players get preferential treatment. Nice.
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
As with most aggys
he’s also a guud spleler …
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by HalfmileHorn on Sep 17, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
it was clean
He didn’t lead with the crown of the helmet. Pretty basic guy didn’t see it coming hit. Glad the player is OK, but I didn’t see any head hunting in that hit. I think the high hit gets way too much attention. It is a violent game. I hate the rule. I would make a rugby style rule. Not applicable to this hit, but to the defense. A player must attempt to wrap to make a legal tackle. Sounds silly, but try wrapping up with your head down.
by codaxx on Sep 17, 2011 9:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That was my first thought, too, but if you click on his name.
AM stood for anomolous something or other, not A&M. His only team listed is Kansas City Chiefs. Certainly sounds like an Aggie comment, though.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Clean Hit
That’s why ABC did a cover-up. Their slow-mo replays are working tonight – no reason not to examine it in slow-mo during today’s game. Media bias & announcers helped to cover it up.
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I played receiver and delivered a few blocks
like that (not explosive like goodwins, but peeling back to pick off a pursuer). it was really fun, but I’m sure Marquis was bitter sweet with the penalty and all.
Oh yeah, you're the sneaky bastard that I didn't see coming!
While at strong safety in college, I took a crackback hit exactly like that in practice from a receiver who was actually a good buddy of mine. Knocked-out cold, I woke up a few seconds later flat on my back w/ my buddy checking to see if I was still alive. I quickly learned to keep my head on a swivel when pursuing sweeps from the back side of the play. I know DBs beat WRs to death during the game so they really enjoy the sweet payback with a “kill-shot” like that. It’s a violent game but as long as hits are made properly, w/ good form, nobody gets seriously hurt.
Clean Hit. Two points:
1. When you carry your momentum to deliver a hit and the victim cringes you cannot stop in mid-air to adjust your path.
2. When you hit someone in the chest area and the momentum causes their head to come forward and makes contact with your helmet, that is not a helmet-to-helmet target. My two cents…
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by BurntOrangeVeins on Sep 17, 2011 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
it reminds me
of the block quan cosby threw against OU a few years ago (2008?).
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 17, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
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by burrito on Sep 18, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
Difference: Lendy Holmes knew how to strap on a helmet properly. UCLA players are aloof to proper helmet usage as with all other things.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Good reference. I thought of it right after I saw the UCLA hit.
That has always been my favorite de-cleater and one of the most violent I’d seen but I’d have to say that, penalty or no penalty, Goodwin’s shot was much more violent. But I really cringed even more when I saw that FSU WR get sandwiched & knocked cold at the goalline by the sooners. Anyone have a gif of that? Very scary. Glad he’s okay.
I agree
I think it was just bad luck on the part of the UCLA player. Marquis didn’t crouch and dig in for the hit, he just hit the guy and it looked to me like he hit with his forearms first at about mid-pad level. That’s the type of play that deserves a second look, including all flagrant fouls, to make certain they are indeed flagrant
by Rodney Burgess on Sep 17, 2011 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think I can defend it based on the way the rule reads today.
But that is a clean football hit. Against the rules, but a clean hit.
To me it was the leaving the feet follow through.
It looks like it went shoulder to shoulder and his helmet got under the UCLA player’s chin.
Two things will never change...Jesus loves us and UT is awesome.
feet?
What’s with the feet? Since when do you have to have your feet on the floor?
by codaxx on Sep 17, 2011 10:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
leaving your feet
I have never heard of a launching rule.. Leaving your feet only does one thing, lessen your power. Looks cooler, but you hit harder with feet on the ground
by codaxx on Sep 18, 2011 7:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Clean
I was sitting right there and it WAS a clean hit just eye popping that’s why the incorrect flag jumped out. I loved it as it sent a message to UCLA…. “I’m not the one”!!!
by French-Horn on Sep 18, 2011 1:01 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He's clearly not leading with his helmet
I’m not exactly sure how the rules read, though, and I can see some rationale as to why that kind of contact would be deemed unnecessary.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 18, 2011 1:02 AM CDT reply actions
i heard Goodwin
said after the hit “welcome to the olympics beeyatch”
shoulder to chest. clearly legal. thought so at the time.
I also thought we forced a fumble by the qb in the first half, not an incomplete pass.
See ya later, alligator.
Yeah, football is too rough.
NCAA should make tackling illegal and replace it with flags, you know, like the kind you played in intramural football.
Hook Em Horns!
This ain't intramurals!
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by HornPossessed on Sep 18, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
This is obviously open to interpretation. As we’ve seen here many people think that it was clean hit, others think that he lead with his helmet. But, regardless of that facet, the reality is that the flag was going to be thrown after the helmet flew off because of all the rhetoric these days about head injury. Whether you’re on the side of “player safety” or the side of “this is the embodiment of the pansification of football,” it’s just the world we live in. That flag gets thrown every time.
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Agree with everyone
who said the flag was influenced because the helmet came off. The new rule this year states a player cannot be “cut” (ie. blocked below the waist) downfield. With the existing helmet-to-helmet rule, that really makes for a very narrow target area. Football is a violent game and this play illustrates the point. Might as well give the DB a trophy and pat his head for taking the hit. Seeing it live and in color, and now having the opportunity to study the replay, in know way shape or form was this a personal foul. I guess they are wanting a blocker to “screen” and get the hell run over. We are slowly but surely seeing the wussification of the game and it pisses me off. And as I stated on the celebration thread last night, to the old UCLA alum who disagreed with my BS outburst, you can kiss my azz.
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The way the rule is written (I don’t agree with it, but it is what it is), the ref had to make the call.
Watch the replay of the pass. That was a tough call.
Overall, it was just a great day. I love the potential of this team.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
TXStampede, you sound angry these days.
I like it.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Has any one heard any updates on the FSU player that took that nasty sandwich hit last night.
I couldn’t hear the announcers because I had to mute when my wife went to bed, but the decorticate posturing the player demonstrated is never a good sign.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
For those unfamiliar...
Decorticate postureURL of this page: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003300.htm
.Decorticate posture is an abnormal posturing in which a person is stiff with bent arms, clenched fists, and legs held out straight. The arms are bent in toward the body and the wrists and fingers are bent and held on the chest.
This type of posturing is a sign of severe damage in the brain. People who have this condition should get medical attention right away.
From MedlinePlus.
Likely just a sign of being knocked cold, but often ominous for more longterm damage.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
He was walking on the sidelines later in the game
He was just knocked out cold and they couldn’t communicate. The neck protection was because they weren’t able to communicate with him at the time and were taking every precaution. I’d guess he’s out for a week or two, but he should be fine.
That's good news.
Just seeing his posturing scared the $#it out of me for the kid. I don’t think the OU players had any malicious intent, but damn that was a vicious blow.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
He was walking on the sideline just a little while later on.
And he also was able to raise his hand up to the crowd when they were carting him off on the stretcher. That was the relief sign to me that he wasn’t going to have paralysis. Seems like he just got knocked cold.
Obviously not a penalty if you get to watch the replay
No excuse for the ref to call something a penalty just because somebody’s helmet came off. He has a decision on his hands in the real-time scenario, but if it’s something that did’t actually happen you can’t just assume and throw the flag. That’s terrible reffing and the same kind of shit that NCAAB refs pull when they call fouls on layups before they actually happen. Do not anticipate a penalty or foul…call what you actually see. It’s that simple.
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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 18, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
well said
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
although,
the argument could be made that it’s better to err on the side of excessive caution that risk a life changing injury to a player. it’s a tough issue with valid arguments for both sides.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Well, the risking of the life has already occurred
Since the play already happened. If they want to change the rule (I don’t think they should), then they should change the rule. But that was just not helmet-to-helmet. Stop screwing with the kids, I say, and give them a rule that is more encompassing instead of calling penalties that aren’t consistent with the rule.
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I agree with you.
I had moved on from debating this particular call to the principle in general. I was just stating that as for the principle of being overly cautious and protective, there’s a valid argument there. However, there’s also a valid argument for protecting that which makes the game thrilling and fun to watch.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
In an ideal world, yes...
but the zebra’s will toss the yellow hanky 99 out of a 100 times for that play.
Hook Em Horns!
I wonder when the technology will catch up and they can produce a helmet that is a better protector? The game won’t change, so develop the tech to meet the demand.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Come a long way from these...
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
but I agree.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Easy to say when we sit back and enjoy the game, but when you see something like this, it makes you stop and think. I may not necessarily like the rule, but I understand why they call it.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
With the increasing speed and athleticism of the players in the game,
I think we’re going to see this type of longterm damage reach “epidemic” levels. This is a very good argument for erring on the side of extreme to excessive caution.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
I can certainly see where you're coming from
But the rule is what it is, and as violent hit as it was, it did not violate the rule. Change the rule or don’t throw the flag, IMO. Don’t screw the kids over by trying to make them guess how HARD they’re allowed to hit somebody, instead of HOW they’re supposed to hit somebody.
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