Texas to the Pac-12 Reportedly Gaining Steam
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 18, 2011 3:10 PM CDT
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PrintWith a Texas Board of Regents meeting scheduled for Monrday -- only hours after the Oklahoma Board of Regents will hold their own meeting -- and rumors that the ACC is ready to poach as many as four teams from the Big East, superconferences in college football may only be days away from becoming a reality.
While Texas to the ACC was the rumor du jour last week, that all seemed to change over the weekend with the Pac-12 once again looking like a legitimate option. At issue for Larry Scott and the Pac-12 has been the league's desire for equal revenue sharing and ownership of each school's third-tier rights, exactly the rights that ESPN owns with the Longhorn Network. So what has changed?
Hookem.com reported Sunday morning that sources indicate a compromise may be close ($):
Texas would have to add Pac-12 (soon to be 16) content to the LHN programming. The Longhorns would be able to keep all of their revenue from the network. However, if one-sixteenth of the money the Pac-12 receives from third-tier rights ends up being a larger amount, the schools would divide the revenue evenly and everybody would receive the same amount, the source said.
That's a change from the previous conventional wisdom regarding the Longhorn Network morphing into a regional network shared with Texas Tech -- not an appealing alternative for a Texas administration that appears intent on keeping the network in its current form to the extent possible. This compromise represents such a major step because it solves the problem of equal revenue sharing and allows Texas what it wants in keeping the Longhorn Network essentially a Longhorn-only entity.
The other rumored development is the use of a four-team pod system for the new Pac-16-to-be, with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas Tech in one pod. In the previously mentioned Hookem.com report, sources indicated that the team with the best record from two aligned pods would play the team with the best record from the other two aligned pods for the conference championship game, with conference members playing the teams in their own pod each season and two teams from each of the other three pods.
So, with the Big 12 finally ready to die, is this the best of all possible worlds for the Longhorns? After all, it helps preserve the type of regional rivalries that would die in the ACC, which appears to be heading in a different direction anyway.
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Great news
The pod system is also a compromise.
Good, concise write up. Thanks Wes.
by billfromlaketravis on Sep 18, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
This is what I wanted to happen, if...
the super conferences were to happen. I wanted the academics and the other UT sports to have their opportunities as well. Our culture and everything else on balance is so much better off with PAC-16 in the absence of a Big 12 Conference. None of the other conference options could offer a complete package for all aspects of UT. Hook’em!
by Old Horn on Sep 18, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Outsider looking in, but it makes a lot of sense for UT to have regional foes in whatever conference it is in...
and going to the Pac fits well with culture fit (well I’m assuming here but a lot of UT bloggers have expressed as much), academics, ect. when compared to other options.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
yeah, last summer when I asked about it, that is what a lot of UT bloggers responded with...
that is why I think that both BIG and ACC would not be as good with regard to culture fit especially without the core of teams going with y’all and could hurt recruiting imo—the SEC would have been better in that respect with A&M, Arky and LSU (Baton Rouge is a dividing line between the Old South with the parishes to the East more like Mississippi and the ones to the immediate West getting into Cajun country and then once you get past Lafayette and near Lake Charles and up to Shreveport, things take on a East Texas feel, well Lake Charles for sure; New Orleans is its own world and I love it), but overall, the Pac is the best fit I would think.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
*the SEC would have been better than the BIG and ACC in that respect....
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I don't know, ACC seems better to me
Charlottesville is a small, lower-rent Austin. Blacksburg is not too bad. Boston is AWESOME for a road trip.
- Clemson tailgating. You have not seen better on campus. Trust me.
Tallahassee does suck. But that seems like a great “hey, let’s play in Jacksonville” type situation.
Maryland – proximity to DC is good for recruiting (basketball … Durant e.g… and way underrated for football) and makes for a good roadie plus the biggest Texas Exes chapter outside of Texas.
Atlanta – pretty much the same. Not too sure about the NC schools in terms of roadie value but at least a couple of those have to be good.
The U – Miami, awesome roadie.
Most of those are good or very good schools – hard to argue there are better schools in the country than Duke, UNC, UVA, Maryland, and Wake. The others are far better schools than our current conference mates.
by Erasmus Funderburke on Sep 18, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to sound pety
Even thought it is but have been to tailgating all over the country including Clemson (very fine) but my top 3 are all in the SEC LSU (by far the best), Bama and Ole Miss. Sorry Texas fans. We have along way to go. The after party is the best in Austin.
I am with you on LSU and Ole Miss
but not Bama.
by Erasmus Funderburke on Sep 19, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like this lets us keep the network
Some kind of financial sharing was always, IMO, the most likely compromise. So long as they let us show Hutto-Lampasas games, let’s do it!!!!!
With Pitt and Syracuse going ACC and the ACC upping its exit penalty to $20, I wonder who that leaves the SEC adding to balance Texas A&M’s entry. I’ve assumed for a couple of months that the SEC would grab 1-3 ACC members.
I believe West Virginia is the name being bandied about.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 18, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That Pod system is amazingly simple and awesome.
To be clear, as an example, in 2012 a team in Pod A plays all teams in Pod A and Pod B (7 games), and the same happens for Pods C and D? Then the team with the best record among A/B plays the team with the best record among C/D in the league championship game? Then in 2013, Pod A plays Pod C and in 2014, Pod A plays Pod D?
If so, that’s awesomely simple because you play your regional rivals each year, you play each team in the league once every 3 years, and there’s no unbalanced schedule for deciding who makes the league championship game. The only issue is that 7 league games per year isn’t very many. I’d think the league would want 8 or 9.
now (periodically) tweeting @BZatBON
I guess if Pod A was paired with Pod B in a given season
you’d play the 3 teams in your pod, 4 teams in the pod you’re paired with, and then perhaps 1 team in Pod C and 1 team in Pod D (drawn randomly). Would that work?
by goingforthecorner on Sep 18, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently Trubow messed up in his original report
So Pod A and Pod B would be aligned for one year to determine who would play in the conference championship game, but the schedule would include all the teams in the same pod and then two of the teams in each of the three other pods, which would keep the rotation seeing every other team every two years instead of every three. That’s my understanding at this point, at least, based on Trubow’s most recent tweet, although the other way makes some sense, too. I imagine it’s an aspect that could still be up in the air at this point.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 18, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes sense, though it's less neat and tidy.
Also, I wonder how the old Pac8 members would take to not playing each of the other 7 every year. Oregon probably wants to play USC every year…
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Not Quite . . .
. . . at least as I just read it. A team in Pod A would play the other three teams in Pod A, then two of the four teams in Pods B, C, and D, for a total of 9 games (plus three non-conference games). I guess they’d either do that for two years in a row (home vs. away for the other three pods) or switch which two teams play every year.
Yes. This.
Playing ALL the teams in the two paired pods is not really a pod system at all. That would be nothing more than 2-division system, which is what Texas does not want (i.e. the Pac-Old vs. the Pac-New).
The pod system means you only keep the same three games each year (for us, Tech, Okie, Okie State) plus 2 out of 4 from each of the other three pods and those probably flip flop every two years…
Not necessarily.
The way I laid it out, you would play a different pod each year as well as all the teams in your pod every year. Not the same as two 8-team divisions.
But I do like this too.
now (periodically) tweeting @BZatBON
9 conferences games, not 7
conference members playing the teams in their own pod each season and two teams from each of the other three pods.
3 within your 4-team Pod
2 each from each of 3 other Pods = 6
3+6 = 9 conference games
okay but how the 2 teams from the other 3 pods chosen? randomly?
by goingforthecorner on Sep 18, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
similar to how it's been done in the past with deciding which B12 North teams we play.
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I'm envisioning what the NFL does for its 16-team conferences
Play the other three teams in your pod annually.
Play every team in another pod, rotating on a three-year cycle. The pods which play each other in a particular year are “aligned” for the purposes of determining the CCG participants.
One game per other pod per year for a total of nine games. (These games predetermined, not determined by record as the NFL does it.)
Guarantees Texas would play every other school at least once every slightly-less-than three years rather than just once every four in a two division lineup.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
this is good
So much better than the ACC. Though it is far from perfect. Main reason is it sets up for a really unbalanced schedule. There is a chance we could get USC, OU, and 0regon one year, while OU gets Texas, UCLa, and WSU. It is part of thr beast that is super conferences. At least we get OSU, OU, TTU, and you can bank on Baylor every yr
by codaxx on Sep 18, 2011 5:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what she said.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
Texans...Really?
Get off this board now, F A G!
by Hook Em Horns on Sep 18, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
As an avid UT volleyball fan, if this comes to fruition I will be over the moon. The loss of Nebraska was no big deal for every sport except volleyball and to think we replace home games at Gregory with home matches against USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, & Washington is fantastic.
Does anyone else wonder how easy it’s going to be for the PAC-16 to launch 8 networks? The Big 10 had a devil of a time getting off the ground and ESPN & UT are experiencing the same thing. My mind wonders at the prospect of trying to launch 8 channels and trying to get those in basic tier in 8 different states.
Please let it be.
After this week, I’d much rather be in a conference with UCLA than A&M. This could be a lot of fun. Travelling to the west coast for away games is a dream come true.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Have to admit
watching the UCLA game gave me a bit of PAC-16 arousal. I tried to imagine I was watching a conference game, and it didn’t feel so strange, particularly seeing an entire corner of the Rose Bowl strung out in Burnt Orange. Just felt right. Then I watched part of the UNC-UVa replay and wilted a bit at the possibility.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched it with the same mind set.
I want this so badly. It just makes too much sense for the powers that be not to do it, right?
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
I didn't see the UNC vs UVA game.
How would you characterize it? Two mediocre teams playing in a mediocre setting in a game with no national implications?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Yes, yesterday was a great day at the Rose Bowl
We had at least a quarter if not a third of the crowd. it was remarkable!
Regarding time zones and game start times just start CST games in the afternoon versus evening.
Fewer 11 a.m. kickoffs! Awesome!
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 19, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea, that 52,000 at the Rose Bowl was an impressive #,
they really love their college football in So.CAl.
Meanwhile, at KSU, we have sold out our little 52,000 seat venue twice this year, against Ea. Ky and Kent State.
oh hail the Purple and White
Perhaps a bit off-topic, but...
… say this happens – that is, Big 12 loses four more members (in addition to Texas A&M) – leaving behind five teams. Those five teams would apparently, if only for a few more seasons, retain:
- an automatic BCS bowl bid
- a pretty hefty contract with a network
Might the Big 12 remain as an entity and invite more members (perhaps BYU, a few Texas-based schools, Tulsa, Colorado State, a Louisiana-based team, Memphis)? Why wouldn’t the remaining teams do this?
I haven't been able find the doc where I read this, to be able to prove this,
but I thought there would need to be a minimum of 6 teams left, with at least 5 of those having 4 years in the conference in order to keep it alive.
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WAC got an exception so the B12 would too...
I see the B12 inviting the rest of the BE fb teams and select CUSA/MWC teams to make a 5th BCS conference
that tv money would
disintegrate w.o us, oklahoma, a&m, tech, osu..there’s not one team that has a national draw there
Nope, the contract is voidable once A&M leaves.
It requires 10 of the original 12 teams to still be in the conference. If it goes to 9, Fox Sports can void it at will.
it is worth keeping together
Just for the exit fees. TAMU, TTU, OU, OSU, and Texas are leaving. That is worth probably 100mm.
by codaxx on Sep 18, 2011 5:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Pac 12 is playing its CCG at the school with the best record
Would the Pac 16 do the same?
If so, CCG at DKRTMS? How cool would that be?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wicked awesome, brah!
(Just practicing my left coast lingo for trips to So-Cal).
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
I didn't realize Boston was on the left coast
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by Cory Williams on Sep 18, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Boston?
Surfer lingo, brah!
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
it was the "wicked" part
New Englanders thrwo it around like a frisbee.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Was unaware.
Guess that’s why I need to practice, brah.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
i laughed
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by Cory Williams on Sep 18, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone
Stop ruining my ignorant stereotype party!
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
It's okay, brah.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 19, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok. After my corrections here it goes.
The Pac-16 is gonna be hella awesome, dude!
Better?
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
better, brah, but I liked your first one
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 19, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, mane.
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
who ju callin' "mane," mane?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 19, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
and "brah" is more of a Hawaii thing
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
The word you are looking for is "hella"
Example: It would be hella awesome.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 18, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This
In norcal it is acceptable to substitute “hella” for “very”.
In socal it is acceptable to substitute “like” for a comma.
“Frisco” is never an acceptable way to refer to the city of San Francisco, let’s just get that one out of the way now.
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
San Fran is ok
Dude, yes, still in heavy rotation. Unless one is speaking with one’s Jamaican or Hawaiian friends, then “brah” is sometimes used. Shortened words like “obvi (ob-vee)” for obviously, “seri (sear-ee)” for seriously, etc. are heard. “Late” for later, as in “Late, dude.” Son has lived in SB (this is how one refers to Santa Barbara) for over 20 years and he speaks the surf talk.
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My head hurts from reading this
Text lingo is what’s making our society stupid(er).
Stop it, damn it.
Do you want to destroy me?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That always seemed like a short term set up
I think they would do something different once they go 16 teams.
by ev on Sep 18, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure
Home field advantage is a great way to minimize the political bitching (see: Nebraska) about whatever neutral site is selected.
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
All PAC-16 CCG games in Vegas
No teams from Nevada, and because…its Vegas baby!
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I was rooting for football independence
w/ ND and UT other sports in the ACC, but now I think the PAC16 w/ pods and a version of the LHN control by ESPN (and not FOX they suck) may be for they best…
I think that was our plan B if the PAC wouldn't accept the LHN
I figured they would compromise eventually, but it seemed like they weren’t going to budge there for a while.
Im a Duck fan, so not familiar witht he source...
but it sounds plausible, since this minimum guarantee is similar to the way SC was convinced to relinquish their third tier rights. However, PAC and Texas have very different definitions of 3rd tier. Don’t know how they reconcile these to be able to offer a guarantee.
If everything works out, seems like the best scenario for everyone.
Will the CA schools be in one pod?
One pod is obviously UT/TT/OU/OSU.
One is UW/WSU/OrSU/UO
But do the CA schools get broken up to spread out road trips to the state?
In other words, Cal/Stan/UU/CU and USC/UCLA/ASU/UA?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hmmm
to be perfectly honest, USC does have more in common with Arizona St. in my eyes than it does with Stanford or Cal. So it isn;t too strange to imagine. Colorado with Berkley isn’t a stretch either.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the bay area schools
already got a special rule to play the LA schools every year, I doubt that would be able to continue if they go to 16, and Cali pod makes the most sense
ASU and UA would get jobbed with this arrangement
Not sure they would go for this
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by Cory Williams on Sep 18, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
But I won't feel jobbed when Texas or OU come to Pullman
Which will probably only be once every 4-6 years… but worth it.
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Plus you get an awesome trip to Austin every once in a while.
Norman, Stillwater and Lubbock? Uh, have fun with that.
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Shut up, Arizona schools!
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Never!
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by Cory Williams on Sep 18, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
by lnghrn53 on Sep 18, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A guaranteed trip to Cali every year (Bay Area or LA)
and a trip to Texas every year still sounds like a pretty good consolation prize
can we shut them up with money?
throw a few money bags out the window in their direction as we speed to the bank in our collective Maserati ?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
But I don’t want to hear another Arizona school or Colorado fan whine about this. 16 teams is straight cash, homey.
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The average per team payout is going to be ridiculous
For both the network TV/ESPN contract and the PAC-12(16) network
I'm thinking the benefits in the long-term are just too good
If Texas and OU join the PAC-16, then this becomes the place to be. We’d have locked down the entire western half of the United States, and considering that region has arguably the most substantial potential for population growth over the next half-century, the value will be tremendous. Those schools will want to be a part of that. If Texas goes East, the balance of power, I think, will still lean inequitably toward the East and Midwest..
Really this is the Pacific Coast’s opportunity to tug some important influence in their direction, and balance out college football’s power.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
plus Larry Scott is about to take over Asia.
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You don't mean....
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Sep 18, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
there is, I believe, a vote somewhere in this process.
Also, for lessons learned via alienating a conference partner whom we all underestimate please see: Baylor V. Everyone, 2011.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is
ASU/UA/CU/UU, then all the Cali school get to stay together, which would also guarantee a came in Cali each year for every team in the conference.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 18, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Listen Ghost, don't get my hopes up
I’ve already begun the painful preparations of hardening and deadening my soul for the eventual myopic money-grab that will be our move the ACC. In fact, I’m already trying to rationalize it as a [smiles through teeth] good thing.
Don’t soften me up for disappointment.
This specific solution makes too much sense
I’m a believer.
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Poooooooooooooor Baylor!
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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 2:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'd guess some kind of mix
of Kansas-Missouri, maybe Baylor, as a kind of western half of the Big East.
hell if the ACC is able to lock down its 16 w/ UConn/Rutger
with a 20 million exit fee the B1G may take Mizzou and Kansas then ND and…..Iowa St (I just laughed at myself)
I am not so sure if...
geography teachers would allow the Big East to have a West Division? Just sayin’..
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Ok.
So if this happens, all of the schools are now going to have to add some form of auto racing to their scholarship “sports.” Then we can call the events in each pod “Pod Racing.” /nerdy star wars reference. :-/
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Glad you're coming with me on this.
There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .
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what this post says is that if the pac makes more money than the lhn then everything get split evenly
but it’s implying that if the lhn makes more money then so be it.
this sounds like a political pipe dream to me.
if that’s y’allz idea of justice, then take it to the acc
It essentially says that we get the 1/16 share, no matter what.
As a concession to get us into the league, if we make more from the LHN, we can keep it. As a concession to accept us, we will put Pac 16 programming on the LHN.
Look, the Pac-X conference has limited geographical options for adding big-time teams. Texas is the big fish and has other options. If 16-team conferences are the way this whole thing is going, then the Pac-X has a decision to make: invite schools that bring in less money for the conference as a whole or bring in the biggest school out there and make a few concessions to get them there.
Your conference doesn’t have as much leverage at Texas does.
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re: leverage
I mean that if the Pac-X is looking to be the Pac-16, we have more leverage. If you’re happy at 12 or 14, then so be it.
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Serious rhetorical question
How much concrete, monetary gain would the PAC-16 see from the introduction of their content to our network. Is it simply promotion of the brand in some generic sense? And who decides what that PAC-16 content is and how much of it is pushed?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Larry Scott is very big on building the brand of the conference
my guess is his concern is mostly that wherever the conference revenues goes doesn’t really bother him, everyone is swimming in money regardless. What does matter is that the network be covered in Pac-16 logos with it made very clear that Texas football would be a subset of Pac-16 football. His concern would be in eliminating potential cracks in the brand.
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
I don't see why that scenario would be upsetting,
especially coming from a fan of a school that essentially has unlimited access to Phil Knight’s considerable fortune. What’s the problem?
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 18, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
All I have to say is, love it!
Also, the idea of West Virginia to the SEC sounds like a perfect fit. I have a feeling Jesco White would feel right at home in the SEC….haha
Big 10 or none
I really don’t care if we are in the same conference as OU. And Odontoceti want to be in a conference with other teams I don’t like. I support all the former SWC teams and never supported OU or NU. SEC is successful cuz they support each other ooc. Why should we be conf partners with teams like OU that we hate and don’t support.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
by Wrangler86 on Sep 18, 2011 2:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
works for me…
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
by UTLawGrad on Sep 18, 2011 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Major rec'age
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
Joe parker
Ignorance is bliss.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Sep 18, 2011 4:06 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
The unofficial BON mascot.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Did we run him off?
I haven’t seen him around here since that first day.
Joe Parker, come back! BON misses you!
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
That ID still logs on to the board
I’m glad we didn’t run him off, but he may be understandably reticent about posting at the moment. It’s hard to live up to the legend of Joe Parker.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He may be reticent
but what he doesn’t realize is that he’d be an instant celebrity if he ever made an appearance. Imagine starting your BON career with the immediate street cred of a 54B. He’s wasting his fame, from my vantage point.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you!
I was afraid to ask what Joe Parker was all about. I hate being the last guy in on the joke. It’s, um, happened before…
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
I hope not
He’s an effing legend around here now
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Question...
So from what i understand, we keep all of our revenue from the LHN and if 1/16 of the Pac-12 Network’s revenue is more than the revenue from LHN, the Pac-12 Network’s revenue is divided evenly. So do we get any of the revenue if the Pac-12 Network is less than the LHN’s?
The way Hookem.com reported it, it isn't entirely clear how it works.
I cannot be true that we keep all of LHN and then get 1/16 of the rest on top of that if the 1/16 is more than LHN. There’s no way that’s correct.
I think the only way that it makes sense is if the LHN revenue is included in the calculation of “Pac-12 revenues”. When it’s added with the rest of the TV revenues, if 1/16 of that total is more than the LHN amount, then we get the 1/16 amount. If the LHN amount is more than 1/16 of the total, then we keep the LHN amount and the other schools get 1/15 of the rest.
So say the LHN revenue for a year is $15m and the rest of the Pac-12 TV revenue is $200m. 1/16 of $215m is $13.44m. So in that case, we would keep our $15m and the rest of the conference would get 1/15 of $200m ($13.33m). Alternatively, say that the LHN revenue is $10m and the rest of the Pac-12 revenue is $200m. 1/16 of $210m is $13.125m so we (and everyone else) would get that amount.
Is there any other way that could work?
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But UT and the PAC have differing version of 3rd tier
For the PAC it includes 1/3 of all football and basketball games as well as Olympic sports. LHN seems more narrow, including 1 football game and numerous basketball games (if I understand it correctly). So who gets the 3 football UT football games not in LHN or 1st and 2nd tier of PAC?
I just don’t see how LHN coexists with the PAC network.
The $ guarantee makes sense though.
It's an issue to be worked out, certainly.
But why do you think that Texas and the LHN would be unwilling to put MORE games on that network? Seems like something they’d be more than happy to do because it would generate more 3rd Tier revenue, which Texas gets to keep (sort of).
Regardles, the 1st/2nd/3rd tier stuff is defined at a conference level. It’s the Big12’s system. If we weren’t in the Big 12, why would we necessarily insist on sticking to that?
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Oh I think they'd be more than willing to add the games
But at a certain point the LHN begins to look like every other PAC regional network. I’m interested to know how LHN would differ.
Also, I assume the $ guarantee would be based on the $11-$15 mil that ESPN was going to pay, since LHN within the PAC network would have access to much more content than as originally structured.
Ultimately, I expect the PAC network to exceed the LHN $ guarantee and everybody ends up on a roughly equal footing.
It might.
And of course we’d be fine with that, as long as we have the ability to grow our network and exceed that. I imagine it will be branded differently as well and we’d be more free to program the network somewhat differently than the other Pac networks.
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I'll be curious to see how the branding and programming works as well...
and admittedly, since the PAC network isn’t even in place yet, I’m having a hard time envisioning how it will look and function.
lol fox does nothing with the pac network
thats the b1g. pac has cable distribution partners but no big production partners so far.
fyi the production for the games on FX has been good so far
About 1/5 of the football games will be on there (split between Fox national telecast, FX, ESPN, ESPN2, Pac network). They did drop about 10 mins of the Oregon/Nevada game, but stuff happens. HD was sharp and high quality, awesome having Gus Johnson call games. You guys just walked into the best tv contract of any of the conferences exposure wise too btw.
not the games...
the other stuff, any reporting shows or extra coverage by Fox is just bad, I know Fox is trying to reform their football coverage when people nearly revolted after they carried the BCS games but still they have a long way to go…from what I’ve seen from the LHN the coverage is top notch its like ESPN Gameday/Sports Center/30 for 30 is covering every aspect of the program…
Mainly worried about the games
since they’ll have a good portion of the Pac stuff. Hopefully some of the production knowledge from the LHN can be used to help out the Pac networks. Heard a lot of fans say it was top notch.
not if its is the only single school network
hearing that Tech would join the OU/OSU network so they could get it carried in DFW and Houston
Interesting
That would be a significant concession on the PAC’s part
Texas' fanbase is probably almost as big as OU/OSU and Tech combined.
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OU/OSU (Stillwater, OKC, Tulsa)
would also be the smallest media markets in the conference…I think….how small is Oregon?
Pullman, Corvallis and Eugene are probably about the same. But I would imagine that Eugene pulls in a lot of Portland.
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From a Media Market Point of View
Oregon and Oregon State pretty much are both considered to share Portland (with an obvious Duck lean), and Washington dominates Seattle, but Washington State also contributes. Spokane has a Cougar lean, but not much. Pullman’s a full two hours from Spokane.
And it could just be until the LHN contract expires...
I know that is not anytime soon but it is something to think about…
Larry Scott made a similar deal with USC and UCLA. he basically guaranteed them x amount of dollars per year (they’re also on TV more so they traditionally got to keep that money themselves). That guarantee doesnt really matter now because of the huge new TV deal.
i’d think this concession is similar and Larry Scott is confident that we will all make more money than the LHN would generate for UT.
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at least until Texas gets to the point where they receive 70% of revenues.
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Current Big XII TV setup
Sorry for my ignorance but does the Big XII – 3 currently share Tier 1 and 2 rights equally and only the Tier 3 is up to the individual school? I need to make sure i have that right before taking on all the Horn haters.
"They're [submissive weaklings] !"
by Ziskey rates the Aggies on Sep 18, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Yes. The Big 12 owns each school’s Tier 1 and 2 rights. Tier 3 belong to the school and they can do whatever they want with them.
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and 1st and 2nd are split
75%ish evenly and 25%ish unevenly based on TV appearances but they have been talk about making them 100% even if the conference was to survive and just give each school control of its third tier (like the SEC does)
thanks Tower, just saw your post
"They're [submissive weaklings] !"
by Ziskey rates the Aggies on Sep 18, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, so all this drama about 1 or 2 games a season that ABC/ESPN and Fox Sports don’t even want? Is the SEC also setup this way?
Anyway, PAC 16 sounds great.
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by Ziskey rates the Aggies on Sep 18, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
CBS gets 1 SEC game
and ESPN has a contract to carry all the rest, the third tier in the SEC is for non rev sports only
Yes
but it turns out if you bundle all those leftover games together in a conference package (BigTen Network, Pac-12 Network), throw in a ton of basketball, and sprinkle on championship non-revenue sports those couple games end up being worth anywhere from $10-20m/year/school.
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i think this is the best possible option...
…im completely for keeping the LHN because there is money going from it to academics…the ACC option was only considered, IMO, because of the LHN stuff. but practically, it was going to be a huge problem in terms of travel budget..
i think having playing members close to home, as many as possible, is a practical and certainly a preferable option.
also, fuck the aggies, but i am completely for keeping the OU rivalry going and being in the same league as them.
i also like the prospect of the pod system. it will result in a more difficult schedule and hence more possibility of a pac-whatever team playing for the NC and hence more money being and hence the possibility of money bleeding into academics more.
by vanterminatorhorn on Sep 18, 2011 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
The ACC schools are closer to Austin than the Pac12 schools.
Only way Pac12 makes more sense than ACC from a purely travel perspective is going with our regional friends. If our regional friends went with us to the ACC, it would be much better, travel-wise.
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right
but the sudden buzz about Syracuse and Pitt seems to indicate Texas would more or less go it alone to the ACC. If that’s the case, then our regional pod in the PAC-16 might actually make for easier travel. It would depend on the year, I suppose.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Pods for football and BB in the Pac-16
regional for everything else?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I'd guess that most sports would go with a 15-game round robin
and maybe a 16th game against the natural rival. Sixteen games is pretty reasonable schedule for most sports. Then again I don’t know which sports would have full representation in the conference.
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Utah is the biggest winner in this entire situation
The combined revenue from the TV/ Pac network deals will probably exceed their AD budget by a decent amount
just wanted to stop by and say good win yesterday
We always appreciate people who mistreat ol Rick
It took all of us working together to fail
Looks like he's from Colorado
they hate Rick up there still too.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, CU. Sorry, not trying to Troll, but I can either read about expansion news
or watch Tebow play wide receiver for the Broncos
It took all of us working together to fail
well I thank UCLA anyways...
and watching the Broncos would be better than watching the Cowgirls right now…God I hate Romo
yea, they dont look so good right now
so it seems like a split as far as what conference to join. Do Texas fans prefer the PAC or the ACC? it seems pretty even although I don’t come here everyday
It took all of us working together to fail
I really should switch my avatar back
but at this point I’m certain I’d jinx the whole deal.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Most Cowboy fans I know defend him to the death
I still don’t get it. If he was a great guy, I could kind of understand, but he wears a backward baseball cap and takes vacuous blondes on trips to Cabo, seems like kind of a douche, or at least not the kind of guy to whom you commit your undying loyalty regardless of onfield performance.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
When he threw 6 picks to the NYG...like 4 years back
I gave up on him, same thing w/ GG @ K St last year
You're so wise...
It’s obvious to me now that the direction you wear your ball cap is an absolute indicator of the value of your personality.
Tossing a couple touchdowns and wining the game in OT with a broken rib means fuck-all.
Kristi Dosh has a BCS alignment game on her site. Knock yourself out.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
her assumptions appear a bit out-dated
It still amazes me how quickly information changes. I know several people who still get most of their sports news from traditional news sources such as ESPN and tangible newspapers. They’ll often say something about the “latest developments,” and I’ll think to myself how old their news is, that the situation has changed 6 times since that story broke, and and how out of date and far behind they seem to be. Then I realize their “news” is really only like 36 hours old.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
So if you're the ACC, WVU> Mizzou?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean SEC, of course
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 4:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mizzou will be next after Texas goes West...and 16 will be?
B1G is having a teleconference today FYI…who would have thought that people would be fighting over Mizzou?
The thought flashed through my mind on mention of a B1G teleconference today ...
… that ND might reconsider membership in B1G with the collapse of the Big East looming to protect their basketball teams. If so, JD might just be interested in another big fish to land as a pair. What better catch than (dare I say it?) …
by BurntOrange&Blue on Sep 18, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No, you shouldn't
Longhorn is not a cultural fit with the B1G.
oh hail the Purple and White
As an alum of both Texas and a B1G institution, I beg to differ
In academic affairs, there is much cross-fertilization between Texas and many B1G schools.
by BurntOrange&Blue on Sep 19, 2011 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No Matthew here ...
I am not nearly tanned enough and I typically flash the traditional hook ’em hand signal, not the trendy reverse hook ’em. Oh wait, you did not necessarily mean that goofy Matthew they keep showing us on the game day broadcasts. But, no, I am not Matt.
by BurntOrange&Blue on Sep 19, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
gets that all important Morgantown media market.
and the SEC’s courting of A&M makes me suspect they have a batshit-insane fetish. West Virginia? Check.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's completely insane that the SEC would do this
Diluting the best product in college sports for A&M, WVU, Mizzou and…Louisville maybe? Who’s the SEC’s fourth team?
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
No way they screw the Ags THAT badly so soon
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
I honestly think...
they along with Lville are dark horse candidates, funny how WVU isn’t a dark horse anymore
Louisville screws Kentucky, but who cares?
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
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Wouldn't THAT be awesome.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 19, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Hulk Hogan
Hogan is the 3rd…I mean 4th man. He has turned his back on NCAA football. Damn You to hell.
Presumably Mizzou can go Big Ten with KU or SEC alone
Interesting to see if Kansas gets picked up by someone
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Missouri is a good school. I hate to think about them in the SEC. What a step down.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's do this!
I’m a Texas alum, yet believe I could live without any further games or communication with those fighting farmers of the texas college of agriculture and mechanics.
As long as we continue to fight our real rivals, ou…let’s do this!
Hook Em Horns!!!
Basketball in PAC 16
I know that basketball isn’t driving realignment but one quick point.
This is not an attractive basketball conference. It would be miles behind the new ACC and the expanded Big 10. And could be behind a re-done Big East if they are able to keep some teams while adding Kansas, K St, Memphis, etc.
The prospect of finishing mens hoops games at midnight or 1 am on the east coast is disappointing.
Best basketball programs in current PAC 12 are UCLA and Arizona. Oregon and Stanford and USC and Az St pop up every few years but are far from marquee names.
--AW--
by awiggo on Sep 18, 2011 5:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah...
Mizzou and Kansas would have been better in bball and marketwise, but fb drives the bus…OSU and Tech were also politically required. Like I said above if Utah was BYU then it’d would have been more acceptable.
Agree it isn't ideal
but there is potential. Our joining adds some intrigue, and Oregon just built that new expensive arena. With time, there’s enough there to make that seed grow.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
also OU and OSU add a little to what's already there for bball,as well
don;t think this is much of a downgrade, really. We take three of the best teams form our conference (Texas, OU, and OSU) and replace Kansas and Missou with UCLA and Arizona. Plus, I think programs like Oregon and Washington have greater long-term potential than Kansas St., and Baylor.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You have more faith than I do
In current Big 12, best programs/teams are clearly Kansas and Texas. Second tier is Missouri, K St, A&M, and Ok St and probably Baylor too.
If you assume what I just did, only two of top seven programs are heading west.
Yeah, we do add UCLA and Arizona. That is solid. Not sold on anyone else though.
But like everyone said, in this crazy game, it football and money and tvs. Basketball is not even in the discussion.
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by awiggo on Sep 18, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
if we’re talking long-term (or history), I view OU as the much better basketball school compared to Baylor, KSt., and A&M.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
THe vast amounts of money everyone's making (plus added TV exposure) could raise the profile of some programs.
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EST
Games ending at 11 on the east is pretty much the same as 1 o’clock for me!
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Maybe I'm missing something here
but if LHN adds PAC -12 content to the programming, doesn’t that make it a PAC-12 regional network and dilute the UT content?
I’m not complaining, this seems like a great deal if it actually happens. Just wanting to clarify.
some content...
they’ll have a national network for most things…plus Mack has already been complaining about the amount of programming he’s being require to do, if the PAC16 takes a show or two away I don’t think you’ll see much complaining…
There would be no complaining from me
As much as I like the in depth coverage, I’d rather Mack spend more time building our team than sitting in front of a camera
they could televise this:
"A&M has had every opportunity over the past 50 years to emerge from Texas' shadow, and failed." - Jean-Jacques Taylor
pretty much
Though there’s no word on TTU content which is what would make it the same as the other regional networks ( that may be what “pac-12” content means ).
The guarantee seems to be that Texas gets the larger of A) LHN revenues or B) 1/16th total Pac-16 Network revenues. There is a similar guarantee for USC and UCLA already in place, but it doesn’t mean anything because the Pac-12 deal already puts them way above the cutoff. It means Texas gets what they want, Pac-12 gets what they want, and both turned out to be the same thing with different labels.
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Sounds like Tech...(from Twitter)
would be packaged with OU/OSU to get them into DFW/Houston, and we may carry a couple of Tech bball/non revenue games if they don’t have room on the other network…
Basketball
Home and home in pod, one game against everyone else. 18 game schedule. Any other feasible format?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 5:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Texas/TT/OU/OK St
CU/Utah/AZ/ASU
WA/WSU/OR/OR St
USC/UCLA/STAN/CAL
Teams play other three in their pods every year, plus two from each other pod in home/away series alternating every two years (like old B12 North cycle), splitting OR, WA, TX, OK, AZ, SoCal, NoCal, Utah/CU teams each cycle so no region misses an appearance every few years. Conference games total 9 each year. Love it!
by RMHorn on Sep 18, 2011 5:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like this one better
http://www.buildingthedam.com/2011/9/18/2434561/pac-16-scheduling-divisions-the-flex-model
Of course, I did write it, so I am biased.
Any reason why this wouldn't start for 2012-13?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 5:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Logistics? Might want to get the networks up and running first?
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networks are coming next august
they’re currently hiring all the key personnel. just hired the ceo for the pac networks.
He was the CEO of the Golf Channel when that started up
Been doing consulting work since then. Sounded like he knew his stuff and thought it was a great opportunity. Included some $$$ estimates, and that was without UT. Good primer on the networks.
Link
Pac Networks should make even more $$$$ with 4 more schools
Far greater basic cable coverage, more/better events end up on the Pac network. Scott is basically saying that before very long the Pac networks will be making each school more than your LHN contract will guarantee or he wouldn’t have agreed to the greater of LHN or 1/16th revenue split.
can't we just tell Baylor we're going for a ride
perhaps to the park, and then in reality we just lead them out to the middle of nowhere and leave them for dead.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Ken Starr going to sue everyone?
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by dimecoverage on Sep 18, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone have any info on this supposed legislation...
that going to make us play A&M every year?
Can you believe how pathetic...
…the Aggies would look if they ran to the Legislature to make us play with them?
Easy solution. This theoretical legislation couldn’t pass until 2013 at the earliest. That gives Texas about 18 months to make contractual agreements to fill up its OOC slate from now until forever.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 5:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
silver lining, if this does happen, we’d only have to schedule 1 good OOC game and 1 scrub, makes things simple for years to come…
WIth the difference in definitions of third tier rights
Might A&M then get stuck playing on the LHN for all those? That would be hilarious and I’d accept playing them just to get to rub their noses in the reason they bolted the conference.
TEXAS FIGHT
Thanksgiving
Assuming we don’t play the Aggies each year as a non-conference game and keep OU in Dallas in October, who do we play on Thanksgiving?
To have a consistent opponent, wouldn’t it have to be Tech? OU and OSU are going to want to preserve their end of season game.
--AW--
by awiggo on Sep 18, 2011 5:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It almost has to be...
…and, in this situation, I’m completely OK with that.
Flip question: who do the Aggies schedule, since the two most logical candidates (Arkansas and LSU) already play each other that weekend.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 5:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
interesting to think that under these circumstances
we’d retain our rivalries with OU and Tech, but A&M would be starting from scratch. Initially they’d have no rival at all. Sure LSU makes the most sense, but at the moment LSU hates Alabama, Ole Miss, and Auburn a whole lot more, and if A&M is no great threat out of the gates, it’ll take a long while for the animosity to fester. Without a rival, how will A&M define themselves?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
But they are aggies.
and if A&M is no great threat out of the gates, it’ll take a long while for the animosity to fester.
Maybe they just keep hating on Baylor for awhile.
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What about rotating
USC, ASU and Oregon for TG? I still like the idea of moving OU to TG better, although I know that idea meets a lotta opposition. But think of it, big game, almost every year, end of the year. Play OSU in the Cotton Bowl in October instead. Or Tech. Also, takes out some Dallas exposure for OU.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Sep 19, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not Notre Dame again?
They play at USC every other Thanksgiving, not like it’s some holy tradition, when the game’s in South Bend it’s played in October.
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Stanford / USC
Someone correct me please but isn’t there something about ND finishing on the west coast with either USC or Stanford each season?
--AW--
That may be right
Still, is that sacred?
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The USC rivalry is sacred
the Stanford rivalry is also a very big deal to ND
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
Stanford Relatively New Rival
Kinda hard to call that one sacred compared to the following ND opponent history:
Opponent – All Time – Last 20 Years – Notes
Navy – 84 – 20 – 84 yrs straight, National Appeal
USC – 82 – 20 – 2nd Longest, Power
Purdue – 82 – 20 – 55 yrs straight, In-State Rival
Michigan St – 74 – 18 – Played 61/ last 63 years
Stanford – 25 – 18 – Regular since 1988
Boston College – 20 – 17 – Regular since 1992, Religious
Michigan – 38 – 16 – Regular since 1978, Power
Pittsburgh – 66 – 14 – Regular since 1931
yes,
doesn’t anyone pay attention to what Em says around here?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the Pac 12 doing now...
…with a CCG? No CCG meant USC could play ND Thanksgiving weekend and UCLA the following weekend. That can’t happen now.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Another good point
Not sure. This would be next year’s problem. This year USC has ND in October and UCLA on Thanksgiving Saturday.
Looks like ND vs. USC is 11/24/12 with the Pac (whatever) championship game the following weekend. So, looks like the Golden Domers got the nod over UCLA for the end of season tilt.
--AW--
In that case, why not USC?
I know, the pods…would be a nice turkey day game though!
I've been fueling my dreams eating greens and beans...
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with pods
If you don’t play a consistent 8 team division (as it is teams will play 5 of the 7 possible opponents), couldn’t there be two teams pods A/B that’re undefeated and only one could make the title game. What’s a potential fair tiebreaker? What if the conference has three undefeated teams in conference play? They need to have the system so that you play all 3 teams in your pod and 4 in another pod plus one from each of the other pods, that’s the only way to ensure division titles are given fairly IMO.
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
If you do the NFL-style scheduling I discussed earlier...
…this wouldn’t be an issue, as you’d have a max two possible undefeated teams if everyone from Pod A plays everyone in B and everyone in C plays D.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 6:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Which is also what you're saying, now that I look again
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 6:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
But they’re saying you’ll play everyone from pod A and two teams from each of the other three pods, meaning you could have Texas and Arizona State both go undefeated without playing one another
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
I am not really seeing the benefit of pods over doing East/West 8 team divisions
I guess it mixes the teams up more, but it’s hard for my simple cave-man like mind to comprehend.
I guess it wouldn’t be any more confusing to have two unbeaten teams in a set of paired pods than it was to have OU-TT-UT all with the same record in the Big 12 South
everyone wants to play in LA for recruiting/exposure
thats the only way to keep the SF/NW/AZ/Mtn schools happy
for the NorCal schools it's more about rivalry than recruiting
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
But if you don't get LA, you get Texas.
Either way, you’re getting one of the best recruiting grounds in the nation, so I don’t see reason to complain.
by Mind of no mind on Sep 18, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
New article just posted about this story
http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32089149
Official Member of the Joe Bergeron Fan Club
Anyone else feeling really, really good about being in a conference with Larry Scott as its president?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
I, for one, will miss Dan Beebe
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
Nice Autosig HH!
Haven’t noticed that before, kinda like it!
The Academic Angle
As a graduate student at UT, part of my interest in this is academic. The only better academic home would have been the Big10, but this still gets UT into a conference with other academic heavyweights while preserving the Oklahoma rivalry. I see this as a win if it goes through.
by Cowslinger on Sep 18, 2011 6:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think Baylor is going to be playing in the big kids playground anymore
but Iowa State is one school that I think most people are overlooking for Big Ten expansion. They’re AAU, and while they’re not outstanding in athletics they are “good enough”. If the Big Ten is running out of options I think they could do a lot worse than Iowa State.
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
No and no.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This is how the PAC-16 should really look...
I would rather go to two divisions:
WHATABURGER –
UT / TT / OU / OSU
CU / Utah / AZ / ASU
IN-AND-OUT –
WA / WSU / OR / OR St
USC / UCLA / STAN / CAL
Just sayin’…
"Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, & sometime it rains!" ~ Crash Davis
Actually, Utah is INO territorry
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
vs how many Whataburgers in Dallas?
I've been fueling my dreams eating greens and beans...
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me a few weeks to figure that out
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What the?
Selling naming rights for division titles? Can’t get much worse than Leaders and Legands in the Big 10.
I would MUCH rather be in the Whataburger division than the Leaders or Legends division
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
sadly, there may genuinely be more cultural meaning under the fast-food model.
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Beer Brands for Networks
Instead of the Texas or Mountain(CU/Utah) networks, it can be the Shiner Network and the Coors Network.
Eh, Stone vs. Live Oak.
Let’s be elitist about this.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
My personal preferences.
Cali – Lagunitas
NW – Deschutes
Mountain/Desert – Breckenridge
Texas – St. Arnold and it hurts my soul to have to choose.
3/19/2009 & 12/15/2009 - Games Where Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
We're doing Pods?
I’ve never had Deshutes, though I’ve heard good things, and am unfamiliar with Breckenridge. I’ll have to rectify that.
I’ll stick with Stone for Cali, Rogue from the NW, Great Divide from the Mountain, and Rahr from Texas.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Breck is meh
Go with O’Dell. And get off your ass and try Deschutes. Start with the Black Butte Porter.
If this means those burgers are available in the stadiums
I’m all for it
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
So Pac-16 is strong in football, but check out how strong it is in everything else
1 UCLA 107
2 Stanford 101
3 USC 93
4 Oklahoma St 50
T-7 Texas 40
11 California 30
T-17 Arizona St 23
T-21 Colorado 22
25 Utah 20
T-26 Oklahoma 19
T-29 Oregon 18
T-31 Arizona 17
T-64 Washington 6
T-83 Oregon St 3
T-97 Washington St 2
T-131 Texas Tech 1
These are total NCAA team titles (no football, since that’s BCS).
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
You're right that the BCS technically isn't an NCAA championship
But the NCAA Tournament champion is just a tournament champion, not a national champion, right?
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Sep 18, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a national champion
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the winner is technically the NCAA Basketball Tournament champion, not national champion
There actually is no national champion, IIRC. There was a show on this once. I believe it was an episode of 60min.
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Sep 18, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Potential P16 Conference Schedule Cycle:
Potential P16 Conference Schedule Cycle:
2012
@TTU
vOK St
OU (Dallas)
@CU
vASU
@OR
vWSU
@STAN
vUSC
2013
vTTU
@OK St
OU (Dallas)
vCU
@ASU
vOR
@WSU
vSTAN
@USC
2014
vTTU
@OK St
OU (Dallas)
@Utah
vAZ
@OR St
vWA
@CAL
vUCLA
2015
@TTU
vOK St
OU (Dallas)
vUtah
@AZ
vOR St
@WA
vCAL
@UCLA
by RMHorn on Sep 18, 2011 9:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Pac-X likes to keep scheduling in natural rival pairs
Your overall concept is correct, but replace 2012 with:
@TTU
v OKST
OU
@CU
vsUU
@UW
vsWSU
@Stanford
vsCal
and you have something that’s probably closer to the mark.
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
Texas & SoCal Two of Best Recruiting Pools
A big part of the lure to the PAC-X is the Los Angeles high school talent for us as UT fans, and Texas HS talent for the west coast gang. By splitting it up like I did every school goes to or welcomes a school from every state (NoCal/SoCal & CU/Utah as own “states”) every year, never away more than two years from any recruiting pool. Also keeps drain on travel budgets to a minimum as one of Scott’s stated desires/conditions is no more than one visit to the furthest distanced campuses per year. Two visits to OR/WA (or for them two visits to OK/TX) in same season is possible under your concept. Just going with Scott’s reported remarks and all school’s stated recruiting desires in my design.
by RMHorn on Sep 19, 2011 12:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No no no no no
From Andy Staples via Twitter:
Realignment update after getting some feedback from those who know: Pump the brakes on Tex/Pac-12. Might happen. Not imminent.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
I would assume, after the ACC went poaching for big game, that the B1G would like to interject.
I think the Big 12 is done in any case.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What do the miscreants at Frank's have to say?
The B1G is looking down the barrel of Misery and ND fantasies right now. Also Kansas.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the last comment I read blamed Texas for everything. Of course.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
They still have a very viable option of "doing nothing"
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That may be the most dangerous option of all, but it would be a stereotypical move.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So, if the BE implodes, does ND "have" to park its other sports elsewhere...
…or is the non-basketball core of eight schools still good enough?
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Cinci/L-Ville TCU and USF still need a home too. So thats 12 Non members with 5 (Nova wants to move up in football) Football members to start with.
B12 ill add them so they can leave the bball only schools
New B12- KSU, ISU, Baylor, TCU, Cinncy, Lville, USF
They could add a combo of UCF, ECU, Temple, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulsa
The prospect would bring grown men to tears
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 18, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, nothing in that article strikes me as being insurmountable
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What did I tell you Hopkins?
What. Did. I. Tell. You?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep the faith
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like a plan
I’d want to see more than just horn stuff anyways. More PAC games would be sweet.
by iamjackburton on Sep 18, 2011 9:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
So, Texas' great LHN
Has us left with a conference tie of 1 from the original SWC? And, it isn’t even the aggies, it is a downgrade from Texas A&M to Texas Tech, which isn’t even a tier 1 school. Good grief everyone, STOP and think this through.
Traveling 2,000+ miles to a game is not a win. Changing 2 time zones to play “your conference games” is NOT a win.
And, the aggies end up in the best football conference playing great teams within a very logical and reasonable driving distance ? Has everyone gone completely mad?
We have much more in common with the SEC football teams and gulf coast states. We don’t have squat in common with the Pac 12.
I honestly to do not get the Pac 12 loving on here. Why in the world does anyone want to be in a “conference” with teams as far away as possible? Why would the Pac 12-16 presidents would want this crazy travel schedule for sports is beyond crazy to me. Do they really want to start traveling to Norman, Stillwater, and Lubbock ? Ausin is probably not that high on their travel plans either.
Conferences are suppose to be about geographical relationship as well as competitive and academic equivalence, not just what teams you can ‘hook up with’ for a tv deal. I hate, hate, hate this Pac 12 talk. We can play Pac 12 teams without being in their conference. I don’t like Big 10 better than our current big xii either, but I can live with it.
We just need to call OU’s and Okie Lite’s bluff and stay put in the big XII and add some logical geographic rivals. Screw this super-conference b.s.
I think we are doing this talk just to show OU that we will be the ones deciding if they get into the Pac 12 or not. When we don’t OU won’t.
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
You completely, totally lost me
We have much more in common with the SEC football teams and gulf coast states. We don’t have squat in common with the Pac 12.
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Hurricanes vs. Earthquakes
Nothing says Pacific Ocean like Texas and Oklahoma.
I go to LA every other month for gambling and NOLA. I have tons of family/friends spread out from Austin to Florida. I don’t have any conection whatsoever to the Pac teams and they mean nothing to me.
I want some rational conference alignment, not some make believe for football.
What do y’all think we have in common with the Pac 12 teams? Everyone is hatin’ but nobody is offering an answer. I’m all ears and curious?
A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....
So
Its better to be the Giant fish in a UH, UTEP, UTSA pond than be with at least other giants like OU and USC?
That's what I think of when I think of The University Of Texas
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
All Texas Super Conferance
UT
Baylor
Tech
UNT
TCU
SMU
Houston
Rice
UTSA
UTEP
Lamar
Texas State
Sam Houston
SFA
West Texas A&M
Prairie View
Don't forget Sul Ross State!
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's Slippery Rock on this list?
oh hail the Purple and White
Well, then, I want to see your Megaist of all Mega Conferences list
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Mega Ultra Gigantic All Star Texas Super Confernce of Champions
UT
Baylor
Tech
UNT
TCU
SMU
Houston
Rice
UTSA
UTEP
Lamar
Texas State
Sam Houston
SFA
West Texas A&M
Prairie View
Texas Southern
Mid Western State
UH-Clear Lake
Incarnate State
San Jacinto College
Incarnate World
Angelo State
Tarleton State
Texas A&M Commerce
Mid-West State
Sul Ross
Slippery Rock
Texas Lutheran
Mary Hardin Baylor
+
Notre Dame
by Silentjay on Sep 18, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Way to Domer this thread up
"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 18, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where's Trinity?
What, a 17-lateral ESPY-winning football team isn’t good enough for your conference?
by BrooklynHorn on Sep 18, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They are the next level out
In the Mega Ultra Gigantic All Star Texas Super Confernce of Champions that Can beat Any SEC, PAC, ACC, Green Bay Packers, Red Sox, SuperMan Chuck Norris beard Conference
Pac-12 Fans
would love to have an excuse to travel to Austin.
Norman, Stillwater, and Lubbock maybe not so much, but Austin? Yes, please.
It's true that the Big Ten really makes no more sense than the Pac
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Sep 19, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
(in the area of geography)
QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html
by burntorangehorn on Sep 19, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Statesmen is Reporting that LHN content will
include Texas Tech. The article states the following: “Texas would add Texas Tech in its network and include some Pac-16 content in the LHN programming. The network would probably carry the Pac-16 name.”
Sounds like the LHN is being folded into the Pac-16 networks
But the Texas based sources term it as “must carry Pac-16 content” in order to make it sound more like a win for Texas.
Shhhhh....
Do not give them a hint. I am just enjoying that thought as well as reading these posts.
by well you win some and lose others on Sep 19, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It could work out
Making it basically the Texas station of the PAC-16 network. Texas still gets to, due to it being LHN, have some form of dominance in the programming. At the same time, it is as fair as it gets and leaves the window open for the other stations to take hints from what works and doesn’t work on LHN.
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