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Texas Defense Vs. Rice: Missed Opportunities

For any defensive coach, there are three main elements to defensive success -- forcing turnovers, forcing negative plays, and forcing the opposing offense off the field quickly. Relatedly, all three of those things help put the offense in a position to succeed by winning the field position battle.

In looking at some of the stats -- particularly total yardage and scoring defense -- Manny Diaz's group appeared to dominate against the Rice Owls on Saturday night. The Texas defense held an opponent without a touchdown for the first time since the 2009 Big 12 championship game against Nebraska and more than doubled the offense output by the Owls with 506 total yards against 224 for Rice. Holding Rice to only two third-down conversions in 12 chances, a roughly 17% success rate, is impressive, but would essentially be unsustainable over an entire season -- consider that TCU lead the country last season by allowing opponents to convert less than one quarter of third-down attempts, the best number in the last four years.

Even those positive stats obscure some fundamental truths about the quality of the performance by the Texas defense, especially in the first half and to a lesser extent the third quarter. The Owls gained 130 yards on the ground at 4.3 yards per attempt, a number that jumps to nearly five yards per attempt after taking out the fumbled snap that lost 14 yards on the second play of the game -- an unforced error by the Owls, to use tennis terminology.

Dive plays up the middle and the speed option to Jackson Jeffcoat's side of the field found a great deal of success and helped Rice control the ball and the clock, shortening the game and costing Texas several possessions that could have more quickly put the game away.

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But there were also five important plays that illustrated the inability of the defense to get off the field. While the Owls struggled mightily on third down, most of the sustained Rice drives included significant gains on first and second down, in addition to some mistakes by the Texas defense missing tackles and committing silly penalties -- both aspects that plagued the team last season.

And while it's easy at this point to overreact with the trauma of 2010 still lingering so close to the surface, the fact remains that those type of mistakes prolong drives and sap momentum and energy from both the team and the fans (at home games), while flipping field position and giving the offense long fields with which to work.

Here are those five significant plays that prolonged drives and kept the Texas defense on the field longer than necessary.

Situation 1, The Gideon Special: 2nd and 10, Rice 35

Context: After three and outs by both teams to start the game, Rice began the team's second possession on the Owl 35 with an incomplete pass.

The Play: On a pass around the line of scrimmage to 6-5, 250-pound tight end Luke Willson, Texas safety had a chance to make a play for a loss of yardage but missed the tackle, allowing Willson to pick up seven yards.

The Result: Instead of facing third and long, Rice converted the third and short opportunity with a four-yard pass, extending the drive that would eventually span nine plays, eat up four minutes of clock, and result in a field goal. It was one of only two Rice third-down conversions on the night.

The Big Picture: Missed tackles are as much of a Gideon trademark as targeting penalties and the fact is that missed tackles in those situations are "Not Our Standard" and if the senior continues to make those type of plays, being "a coach on the field" doesn't provide enough upside to continue to give him snaps if Adrian Phillips and Kenny Vaccaro play at a high level, which is completely reasonable to expect.

Situation 2, The Terrible Call: 3rd and 5, Texas 38

Context: With the drive almost certainly extended by Gideon's missed tackle, the Owls broke into Texas territory with an 11-yard run on first down by Tyler Smith, but faced a 3rd and 5 after quarterback Tyler McHargue followed up a completed pass with an incompletion.

The Play: McHargue targeted an outside receiver with Carrington Byndom in coverage and overthrew the pass as Byndon made some contact with the receiver, drawing a pass interference flag. However, it appeared that Byndom was in position on the play -- likely a bogus call, but one that extended the drive once again.

The Result: The Rice second possession of the game resulted in a field goal, as mentioned above.

The Big Picture: Though Byndom was in position on the play, the lesson here is to find the ball and avoid making unnecessary contact when the receiver doesn't have a chance to make a play on it -- that way the officials have no opportunity to make a bad call.

Situation 3: 1st and 10, Rice 31

Context: After the one-yard touchdown run by Cody Johnson to start the second quarter, Rice received the ball and picked up 12 yards with a rush and a pass to start the drive.

The Play: Trying to generate momentum, the Owls dialed up a trick play with a halfback pass by Sam McGuffie. Junior reserve defensive end Dravannti Johnson brought some heat off the edge and appeared to have McGuffie wrapped up for a drive-killing loss. Instead, Johnson could not bring the Rice back to the ground and McGuffie completed a 15-yard pass to Vance McDonald.

The Result: A major momentum swing and the continuation of the drive, which likely would have died with the near 10-yard loss that should have happened on the play. After two Rice timeouts amidst general confusion, the Longhorns held on third down to finally force the punt. However, the extra 20 yards on the drive helped flip field position.

The Big Picture: If Manny Diaz is going to substitute frequently, reserves have to make plays in the game. It's not even about creating turnovers as much as it is about executing and making the easy, available plays. Johnson had what was a pretty easy opportunity to make a tackle well behind the line of scrimmage that would have virtually ended the drive, but couldn't do it. Once again, that's just not good enough.

Situation 4, The Poorly-Timed Facemask: 2nd and 25, Rice 25

Context: After Texas took a 13-3 lead midway through the second quarter, a strong coverage play on special teams by the Horns' newest scholarship player, senior fullback Jamison Berryhill, gave Rice the ball on the 18. Five rushes for 22 yards and an incomplete pass led to a 15-yard illegal block penalty on wide receiver Donte Moore, the type of play that once again should have killed the drive with Rice facing 2nd and 25.

The Play: A six-yard run by Tyler Smith should have put lead to a 3rd and 19 for Rice, but a 15-yard facemask penalty by Kheeston Randall gave Rice a significant chunk of free real estate and a free first down out of nothing.

The Result: Again, the result was a major momentum swing compounded two plays later by a 19-yard run by Tyler Smith that got Rice to the edge of field goal range, which Rice was able to convert after the Texas defense held on the next three plays following Smith's run. Instead of running one more play, Rice was able to run five more plays and take more time off the block, as well as score the three points.

The Big Picture: As the anchor of the defensive line and senior leader, the mental mistake by Randall on the play is completely unacceptable for a potential all-conference performer.

Situation 5, The Brain-Dead Superman: 2nd and 7, Rice 49

Context: The ill-advised lateral attempt by Garrett Gilbert in the general direction of Fozzy Whittaker ended the first Texas drive of the second half. A 40-yard punt by Justin Tucker and an 11-yard return by Xavier Webb gave Rice excellent field position near midfield. Tyler Smith rushed for three yards on the drive's first play.

The Play: Nearing the sideline on an eight-yard run, Blake Gideon saw his opportunity to finally hit someone and decided to launch himself through the air at McHargue, hitting him out of bounds and picking up a 15-yard personal foul.

The Result: Once again, the Texas defense compounded one mistake with another, promptly giving up another long run to Tyler Smith on the following play, this time for 20 yards.

The Big Picture: While the 20-yard run by Tyler Smith probably hurt as much as the personal foul penalty on Gideon and the yardage added on to the play did not allow Rice to continue the possession -- McHargue had already gained the necessary yardage for a first down -- the bigger concern here is that the personal foul by Gideon continues his disturbing trend of targeting opponents and jumping on the pile late. It seems as if he can't hit opponents without doing it illegally. Combined with his well-documented problem making tackles, the damaging penalties Gideon commits seem to outweigh whatever intangible contributes he provides if he isn't making interceptions or forcing fumbles. And after six interceptions in 2009, Gideon made only two in 2010, so there are serious question marks about whether Gideon can even excel in a center-field type of role without Earl Thomas.

Final Thoughts

Upon review, each of Rice's three scoring drives were aided early on by major mistakes from the Texas defense -- the missed tackle by Gideon, the facemask by Kheeston Randall, and the personal foul penalty on Gideon. Seniors, both. After the latter two penalties, a possible lose of focus or just plain poor execution lead to two long runs from Tyler Smith that ultimately gave Rice the necessary yardage to reach field-goal range -- either way, Texas followed two losing type of plays with two more losing type of plays and against better teams than Rice, that will put some chances at victories in serious jeopardy.

Even in the other two situations, the poor plays cost Texas field position and that isn't winning football either. With the kickoff and punt return phases of the game still not providing any advantage for the Longhorns -- along with mediocre efforts both punting and kicking off by Justin Tucker -- Texas lost the field-position battle relatively substantially against Rice.

As the 2010 season demonstrated, consistently missing tackles and committing stupid penalties also have a seriously deleterious effect on the team's psyche. Over the course of a season, consistently making those mistakes will rob the defense of confidence and result in the types of half-assed efforts that defined 2010. It's up to the players on the field to fix that.

Fixing the run fits by the defensive line and better pursuit/ability to get off blocks will be keys moving forward to more effectively stop the running game, but simply executing on the easy plays that kill drives and avoiding the costly penalties that prolong drives are easier steps that could greatly benefit the Texas defense. And if Blake Gideon keeps missing tackles and committing brain-dead penalties, he's a part of the problem, not the solution.

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Did I read correctly?

They had 30 pass attempts (a respectable amount) and we had zero sacks and zero interceptions?

Hopefully this element improves with time.

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by SwimTexas on Sep 5, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

most of their passes

were designed to get out quick. 3-step drops and the like. I don’t think getting to the QB will be a big problem against BYU when Diaz makes it a bigger priority.

by llogg on Sep 5, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

There were plenty of plays that weren’t quick hitters and we didn’t get any pressure on the QB.

by Horncasting on Sep 5, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Analysis

My primary concern is our run defense, particularly against the option ( UCLA )…Rice executed the game plan of quick 3 step drops, which offsets the pass rush…perhaps our seniors should no longer get the benefit of the doubt…in 1998, after a 1-2 start, MACK played the best players, not the most experienced….anyway, BRICK by BRICK!!

by rcpcrcpc on Sep 5, 2011 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

GOBR takes another unnecessary cheap shot at Gideon

And of course he’d know better than Will Muschamp or Duane Akina, who started Gideon over GOBR’s boy.

It’s old. And played.

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't call it a cheap shot

Gideon is a highlight reel of broken one arm diving tackles. He is always one step late because of his lack of speed, which causes him to make those late hits over and over. I agree with GOBR in the fact that the only time Gideon seems to lay a hit is when the ball carrier is defenseless.

In the last quarter, Rices running back broke through the line almost untouched… and the safety was left an almost impossible flat footed open field tackle. Booom, he makes it.. What do i do stand up and scream GIDEON!!!! out of pure shock and joy. BUT WAIT what is this… it was not Gideon at all it was NOLAN Brewster. Ahh yes that sounds about right.

by CedricGriffin on Sep 5, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm starting to wonder about Gideon too

but I wouldn’t call it a cheap shot. Gideon has some clear deficiencies.

I do have to say though, this is now the third defensive co-ordinator (Akina, Muschamp, and Diaz) who has deemed Gideon worthy of starting. Someone must be seeing something GoBR (and a lot of others) aren’t.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 5, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has deficiencies

But his are targeted, while others’ are often ignored.

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that one play irreparably ended any chance he'd have had with some fans

Another that neared that was the Aaron Williams knockout. Many of the permanently anti-Gideon crowd portray that as intentional on Gideon’s part, which is preposterous.

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always forget about that play

Until somebody brings it up as a reason for why people “hate on” Gideon. It doesn’t take that play to dislike his abilities as a safety.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a great reason.

Similar to hating on Greg Davis for the stupid play call that got Colt hurt. Two MNC’s down the drain in two plays. Oversimplistic? Sure, but you’re not going to convince me we would have lost to Bama with Colt and I believe Rak and Sergio could have reigned in Tebow.

I also like to think Gideon’s drop cost Colt a heisman and just got Sam Bradford a statue. A really big one.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 5, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this sarcasm?

Because I really can’t tell.

  • Gideon’s drop didn’t cost Colt a Heisman, but rather Bob Stoops decision to keep throwing bombs late in the game with Sam Bradford still at QB cost Colt the Heisman.
  • Its not just oversimplistic, but rather a bleak assumation that we would have beat Bama with Colt or Florida if Gideon would have caught the ball. Dont’ get me wrong, I do think we would have won both games, but to put the blame on Gideon and Greg Davis for not having the chance, is absurd.
  • 50 plus teams run a version of a speed option every game every Saturday. If ran correctly, it is a GREAT weapon. Injuries happen. That’s life. I dislike the playcalling as much as the next guy, but Greg Davis is not to blame for that injury.

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by kriess on Sep 6, 2011 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

The blame on that play goes to Colt

he is the one who screwed up the read and executed it incorrectly, not Greg Davis

by Beergut on Sep 6, 2011 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Face...wall....face....wall....

There is NO BLAME! It was an accidental injury. Its not like it was a messed up play or a vicious hit. It was incredibly unfortunate, yes, but these things happen.

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by kriess on Sep 6, 2011 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beergut's actually correct here.

It was Colt’s fault because he completely botched the play. The force player came up and Colt should have forced him to make a decision and then kept it or made the pitch. Instead, he just stopped and allowed the backside defensive tackle to make the play, something that should never ever happen on a speed option unless the guy pursues the play well down field.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 6, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That play had not worked the entire year

Regardless of whether or not the play design was bad, the execution was bad, or both, why call a play that has failed 100% of the time the entire year? I put the blame on GD for that one.

by Horncasting on Sep 6, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

The blame is one Davis for A) calling a play that we had zero success with all year B) not being able to teach an extremely simplistic play concept to such a good QB with a high football IQ.

Colt didn’t even know how to delay the pitch to the running back. He’d either take the ball up field or pitch the ball right away. That completely takes away from the point of the “option” and nullifies the efficacy of a play thats design relies on the defense having to make a choice each and every time.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 6, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it was Colt's fault for bothcing the play

And GD for calling a badly executed play, but neither are to blame for an injury.

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by kriess on Sep 6, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it is sarcasm

but as with most sarcasm there is truth behind it. To me its simple: Gideon catches the ball, we go undefeated, Colt gets the heisman, regardless of how many TD’s Bradford threw against Tech and Missouri. No way Bradford gets the heisman if Texas is undefeated.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 6, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've almost forgotten it as well

probably because after that play, Gideon has gone on to start 147 more games. My primary association has become the targeting penalties.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Targeting penalties

Or missed tackles? Which one is worse? It’s a tough choice between the two. The latter is just a general lack of football ability. The former is a selfish attempt to compensate for the latter by racking up a “big hit” on a generally defenseless receiver that only costs us 15 “more” yards.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a cheap shot at all

Just a sound examination of the mistakes he made and his potential value to the team over the long haul.

by llogg on Sep 5, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me know when GOBR make his first sound examination of Kenny Vaccaro's mistakes and value

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of those guys are without warts.

However, I agree with GOBR that Gideon is a liability, esp. for a senior.

It takes a lot of evidence to get a senior off the field…we went through this in a certain senior LB era…but that’s coming around the bend fast enough.

If you want to examine the mistakes of others, feel free to do so. Some mistakes are cheap…that is, they don’t cost the team…others, such as these two by Gideon, are more expensive. No, they didn’t lose this game…but some game, some day soon they just might.

I’m not a Gideon hater. I’ve just watched him play and lost my patience with him. We have better players at that position. That is all.

by whills on Sep 5, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scott Derry should have never happened.

Hence my username.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 5, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're admitting that Gideon makes mistakes

and then saying that they should just be ignored because they happen all the time?

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 5, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're referring to duke's post

He’s making a joke about Gideon dropping the Tech interception.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes part of that was a joke *taps mic* this thing on?! tough crowd...

Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.

by dukeoforange on Sep 6, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

not at all my friend

I am saying he has been consistent in his mistakes and he will not be replaced(much to my dismay), although he earned it quite some time ago.

Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.

by dukeoforange on Sep 6, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with anything you just said

and I’m really not asking just to be argumentative, but what are Diaz, Muschamp, and Akina seeing in him that we aren’t? And furthermore, who would you rather have play?

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 5, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the past

there weren’t really any better options, although I would argue that Kenny Vaccaro should have played more last season. Even with that being said, a Vaccaro/Gideon combination would have been better than Gideon/Scott, which was pretty abysmal.

Right now, I think that the best combination is Byndom, Diggs, Vaccaro, Phillips because it’s the most versatile group in terms of providing Diaz flexibility in coverage that Gideon doesn’t because he’s such a liability one-on-one.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 5, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year you said that you didn't think Aaron Williams' performance had cost him anything in draft position

It wasn’t until right before the draft that you changed you tune. You have your guys, and then you have the guys you’ll find any reason to dislike.

Also, where was your thread on Vaccaro’s whiffs and stupid penalties late last season?

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He will

When Vaccaro actually makes a mistake. He didn’t in the Rice game. Idiotic that you won’t except that Gideon is a sub-par player.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

*sigh*

Accept.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

recd

couldn’t have said it better.

by thebrat on Sep 5, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prolly Like

The guys who call into a poll to tell you they are undecided or have no opinion on the issue.

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by realmccoy on Sep 6, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reasons coaches choose starters

often extend well beyond on-field talent. Unfortunately.

I’ve often thought every team needs a bad cop “personnel” coach. A coach who serves no other purpose but deciding the starting 11, and whom the other coaches are contractually obligated to obey. He would do this knowledgeably, but from afar, possibly exclusively from watching practice tape, and without ever looking these kids in the eye. This would mean that politics and emotions couldn’t undermine the very best starting line-up, and it would give the head coach asylum from having to make the hard decisions, which they prove time and again they aren’t capable of making.

I’m being only half-facetious.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping

You were being zero percent facetious. Doesn’t sound like a particularly bad idea to me…it would have helped Texas out more than a few times over the past decade.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, I'll say this:

The first big-time program to implement this policy is going to win like 6 consecutive national titles.

I’m now being only 25% facetious.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

25% x 6 = 1.5

National titles. I’ll take it!

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's what LSU did

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way

They could break off that kinda complicated math.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only cheap shots

come from Gideon. You’re calling me out — again — yet you don’t even bother to explain what supposed cheap shot I took at Gideon. I’m explaining what happened. Gideon was directly responsible for giving up at least three points and directly related to giving up three more.

Yeah it is old. And yeah it is played. But yet the guy keeps making the same mistakes.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 5, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that it is old and played

Means a change should have been made a long time ago. Mack wants Gideon to start—it’s as simple as that.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, it's all Mack

It wasn’t Will Muschamp, Manny Diaz, or Duane Akina

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't "know"

It’s merely the most logical solution, based on the kind of guy that Mack is and his past history with players who have “bled for the team.”

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

how is it the most logical solution?

So many of our past/present coaches have talked highly about Gideon. Isn’t it possible there are things we as fans are not exposed to that make Gideon our best option at safety?

by thebrat on Sep 5, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe so

We’ve seen Phillips and Vaccaro play. Both are better than Gideon. If it were something like, “Ash should start over Gideon because sources say Ash was awesome in the offseason” I could completely understand where you were coming from. As is, AP and KV have both shown they are superior to Gideon in every way on the football field.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck

Sorry, Gilbert in that fake quote. Apologies.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Past History ..."

You mean like Chris Simms over Major Applewhite?

by robthecob on Sep 6, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm calling you out because it's ridiculous

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let. Me. Say. This. Slowly.
You’re calling me out — again — yet you don’t even bother to explain what supposed cheap shot I took at Gideon.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 5, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You take a cheap shot because you're the peanut gallery masquerading as an analyst

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are a wonderful analyst

and I appreciate all the work you do. But at some point you have to admit that there are things that we as fans are not exposed to that make Gideon the best option at safety. I refuse to believe the coaches would keep him as starter(and talk highly about him) if he were not our best option.

by thebrat on Sep 5, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I've read of this thread so far...

I think it obvious that GoBR hates white people. You ONLY bash on Gideon, Gilbert, Berryhill, Poehlman…etc.

I am 100% facetious by the way. Great stuff, Wes.

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by kriess on Sep 6, 2011 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

This makes no sense

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You definitely lost me there

Your comment implies that GoBR isn’t even capable of analysis on any issue. All contributors here crack wise emotionally from time to time, but to my memory, GoBR does it less than is typical.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 5, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yo man you're better than this.

My opinion is somewhere in between yours and GoBR’s. You both make valid points and I think reasonable people can disagree. I’ve seen you comment on here long enough to know that you generally don’t resort to name calling. Bad day?

Want to feel better about it? We didn’t lose to South Florida last weekend…

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 5, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's it, you're going on my list

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 6, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Em, you can’t put everyone on your booty call list.

How would Hopkins/your fiancee feel?

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by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 6, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, well-played, sir.

I lol’d.

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by LonghornEm on Sep 6, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me explain to you my methodology

I took every poor/unnecessary defensive play from the game that extended a drive. Extending drives is bad football, it’s not nitpicking. It just so happened that two of those plays included Gideon. Why? Make your own conclusions.

Nowhere did I blame all of the defense’s problems on Gideon, but the film doesn’t lie and any criticisms of Gideon by me are based on the film. And my point stands — if he keeps missing tackles and committing dumb penalties, while providing little tangible boost to the team besides whatever cliches people want to lob out about his intangible benefits, then he doesn’t deserve to start. That goes for anyone on the team.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 6, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I appreciate your hard work and DO appreciate your methodology on this one.

Don’t know if you (& others) get paid for work here ($300 mill?) but many of us appreciate it greatly. I wanted to make sure to say that first. My rant was more generally directed. I did realize that these were plays that surfaced during analysis. Thanks for the explanation.

Some of your posts (esp. one months ago) and comments of dozens of other BONrs out here seem to take a very inflammatory agenda-driven (simply to make him him out to be a terrible player) tone in pointing out any & all flaws w/ Gideon’s game. It is my feeling that there are so many other huge mistakes (on & off the field) made by other players that are ignored while Gideon gets chastised repeatedly for his and uncredited for his steady play. It’s fine, although irritating, to see in the comments section but seems altogether worse when used as the subject matter for a FanPost or Shot. Out of the respect everyone has for your regularly-stellar analyses, you get tons of leeway, but if others were to bash a player in a posting, I know they’d get ripped. Gideon has been a tremendous career Longhorn in his combo of performance and behavior while on the team. For those reasons, his peers love him and many of us defend him. Good grief, any player who has started every game of his career (let that sink in), has got to be doing something right.

As far as his “intangible benefits” to the team, I don’t care about ‘em & have never said otherwise. Some others may see that as important but it certainly is not what is keeping him on the field. What is important is that his play is better than his backups. That’s what his “tangible” boost is to the team. Gideon paled in comparison to ET (anybody would) but he was easily better than Scott, slightly better than Vaccaro last year, and is simply better than Brewster & the freshmen this year. Coaches, a depth chart, and most plenty of fans confirm this. Why would a coach start a worse player?! (rhetorical) Everyone also needs to understand that Gideon & Vaccaro are not competing for the same position anymore. I know that’s not you but it’s a mistake made ad nauseum.

Again, your are an analysis-pseudo-god to most of us who know football. On this issue, however, it’s okay for the pro-Gideon camp to defend the boy and have a totally different perspective on his performance than do those who want him to ride the pine. That’s all.

by robthecob on Sep 6, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bigger picture

Is the LB Corp. I thought acho looked out of place in the middle. I think he is an excellent OLB, but I am not sure he is suited to take on the big uglies and fill holes. Perhaps a switch with hicks or more time from Edmond will be the corrective measure.

by codaxx on Sep 5, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

C'mon Now!

Gideon’s superman launch to hit the Rice QB out of bounds was obviously stupid and not what a 4-year starter should do. Even if the QB wasn’t well out of bounds (he was), it would be a personal foul penalty for targeting or leading with the helmet.

Also, I did not notice the missed tackle (or at least Gideon’s role in it), but he’s notoriously shy of tackling contact.

I would think that a safety team of Phillips and Vaccaro would be preferable except that then takes away our nickel back. I’m not a Gideon hater, but I can’t imagine that moving him from starter to backup wouldn’t be an upgrade.

by SDHornEsq on Sep 5, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't like being down on a specific player but I am with Gideon

As a senior he is still doing the same things that have caused him to receive so much ire. At some point something has to change, and it will because he will graduate. I am not comfortable advocating for the removal of someone, especially when they are a senior and have worked so hard for the U that I love but cmon Gideon stop it already!

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by dukeoforange on Sep 5, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went back and saw the 2nd and 10 arm tackle that Gideon missed. GOBR is right. You can see it at 8:45 of the orenji torrent that is going around (11:24 left in 1st quarter, Rice’s first FG drive). Gideon sits about 5-7 yards off of the screen receiver then takes a line to the outside of the receiver while the ball is in the air. He does not get there in time and the receiver steps inside, forcing Gideon to move awkwardly towards him with his arms almost completely whiffing.

It’s really odd that a guy like Gideon can shy away from contact when he tackles and in other plays lead with his helmet and shoulder pads. I would be guess that due to his fusion in high school he’s trying to stay away from contact he knows his body cannot tolerate, but that would not explain the supermans and targetting. You would think a 4th year senior would put numbers on numbers and drive the receiver into the ground.

by SDHornEsq on Sep 5, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not about reluctance to make contact,

it’s just that Gideon has a poor tackling radius because his lateral quickness is poor and he seems to have tight hips. The last-second re-direct just can’t happen with him.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 5, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Gideon have some sort of major back problem in High School or something?

Seems like I remember hearing that he had some sort of ailment with his back or neck? Could this be the reason he shy’s away from contact? Just a thought.

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by mccoy12 on Sep 6, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was what SDHorn was referencing.

He had 2 broken vertebrae in HS so he might have gained some flaws in form tackling, as a result.

by robthecob on Sep 6, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dang

Actually I’m even more impressed that he tackles like he does after 2 broken vertebrae…

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by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 6, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is impressive...but..

It still does not excuse his level of play. I agree with GoBR, but I also gotta believe there is a better option.

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by mccoy12 on Sep 6, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone's flaw in thinking ... in a nutshell.

It seems obvious to many of us that there IS no better option. Professional high-level college coaches’ actions have said asmuch. He’s many folks’ whipping-boy but the fact remains that he’s been the best safety on the team, ever since ET’s departure and was a starter for 2 years prior to that.

by robthecob on Sep 6, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again

While that is inherently flawed logic, Phillips has vindicated it nevertheless.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 6, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

How is it there are no better options?

Gideon has been in that spot for what, 4 years? Give some new kid a shot. You saying no one could eventually improve after 4 years? Or even 1? I don’t buy it.

by iamjackburton on Sep 6, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

A good argument

Gideon has disallowed other younger players from getting on the field and developing into better players than they presently are.

It’s time to get some youth and talent in there.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 6, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

A bad argument. Coaches want to win NOW.
“Gideon has disallowed other younger players from getting on the field and developing into better players than they presently are.”

Actually, Gideon hasn’t disallowed anybody. He has no say in it and has played his butt off. The coaches are the ones disallowing your theory. Regardless, thank you for succinctly proving my point. I couldn’t have said it any better. Gideon is a better player NOW than the players backing him up. Coaches are infinitely more interested in winning than in individual improvement.

by robthecob on Sep 6, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillips should starts

Seriously, starting DBs should be Diggs, Byndom, Vaccaro and Phillips. Big nickel brings on Gideon with Vaccaro or Phillips sliding over to nickel. Small nickel brings on White or one of the freshmen with Diggs sliding over to nickel.

Agree about the LBs, though I thought Keenan looked at least as lost as Acho.

by llogg on Sep 5, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

506 to 224

Is a little better than nearly doubled… Yeah, that’s all I got out of this entire article.

New Orleans, here we come.

by KratosWasASooner on Sep 5, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

You must be a math major eh?

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by dukeoforange on Sep 5, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doubled is also nearly doubled.

Math major here.

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by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 5, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey everybody, look!

We have a… crap what was the joke again? Oh yeah, something about a math major. My delivery sucks

New Orleans, here we come.

by KratosWasASooner on Sep 6, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree about Gideon

Possible that we start Edmond @ MLB move Robinson to wlb & in obvious passing situations & 3rd down we bring in Acho for Edmond?

by bobbytx8 on Sep 5, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

It doesn't have to be difficult...

Here’s where you lost me and how it could’ve been made much easier to read: “Reflected in the stats — particularly total yardage and scoring defense — Manny Diaz’s group dominated the Rice Owls Saturday night. Texas held an opponent without a touchdown for the first time since the 2009 Big 12 championship game against Nebraska while more than doubling the Owl’s offensive output — 506 total yards to 224 for Rice. This came while holding Rice to only two third-down conversions in 12 chances, a 17% success rate… impressive, but considering that TCU led the country last season allowing opponents to convert less than one quarter of third-down attempts, the best rate in the last four years, it’s a number not likely to be sustained.”

by OldTimeHorn on Sep 5, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Fair post, imo....

Those three plays were killers to be sure, in terms of our getting on top of the game early and staying there. We were fortunate that they weren’t more costly.

Aside from those three plays, I was most disappointed in the inability of our front 7 to get off blocks and make plays. Rice had something to do with that with not only the mentioned 3 step drops but also a veteran offensive line and a well designed plan that fit their personnel. But, the defensive front 7 was thought to be a team strength coming into the season. Disappointing showing Saturday night despite the stats.

by hh500 on Sep 5, 2011 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure how Gideon is still starting.

He must be one hell of a practice player because his play during the games definitely isn’t starter worthy. I find it amazing that we don’t have someone on the 40 acres that can be more productive on the field than him. I know Gideon is giving it all he can but he has been the weak link on the defense for a while now.

by cj43 on Sep 5, 2011 8:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He's such a fantastic

Coach on the field!!!!!

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that code for white defensive back?

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Code?

Nah, Ami, I think most people figured that one out a LONG time ago lol.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know. :-) We really need that sarcasm/smart ass font…

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noooo

I was playing off you!!!! You were supposed to keep it going!! Probably my fault. I played off poorly.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, quit masquerading as an analyst!

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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have always been partial to

Salted peanuts. Maybe I am indeed better suited to the peanut gallery?

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'll need to ask GoBR to make room for you first

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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quit masquerading as a realignment specialist! You can’t possibly know anything.

We are going to the SEC.

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

My anonymous sources and well-placed friends tell me otherwise

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus hasn’t made a pronouncement yet. When he does, I’ll know it is the gospel truth.

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although he did just say

Ash would likely get 10+ snaps and 5+ passes against BYU.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen.

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey you pulling a beergut with your new avatar?

It worked for him and A&M, perhaps for us as well. Although not sure most Texas fans want that.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 5, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me eat a few more Whataburgers first...

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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be nice to the less fortunate, HH. Aggies can’t help themselves. They were born that way.

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

First Village People, now Gaga.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 5, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Village People said it best. :-)

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can all choose to use our avatars to advocate for that which not everyone else believes in

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by Hopkins Horn on Sep 5, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to go west.

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

As along we can take Rice and the MOB with us.

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine the road trips?

So much better than collieville.

If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?

by OnMySignal on Sep 6, 2011 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well played..

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by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 5, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although not sure most Texas fans want that.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 6, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m dense. :-)

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by dimecoverage on Sep 5, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are not dense...

…you are pleasantly plump!

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by dukeoforange on Sep 6, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree about Situation 2

Not sure if you were at the game, or if it showed up on tv, but Byndom clearly jammed the receiver past the 5 yard mark. Everyone in the stadium boo’d when they showed the replay, but the replay didn’t start until after the illegal contact.

Speaking of DB’s, I counted 3 times when the CB’s missed what looked like easy INT opportunities because they didn’t turn back to the ball. I know this has been a staple of the Akina learning curve, but it is still frustrating.

by Horncasting on Sep 5, 2011 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Was watching Byndom when it happened live in the stadium.

Thought the contact was a bit unnecessary, but I also thought that he was in position and the ball was pretty much uncatchable. So, as I said, I think he’ll learn from it, and should learn from it, but I’m not sure that it was the proper call, but I also haven’t had the chance to re-watch it.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 5, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watched the game on computer

And got to see replay of the full play. The penalty was called for Byndom not moving when the Rice receiver ran into him. He never made an effort to stop the player’s movement, he just held his ground. Plus the ball was thrown out of bounds. Shouldn’t have been a penalty.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 8:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sure looked to me like he came up and jammed him

but, admittedly I only saw it the one time live. I even commented to my wife that they were going to throw the flag.

by Horncasting on Sep 5, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have to agree

Live, it looked like a bad call, but on the replay he clearly rerouted the receiver with the contact down the field. I thought it was an accurate call.

by aaronlybrand on Sep 5, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm possibly

I knew it would be called as well, but didn’t agree with the call. Especially since I thought it was uncatchable. You guys could be right though.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 5, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since it has gotten to be he Gideon show here

Anyone notice the nice play by Whaley? I almost spit out my drink when they replayed it. Nice to see him getting involved

by codaxx on Sep 5, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep

He got a lot more playing time than I had expected.

by Horncasting on Sep 5, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back to Gideon

Sorry, but back to Gideon. Since there weren’t any injuries to report, was Brewster playing most of the 2nd half because the coaches also didn’t like Gideon’s play?

by FW Mike on Sep 5, 2011 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

To me Gideon and Gilbert are the same player.

I cringe when I see them on the field and makes me sad to realize we have no better options.

Announcers drove me crazy calling Gilbert a young qb. Uh no! He’s a junior, we shouldn’t have to wait any longer for him to mature. More experience than Ryan Tannehill.

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by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 5, 2011 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not that we don't have better options

It’s more the case that people are invested in certain players (tell me burntorangehorn isn’t HEAVILY invested in Gideon) and they refuse to accept the facts.

by iamjackburton on Sep 6, 2011 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

when you stir the pot

what kind of spoon do you use? wood or metal? =D

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by dukeoforange on Sep 6, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've often defended Gideon in the past

Especially since many fans, who will never forget his dropped INT against Tech, just blame him for everything. However, I’m just about darn tired of those stupid penalties. He’s not a worthless player by any means (just has clear limitations), but those kind of penalties can be absolute killers for the defense, not to mention inherently dangerous. I’ll forgive him for not being Earl Thomas-fast and not being able to catch a RB who has broken away on the opposite side of the field from him; that defensive breakdown is not his fault. The penalties are something simple that he can get rid of, though.

by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 5, 2011 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree with just about everything; however...

I think Gideon has very decent speed. He just takes poor angles, imo.

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by kriess on Sep 6, 2011 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree he has decent

Suddenness, but I think his straight-line speed is average and his recovery speed is comically bad.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 6, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Gideon

maybe your other DBs don’t know the coverages as well as he does, and therefore aren’t capable of making the calls in the secondary, which is why Gideon stays on the field? It would be a logical answer to why three different defensive coordinators continue to start him.

by Beergut on Sep 6, 2011 3:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe..

But Vacarro has been in the program now for a while. I would Imagine he could be the same type “Coach on the field” if asked.

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by mccoy12 on Sep 6, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our point is

When a single player (Gideon) is consistently responsible for big plays being allowed, it is no longer worth to have him on the field just so he can make defensive calls then not execute the subsequent play. The young DBs have all been praised for having good football IQs; I think they are intelligent enough to recognize and adjust by themselves instead of having their hands held. Just not worth it to me.

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by GoHornsGo90 on Sep 6, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey beerbutt

have you put in your notice to PB that you are leaving the blog? the deadline is looooooming…

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by dukeoforange on Sep 6, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

3-4?

Watching Rice pound the middle was disheartening. Given our weakness at DT would we do better in a 3-4? Or given our weakness at LB would we be better in a 5-2?

by MarkInAustin on Sep 6, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

With Cobbs out,

there is less reason to play 3-4 I think, as there’s a drop-off from Cobbs to Aaron Benson or Tevin Jackson right now, at least until Steve Edmond is ready to play significant snaps. Keep in mind that Ashton Dorsey was suspended and will be back next game and that Desmond Jackson had some nice plays while he was in and should continue to improve throughout the season, as should Chris Whaley. By the end of the year, it would be surprising if at least one of those guys hasn’t stepped up to be a solid contributor at the least.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 6, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because it's worth burying down here in this thread,

Rice’s longest offensive play from scrimmage on the day — a 20-yard run by Tyler Smith — included a missed tackle by Blake Gideon about 15 yards downfield. Just saying.

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