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Hilarious Realignment Quote of the Day

Courtesy of Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News, comes this gem from an article speculating as to why Texas would never join the Pac 12:

The university, which has one of the nation's finest law schools, considers itself the academic equal of the Ivies, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins.

(Not that Stanford and Cal aren't academic powerhouses. It's just that they aren't east coast academic powerhouses.)

Would the state's power brokers - and that includes Perry - really allow the state university to move its center of gravity to the west coast?

That, not The Longhorn Network, could be what keeps Texas out of the Pac-12.

So let's get this straight: Texas would not go to the Pac 12 because Texas pols like Rick Perry won't be able to get past their fawning admiration for east coast academia?

Rick Perry?  Seriously? The guy who bombed his way through college and couldn't get an A in Cow Parts 101 if you spotted him everything but the udder? The guy who was a male cheerleader at the school that just bolted for the academic wasteland of the SEC?  That's going to be the hang up?

There are reasons that Texas might not choose to head to the Pac 12, but this isn't one of them.

Consider this your realignment open thread.

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Wow.

Sally, will you meet me at the airport?

by TxHorns247 on Sep 7, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

as an academic...

…i think i have a decent understanding of universities and how different universities are viewed in terms of their strength. and i have to say, this is one of the most ignorant comments ever.
the pac 12 has great academic schools in washington, stanford, berkeley, ucla, oregon, ucsetc. i think academic quality of pac 12 can never be questioned

by vanterminatorhorn on Sep 7, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Whatever you do

DON’T open this at work.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love

Gordon Keith

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Sep 7, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he is a genius in the literal sense.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That goes along with that Agricultural Leadership degree.

Yes, that is actually a degree.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

From my younger cousin, former A&M student and former Aggie football player…(I’m paraphrasing) Ag Leadership is a degree where some players are “funneled” to make sure they are in a degree program and stay eligible.

No, my cousin was not in the Ag Leadership degree program.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You’re astounded to hear that animal science is an actual discipline? I really hope you don’t have a degree from UT because you’re not helping our image.

I’d leave that jab at home if you want to poke fun at an Aggie.

by wyolonghorn on Sep 7, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was nothing political in what PB wrote.

Any time an Aggie runs for the highest office in the land, there is no way BON will refrain from commenting.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

When politicians comment on football

They waive their rights.

A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....

by Wrangler86 on Sep 7, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Eddie, you beat me to it..nt

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by ouALWAYSsux on Sep 7, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

politics free?

doubt it, even Ken Starr is involved now. We will see if Perry has the wits tonight. Personally I dont care what your politics is, I care what your economics are…

by sam0807 on Sep 7, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

ALL AGGIES ARE FAIR GAME ALWAYS.

But I’d agree that we should restrain the critique to his Ag-ness.

by Dagga Roosta on Sep 7, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Changes the universe.

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Sep 7, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

its bigger even than this...

Every country has a great seat of learning/sport. So it shall be for the University of the Republic of Texas. No place for the Aggies in the New World Order so they get moved to Shreveport of something.

by HSridge on Sep 7, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch Out

We don’t want or need them over here!

by Burnedsince61 on Sep 7, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too late.

If you get to dip your fingers into this recruiting pool, you have to take them. Quid pro quo &c.

by mnHorn on Sep 7, 2011 6:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

NWO?

UT attacks Aggies
Tony Schiavone:Oh MY GOD, UT is the 16th team of the PAC.
Heenan: UT has betrayed NCAA. They are the 16th team in this picture. Probally the lowest shot given to NCAA given right there by that school UT.
Tony Schiavone: Lets get all the Schools out there and kick UT’s rear end
Heenan: What have I been saying all these years you nay sayers. See those little Baylor fans with tears running down thier face. What will happen to the Big XII now.

by Silentjay on Sep 7, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

PAC is still most likely

If any major program could go independent, it’s surely Texas. However, there is so much uncertainty with realignment that it doesn’t seem like a prudent choice. Should 4 power conferences emerge from this heap, Texas would be negotiating it’s inclusion in the post season from a disadvantage. Ultimately, if Texas’ competitiveness or image suffer, it would be to the direct detriment of LHN, thus the risks to independance are huge at the moment. The PAC 12 is the safer move.

In business, everything is negotiable and I expect that both sides are willing to negotiate the LHN because their is an upside to both sides should Texas go to the PAC 12.

I like the concept of football independence, but i think the risks far outweigh the benefits at the moment.

by BMG on Sep 7, 2011 2:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Its a different culture?

Have they never been to Austin? Yea its not as crazy as San Fran, but the culture is not THAT different

by Silentjay on Sep 7, 2011 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Hell no it ain't academics —

Here’s a list of the Big 12 programs’ graduation rates in football and basketball:

FOOTBALL
University of Missouri 71%
Kansas State University 69%
Texas Tech University 69%
University of Nebraska, Lincoln 68%
Baylor University 64%
Iowa State University 64%
University of Colorado, Boulder 59%
Oklahoma State University 59%
Texas A&M University, College Station 57%
University of Kansas 56%
University of Texas at Austin 49%
University of Oklahoma 44%

BASKETBALL
Oklahoma State University 92%
University of Nebraska, Lincoln 82%
University of Kansas 80%
Texas A&M University, College Station 64%
University of Oklahoma 55%
University of Missouri, Columbia 44%
Texas Tech University 44%
University of Colorado, Boulder 43%
University of Texas at Austin 42%
Kansas State University 40%
Baylor University 38%
Iowa State University 35%

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 7, 2011 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW

These rates go for most really good football programs

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 7, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Graduations Rates are meaningless

There just a number for the have-nots to use in berating the haves. If they didn’t have that number they’d come up with another one.

by BigFatScott on Sep 7, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

First, they are meaningless unless you include graduation rates of non-athletes fir comparison. Second, there is the unstated assumption that everyone who is admitted to college should graduate, or else the school, coaches, or someone has “used them” or “let them down”. What about the elite athlete who leaves early for the NBA, MLB, or NFL? Should the school force them to stay and graduate? What about the guys who flunk out, or the ones who decide college is just not for them, don’t have the money, change schools, develop physical problems, decide to get married and go to work, or decide to join the military and finishe their degree in the military? Finally, what does it mean if one school has a higher grad rate? That they “care” more about thier student’s future? Or that they have mediocre athletes who never leave early for the pros? Or that they push them through a non-demanding program and award them wortless degrees.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Sep 8, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw dat.

Dude doesn’t know anything about Texas. Our identity is already pretty “western”. If UT and A&M are Country & Western, A&M is the Country and we are the Western. We’re unlike many other parts of Texas in that we’re a bunch of rock n’ roll-playing hippies and flaming liberals, no matter how the rural rednecks on Orangebloods forums act; they’re not representative of Austin or UT. We have a western identity. As lush and green as Austin is, we’re on the edge of the great southwest desert. Austin feels like the frontier. Culturally, we just belong with the west coast. Half of Austin’s residents are from California now, anyway. If redder-than-us Oklahoma can justify associating itself with the west coast, then Texas can.

I just wonder how many “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okie" >Okie" jokes the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State fans are going to get, playing in California.

"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young

by LookinForIt on Sep 7, 2011 2:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

As lush and green as Austin is

Haven’t been to Austin in awhile huh? The only thing green in my yard are the weeds.

Do not be distracted by what you see, but be transformed by what you believe.

by 2Cor12:9 on Sep 7, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

so its as green as california?

I support the NBA player's union.

by chowder on Sep 7, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have weeds? Mine died.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The weeds in California are also smoking

Oddly everyone there seems unconcerned.

by DudeAbide on Sep 7, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I meant, you know, normally.

And the trees are still green, somehow.

"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young

by LookinForIt on Sep 7, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ones...

…in Bastrop aren’t.

by danielt on Sep 7, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too soon.

"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young

by LookinForIt on Sep 7, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't making a joke.

Still don’t know if my aunt has a house or not.

by danielt on Sep 8, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its not just Bastrop

As a fireman/911 dispatcher out here in Houston, these past 2 weeks have been a nightmare. The town of Magnolia is well for a better lack of words….fucked.

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by kriess on Sep 7, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree - we ain't ALL hippies and flaming liberals!

Don’t include McCombs college or the engineering school. You might check out the liberal arts college though.

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by Snide Aside on Sep 7, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

mislead

This guy is normally pretty good, but whoever he listened to doesn’t know a thing about UT or Texas.

by bu2 on Sep 7, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The top of the pac 12 conference is probably the best out of any conference not named ivy

What a joke Perry is. If he is talking about law schools the 2011 rankings have Stanford- 3, Cal- 9, and just outside the t14 is UCLA and USC at tied for 16 and 18th respectively. UT Austin just became a member of the t14 this year with a tie with Georgetown. Adding UT to the pac 12 puts 5 out of the top 20 of the best academic institutions in the US in one conference. Not even the Big 10 who care so much about academics in the realignment picture could say that. Also that number matches the ivy league (although theirs are slightly higher ranked). Again this is just for law schools.

by CanadianHorn on Sep 7, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it possible....

that OU is just posturing? Trying to make people take them serisouly so that when they eventually stay in the Big 12 with Texas, outsiders view them as the ‘savior’?

by Pounds on Sep 7, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think that's the idea this time

In this case, it’s smart for every school to be looking for a conference, if not just as a back up.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Sep 7, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone heard what came of yet another emergency meeting for the Big 12 today?

is Baylor still intent on not signing the waiver that allows A&M to the SEC move to be official?

I bet the Baylor folks are just tickled to death with the attention they are getting today.

by silky51 on Sep 7, 2011 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If these

bottom tier schools lose the Big 12 they’re gonna lose alot of money!

by Pounds on Sep 7, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Sep 7, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

As happy as

I am to see aTm go, nothing would make me happier than to see the SEC withdraw their invite and aggy have to come back on their hands and knees….

by Pounds on Sep 7, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

BWA-HA-HA-HA!

Had to cancel their little celebration today I hear.

by DudeAbide on Sep 7, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wont lie, It brought a HUGE smile to my face when I read that!

by Pounds on Sep 7, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Dang It, ArBowen!"

I wuz jus’ puttin’ the final touches on mah t.u. outhouse.

by DudeAbide on Sep 7, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

*snicker*
The university, which has one of the nation’s finest law schools, considers itself the academic equal of . . . Johns Hopkins

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Give yourself an academic pat on the back.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I was being sarcastic.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unrelated, but I'm just going to put this here

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're taking over this board, one avatar at a time

If you’re with us, have your avatar join us!

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That means you, Brooklyn

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Count me in!

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Sep 7, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a winner!

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on, y’all. You’re all individuals.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's like a convention of Ayn Rand followers...

…standing in a room, chanting in unison, “we are individuals”.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"we are individuals"
"we are individuals"
"we are individuals"
"we are individuals"
"we are individuals"

by TowerPower on Sep 7, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was that you across the circle last night?

Hard to tell with all the cloaks and masks… we really should just do those things naked.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 7, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta see some pics first before I agree to that one

Been fooled once, shame on you…

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That could be construed as politic talk. Stop it right now, mister.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Such a hipster cool kid

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're due a change too

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If LH or whills adopted this

My life may be complete.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do it, learned!

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Em Gee!

I need to sit down.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's it. All the cool kids are on board.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheep.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goat.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mehhhh

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me: Why does this thread have a 150 unread comments in an hour?
clicks
Me: Oh, Em and Hopkins are here.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're welcome.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was expecting way more animated gifs :)

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have access to my saved gif folder on my work computer

But I’m home now, so here you go:

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

Did you see theA&M leaving to the SEC gif post in the fanshots? Full o’ win.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I missed that.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Merry Christmas

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=188&f=1650&t=7769534&p=1

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awe. Some.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no, that's 53

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on now

Em is the gif queen. She was into animated gifs before they were cool. She’s the hipster gif-ster. I’m not the only offender here.

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Sep 7, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're all soft

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Sep 7, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whats worse

This or a gif of RSD and Chaz Bono fighting over a twinkie?

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by kriess on Sep 7, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That one is going to haunt my dreams.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosie. O. Donnell.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Empty threats as far I as I'm concerned.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first shot

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa man, whoa

let’s not get nuts.

Apologies.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see...

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

A follow up question

Why do you have a stock of ROD photos on hand?

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep digging

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I can’t stop watching this gif

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as gifs I can't stop watching

This is my fave:

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

MOAR CATS

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gracias

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do it

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

This isn't like Aggie group-think. At all.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

MILK THE COW! MILK THE COW!!!

Isn’t that what one of them is?

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

We won’t ask you to fire off a whoop rifle

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

PS:

The working title of my comprehensive realignment piece, which probably won’t make it up until tomorrow now, is “Don’t Fuck This Up, Texas”.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brave soul

You may have to rewrite the thing as fluid as this situation is.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think my working title violates SBNation rules

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see no problem

For
Us
College realignment
Know-it-alls

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The SEC

is about the same as the Big 12 when it comes to academics, with the Big 12 coming out slightly on top (More AAU schools, but similar overall ratings). The Pac 12 is superior, but only for the california schools, who get an amount of state funding not scene in any other state. Depending on who the SEC Adds (A&M improves their overall academics) they could be solidly ahead of the Big 12 after this year. Unless they add WVU.

US News and World Report Nat’l University Rankings

SEC:

  1. Alabama
  2. Arkansas
  3. Auburn
  4. University of Florida
  5. University of Georgia
  6. Kentucky
  7. LSU
  8. MSU
  9. MU
  10. South Carolina
  11. Tennessee
  12. Vanderbilt (AAU)

Big 12:

  1. Baylor
  2. Iowa State
  3. KSU
  4. KU
  5. Missouri
  6. OSU
  7. OU
  8. Texas A&M
  9. texas
  10. Texas Tech

Pac-12:

  1. Arizona State
  2. Arizona
  3. UC-Berkley
  4. UCLA
  5. Colorado
  6. Oregon State
  7. University of Oregon
  8. USC
  9. Stanford
  10. University of Washington
  11. Washington State
  12. University of Utah

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh that just SUCKS.

I typed in all the school rankings and then the posting system went and made it a numbered list. DAMN YOU SBNATION!

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgiveable

but for a brief moment I thought, “hey, they’re all ranked in alphabetical order!”

by Dagga Roosta on Sep 7, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I had a full list of the US news rankings, but SB nation did not like it

The gist: Every Big 12 school minus A&M, Texas, Baylor, and MU is ranked above 100, with tech the highest at 159. Texas was 45, A&M 63, Baylor 79, and MU 94.

The SEC had several Top 100 Schools. Florida #54, Georgia #56, Vandy #17, Alabama # 79-something, and Auburn #80 Something. The remaining schools were in the 100’s, with Miss and Miss state being in the 150’s.

Pac-12: Cal Schools all top 25, Wash U #43, Colorado #80 something, and everyone else in the 100’s somewhere.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there

a better readily available comparative tool?

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, yes there are.

Really depends on what you’re measuring, since the range of activities is so various, but for research you can’t go wrong with this: http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

by TIGRPRIDE on Sep 7, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with this completely.

A brief look at their methodology of ranking (as published several years ago) convinced me that this was not an academic ranking.

by BurntOrange&Blue on Sep 8, 2011 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most ed policy people I know seem to feel USN&WR is really harmful to education in America

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

it turns out, when you type

Sbnation automatically makes it a 1, 2, 3, 4, etc list. That isn’t obvious anywhere until you do it.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh

So, simply typing the “#” sign is enough to make it a list. Putting that in front of any number automatically makes it, when done on separate lines, a numbered list.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Them Compuiter Boxes Done Outthunk Me

Word does something like that. Bill Gates is gonna sue Peter for his season tix.

by DudeAbide on Sep 7, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

way to be a dick.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dick?

From someone who couldn’t capitalize Texas?

by utexas87 on Sep 7, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That sucks (about the formatting)

But it just confirms my point. Texas is okay with slumming it in the academic wasteland that is the Big 12. It’s ridiculous to assert that we wouldn’t go Pac 12 because they aren’t east coast academia enough for us.

75-37-5. Now GTFO.

by Peter Bean on Sep 7, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say

There is no way all of those Big 12 schools are ranked above Texas academically

by Pounds on Sep 7, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do think there is some truth to the idea that Texas doesn't want to join the SEC for academics/culture - and you could possibly extend it to the Pac 16 West (if you really stretch).

I think Texas is okay with the Big XII because it is Texas centric and was seen as a stop-gap measure. If we join the Pac 16, that seems pretty permanent and would be unlikely to change.

by Texas Wahoo on Sep 7, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the effort

But what U.S. News has done to academics in the US makes me want to stick a fork in my eye.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Sep 7, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You made this up, because the real USN&WR rankings ...

Have UT #1, aTm #2, Baylor, ISU, Missouri, Kansas…

I’ve always known ags to at least be truthful. Guess I was wrong. Does rage cause you to lose your values?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp%2B50/page+2

by nvrfrgt63 on Sep 7, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

My problem with this quote,

besides ascribing Perry power that he simply doesn’t have, is the idea that the Pac X’s own “center of gravity” wouldn’t move eastward with the addition of the biggest brand in college sports. If you guys join the Pac, I guess subjecting yourselves to journalists that don’t treat college football as a religion comes with the territory.

by AgAstraPerAspera on Sep 7, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

And that would be a problem for Bellmont because?

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see Brown sitting in his office and smiling, dreaming of those reporters and all the PAC-whatever pressers…

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair to Jon Wilner

He is relaying what his sources said. Nonetheless, I was equally shocked to read those comments. My only conclusion is that Larry Scott and the Pac-12 are using Wilner as a mouthpiece much like Dodds used Chip Brown last year. If things don’t work out, neither side wants to look stupid, thus they are both manipulating the story to make it seem neither Texas nor the Pac-12 is interested.

Also, in a weird, cynical way, the more the story is denied, the more likely I think it is to happen.

I support the NBA player's union.

by chowder on Sep 7, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

It'd be a great move

for texas, TT, oklahoma, and OSU.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Sep 7, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not disputing that

In fact, I don’t think the 3 billion dollar media rights deal increases from adding those four schools. Instead the financial benefits arise from a far more valuable conference championship game (it would almost always be a match-up of top 10 teams), and the Pac-12 networks which would have a stellar array of content.

I support the NBA player's union.

by chowder on Sep 7, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

STELLAR INDEED, BoddickerlsClutch! Well done!

by Pounds on Sep 7, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

More Stellaring Content

I support the NBA player's union.

by chowder on Sep 7, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

some day I'm gonna marry that girl

just gotta meet her first.

Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!

by TexasGarcia37 on Sep 7, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

TV rights

PAC tv contract has built in escalators for if/when expansion occurs. That has been stated by official sources. It’s never been said how much exactly, but rumor is payout would go up to around $30 mil per if OU/OSU/UT/TT joined. That’s not including any revenue from PAC-12 networks.

by KitIsh on Sep 7, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

that also doesn't include the Pacific Rim which already loves anything west coast.

the real reason ut is considering this is the potential in the far east, and only the pac12 is situated to benefit financially from it. the sky is the limit internationally with the pac12/16.

by Quacker Backer on Sep 9, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shanghai Jiao Tong Rankings

To quote themselves:

A survey on higher education published by The Economist in 2005 commented ARWU as “the most widely used annual ranking of the world’s research universities”. Burton Bollag, a reporter at Chronicle of Higher Education wrote that ARWU “is considered the most influential international ranking”.

Pac 12: Stanford (2), Cal Berkley (4), Colorado (32)
Big 12-2: Texas (35), aTm (100)
SEC: Vandy (52), UF (72)

http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html

Personally, I would love to be associated with the academics of the Pac-12

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 7, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

They have UT Engineering as 6th in the World.

Which is my discipline and degree. So Im cool with our ranking. =D

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 7, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good perspective from Team Speed Kills

Link

That was for you, Hopkins.

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Sep 7, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Rick Perry at his best...

“NOW, THEREFORE, I, RICK PERRY, Governor of Texas, under the authority vested in me by the Constitution and Statutes of the State of Texas, do hereby proclaim the three-day period from Friday, April 22, 2011 to Sunday, April 24, 2011, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas.”


from an official proclamation. The prayers went unanswered.

by Hippie Killer on Sep 7, 2011 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn, and I'm still gay as a goose

He needs to pray a hell of a lot harder!!!

A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....

by Wrangler86 on Sep 7, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

im sorry

But nothing can top his epic “And you can always follow me on tweeter” quote

formerly "Horns102591"

by horns1025 on Sep 7, 2011 4:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

AP summation

Lot of soundbites in this article.

Burnt Orange Nation
Follow Along on Twitter @TXStampede

by TXStampede on Sep 7, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Baylor, ISU, KU, KSU, and Tech

will only drop their rights to sue if OU reaffirms its commitment to the Big 12….link

by TowerPower on Sep 7, 2011 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess the way out of this mess is clear, then

because the Pac 12 would want a similar waiver for OU. They ain’t getting it. So OU realizes over the next few days that it’s painted itself into a corner and relents, and A&M finally leaves.

by Dagga Roosta on Sep 7, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then everyone stays.

The SEC’s problem will become the Pac 12’s problem as soon as OU tries to bolt for it. Basically, OU’s f*cked. They can choose to keep A&M in tow or they can graciously relent and let A&M go. OU’s not leaving in any case.

by Dagga Roosta on Sep 7, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

WRONG ABOUT TECH

Baylor Tribue is garbage. Tech is not suing anybody. Tech President has gone on record to say so.

Tech, Missouri, OK State, OU, and UT are not suing. The others are.

by jef on Sep 7, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Baylor Tribue?"

Waco Tribune-Herald.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't blame them for trying...

It’s unlikely the Big 12 survives without OU (and to a lesser extent OSU) head West for greener pastures.

That said it seems counterproductive…threatening legal action against one school unless another agrees to “commit” doesn’t help anyone. What school is going to want to join the Big 12? And how can you force commitment anyway? Didn’t A&M “commit” to the Big 12 last year? Hasn’t exactly slowed them down much…

by BurntOrangeForever on Sep 7, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is the minimum to maintain BCS AQ Status?

If the 5 leftover schools – Baylor, ISU, KU, KSU, and Tech were to keep the Big XII moniker could they just absorb the MWC and maintain AQ status?

"I love my haters" -VY

by TheBlanton on Sep 7, 2011 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

no way...after Miami, VA Tech, and BC left the BE...

they only had Rutgers Syracuse WV and Pitt
UConn was upgrading, Lville/Cinncy/USF came from CUSA…

by TowerPower on Sep 7, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

So should the BCS fail to allow the same for Baylor, ISU, KU, KSU, and Tech

as they did for Rutgers Syracuse WV and Pitt, by which i mean "Poach a lesser conference to maintain AQ status…
That would leave them open to one hell of an anti-trust case against the BCS.
No?

"I love my haters" -VY

by TheBlanton on Sep 7, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is the conventional wisdom.

Do all 8 have to have been in the same conference on the previous year?

I seem to remember something on Frank the Tank about 5 teams together for 5 years constitutes a conference.

"I love my haters" -VY

by TheBlanton on Sep 7, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

not anymore

They changed that rule this year.

by bu2 on Sep 7, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tech has other options

Or else they would be holding up A&M just like Baylor, ISU, KU and KSU are.

by jef on Sep 7, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Baylor roadblock . . .

might have become a full on resistance movement: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/aggies/entries/2011/09/07/sec_celebration_postponed.html?cxntfid=blogs_the_12th_word_at_am Viva la resistance! (or at least anything that’s go the Aggies feeling even more disrespected than usual)

by CVictoryJoyously on Sep 7, 2011 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait...

Tech might be suing too?

WTF?

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

in other news....Tech has hired Mike Leach as their attorney....

Seriously, how could Beebe have said the Big XII approves the move if half the freaking conference does not. I guess A&M got bamboozled. Aren’t they the first ones that committed to staying last year and then take it back? Irritating, funny, frustrating, distracting.

A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....

by Wrangler86 on Sep 7, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because Beebe was only speaking on behalf of the conference...

Not the individual schools…which apparently means that he’s in charge of nothing (not exactly a news flash, I know but confirmation is always nice).

On that note, what the flock does this guy do? And how can I become conference commissioner? Apparently it’s a title with no authority or responsibility and actual job performance is deemed irrelevant…throw in a certain six figure salary, the ability to watch college sporting events…it’s like my dream job.

by BurntOrangeForever on Sep 7, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no no....Tech is not suing

Sorry I’m a troll, I was just visiting your blog to have a good laugh at Aggy’s expense but y’all have been referring to dubious sources with regards to Tech. Tech is not suing President Bailey has gone on record to say so. Chip Brown has updated the post that Missouri, Tech, OU, and OSU are not suing neither is Texas I presume.

by jef on Sep 7, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, it's funny and all...

…but do we really want to be in a conference no one wants to be in?

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other than Baylor, of course

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw a rumor that said the Big Ten had told Texas they’d be interested in them even with the LHN in its current form. That would be a major kick in the ass to Nebraska

formerly "Horns102591"

by horns1025 on Sep 7, 2011 5:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

done and done

Texas ND OU and KU (just to piss off MU)

by TowerPower on Sep 7, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure we do

All it akes is full committment from it’s members. Add 3 more teams, make an iron clad contract with a paralyzing penalty clause and we are good to go.

Why is everyone so damned dead set to abandon the conference – expecially Texas, as we are in the cats bird seat?

"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn

by Snide Aside on Sep 7, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmao

ESPN just showed A&M’s record against the SEC .477 or something like that

formerly "Horns102591"

by horns1025 on Sep 7, 2011 5:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

They only count what makes them look good

So… They’re starting fresh with a clean record once/if they go to the SEC.

by GoHorns on Sep 7, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did an overall comparison

A&M has the 3rd best overall win/loss % record in the current Big XII-II. And has done squat.

A&M has the 7th best overall win/loss % record in the current $EC, with ARK being a smidgeon behind them.

A&M will re-design their uniforms and will be dominate I tell you.

A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....

by Wrangler86 on Sep 7, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

look at Big 12 only

A&M #6 of 12 at 64-56

In the last 10 years they are #8 at 37-43 and that’s only because they passed KSU last year.

by bu2 on Sep 7, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

New wild-ass theory

Long time lurker, first time poster. I’ve fully donned my tinfoil hat; and, since my wife hates it when I run around without any, tinfoil underwear as well. I’ll say first and foremost that, while a proud UT alum, I have no affiliation whatsoever with anyone of note in the UT athletics department. I have absolutely zero insider knowledge. On the other hand, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, which I figure makes me perfectly qualified to post something crazy to a fan-blog site. So, here goes:

I know that there have been a series of Billion-Dollar-Bevo posts over at BC and the next one is supposed to address how the LHN might be fit into the PAC-mumble model. That guy is way smarter than I am but the simple fact that tier-1 and tier-2 rights are shared between fox and ESPN make it messy in my view. I’m sure it’s doable, as all things are negotiable, but messy, especially with ESPN having first right of refusal for re-negotiated tier-1/2 rights on Texas games.

My theory is that Big 10 is a better fit. Their football traditions are awesome; they’re a traditional power struggling to remain relevant against the PAC and SEC juggernauts, and they have an exclusive with ESPN on tier 1 rights, which I think gives both us and ESPN a bit more wiggle room come negotiating time. The three broad points of a deal that I believe is possible are these: 1) tier 1 gets played on ABC/ESPN per what’s normal for Big 10, 2) Texas plays tier 2 on BTN but at reduced (foregone?) revenue, in exchange for 3) Texas keeps LHN intact for tier 3.

The downsides I see are 1) travel (why is no Big10 school located near a major airport?), 2) weather (GD it’s cold up there); and 3) the loss of RRR (I’ve already resigned myself to losing the A&M game).

The advantages I see are these: 1) extremely strong academics with Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan all in the ARWU top 25; 2) wonderful football tradition with great rivalries; 3) an annual ND game, assuming the whole super-conference thing drives ND back home; and 4) access to midwest lineman in recruiting, which helps with 5) it forces us to have a legitimate running game; 6) research grants shared across Big10 schools help to offset any LHN revenue loss; and 7) lucky #7, saving the best for last, we get back to ruining Nebraska’s hopes and dreams every year.

Why is no one other than someone whose genitals are wrapped in tinfoil pitching such a thing?

by tx2step on Sep 7, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny...

…my first-ever post on BON also was to jump in a few years back and chime in as to why I thought that the Big 10 made sense for Texas.

(Oh, and welcome aboard.)

I think the short, simplistic answer for which I only have time today is that the Powers That Be at the university, for whatever reason, have decided that we’re not a good cultural fit for the Big 10. I hope learned is around and has more time, but that’s the only short answer I have for why we’ve never seemingly been serious about the Big 10 but have at least flirted repeatedly with the Pac Whatever.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

It strikes me as deeper than that

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could also be

that two-thirds of the whole f*cking conference will sue us (breach of contract) and the Big 10 (tortious interference) if we try to leave before the conference dissolves on its own. Today’s M.A.D.-inspired events do not portend well for a near-term exit by anyone to any conference.

by Dagga Roosta on Sep 7, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, for the record..

I totally get how Texas is and would remain happy with the current Big-12-2 setup, so please don’t take my initial post as an advocacy for spearheading the breakup of the conference. It’s more that, even as much as this has been discussed over the past several weeks/months, I’ve seen little if any mention of Big-10 membership as an alternative path for Texas if indeed the big-bang of re-a-fucking-lignment actually happens. It seems both doable and attractive to me, so I’m curious as to why it hasn’t been explored (or at least speculated on) more.

by tx2step on Sep 7, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt there are meaningful "cultural" differences in the literal sense

I would speculate, however, that it’s based on an anticipated loss of power and influence, despite our market value. Going to the Big 10 would be a long-term move, and for all the good feelings at the outset, the fact is that in any future contentious discussions, Texas would be outnumbered and easily viewed as the “outsider.” We eventually took over the Big 12, but we can’t do that to the Big 10. It might be another thing if we were going as part of a group/future voting bloc, but I see OU as our only true partner in such a move.

That being said, UT, OU, ND, & [who cares] to the Big 10 = ultimate realignment win.

by a0nyme on Sep 7, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is UT tied to TTU?

I live out of state now so I don’t see it. It seems to me that TAMU should be just as tied to TTU.

I also don’t see why the Pac 12 has to go to 16 teams. Their best play would be to just take UT and OU. OSU and TTU don’t add anything really. You only take them if they’re the price for getting UT and OU.

by Galen Kim Davis on Sep 7, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Visual explanation

UT’s coat:

aggy’s coat:

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As for explaining why the Big 10 isn't more serious

Anyone’s guess is as good as mine, and they may have more time than I at the moment. There’s an impressive amount of institutional familiarity with the Big 10 for the requisite decision makers – though the Pac 10 ties may be a bit deeper.

Politically, the move to the Pac 10 seems easier, without apparent objections to OU, OSU, and Tech (though we shall see). As long as the CIC and the Big 10 maintain such a close relationship, it seems conceivable (perhaps likely, given the rumored considerations) that the academic side of the house might keep our friends out and therefore preclude a move in that direction.

Props to anyone on this board who uses the ARWU as an academic ranking metric. It’s highly imperfect, but it at least considers potentially relevant factors (though mostly for graduate/post-graduate education)

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Sep 7, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks HH

I’m not really sure what “not a cultural fit” means, but I certainly have no data to argue that’s what has held it back. To The Powers that Be (since they must read this blog), I’d say 1) They have a good academic focus, we have a good academic focus, 2) they make cheese, we like cheese, 3) they like beating Nebraska, we’re really good at beating Nebraska. I’ve personally seen relationships based on much, much less.

by tx2step on Sep 7, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

#3....LOL

My Nebraska friends would crap a blue butterball bean…

That said, for some reason I just don’t see the Big 10, no real reason, just don’t.

Plus we’ve basically lost the A&M game, the idea of losing the RRS is just…depressing.

by BurntOrangeForever on Sep 7, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

not a cultural fit means...

we don’t want to play half of our football games in a blizzard

by Quacker Backer on Sep 9, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re travel
why is no Big10 school located near a major airport?

Northwestern is. Minnesota is. American and Continental fly direct to Columbus from DFW and Houston, respectively. I don’t know about the other schools, but there are shuttles to Champaign-Urbana from O’Hare and to Bloomington from Indy, and I think from Detroit to Ann Arbor as well. I don’t think that’s too big of an issue.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Sep 7, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

What was your first BON post about?

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, grossly over-simplifying

I travel for a living so I have a general love/hate relationship with traveling through the midwest. That tips way more towards hate, btw, in months between October and February.

by tx2step on Sep 7, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Appropos of nothing

The psychedelic tunnel in Mcnamara at Detroit Int’l is a compelling reason for Big 10 travel.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Sep 7, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most maddening place on earth when you are running late

It is like they pulled together a team of psychiatrists to consult on how to make your airport experience as stressful as possible.

I am on Twitter @jeffchaley

by Reggieball on Sep 7, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always have that problem with Denver International

and their damn subway.

And if the sonofabitches are gone, then it is goodbye. Good enough. nt-whills

by run Bevo run on Sep 7, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had a similar experience, different reaction

I was on my way to Albany to be interviewed/sworn in to the NY bar with very little time between connecting flights. The non-sequitor of the chic airport and the moscow dance club tunnel was amusing, and relaxing given the circumstances.

I imagine there’s quality people watching around it, but it would get old by the second quick connecting flight.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Sep 7, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just there this weekend

That thing is a seizure waiting to happen

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

DTW to Ann Arbor

Is at most twenty minutes. Before we go throwing stones, how close are College Station, Stillwater, Manhattan or Lawrence, or Ames to a “major airport”?

by nvrfrgt63 on Sep 7, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Big 10 is just too damned cold!

"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn

by Snide Aside on Sep 7, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love this idea, but does Jim Delany?

Seems JD considered this before the Nebraska move, which left the Big 10 with their only non-AAU member (tee hee!, still chuckling over the irony of this one). I think it would certainly be a better fit than Nebraska academically, and I like the “Rose Bowl, Rose Bowl” chant.

by BurntOrange&Blue on Sep 8, 2011 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

no

Going over to his site only encourages him to come over to this site

formerly "Horns102591"

by horns1025 on Sep 7, 2011 5:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just went over there

There is a post (not from BG) but on the site trying to rally Aggies to call their legislatures to stop a $10M Education Equalization Grant to BAYLOR….LOL…..the humanity!!

A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....

by Wrangler86 on Sep 7, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

So they wanna punish the students of Baylor for something they have no control over? And the Aggies say we are unfair?

formerly "Horns102591"

by horns1025 on Sep 7, 2011 6:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not a texan at all

But why would anyone want public money going to a private school when money is short everywhere?

by UW11Bowdown on Sep 7, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a clue in the world what that grant is about

I just thought it funny that A&M is trying to mount a counter-attack over some grant. They clearly are not genuises at the game of warfare.

A&M: Ready,Set, Go.....

by Wrangler86 on Sep 7, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

couldn’t get an A in Cow Parts 101 if you spotted him everything but the udder

That’s because he was focused on other anatomy.

by divinebovine on Sep 7, 2011 6:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Kay Hutchison

Is that you?

"I love my haters" -VY

by TheBlanton on Sep 7, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

My realignment proposal:

EVERYONE TO THE SEC.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

120 team superconference.

by paperjames on Sep 7, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

With a playoff to determine conference champion

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boise is in the conference

Only ND is indy.

National champion is winner of SEC vs. ND every year.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Sep 7, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Result

Likely the same as every other recent ND v SEC matchup

by paperjames on Sep 7, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and with that last concession, ND agrees to terms

Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:

"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Sep 7, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very nicely done

QB Garrett Gilbert was the Beavis & Butthead episode of the 2010 college football season. Even when things were going well there was always one bad decision that meant he wasn’t going to score.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1070636.html

by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Must read

Rick Perry Talks About Texas A&M’s Move to the SEC

My apologies if this involves too much presidential talk, Perry bashing and the like.

"History lesson: Everything bad that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the South. Everything good that has happened to Texas has been due to its association with the West." -- Paul Burka, Senior Executive Editor of Texas Monthly

by Hopkins Horn on Sep 7, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Perry is an idiot. Ask any teacher in the state of Texas. In other news...

I’m watching BYU vs Ole Miss on the CSS Network..i.e. The Sec Network if you live in the Southeast.

BYU is big on Offensive Line. Going to be an interesting game!

by Dawnpatrol on Sep 7, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Any conservative farmer on the TTC corridor between SA and Dallas would agree. This is not a liberal/conservative thing. I’m just amazed that someone who gets 38% of the vote as a Republican in Texas thinks he’s popular. But then he is a former Aggie yell leader-explains everything. Winning % of 46% in Big 12 over last 10 years-Aggies must be national power.

by bu2 on Sep 7, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, in case it's not abundantly clear

I’m kidding

http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON

by 40AS on Sep 7, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smarter then an aggie?

If its rick perry, yes, good for him that he is the position his in, but smart enough to be in command, please!!

by armyjo66 on Sep 7, 2011 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Love it!

“We are being held hostage right now,” Loftin said of being forced to stay in the Big 12. “Essentially, we’re being told that you must stay here against your will and we think that really flies in the face of what makes us Americans for example and makes us free people.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/33138/am-president-we-are-being-held-hostage

by Dawnpatrol on Sep 7, 2011 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I would ask what their stance is on capitalism, but I think we all know the answer to that.

by GoHorns on Sep 7, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Same thought has occurred to me

So their big complaint is that the Big XII has too little socialism and too much benefit is accruing to those who bring the most monetary value. How’s that for traditional values?

by Galen Kim Davis on Sep 7, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing is for certain....

A&M will never win the SEC Hottest Cheerleaders Championship!

by Dawnpatrol on Sep 7, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Wonder how or if they will be included

in all of those “girls of the SEC” websites and calendars
.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 7, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m laughing at the thought…

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Sep 7, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. That would hurt my eyes. nt.

"We are Texas. We always expect to be the best." - Sam Acho

by Bevoboy94 on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the ags

They simply cannot get out of their own way. They remind of a guy I played golf with once – he actually believed he was a low 80’s player while, in fact, he had never shot below 90 in his life – aggy personified.

"Bye bye love, bye, bye happiness - hello, emptiness, I think I'm gonna cry" aggy war hymn

by Snide Aside on Sep 7, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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