David Ash
After the Cal game, I was very critical David Ash's play and I bashed him on this site. I would like to say I was wrong for that. After watching the game again, I realized he actually played pretty well. He made the correct reads on the zone reads, and he threw the ball accurately. He has gotten a lot better from where he was at the start of the season. I can understand why the coaches are excited about him. I think as he will get even better as he gets more reps with his WRs. Mack noted that he didn't get much work with them in the summer and I'm sure he didn't get that much work with them during the season with the yo yoing we were doing at QB1.
I came into the season with really high expectations for him because of everything he did at Belton last year. I was disappointed he was flustered and wasn't very accurate. But after sitting back and thinking about it, I remembered that Colt had a redshirt year under VY before he stepped into the job, and even VY was not all that good in his RS Freshman season. I'm looking forward to seeing how much better Ash gets over the Spring and Summer, and looking forward to seeing him continue in the footsteps of the great UT signal callers before him. With basically the entire offense returning, we should take a giant step forward this Fall after a Spring and Summer of working together in the new offense. And even though we lose Acho, Randall and Robinson on defense, we return a great secondary and lot of guys who played and played well in spot duty at LB and DT. I'm very excited about this team going into next season.
I'll leave y'all with a Holiday Bowl highlight video. A shaggy poster makes these videos. He has made one for every game and has some player ones as well. You can find the videos on Youtube. Happy New Year!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pennNyVUrCY&feature=related
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Analysis of Ash
In my opinion our fanbase is conditioned to believe we must have an other worldly QB to be successful under Mack. Mack’s only conference championships were when Vince & Colt performed at superhuman levels. In years when we got good to very good QB play we came up short. One of Mack’s stated objectives with the sweeping changes of last year was to eliminate dependance on any one player, particularly the QB. Heretofore we relied on superior players, not schemes & players.
David Ash appears to have the skills to be a good to very good QB. In high school he was a very accomplished passer. He has the proper strength,size & speed. By all accounts he is a great young man & leader who the other players believe in. He is smart, intense & competitive. He hasn’t complained or pouted. The ony fair analysis of Ash is not vs other current college QBs but against other true freshman QBs surrounded by similar circumstances.
What Ash did not have was ANY college experience, no skins on the wall, a competent offensive line, good or consistent WR play, healthy, experienced RBs (after Missouri), or another QB on the roster to mentor him. As of today he has experience & a couple of skins on the wall. Almost never does a freshman QB perform consistently well. Have any of us performed at our top level of performance our first year out of UT or in any subsequent employment? Did we need experience to get better? Under normal conditions this should have been a redshirt or training year.
All of us are looking forward to next year & hopes that Ash will improve. He should play better but the results of our season are not solely dependant on Ash’s improvement. Our 2009 team is the only championship team from any school I remember with a lousy offensive line & that only happened because Colt & Shipley were extroidinary & Nebraska had no offense. If our oline isn’t substantially better Ash, Gray, Bergeron, Brown, Shipley, etc won’t win a championship.
I like Ash as a player & what I know of him as a person. I like him representing my school. I hope & believe he will be successful as our QB if he isn’t first eaten alive by our fans.
Wow - sound, patient perspective!
A Vince Young comes around about once every 30 years. Many teams have won at a high level with “darn good” college QBs. Alabama makes a habit of doing so. From what I saw of Ash in the Cal game, I think he could be a “darn good” college QB, “if he isn’t first eaten alive by our fans.”
Good post.
oh hail the Purple and White
Hat tip for acknowledging change of opinion
I have posted repeatedly that David Ash is a true Freshman! He was in High School last year this time. He wasn’t expected to be our starter this year, so he probably didn’t even get that many snaps in the Summer/Fall. He has done an amazing job and he should be very, very proud. He is clearly our future.
The start of the Cal game reminded me of last year, and I’m glad Harsin has owned it. He obviously corrected it later in the game.
The O-Line looked lousy at first, but we do have a JUCO coming in right now, and some top O-line talent (not GDGD talent).
Brewer is going to be a really good, and I like having Overstreet too.
My magic 8 ball says all points to good things for Longhorn Nation. Happy New Year.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
That is all good............
but Mack has taken us through seasons where he has no backup and that would mean you would have to take the ability of Ash to run out of the game plan.
It is clear Brewer wants to redshirt and Overstreet probably needs to also.
We need a backup that can help Ash.Now I don’t think anyone wants to have to depend on McCoy after what he showed against a Baylor D that let thier bowl game opponent drop 56 points on them.
Will Case leave?Most hope so if the accounts of his and his father’s tudes are true.
We need to rent a QB for a year.Where will we get one?We don’t need a progress stopper but Ash shouldn’t mind competing for the starting position if he is the kind of player we hope he is.
by TCB Orange Dino on Jan 1, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions
As a Texans fans I completely agree
We should have done some better evaluating, but we also need to do a better job of continuing to recruit our enrolled players. There was no reason for Wood to transfer and some of this QBs are just too impatient. Work hard, learn the playbook, and sooner or later you will have a shot.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
My take
I can understand Wood leaving at the time that he left, he was #4 on the depth chart behind a Junior, a Sophomore and a Freshman. I honestly thought that Connor Wood was going to start for us as a true Freshman. I remember telling some friends that during the national title game in 09 that I thought the job would be Wood’s going into the next Fall. I guess the staff didn’t like what they saw out of him. He was behind a guy who was called the best high school quarterback to ever come out of the state of Texas and a legacy, so that decision made sense. I can understand Case leaving because he will be a Junior next season and he doesn’t want to sit on the bench another year. The coaching staff wasted his eligibility his first year, so it’s partly their fault.
I would like to see Brewer redshirted and Overstreet be the backup next year. I think Overstreet is a good enough athlete to help us immediately. He can run some wildcat and even come in and throw to keep the defense off balance. I would also like to see Onyebule work in at QB some. Him or Harris. Just to make sure we have other guys who know the offense just in case something crazy happens
Slight correction
Gilbert was a Cal legacy, not a UT legacy. His dad, Gale, was the winning QB in the ’82 Cal – Stanford game with the famous ending running through the Stanford band for the winning score.
Losing QB that day? John Elway.
I was talking about Case McCoy
“…He was behind a guy who was called the best high school quarterback to ever come out of the state of Texas and a legacy…”
2 separate QBs. Maybe I should have emphasized the ‘and’ more.
Watched two Baylor games
Our game against Baylor was winnable if we don’t have all the TOs by Case.
Watched Baylor D get sliced and diced by Washington.Yeah Washington!
I have seen no improvement in Case but Ash seems to have learned to manage the game better as the season went along.
If Karam will accept a schollie for a year we have some insurance if Ash goes down.IMHO it’s a win win situation for all involved except McCoy.
by TCB Orange Dino on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions
unfair
Its unfair to say Case didn’t do well, he won against the Aggies and almost came back against k state, he doesn’t have the upside that Ash has, but he i’snt horrible, and he also had 3 tds against Baylor, it was just an awful 2nd half for him.
Giving him credit for the Aggies...
Not sure about that. The defense won us that game with the help of their 4 TOs. Our TDs were due to Byndom’s INT TD, Diggs’ huge punt return, and Shipley’s trick play TD pass. Case wasn’t really involved in any of these.
Ash could’ve probably won the game as well given how many 3 and outs we started with and how anemic the offense was….3rd down conversions: 4/17
I don't think either QB deserves any credit for any wins this year
The rhetoric is about which QB is worse, not which one is better, for good reason.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 2, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Case is what he is..........
a noodle armed,slow footed but mentally sound QB.As I stated above Baylor’s D stinks so he really was sort of horrible with all those turnovers.
I really hope he transfers because if he is our starter the boo birds will eventually come out just like they did with Gilbert.I think none of us would like to see another Horn player booed.
Team philosophy change...
I hope… what I heard Mack convey a while back is true…that we are going to get back to smash mouth football ala Ricky, Ced B & Jamal . If this does come to pass it will make it much easier on the QB no matter who it is.
It was nice to have Colt and VY and the big plays they delivered, but it was also nice watching the O line grind people into the ground and the RB’s start chewing up huge chunks of yardage in the 3rd quater….
Obviously a lot of that depends on shaping up the effectiveness of the OL
I’m not as confident in Searels as many here are, but I’m quite hopeful that he’ll effect some positive changes.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 6, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Jamal definitely wasn't part of a "smash mouth" system
He spent his freshman year situationally spelling VY (and destroying defenses who were forced to watch Vince the whole game), and then the next two trying to break runs out of shotgun to the outside of an offensive line that couldn’t run block worth shit. And he did it well.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Not a pounder by any means....
but to his credit Jamal stuck his his 187 lb nose up the middle more than a few times. He was not going to run over anyone but he wasnt afraid to try it if given a chance…The system at the time (zone read) is a run first scheme, Im not sure what the run to pass ratio was during that time but I would be willing to bet it was > 65/35%.

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