Sundays with Bill, Official Visit Weekend Edition
Texas held an official visit weekend this weekend for the committed recruits who were unable to attend during Banquet Weekend. Johnathan Gray, Kennedy Estelle, Caleb Bluiett, and Jalen Overstreet all attended. As did Texas target 2012 Mesquite Horn TE Vincent Hobbs.
The off season also has begun in earnest as the Texas payers grind through Bennie Wylie's work outs.
Talking points:
* DGB Thoughts. Walk back from the ledge, Texas is still in it. I'll explain why.
* Daje Johnson will visit Texas on the 28th. Texas needs another offensive playmaker in this class.
* How will Texas finish the 2012 class? I have a prediction.
* The Raulersons take a photography tour across the 40 Acres. Yeah I'd say it looks pretty, pretty good.
* 2013 recruiting is humming away. I'll have a complete Junior Day visitor list. A new JD1 visitor confirmed today.Needs and wants in the 2013 class.
* The off season is here. Early enrollees, Longhorns looking to improve their draft stock, players that must have a good off season.
I'm ready to go, fire away Citizens.
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Junior Day
First Junior Day Visitors
Confirmed
QB, Tyrone Swoopes, Whitewright
RB, Dontre Wilson, DeSoto
WR, Jake Oliver, Dallas Jesuit
WR, Ra’Shaad Samples, Dallas Skyline
OL, Darius James, Killeen Harker Heights
OL, Kent Perkins, Richardson Lake Highlands
OL, Ishmael Wilson, Dallas Bishop Dunne
OL, Josh Thomas, Evangel Christian (Shreveport, LA)
OL/DL, Jake Raulerson, Celina
OL/DL, A’Shawn Robinson, FW Arlington Heights
DT, Isaiah Golden, Elysian Fields
DT, Justin Manning, Dallas Kimball
DT, Vincent Taylor, San Antonio Madison
DE, Deon Hollins, Jr., Fort Bend Marshall
LB, Naashon Hughes, Killeen Harker Heights
DB, Will Barrows, Dallas Skyline
DB, Kameron Miles, West Mesquite
ATH, Ricky Seals-Jones, Sealy
Maybe
DE, DJ Ward, Lawton (Lawton, OK)
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 4:51 PM CST reply actions
Have you received any feedback for the JD! visitors?
I think we are all intersted in these 3 in particular:
Swoopes
Raulerson
Seals-Jones
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
DGB
First things first, Texas has not been eliminated. The Beckhams have assured each of the finalists that they would be notified if they were eliminated. Texas has not received that phone call.
DGB did make an official visit to Arkansas this weekend. The newest rumor is that DGB favors Arkansas, but his family prefers that he choose another school. This could be the reason Mizzou is squarely back in the picture. They feel like a POSSIBLE compromise school.
Mack will make has his in home visit planned for next week. The visit hasn’t been formally scheduled yet. DGB will likely visit Mizzou this coming weekend.
Mack will have to hit it out of the park during his in home visit.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
so
What is your gut feeling Bill?
by Stahldog on Jan 22, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gut feeling
I think the true finalist are the schools he’s made official visits to. It sounds like Arkansas, Texas and soon to be Mizzou. As I said Mizzou could be the compromise school, that’s something to watch. As far DGB’s girlfriend,well that’s his business. I don’t know much about her other than she plays basketball at a small school in Missouri.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why would Texas not be the compromise?
The way you word this makes it sound like his family doesn’t want Arky and DGB doesn’t want Texas, thus Mizzou would be a compromise. If that’s the case then we can forget it. If he doesn’ want to come here and his family’s only criteria is that he doesn’t go to Arky then I see no way he picks us.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Not Bill, but
I would assume the issue is academics. Arkansas is not a good academic choice but Missouri is. Texas is simply farther away than the other two.
but the odds of Mizzou winning a Championship are so low they are next to the earth's core
In The Morning To You
Ha, ha, ha - well said!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
That's not necessarily at the top of his priorities
And even if it is, the odds of any particular school’s winning a BCS championship during DGB’s collegiate career are still small. You figure there will be 3-5 championships won over that span, and established contenders like LSU, Alabama, and Oregon are probably the ones with the best chances of winning one in that window. Texas has only won one BCS championship in the Mack Brown era or DGB’s lifetime, so while the odds might be higher there than at Mizzou or Arkansas, they’re still not high, and certainly that delta isn’t large enough that it seems likely to make a large difference for a recruit.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I guess my point is why are we even still in the running if...
his parents only criteria is “not Arky” and DGB wants whatever school is close to home (and maybe girlfriend).
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Aha - methinks I was right about the GF!
The newest rumor is that DGB favors Arkansas, but his family prefers that he choose another school.
Maybe the family would like to do a little separation? Maybe?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
If he prefers Arkie, then that seems to indicate his priorities
Arkansas offers an established offense with a proven HC, proven OC, humming offense, better QB situation for 2012, and a proven ability to manage QB succession. That succession management issue could be an important one to a receiver who wants to ensure someone’s going to get him the ball, and Brandon Allen was reportedly looking very good in practices (especially in bowl season, when he received extra work) as he redshirted in 2011.
On the other hand, Texas offers an extremely successful WR coach in Wyatt, as well as a pretty clear depth chart at WR and one of the nation’s most visible programs—LHN carrier jokes aside, of course.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Why resort to that?
Arkansas offers a guy like DGB a lot. Can’t you see that?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not resorting to anything. Just pointing out a fact.
Look, I simply think you are overrating their situations. I think you’ve done the same thing with Thomas Johnson and Oregon (Bryan Bennett). Just because Allen looks good in practice doesn’t mean he’s Arkansas is going to have good succession at QB. Sure, Arkansas offers DGB something. That goes without saying. But to act like Arkansas offers more than Texas is outlandish, and I’m trying to be as unbiased as I can be.
Out of all your points listed, I think the difference is negligible. If it was such a huge gap, we wouldn’t be in the hunt. You underrate both our HC and OC (Harsin is proven, that is an undeniable fact). We also have a proven ability to succeed QBs. That’s a fact. We have a far better, proven winning history.
You underrate us, you overrate Arkansas. Is he likely to go there? Maybe, but don’t shortchange us.
How is it outlandish?
Look at Arkansas’ production in the passing game, especially at WR. Texas hasn’t had that, and hasn’t since the days when completely different guys were in charge of the passing game.
It’s far from undeniable that Harsin is proven. What has he proven?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I checked.
There were 3 WR drafted in the last decade+. Matt Jones (…), Marcus Monk, Damian Williams. Not exactly world-beaters. There are a lot of offenses out there that throw the ball quite a bit. We have had plenty of WR production in the not too long ago past. Shipley, Cosby, Sweed, etc etc.
It’s obvious you don’t rate Harsin very high. Mack and the board and everyone involved in decision-making thinks he is proven based upon what he has done at Boise St. That’s all that needs to be said.
Matt Jones
was a QB, so that really does not count. So the tally is very unimpressive.
just a thought
but 2012 is here soon enough. If I asked anyone on the street to pick the Big 12 winner and SEC winner in 2014. Do you think Arkansas would get more votes than Texas?
Red herring
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
why?
that is DGB’s junior yr. That is the yr he needs to have his best team around him. Too many of these arguments are based on the last 2 yrs and not the forward projections. That is the reason Michigan still got recruits and USC got a nice class lat yr. Kids tend to bet on programs, because it is the logical thing to do.
His priorities might not be to have the best odds of winning a conference championship
Forward projections? Well, Arkansas had a great year passing the football, just like they did the previous two years. They’ll almost certainly have another great year in 2012, and if Petrino’s track record is any indication, they will in 2013-2015 as well. A receiver is generally very dependent on quarterback production and system, and it’s anyone’s guess how the Texas QB position is going to look over the next 3-4 seasons.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
maybe
but GT has put more 1st rnd wrs in the league than UT and Arkie combined in the last 5 yrs
Yes, two, and neither Johnson nor Thomas chose GT in the Paul Johnson era
Chan Gailey, former NFL assistant and head coach, was the head coach at that time. You weren’t going to leave that part out, were you?
Also, Thomas considered transferring when Paul Johnson was hired. Megatron never played a down under the option coach.
There’s also Stephen Hill, who looks more like a 3rd-rd. guy at this point. But if you’re implying that a VHT doesn’t mind choosing a rushing-focused offense, and want to point toward Stephen Hill, please note that Hill was a middling recruit with offers from UNC, Miss St., Ole Miss, BC, UAB, and UCF, so he wasn’t exactly in high demand from any team that knew how to throw the ball. Combine this with the fact that CJ and DT chose to play under Gailey/Nix, not Paul Johnson, and I’m not sure what you’re saying by pointing out the GT thing.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Do you not look things up?
McElroy wasn’t even the QB when Jones committed to Alabama. John Parker Wilson was, and he was coming off his second straight year of 2700+yds. and 17+TDs, and DJ Hall had just graduated after posting consecutive 1000+yd. receiving seasons.
If you’re arguing that Jones chose Alabama because of a shiny, sunny future, he probably didn’t, considering they were just wrapping up a 7-6 year that concluded with four straight losses, including to Louisiana-Monroe. From all appearances, he chose Alabama because he’s an Alabama boy whose favorite program was, well, Alabama. Oh, and they had just hired Jim McElwain was a John L. Smith disciple just like Bobby Petrino was, to supplant Major when Saban wanted to edge him out of the job.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to go by your
slippery slope of an argument that Jones was looking past Wilson as to who was next.
Pay attention to your own argument.
JPW had a year left, yes
It’s anyone’s guess what he thought the cupboard looked like at QB thereafter, if he was paying attention.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Well that's my point.
A player of DGB’s calibre (who’s talent is up there with Julio Jones) probably isn’t worried about our QBs or the fact that we run the ball alot (although that’s a misconception).
I said production, not draft picks.
And obviously you don’t know much about Arkansas if you think it’s the same offense that Houston Nutt ran.
As for Mack and the decision-makers, I’m glad to see you give them such deference. I’ll be sure to remind you of it next time I see you disagree with them on anything.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Dude, “production” is such a subjective term. Coming from a “truther” as you like to claim, I’m surprised you would throw that out there. SO, because you vaunt the Arkansas offense so much, how do you define “production”? Because you think it’s so good, I’m assuming you were talking about draft picks. How did you actually mean it then?
What a classy and astute comment coming from you. You obviously think different about Harsin. I will “defer” to them, over you, any day of the week.
"truther"?
Production? An average of 3711yds. and 32 touchdowns per season over the past three years. That’s production. What’s so hard about that? Did you not even bother looking at the stats Arkie has put up in the passing game before claiming " ‘production’ is such a subjective term"?
Draft picks aren’t production. How could you possibly interpret that as what I meant?
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
We aren't talking about overall offensive production here.
That kind of production has a lot of factors that go into it, hence why I said it’s subjective. A good passing offense relies on a lot of factors, but we are ONLY talking about WR here, because we are talking about DGB.
I’ve looked up the stats. But you think JUST the QBs in the system and WRs in the system lead to passing production. That is simply not the case.
Also, you obviously just skimmed my post
There are a lot of offenses out there that throw the ball quite a bit. We have had plenty of WR production in the not too long ago past. Shipley, Cosby, Sweed, etc etc.
Seriously, did you not read the following thing I said in the very post to which you were responding?
Texas hasn’t had that, and hasn’t since the days when completely different guys were in charge of the passing game.
The offensive assistants responsible for that production are no longer with Texas. Arkansas, on the other hand, does have the assistants who have groomed Jairus Wright, Joe Adams, Greg Childs, and the up-and-coming Cobi Hamilton. Furthermore, it’s the same guys who coached Arkie to three consecutive 3600+yd. passing seasons, with passing TD totals of 32, 36, and 26. If you were a kid with zero connection with Texas, and wanted to have the best chance of producing, would you honestly choose Texas over Arkansas?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
If I may interject?
The argument here seems to be whether DGB picks UT or Arky depends primarily on if he believes he can be more productive at Arky or UT.
Is this really HIS decision and is it really the criteria for school selection?
There have been two things that have had a consistant drum beat throughout his recrutiment and that has been distance from home and whether or not UT will have a decent passing game.
Arkansas seems to fit that bill more readily than UT.
In 40A’s defense, he is correct in saying that UT is far superior as a college – in academics AND football program. But, I’m not sure that is going to make a difference as it still doesn’t override his primary requirements and he may feel that Arky is good enough.
And, I still believe the coup de gras will be the girlfriend – at least as far as DGB is concerned – not sure about his family.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
What's your point?
We haven’t had that kind of production in the passing game on year one!? What point is that? You aren’t educating anybody on that. It’s year 1 of different staff, offensively. What’s your point?
I get it, you don’t have faith in Harsin’s offensive season. That’s fine. But I will say this again. If it was as serious as you think or say through your comments, we would no longer be a player with DGB.
My point is he has the chance to go to a proven, successful passing offense rather than an unproven, unknown, possibly running-focused one
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well I will tell you this:
Mack is gonna go in there and show him what Harsin has done in the passing game. You don’t agree that Harsin is proven. His past has.
Mack is gonna go in there and tell him that Julio Jones had no problem getting his numbers in a run-focused offense.
The offense isn’t unknown. I guarantee you that Mack/Harsin/Applewhite no plenty about it.
Mack is a recruiting magician
And we have a pretty good idea what Mack will try to impress on DGB and his family as far as our offense.
Now, if you are Petrino, how do you sell against UT? This is what we need to be concerned with. Our credentials are set – what makes Arky more attractive and how would you weave it?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
From an Arkansas standpoint,
I would go all out on the points that boh mentions. Are they necessarily true? No. Will they work? Maybe.
I just think he overrates what they have to offer, beside the basic geography type pitches.
You are preaching to the choir
About the advantages of our university over theirs. The problem is Arky is between us and Missouri, geography wise, and this may very well sink us.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Another thing - concerning offenses
We have a helluva selling point in this area. Our system is EXCITING – Arky is….meh!
What kid wouldn’t want to play in the Boise system?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Right.
And if that were the case, I would understand. Geographically, they are better. So that makes sense.
You know, I didn't think of this until now
Petrino could try to sell the SEC over the Big XII as well – citing stability and prestige. In fact, he could belabor the point that our conference is UNSTABLE.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
That could be true,
but Mack could easily say we have two great universities joining and cite the agreement for a long-term Big12.
Joe Adams
projected to be the 19th wr taken and Jarius Wright the 17th. If the goal is the NFL than prehaps you should look at the system. Petrino has had a ton of high profile offenses and I can not think of one high draft pick during that time. Lets look at NFL. How many solid pro WRs come out of the spread vs standard offense.
Again, you're getting hung up on the NFL draft
And neither Texas nor Arkansas runs a “standard” offense. Sigh.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
It's a bet better
than your semblance of understanding. You think QBs and WRs alone define the passing game. How wrong you are.
Why don't you explain it to me, smart guy?
The passing game is obviously about more than QBs and WRs, and I never said it wasn’t. But the fact is that Arkansas has a passing game that has averaged 3711yds. and 32 touchdowns the past three years. Texas is an unknown quantity in the passing game, and could well turn out to be a rushing offense. So explain to me what you think I’m missing, because if there’s something other than WRs and QBs that’s important to a successful passing game, then Arkansas is probably doing that better as well right now. Can you honestly name even a single thing that Texas does better in the passing game than Arkansas does? I wish I could, but there isn’t anything at this point.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
LOL - we are getting alittle too heated - all of us are on the same side, right?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
You're probably right
But I do think it’s important to note that a non-UT fan isn’t going to presume justifiable optimism like most here would. Guys who want to produce and have a safer bet to do so might not want to take a chance with an unknown quantity.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
But it’s very easy to argue he wouldn’t be “taking a chance with an unknown quantity”. I try to be civil with you, but I don’t appreciate being called a hypocrite, inference or not.
It's not easy to argue that, as long as one remains objective
You think the Texas offense isn’t an unknown quantity? How do you figure?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Does this need to be asked?
Do you watch the offense at all? We were VERY successful in the run game, the offensive line made great improvement toward the end of the year. All the same things that have been said on this board. You are just being ignorant because it doesn’t back up your argument. Surprise. Your signature is surprising.
Great, successful in the running game
I did say that it’s looking like a rushing offense, did I not?
What doesn’t back up your argument is reality.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
You do realize
a good running game is on of, if not the most important factor in a successful passing attack, right?
texas?
what isnt standard about Texas’s offense. Hung up on the NFL? Isnt that what this is about? If DGB was thinking about education only he would call Harvard up to get a ride. If it was about his girl he goes with her. In the end NFL is the end game here. Harsin did put a 2nd rnd wr and a 3rd rnd wr in last yrs draft.
Petrino's first recruiting class just finished RS-JR and SR seasons
So if you want to talk NFL draft picks, well, let’s talk. Petrino joined Ark in December of 2007, which I’m sure you realize isn’t ideal when NSD is just a couple months later. Nonetheless, the brothers Petrino turned a defensive back (Joe Adams), a 5’10" guy (Jarius Wright), and a three-star guy (Greg Childs) into potential NFL draft picks. Those guys may or may not be drafted early, but they’ve been Arkansas’ producers at WR the entire Petrino era. Their true freshman year (Petrino’s first there), Adams and Wright were the second- and third-most-productive WRs on the roster, and Childs added 18/273/2. Lucas Miller was the top receiver, and London Crawford 4th, but the then-sophomore trio as well as true freshman Cobi Hamilton all easily beat them out on the depth chart for 2009, and now the trio just exhausted eligibility (pending a potential medical redshirt for one of them).
You can criticize Petrino for not having produced an NFL draft pick at WR in that time, but the simple fact is that his receivers are just now going to be in the NFL draft, so your criticism isn’t really valid. Also, note that Childs was considered a very strong NFL prospect prior to his major PCL injury.
Basically Petrino has a proven QB (Wilson, a proven WR (Hamilton), and a productive TE (Gragg), and has shown a willingness and ability to immediately put a true freshman WR into the position to produce, and improve thereafter. We’ll see how that translates into potential NFL draft picks, even keeping in mind the injury and size issues.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking career
Includes louisville, so the history is much longer. Before you say different recruits and talent. I will say Harsin has put more the NFL with same or less talent.
Oh, I'm sure you're right that Petrino's list of guys who've spent time at that level is much shorter
So what do you consider the eligibility for that count? QBs when they were QB coaches only, any offensive player under them when they were offensive coordinators, and any player under them when they were head coaches? Okay, I’ll start with Petrino’s paltry list, and you can do Harsin’s, since it’s bound to be a lot longer.
(Idaho OC/QB) John Friesz (CFB hall-of-famer, 11yr. NFL vet), Doug Nussmeier (QB at Idaho and in NFL, later QB coach in CFL, for Michigan State, for NFL Rams, then OC at Fresno St., Washington, and now under Saban at Alabama), possibly Jim Mills (unsure whether he redshirted a season or not), Sherridan May (all-american RB)
(Arizona State – QB’s) Jake Plummer; he also coached Garrick McGee, who just left Arkansas to take the HC job at UAB, but never played in the NFL
(Nevada – OC/QB) Shar Pourdanesh, Mike Rockwood, John Dutton, Alex van Dyke
(Utah State) Kevin Alexander, Rich Tylski
(Auburn) Marcus McNeill, Ben Grubbs, Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Devin Aromashodu, Ben Obomanu, Jeris McIntyre, Robert Johnson, Lorenzo Diamond, Anthony Mix, Jonathan Palmer, Mike Pucillo, Willie Williams, Cooper Wallace
(Louisville) Michael Bush, Harry Douglas, Elvis Dumervil, William Gay, Frank Moreau, Lionel Gates, Amobi Okoye, Trent Guy, Dave Ragone, Arnold Jackson, Brock Bolen, George Bussey, Doug Beaumont, Jon Dempsey, Lamar Myles, Malik Jackson, Leroy Collins, Zek Parker, Lavell Boyd, Josh Tinch, Travis Leffew, Robert McCune, Rick Nord, Ronnie Ghent, Ibn Green, Arnold Jackson, Eric Wood, Brandon Johnson, Breno Giacomini, Kurt Quarterman, Kerry Rhodes, Anthony Allen, Stefan LeFors, Chris Redman, Brian Brohm, Hunter Cantwell, Gary Barnidge, Montavious Stanley, Richard Owens, Nate Harris, Antoine Harris, Renardo Foster, Mario Urrutia, J.R. Russell, Eric Shelton, Jason Hilliard, Richard Owens, Jason Spitz, Brandon Johnson, Chris Johnson, Earl Heyman…
(Arkansas) Ryan Mallett, Mitch Petrus, D.J. Williams, DeMarcus Love, Malcolm Sheppard, Ray Dominguez, Jamar Love, Jose Valdez…
Those are all guys who have signed NFL contracts, and I know that I missed some, especially OL because they don’t register stats. But you get the point. Also note that a couple of guys, including Peanut Whitehead, were bound for the NFL before career-ending medical issues. I have no idea if there was anyone he coached at Weber State or Carroll who went on to the NFL, but feel free to ding him for that.
In the meantime, please compare Bryan Harsin’s list to that, and show me how many more guys he’s sent to the NFL. Looking forward to it.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
this is a nice list
but looks completely inaccurate. Seems you put any player that ever met Petrino. Elvis Dumervil? First Petrino has never coached defense. John L Smith was more of an influence. Ronnie Brown? Wasnt recruited by Petrino and they over-lapped 1 yr at Auburn. Jason Campbell is another. Al Borges choked reading you claim Campbell for Petrino. Jake Plummer? He saw him for one yr. These are some amazing claims, yet Harsin had little to do with guys like Kellen Moore.
Get real
You’re the one who claimed Harsin has put more players in the NFL. Back up your absolutely moronic claim with some facts. If guys who were under a coach’s purview (entire team below HC, entire offense below OC, and position below position coach) don’t count, please feel free to adjust the criteria, and I’ll pare down the list. I’ll still take that one over Harsin’s list any day of the week. You’re just deluded.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
deluded
You mentioned wrs. I simply stated 2 WRs went in the NFL last yr from BSU. I am making moronic claims? you just credited Petrino with Elvis Dumervil.
So I take it you're not going to post the list of NFL players from Harsin?
You made your claim that Harsin has put more players in the NFL than Petrino has. Back it up.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, I did check my facts
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
That he can design an offense
that can score on OU’s elite defense using nothing but 2 and 3 star players.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
You simply do not understand the truth.
Harsin did a LOT of recruiting there. He called the plays. He groomed the QBs. What do you not get? These are facts.
Is it a fact that he called the plays?
Source?
Harsin has never stood up an offense. Petersen implemented an offense from scratch at Boise State when he and Hawkins took over there, and Harsin took Petersen’s title when Hawkins left and Petersen was promoted. It remains to be seen whether Harsin can run a competent offense without Petersen’s guidance. As Texas fans, we want to believe Harsin successfully co-opted Petersen’s recipe for success, but the proof will have to be in the pudding, because 2011 didn’t exactly give a strong indication either way.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Kellen Moore?
Pretty sure he picked him and coached him up really well
I’m pretty sure Moore did just fine without Harsin this year.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'll sum it up with this:
Boise State had an unprecedented amount of success with Harsin running the offense. Whether you attribute that to Harsin is a moot point. The offense was very successful with him running it.
How do you know, then?
Just hearsay on Texas message boards?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know
that, as Offensive Coordinator/QB coach, he didn’t call plays? Source?
Truthfully, there was probably a mix between head coach and OC. But that happens everywhere. Hell, even Mack, the CEO of college football coaches, can overrule a call if he so chooses.
There's a big difference
Between exercising veto power and being actively involved in the playcalling, but just letting the coordinator run the practice. That’s actually common enough in both the NFL (Belichick, for example) and NCAA (Saban, Petrino, etc.).
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
Also, I didn't make the statement that he didn't
A lot of others have said that he did, and I’d like to know what makes them so sure. The onus is on them to support the statement. That’s how it works, as you surely know, because otherwise it’d be acceptable to just make anything up and expect others to accept it as truth.
Oh wait…internet.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Just because you are blatantly ignorant
doesn’t make the “onus” on other people to prove facts. You are assuming an OC/QB coach didn’t call plays or at least be 80% involved in the number of play calls alone.
The onus is on you, and it’s to pull the ignorant wool from your eyes.
Blatantly ignorant?
You and others have claimed that Harsin called the plays, did lots of recruiting, etc. Where are any facts that support this? Care to point any of us to supporting evidence? If not, then it’s obvious you’re either making shit up or parroting hearsay, or more likely, a combination of both.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
The FACT that
he was Offensive Coordinator/QB coach! How many OC/QB coaches do you know that DON’T call plays and DON’T recruit? Just because you don’t know it’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Sigh.
You are always, always, quick to point out that Greg Davis presided over some of the best offensive years in Texas football history. A point that I will happily grant you.
Yet you become suddenly suspicious of anyone associated with Boise State football not named Chris Peterson. I really do not understand this.
Oh. Aggies, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jan 23, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
He designed, stood up, and perfected the offense
Whether Harsin really had all that much to do with the success isn’t really known, although it’s possible. Even so, 2011 was inarguably the first season he has operated outside the purview of Petersen, and possibly with any real autonomy.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
You just argue to argue.
Ok, I’ll agree with you. The person who was Offensive Coordinator and Quarterbacks coach had NOTHING to do with Boise State’s or Kellen Moore’s success. He had nothing to do with anything GOOD that happened at Boise State. He didn’t bring a single recruit. He never worked with his head coach in order to better any plays or substitute packaging or game day adjustments or anything. It was all Petersen. Why the hell did we hire Harsin? Mack should’ve consulted you before the hire, because you obviously know more about Harsin then he did based upon his knowledge of the coach, his direct talks with Petersen, his overall better football knowledge then you.
Straw man
Apparently you didn’t learn anything about real debate, because you’re putting false words into my mouth. I didn’t say Harsin had nothing to do with it. You’re making up statements for me, which is lying. Typical of you.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
It's obviously sarcasm.
It’s an attempt to point out how porous your “facts” and “arguments” are. It didn’t work. I shouldn’t be surprised.
While we're checking facts...
…what’s this about recruiting? He was their OC from 2006 through Jan. 2011, so using Orangebloods:
In 2006 he was 1/1, landing two-star linebacker Ben Chandler. In 2007 he was 0/0. In 2008 he was 1/2, getting Byron Hout. He was 0/2 in both 2009 and 2010. In all, he landed a two-star linebacker and a three-star one out of seven assigned recruits. Granted, he might have been in on some more recruiting than just those, but if that’s the case, would you mind telling us what happened? Maybe some specifics?
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
Check out his tweets.
The boy is head over heels in love and all he talks about is how wonderful his girlfrind is.
DO NOT DISMISS THIS AS A DECIDING FACTOR FOR HIS DECISION!
Bill, his GF will attend an ARKANSAS small college as a BB player. She is still in high school with him.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't been following that factor, but I can see how it could work
At that age, things like that already seem real, and it can influence decisions with DGB as easily as (or more easily than, in fact) a relationship could influence an adult’s career/re-location decisions.
But for the time being, I prefer not to speculate on that. I’m sure it’ll be a factor, but (a) a kid in a relationship isn’t necessarily going to post anything but the sunniest of things about his girl on something like twitter, and (b) relationships can take significant turns in a heartbeat. Similarly, I don’t like to guess about this rumored factor about his or any other kid’s family medical needs when it comes to choosing a school. It seems crass and perhaps even invasive to try to decode an athlete or coach’s decision tree based on serious medical needs in his family. I’m just going to look at the football aspects for now, and acknowledge that I really don’t know where those other factors rank in his head.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
In the realm of recruiting, what drives recruits choices is mostly speculation anyway.
The great recruiters address all possibilities – real or not! This is called selling and is not to be dismissed or treated lightly.
If something as grandiose as landing a helicopter on a practice field will turn a recruit – it will be done. If you suspect a recruits interest also includes accessibility to his high school crush – you address that as well.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.
Addressing high school relationships is a slippery slope. I mean, just a guess but I’d say 90% of high school relationships fail once both hit college. It probably isn’t that high, but still pretty high for sure.
Of course, you and I know that.
But, how many of your classmates, when you were a freshman, went to your school just to be with their BF/GF? I remember quite a few myself.
This assumes, of course, they had the wherewithal to follow – like DGB does.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
im at U of Arizona
because it kept me closest to home(LA) and my girlfriend. im single now. 2nd semester of freshman year.
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Bingo - I rest my case!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
They don’t call it Fall Break for nothin’
by Teamdirtyleg on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
I went to a primarily sports college (85% of enrollees were athletes) and we had so many transfers out due to that kind of thing, I must be biased. But they had significantly lower amount of support that DGB does.
Now you have peaked my interest
85% were atheletes? I’m dying to know what college that was?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Smaaaalllll
NAIA college in Kansas. Minute. It was definitely exaggerated, but I think overall I would hope that DGB’s people are giving him the lowdown on how high school-to-college relationships usually turn out.
I just went to check that out and…yuck. It’s sweet, but it’s that naive, youth-filled puppy love stuff. My gut tells me now that he’s not coming to Austin.
by Teamdirtyleg on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly, I think you are right
Let me put it to you this way, and I say this tongue-in-cheek, if Gail would offer a schollie to his GF, would it be a strong selling point?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the reason his folks want him not at Arkansas
is because they want him farther from her, Texas seems like a great place for him to meet someone else.
Yes, I have said that - scroll up.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Most good parents rationally want their kids to forget about high school relationships because they do nothing more than get in the way.
“there is plenty of time for that later”.
I’m sure he’s is eaten up with her though, she’s a looker.
by Teamdirtyleg on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Darrell Scott made a college career out of focusing on skirt instead of pads
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hell, who didn't? :-)
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
might as well start
With DGB. Only been about 40 threads this week about him
by codaxx on Jan 22, 2012 4:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
DGB
There will be plenty of rumors going into February 1st. We’ll know if Texas is eliminated, because the family will notify the Texas staff. As a Texas fan, I’d watch Mack and the in home visit. If Mack doesn’t make that visit for whatever reason, it doesn’t bode well for Texas.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Just wondering about a recruiting question
It seems like the Horns recruiting has stalled out a little here toward the end, especially with out of state kids. It makes me wonder if a terrible year (2010) and a mediocre year(2011) back to back might be having a more negative effect than what we realize. It obviously didnt seem to have a real bad effect in state as we did OK there with kids who know the whole story and have confidence we are on the way back
Or maybe it is just that we are going after some very high level kids and no one gets all of those. What say ye of the vast reccruiting expertise?
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
I read a good column on this on Orangebloods of all places
I agreed with many of the points. Basically Texas needs to try harder on OOS recruits, offer them earlier, and loosen the offer restrictions.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Mack is a frosh in college
This my analogy. Mack been a HS stud cleaning up on the local girls. Now he is in college and he is trying to adjust his lines. OOS recruits are a new thing. By next semester he be bringing them back to his dorm room
by codaxx on Jan 22, 2012 5:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mack
Has said before that it’s much harder to stay on top than build from the bottom up. I’d agree.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Didnt we just sign 3 guys from out of state...
who are now practicing with the team?!
Plus we got the top guys from Ohio and Oklahoma in recent years.
I think we are doing ok with OOS recruits. Kids from out of state don’t feel the same loyalty to Texas, as most native Texans do.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 22, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's important to realize that right now, Texas still has a top 2 class.
That’s without DGB. It could get better, but reeling in a Top 5 class makes it hard to call this a letdown, even if we don’t get DGB. Hopefully we can reel in Daje, and that will help, as well.
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I'd agree
FSU will push Texas for the second best class. Alabama is out of in front and that won’t change.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
It's all subjective, but
If Texas pulls in DGB, that would give us 3 solid 5-star recruits in DGB, Brown & Gray, plus more 4 star guys. Given the analysis that DGB & Gray are “all-decade” good, I think Texas could lay claim to top class.
MEJ
I’m not upset that he is not going to be a horn, but that he is not even giving Mack an in-home visit. I wonder if Sr was worried that Mack could of swayed him to stay in state and not go to FSU. I hope the commits “TGOD” does not give up and still try’s to persuade MEJ to give Mack a chance.
I could be wrong
but I think that Sr is much more worried about his son from a paternal aspect in his recruitment than that of an alum of FSU. If they made a decision as a family to stick to the pledge they made to FSU then I applaud them for honoring their commitment.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Jan 22, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
MEJ
I get the feeling that the Edwards didn’t want to jerk Texas around. I think he’s FSU bound. I know LSU is optimistic, but I think Mario Edwards will be a Nole.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Closing out the 2012 class
Nothing is guaranteed at this point. Heck Hobbs hasn’t been offered yet. Daje Johnson is visiting next week. Can Texas flip him late? He’s said he’s going to TCU for about a month now.
I think Texas will land either Hobbs and Johnson, maybe both. There is some pessimism on DGB out there right now. It’s put or shut up time.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Is Hobbs more of a class-filler at this point, or is he just a late-bloomer who recently sparked UT's interest?
There hasn’t seemed to have been much buzz about him until recently, which appears to indicate either the coaches are worried about their numbers at the position or he finished off his career in incredible fashion, increasing their opinion of him tremendously.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Does Texas have any chance with Addison?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Addison
Texas hasn’t contacted Addison despite some rumored Texas interest from his camp. Oregon is a player, but he’s still committed to TAMU.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Addison is there for us to go after. With Kelly rumors heating up, he needs somewhere go to other than Aggies.
Same with TJ. Dont know if we have burned bridges but Nike is looking less and less for the Texas guys.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Addison is probably the best "available" in state offensive player
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Any chance we make a last second push if DGB tells us no this week?
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
It'd be surprising if DGB said no this soon
I feel the Mack in home will happen.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Addison is a better offensive take than Trey Williams, in my opinion.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
You mean for a team that will have true freshman Gray and true sophs Brown and Bergeron?
That sounds like a possibility. But depth at the position notwithstanding, Williams seems like a far stronger take than Addison. That’s just based on my limited view (highlight reels, articles, etc.), of course. I’ve never seen either one in person.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Addison would be a receiver only and he would be dynamite!
Williams is a super running back, but could not break into our lineup.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
That's kind of what I was thinking
Williams seems like a superior talent, but it’s apples and oranges since Addison plays at a position of need, while Williams plays a position of wealth..
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Raulerson
Tell us how the visit went.
by Stahldog on Jan 22, 2012 5:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Raulerson
The Raulersons had an outstanding visit to Texas. I’m confident he commits before the First Junior Day.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Morgan
Texas seems to be looking elsewhere at TE. RSJ is a confirmed JD1visitor, and possible early commit. Red Oak TE Jeremiah Gaines has a JD2 invitation. Both seem to be the leaders at TE for Texas in 2013.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
No JD invite yet for CM. I am a huge Morgan fan as the inline TE.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I know this has been said elsewhere, but how huge is this turn of ideals on recruiting? I personally love it, but what does it mean for the program in the long run?
Change in philosophy
I think it’ll start to pay dividends in the program very soon. Hawkins and Moore are both doing very well in their off season workouts. I think recruiting JUCO players will be huge. It can fill needs immediately. I’d add that both are OOS players also.
I think recruiting is all about the relationship between the coach and the player. The Texas coaches must build that relationship early and work on it continuously to have a shot at landing an OOS player. Akina has done an outstanding job thus far with Marcell Harris.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
so on a macro cosmic level would we see a net increase in the quality of players , a wash , or some other outcome? Can this back fire on program at all? Or is it simply all spades with more time to evaluate great pools to recruit within?
by Northwest Horn on Jan 22, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
*evaluate, and greater pools to recruit within
by Northwest Horn on Jan 22, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think we will see an increase in the quality of players
It sounds like Texas isn’t content with just taking the best in state player. Positions are cyclical, and some positions are down in some years. The staff recognizes the need to go OOS when the situation calls for it.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
For instance
Texas is recruiting the RB position in 2013 nationally. The staff is said to be looking north and west for RBs. Keith Ford is going to be a tough pull in state.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see that happen
Tenpenny is the truth. He should be one of the top RBs in the country in 2013.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
it also seems to be a down year for CB in class of 2013 for the state of Texas
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I'd agree
There’s a good prospect out of Dulles that Eric Nahlin has written about. His name is Maurice Smith. Bastrop CB Antwuan Davis was just cleared for running after a back injury sidelined him for much of 2011.
Davis is head and shoulders above the rest of the in state DBs.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
How bad is the back injury?
CB might be an OOS look in 2013. Also depends on what happens with Daje and if he does come to UT where he plays.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty serious
It knocked Davis out of most of the 2011 season. He can just now run. I think Texas should bring him in and work him out first before they offer.
I think Daje is a APB all the way.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I was looking at the Lone Star 100 the other day
And it does look like a relatively down year for RB’s in Texas. Ford is listed as the #2 RB (higher than Wilson) in the nation by 247.
Wilson is the top RB and #8-overall player in the Lone Star 100, and 12th in the 247 national RB rankings.
Ford is the 2nd RB overall and #16-overall in LSR100, and #2 (yep, ahead of Wilson) on 247’s RB list.
James White is 3rd RB and #18-overall in LSR100, and #32 among RB’s on 247.
Looks like Wilson and Ford are definitely VHT’s, with White no slouch either, but it does seem like the class isn’t that strong. The good news is that Texas doesn’t appear to desperately need a game-changer at the position for 2013, with Gray, Bergeron, and Brown in the fold already. Right now 247 only shows Wilson and Ford among UT’s targets at the position.
Oregon already has a commitment from 247’s top-rated RB recruit, an in-stater named Thomas Tyner. That doesn’t necessarily mean that’ll scare off Wilson, who lists Oregon among his offers, but it couldn’t hurt.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Effect on In-State
So rather then just relying on the best in-state recruit on a down year they will aggressively recruit better OOS if the need dictates?
by Northwest Horn on Jan 22, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
ah nvm explained it in the post above mine, ty.
by Northwest Horn on Jan 22, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's correct
If there’s a need and the staff can’t fill it to their satisfactions in state, they will go OOS.
Texas got extremely lucky this year finding Adrian Colbert. The in state safety options weren’t good, and they were way behind on the OOS targets.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
JD2
Not many confirmations thus far. Off the top of my head, Barrett, Brett Wade, Gaines, Chevoski Collins and Eldridge Massington have all been invited.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
O-line
Searels had said that he wants all o-linemen to be able to lift 400 lbs. is that something Wylie can do this offseason? Or is this a more longtime goal?
Cut!
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I believe you're thinking of Coach Davis and the DL
Dez Jackson is the only DL benching 400+. I think Moore can get there quickly. Howell should be there as an upperclassmen. Dorsey should also get there. Greg Daniels is a work out warrior, should be there soon.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Oops, you are right.
Thanks for correction.
Cut!
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 5:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Awesome Diehard quote yet again!
Cut!
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 5:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Looks like the Ags have lost several recruits over the weekend.
Any word on other guys that might decommit? I’m sure that Trey and Addison are the big ones to watch….
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by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
I hadn't heard this...
sources? Coaching change there making the impact there?
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I saw it on a variety of sources on Twitter and messageboards
I can’t remember if Wilson chose Okie State, and Blake looking at FSU and maybr some other schools? Can someone help on that?
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TAMU decommits
Reports are that Wilson choose OK State.
Blake is considering TCU, OU and FSU.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the info.
I’ve had my head down – tail up at work the past week so not much time on the boards lately.
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TAMU decommits
It sounds like Trey Williams had a good visit to Arkansas. Oregon has an in home coming with Bralon Addison.
Michael Wilson and Colin Blake decommitted this weekend.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Both are huge needs
TAMU needs to build good depth on both their OL and DL. They’re having some trouble feeling their DL needs. Wilson is a blow to their OL class.
Blake was a huge need at corner. In my opinion, TAMU only had 2 above average DBs this past season.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Marquise Goodwin
Is Marquise Goodwin working out with the team or is he focused on the long jump? And if he does make the US Olympic team who replaces him at WR?
Goodwin
It’s tough to tell at the moment. Mack won’t address the media again until National Signing Day. All you can go off now is scattered reports and tweets from the players. Goodwin said after the bowl win that he will dedicate more time to football this off season. Big difference in being in track shape and football shape.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
bill
What’s ur thoughts on Joe pa passing away?
Joe Pa
It’s sad when anyone dies. Especially when they pass under Joe Pa’s circumstances. I think he was a great man who made some poor decisions at the end of his life. I hope he’s in a good place now. Best wishes to his family.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
WOW
Really? Even in the most far fetched joking manner that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Paterno's passing is very odd
The timing.
Bear Bryant coached through the Liberty Bowl after the 1982 season and died within a month. He was 15 years younger than JoePa.
I’ll miss what Paterno brought to the game. Old school, academics. Clearly, though, he was either naive or was protecting his turf to ignore what was going on. Sad that’s part of his legacy, but it absolutely is.
I agree thats part of his legacy
and have no problem with people pointing that out. It unfortunately is what he will be associated with in the near future until the newness of this situation wears off and his career is put back into perspective.
That being said, I told everyone he wouldn’t live longer than a year after his firing. He didn’t die of cancer. He died of a broken heart.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
This is almost exactly what I said to someone today
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
That is very sad to me.
I love football like the next guy, and coach as well (nowhere in the same stratosphere as JoePa) but if that’s all he had to live for, then I am a sad person.
As for his legacy, let’s wait until all the facts are divulged in court. As much as we think we know enough about the situation, we just don’t. Let’s hold on judging his legacy until those things come out first.
I don't think he died because of football
I think he died because the experiences being a football coach provides. Building men, guiding them, competing, watching them grow etc etc. On top of the fact that he obviously held some sort of guilt over what happens. I think when you have all that taken away and its been your life for so long then it is hard to keep spirit and keep fighting when your facing something like cancer as well. Obviously this is just my opinion but I think it has some merit.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Right.
I definitely agree. I just know he had family and did things outside of the program. He obviously did a lot of good for a lot of players that he coached. That’s without a doubt.
I just find it sad when something like this happens, like he didn’t have a will to live past football. Same comes to mind with Bear Bryant. It just makes me sad, is all. I don’t know this for fact, but I bet there were family members just waiting for him to retire to get time with him, yanno? The college football grind can’t be easy on the family.
The body of work he did as a coach is unchallenged
No one in their right mind would deny this. However, Paterno, like all of us, had feet made of clay. He wound up being derelict in his moral responsibilities and reneged on his leadership role. This is what condemned him.
College coaches are akin to military drill sargeants. They are absolute rulers and dictators. Consequently, after decades of this, coaches begin to think they are invulnerable and they become arrogant and indifferent. I think Bowden was guilty of this as well.
And, I have no doubt that Joe Pa was.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's more of an "ignorance" thing than it is a "dictatorship"
kind of thing. On local sports radio they replayed an interview not too long ago where he was talking about how he didn’t know about some intricacy to recruiting and a certain wrinkle in his offense.
In my honest opinion, I think he dropped the ball because he wasn’t aware. Now is he still liable? That’s been debated. But I don’t think he thought he was invincible, although he made a big-time mistake.
Not sure if I'm allowed to say this...
but he didn’t die of a broken heart. The media and the fans were not to blame.
He died from complications from his Lung Cancer battle.
He chose to look the other way when he should have had the “Character” his defenders keep talking about, and done something about his Defensive Coordinator.
Just because he’s dead now, doesn’t mean we get to start re-inventing history.
He didn’t do what he should have done. He didn’t do, what he would have done if it was his own Grandchild. He doesn’t get a free pass from me, just because he died.
He will always be remembered as a man who chose to look the other way, while children needed his help…and i will make damn sure, the people that I influence don’t forget that.
What you don’t do, is as important as what it is we actually do.
We don’t get to pick and choose what is convenient to remember.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 23, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
We also don't get to pick our own facts
Paterno did not witness the incident, nor was Sandusky in the employ of PSU at the time of the incident. If McQueary did witness this, then McQueary is the person who deserves all the ire for not immediately going to the police. Paterno was probably told something, but we do not know what. But the thing we know for sure is that McQueary, not Paterno, knows for certain what he did and did not witness, and the burden was entirely with him to report what he saw. The minute he failed to do that and went to tell his boss, who was NOT in charge of Sandusky at the time, he compromised the entire situation.
Paterno could well have done more than he did. He probably should have. But crucifying him for not reporting to police—and risking permanent damage to the name of a friend and former subordinate who, for all Joe knew, may not have been doing anything remotely similar to what McQueary may or may not have told him—is extreme. He went to his superior, the athletic director, who was actually the one who authorized the Second Mile’s use of Penn State facilities. You seriously think Paterno tried to keep this under wraps at the expense of raped children?
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
I mean, yes. It happened.
You seriously think Paterno tried to keep this under wraps at the expense of raped children?
Oh. Aggies, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jan 23, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
burntorangehorn, you seem an intelligent and thoughtful guy - but I have to back hippiekiller on this
I would rather crucify Paterno for not reporting to the police and trying to “protect” his friend, then see a child molested!
My career as a pediatrician dictates this.
I have ZERO symphathy for any of the son’s of bitches, including Paterno, that didn’t act immediately upon discovery – by word or observation!
I am adamant about this and there is no argument that will turn me otherwise.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
There just doesn't seem to be any attempt to be rational about this
Paterno didn’t witness anything except possibly a report from McQueary. What was he supposed to report to police?
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
Anything past this is irrelevent
Paterno could well have done more than he did. He probably should have.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
While I agree with most of your sentiment
We don’t get to pick and choose what is convenient to remember.
Yes, we do. Anyone who has loved and lost has that choice. Its human nature.
He died of cancer, but the recent issues certainly didn’t help his health, and in fact, it probably put him in the express lane. Cancer is tricky like that. Quite the bitch, imo.
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One more recruiting question about a non-Texas team
What’s the deal with OU having so few defensive recruits this year? Obviously losing Harris hurt, but it seems like their class is offense heavy, and lacks some talent along the D-line for sure
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Venables having one foot out the door might have something to do with it
I think the 2012 class comes back to bite OU at some point. It happened to Texas with their poor classes at the end of the last decade.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
If Texas misses on DGB and Daje Johnson
What other recruits can we target who will have an impact on offense?
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
I think they'd close shop at that point
All the needs have been met, Daje and DGB are more wants than needs.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
bill
Who is the impact freshmen besides the obvious of j Gray and mb2?
I can answer this - Caleb Jones!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Yeah I think Cayleb has an impact if he's mentally ready
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Cayleb
He should be interesting to watch, because he has to be really excited to be playing at the next level with guys who are equal to his skills. I saw Austin vs. Cibolo Steele and they totally shut him down because they didn’t have to respect any of the other offensive players on Austin.
I’d like to see him running some slants and inside routes on short yardage; he seems to have really good hands and I’d love to see us have a big body running over the middle to help the QBs out and open the run game up.
I dig holes. I bleed burnt orange.
Austin High was down in 2011
That offense was often abysmal.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Impact freshman
I think Ridgeway will play. Unfortunately, I think either Hughes or Estelle will have to play. I think Riser will play. All of the WRs should play. I think Echols sees the field, as does Jinkens. I think all the DBs will play early.
I think MJ McFarland might have the biggest impact of any freshman. Texas needs him to be good right away.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
I think we finally are to the point where we can redshirt all OL
If Hawkins does well we are set at starter and primary backup at OT with Kelley. For additional depth greenlea and Doyle.
I'm not Bill, obviously....
…but I could see Overstreet having a big impact if he takes over all or part of the wildcat duties. It would be great to have someone back there who is also a passing threat
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I agree
See GOBR’s excellent write up on Overstreet that he posted today. I think he could make a big impact in the Wildcat. He gives defenses a lot to think about.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Dalton Santos
just read he is coming for visit next weekend
by Stahldog on Jan 22, 2012 5:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
OMG
I love Santos. I’m talking about giving my first born for him to come to Texas.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Santos is currentl a verbal for?
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@jsuchomel: #UT has offered LB Dalton Santos and will be bringing him in for an official visit next week.
i read that too. Great news!! Santos is a very good player. I like the potential the D will have next few years. VERY PHYSICAL!!!
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Corey Coleman
Will the coaches set up an official visit for this upcoming weekend this week for Coleman?
Hasn't happened yet
Coleman seems solid to Baylor
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hook Em 247 believes Texas will land Santos
I’m literally losing my mind right now. HUGE. Potentially all conference MLB.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:00 PM CST reply actions
Does he have fullback potential?
by Pinche Gringo on Jan 22, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It'd be a waste to put him there full time
In packages sure, I’d like to see Santos play some fullback.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Mandatory white LBer to FB rec
Nicely played.
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I assume Santos would be a potential MLB.
Huge pickup. I was rather underwhelmed with the LB recruits in this year’s class. Getting a stud future MLB would make a huge difference.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Santos a Tennessee commit?
Why would he de-commit?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Staff turnover
Almost every coach that recruited Santos to Tennessee has left.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
santos
Coolest part is he left TAMU, because he wanted to play in the SEC. That was the official story. That would sting a certain fan base
by codaxx on Jan 22, 2012 6:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So we would have a chance at a big, fact LB with a mean streak? Wow!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Santos is a mean SOB
Smart move. Edmond right now is limited in his conditioning. He’ll need somebody to spell him and Santos is ready right now.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Fact=fast
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
hey bill not Texas related but its a question ive been meaning to pose
What’s your top 10 head coaching jobs?
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by horns1025 on Jan 22, 2012 6:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah Oregon is up there
With the Nike backing and their facilities, they’re approached a top 10 kind of job.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not buying Oregon and Okie Lite.
Having one significant donor, and little winning history, does not make them top 10 coaching jobs. Didn’t OSU just go to it’s first BCS game?
oregon?
Not so sure about that. First on campus camps are no longer allowed. Oregon doesn’t have the history. It has no natural recruiting base. Will be a longtime until it makes any top 5 list. Texas, USC, Florida, Bama, and Ohio State are the fisrt 5 off the top of my head
by codaxx on Jan 22, 2012 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Top 10 Jobs
Off the top of my head:
1) Texas
2) Bama
3) Florida
4) USC
5) Georgia
6) LSU
7) FSU
8) Notre Dame
9) tOSU
10) Michigan
11) OU
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting that you put OU under Georgia
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
You have to factor in
having to live in Oklahoma
by CMDR on Jan 22, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Natural recruiting base in Georgia
Georgia is probably the 4th best recruiting state in the country and moving up very fast.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, that would make sense then
OU essentially is a Texas leech. In fact, outside of UT, OU has always been the second largest recruiting college in the state. At least where the top talent is concerned. This underscores another reason aggy ran to the SEC.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
but but but
you guys left off A&M. I read on Txags that it is clearly a top 10 coaching school. they said it right there on the internet so i know it is true
meds, someone bring me meds
Top 15 for sure
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CBTN (great site, BTW) says the ranking is...
1LSU
2Texas
3Florida
4Alabama
5Ohio St.
6Southern California
7Auburn
8Oklahoma
9Georgia
10 Michigan
LSU does have their state completely locked up
But Texas can claim similar in state recruiting dominance and immense resources.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
LSU=better fan base
Their fans travel anywhere. Hell, we cant even get a sellout streak going let alone a crowd that will cheer the entire game.
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
WTF
When was the last time DKR didn’t sell out, that’s tickets sold, not just butts in seats.
This
I don’t think dukeof orange has ever been to a game!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Ive seen enough half empty DKR games in the 3rd to know I am not off base on this
I love Texas, with all my heart, but if you are saying I am wrong by picking LSU than you need to check the color of your glasses.
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Agree that Texas fans are front runners
But all of those games that are half empty in the third quarter were sellouts.
I guess I must clarify
A real sellout, ya know where there are literal bodies in the seats type. Cmon, man!
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
To me USC should be higher on the list
It is in a great recruiting area in La La land and I have always heard recruits get swept off their feet in visits
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
the presence of the Song Girls alone boosts them top 10
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by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
um, i lived in Louisiana when Lsu had 7 straight losing seasons. They have a fan base similar to most southern schools.
When they win, they are fanatics and an 85 year old grandmother cares about recruiting and starts tailgating Wed night!!
When they lose they care less and a lot of fans dont show up.
by TheContractor on Jan 25, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
2013 TA&M commit Derrick Griffen
Will Texas go after this wide out?
Griffin
There are some grade concerns around Griffin. He is a spectacular athlete from a really rough background. I’m just happy to see him get a chance and a college scholarship. I think his grades would have to improve for Texas to pursue him.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
What was Swoopes family's response to his visit?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I believe Swoopes enjoyed his unofficial visit during the 2011 season
I don’t believe he visited this past weekend.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Quick Santos thought
Landing Santos could allow Texas to spin down Tevin Jackson or Thompson, and keep Bluiett at DE or move him to TE. Bluiett can play MLB, DE or TE at Texas.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:18 PM CST reply actions
I thought the exact same thing
Regarding spinning down Jackson or Thompson.
There really is a hole in the depth chart at rush DE.
I think Thompson should make the move this year
Jeffcoat might not be at Texas next season. Oak will definitely be gone.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I havent heard this
Why wouldn’t Jeffcoat be at Texas next season??
by BurntOrangeForever on Jan 22, 2012 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whew...was worried there
The rumor mill has been hinting at some more attrition and I thought something had happened with JJ.
by BurntOrangeForever on Jan 22, 2012 8:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jeffcoat
Jeffcoat will miss all of spring ball after his pec surgery. Missing that much of the off season could keep him at Texas another year.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
ok hypothetical here
Suppose Ash improves leaps and bounds and the OL gets bigger in the offseason. Do you think that in 2012 Texas could be a BCS sleeper?
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by horns1025 on Jan 22, 2012 6:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think the recieving corps has to show some big improvement as well.
Either Mike Davis really stepping up and/or an incoming freshman making a big contribution.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it can be emphasized enough what a year's experience will do to our young coaching staff.
Particularly in the case of Harsin and his offense. I believe the years experience will allow the offense will take hold like Diaz’s defense did last year.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
BTW Snide. Love the avatar. Saw it first over on the Cosm.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
LOL - thanks, I have already had three commentators steal it from me and one was a techie.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Our receiving corp seems to have had below average hands the last few years outside of the Shipley family. Is this a recruiting problem or a coaching problem?
by Pinche Gringo on Jan 22, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Davis
Obviously, is he staying/in classes/etc but also, I was rewatching some of the games this week, and there was a huge disconnect in our passing offense when he was off. Therefore, the question is, why did he get so off track after a fast start?
It's always been between the ears with Mike Davis
It’ll be very interesting to watch the off season work out reports. If Davis buys in, his potential is very high.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Could it be the rotating QB’s?
It’s hard to get use to the type of ball thrown when it’s constantly changing. I think having more time with Ash will help.
Jaxon saw the same QBs that Davis saw
plus his high school quarterback(s). Didn’t seem to hinder his catching everything thrown his way.
Um. Shipley had drops this year.
And I understand it doesn’t excuse Davis, I wasn’t making that claim.
I’m just pointing out that WRs love continuity, and that’s something Davis hasn’t had. Calm down.
Absolutely nothing to do with nothing
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 6:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
But Summer Sanders still looks damn good
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 6:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Liches - On your avatar
Why do you have a longhorn emblem superimposed on a Chilean flag?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Ah - I need to brush up on my flags
So, UT has bought Spain? :-)
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
very close to the same
The Chilean flag has the red go all the way across the bottom, rather than stopping at the blue bar. So I teach elementary school, these are the things I know . : )
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I failed elementary school
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Bill
Did you catch the pics of Raulerson and Hobbs in UT gear on 24/7?
It suits them well.
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We need a link to the pics or the pics themselves.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Speaking of Hobbs - you and Tipsy Gypsie don't seem too high on him - how come?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I won’t post the pics themselves, and this is a VIP ($) post from 247 that the pics were on. Needless to say, he looks natural in burnt orange.
And I’m higher on McFarland than I am with Hobbs
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OK, cool.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Jalen Overstreet's Bloodlines
Bill, I’ve seen you mention this several times now, most recently on the Jalen Overstreet Recruiting Spotlight on the front page right now, but figured it would be easier to find you over here. But you’ve never said WHO is actually in this kid’s bloodlines, so would you mind expounding on that?
"ABC welcomes you to back to Vince Young Field" - Rose Bowl Sign
Most of the articles on Overstreet's bloodlines are behind a pay wall
Basically his cousin plays for the Raiders Denarius Morris.
His father was an excellent player at Baylor. His uncle was a star at OU.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Clarification on Overstreet's bloodlines
His uncle is David Overstreet, a 1st rd pick out of OU in the early 80’s. His dad, Anthony Hodge played football at Baylor. His Uncle, Stephen Hodge, played at TCU and was on the Cowboys practice squad a couple of years ago. His cousin, Denarius Moore, played at Tennessee and was a rookie WR for the Oakland Raiders this season.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
thats one hell of a football family tree!
by TheContractor on Jan 23, 2012 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
Santos
if he is visiting, how likely do you think he will commit? Aside from Edmond there is not much depth at the MLB position right?
Sorry fellas, on the phone with a source
Give me a second here.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions
Pretty good news. I have to keep it under wraps for right now. Expect JD1 to go well.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Damn I was hoping you were getting word that DGB had told Mack he wanted to play for Texas
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by horns1025 on Jan 22, 2012 7:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha I wish
I don’t think anybody knows for certain where DGB is going.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
No need to spill the beans.....
….but I have a feeling we’ll be discussing who the best commit for 2013 is after that weekend- Raulerson or RSJ? : )
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RSJ is a bigger need because he's an impact TE
I think Raulerson is a better leader and potentially a better player.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
I like the thought of Raulerson being the bellcow to help recruit the '13 guys, like Brewer did for this class
I also like the talk I’ve read of Raulerson getting to possibly play DE, and then come in as a situational TE, too. That would be sweet
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i feel thats the ideal situation for Raulerson, DE and shortyardage/goal line TE/HBack. RSJ and Maulerson are both huge for ’13.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think DE is likely Raulerson's primary position
TE in packages is also possible.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Very true! I'm intrigued to see how the staff approaches the QB situation for the 13 class
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Swoopes will be here at JD1, Barrett might be at JD2
Bringing them in on different weekends is a smart move.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
DGB and Santos
So it sounds like he may be looking to somewhere a little farther away, what do you think the percentage is now? Second, with Santos I’d heard very little in regards to him being on our radar, but now all of a sudden it looks like we could poach him, what changed?
Quick Santos Back Story
During 2011 Spring Evaluations, Coach Searels went by Van and “discovered” Dalton Santos. The Texas staff evaluated Santos, and liked what they saw. Coach Diaz called Dalton personally and apologized for the lack of Texas attention and told him if anything changed with the numbers that Texas would pursue him. I think this move is more of a reaction to losing out on Edwards. Texas was holding a spot for Edwards, and now that spot is available.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Daje Johnson is confirmed to be a weekend visitor this weekend with Santos
Any thoughts on us finally pulling the trigger with the speedster?
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Daje
The young man loves Texas, but he’s obviously had his feelings hurt by the staff. You got to 3-4 straight UT home games and don’t get an offer, that’s going to happen. If the staff can repair that relationship, I think he’ll commit to Texas.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Daje
I saw that he listed us on Twitter with TCU and he said something like he was having trouble deciding on school, and it was gonna be on of the two, I’d say it’s gonna be us by that.
How do you think
the class finishes up?
Santos and?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Conservatively, I think Texas finishes with Daje and Santos
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
and aggresively?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Texas is putting the full court press on Torshiro Davis. They’re putting the full court press on DGB. Both will be tough pulls.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Toshiro?
Why has this guy kind of been lost in all the MEj and DGB talk? What are the future plans with him in terms or recruiting? Is there in an home with him, or is he making plans to visit?
Defensive coaches have / are making an in home visit
Mack could also make an in home visit with Davis.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
I read accounts that Davis was the most disinterested at the banuqet
It is ok tha ta kid doesn’t pick us.
I know this sounds like sour grapes, but I really have concerns about DGB. I think DGB is going to be homesick very quickly if he comes to Texas. I think he should stay as close to home as possible becuase he just doesn’t seem independent enough tto handle the distance. In my gut I see a Darius White in the making if he come to Texas.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Homesickness might be an issue, but no way this kid would act like D. White.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
D. White was really soft spoken and close to his mom
Then he whacked out when he wasn’t cutting it at Texas. I think that is just immaturity. DGB seems like a great kid too, but if he is sooooo close to his family that he is going to be calling them every 5 minutes we may not be the right fit. I have been out for 25years, but I still remember watching my friends from small schools fail freshman year. We are a big school and small town, dependent kids just don’t that well. More mature, indepdent kids do better in our big school environment.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I don't think it's an accurate comparison
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Far from home.
Why can BBall recruits go to the other side of the country to ball but for football recruits, most want to stay close to home? I guess it is two different mind sets in the respective sports.
D. White wasn't softspoken when he was badmouthing the program to DGB.
I can’t see DGB doing that sorit of thing even if he got homesick.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
From what I hear
no way, he’s a class act and a great addition as a person as much as a player if we grab him
I think
DGB may be close-knit with his family, but about as mature as they come
I don't think it's fair
to call DGB a “homesick” kind of player, just because he’s sticking close to his family during this recruiting process. That’s what he should be doing.
I think without enough evidence, we shouldn’t make that assumption.
I didn't call DGB homesick
But, he is clearly close to his family and has said that being close is important to him. We are the most distant school on his final 4.
Big game Bob is doing an in-home tonight. Mack goes Wed. allegedly.
Does anyone know if Trey Metoyer got into OU or not? If Trey is there I bet DGB does not go to OU. If Trey is not at OU, they may jump back into position for DGB.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
we MAY not get any of the big names we went after: MEj, DGB or TDavis but i love fighting for them till the end. Way to go staff. Keep up the good work, i hope we get DGB, he can change our O in ’13.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
'13? Shoot, he can change it next year!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
You are all in on Santos?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I think Santos would be the most likely commit at this point
The young man loves Texas and is looking for a new home after the Tennessee coaching turnover.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
What's his eligibility?
How many years left? Can he play right away?
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Santos is a 2012 high school grad
so he has 5 years to play 4. :)
yeah. sorry.
For some reason, I took from the discussion that he had already been on the Vol. squad.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
But, if he was so high on the SEC, why wouldn't he look at aggy?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Dat Nguyen is no longer on the staff
Nguyen was Santo’s primary recruiter at TAMU.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Dat was a class act
You have to admire how he played the game.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
him and Zach Thomas
love those small squat MLBs that just seem to be in on every play. Reminds me of my bulldog.
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I liked him in college and pro
And hate the ags and cowboys. How’d he do that?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
You mean
How’d he do dat?
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zing!
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by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Dat
played against him in high school, dude was like a giant compared to the rest of us back then. His sister runs a delicious Vietnamese restaurant down here.
Where's here?
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
Ingleside? Down near port aransas...
"If crime was justified by need it would be the occupation of the masses."- Chief Gillespie
Been through there.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe during the Fall he saw that he can play on an SEC defense at Texas without playing in the SEC.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
As MLB Texas has to appeal to you
Kennan Robinson played out of position all year long. A premier program with a need = immediate playing time.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Only question I would have is whether a true MLB might be on the sideline a lot....
against the passing offenses in the Big12.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
True
I think a MLB at Texas can do enough on first and second down to get noticed by NFL scouts.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
WOW
That’ll help with Oregon stealing state of Texas players.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Kelly is getting out while the getting is good?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Seems like he is taking a page from Pete Carroll, bailing before the sanction come to fruition.
by Pinche Gringo on Jan 22, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's the first thing I thought of
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
seems to like its is a common thought on
Many message boards right now….
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
scary thought
Very few jobs better than Oregon… Who are the top candidates?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
How appealing is the job if there are sanctions coming down?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
With Nike basically sponsoring the team
and having watched USC comeback (at least according to preseason rankings and that they would have played in the PAC 12 championship) as though it was a minor slap on the wrist, the sanctions may not be as scary as they could be. It’s not like they’re looking at the death penalty.
TEXAS FIGHT
Best way to find out if Kelly is leaving due to NCAA pressure
is if the regime distances themselves from Flennory(sp)…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Pretty obvious
Pulling a Pete Carroll.
USC seems ok with Kiffin, so I’m sure Phil and UO can find a coach of equal moral eithics. Jim Tressel?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
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Mike Sherman
Though I dont think he is sleazy enough for them
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
Supposedly
Tressel is in the lead for the Colts job.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
did not expect to see tjis in print... does he know something ee don't?
Texas HS Football texashsfootball
@
Pretyy much.. RT isellyaki: texashsfootball So Chip Kelly pulling a Pete Carroll
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Only a weasel would Bail when things are about to go down that you caused.
Chip Kelly has always struck me as being a weasel.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
I hear Carnival is looking for a new Cruise Captain
/too soon?
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Sorry
I have a “I really don’t care” sense of humor, where everything goes, and nothing is forbidden or too soon. The joke was in reference to Chip abandoning ship.
If you were offended, apologies.
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Like Pete Carroll?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
One of many
I think Jake’s hand starting cramping from doing the Hook ’Em so many times.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
There ya go Snide
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is it just me...
or does this photo look shopped at all?
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The railings at the bottom of the aisles
is higher than the railing in front of the seats. That’s what his left hand is gripping. The higher railing is to keep someone who trips going down the stairs from falling over and onto the deck below (to his likely death).
I've always wondered why the lights are on at random times.
Next time I will assume a recruit is being given the royal treatment and envisioning himself playing at DKR.
"If crime was justified by need it would be the occupation of the masses."- Chief Gillespie
Got a guesd on total number of commitments after the two Jr days?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I'd say 10 is about right
Not everybody invited will receive an offer. I think Junior Days are moving away from automatic offer weekends to evaluation weekends.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas Skyline DB Will Barrows
Samples and Barrows are expected to attend together.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff just put this on the message board at hookem
This coming from Gerry…
A member of the Dallas Skyline coaching staff reached out to us and said that Will Barrow was mistaken. He does NOT have a junior day invite from Texas. His only junior day invite is from Texas Tech.
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you for the correction
I like Barrows’ game a lot. I don’t think he should be offered early, but he should certainly continue to be evaluated.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
no problem
definitely seems like a year to take an extra long look to evaluate the db’s
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think Maurice Smith is somebody Texas should look at
I really like what I’ve heard about the young man.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
agree, i just want some guys over 6 feet
i like echols and thomas but recruiting 5’10’’ corners should not become a trend
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think Harris is clearly better as a S and Baltimore is pretty damn good also. Miles is also a big safety. The numbers at safety dont look good for Barrows in ’13 but decent player.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Barrows
He’s a lot like Samples. You have no idea how he’s good just looking at him, but there he is making play after play.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
I've been hyping the Giants at work as the 2011-2012 version of the Packers
So give me Giants. I really like their DEs.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
cruz i think
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Corpus/Laredo/RGV area
Why do you think there is a talent drop off south of San Antonio? The HS teams from Corpus/Laredo/RGV all put up impresive numbers in their districs but the day they play a team from SA or Houston, the talent difference is obvious. Of course the exception is Refugio because they won the 2A D2 state championship, but you get my point. Has any HS team south of SA put up at least a decent player that saw some time on the field for UT?
Good question
Horn Historians. I need your help here.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
I am going to give away my age here
but the fabulous Koy brothers were from way down there. Maybe Bellville or somewhere. Of course that is so long ago, it almost doesnt count. I was just looking for an excuse to talk about the Koy brothers who I loved. Ernie, Jr was starting on the first Horn team I can remember when I was a wee little lad
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
speaking of Koy
That reminded me that the Detmer brotherss were from the Valley, or at least spent some time there. Of course, they weren’t Longhorns but they were both D1 quarterbacks and Ty won the Heisman.
I dig holes. I bleed burnt orange.
correct
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Aw, you're not that old
I still relive the days of Jimmy Saxton, Worster, Mike Cotton, the Koys, Chris Gilbert, ad infinitum.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
i wish i was old enough to see them play.
hell i wish i was old enough to see Earl Campbell play
In The Morning To You
I'm that old
And Bellville was then, and is now, just west of Houston.
CC, Laredo, RGV are SOUTH Texas. The rest just feels like ST.
Doesn't Ted Koy still live in Bellville?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
i count myself lucky that i was alive to see Ricky win the Heisman
was hoping id get to see Vince and Colt win Heismans
In The Morning To You
Earl Campbell was a once in a lifetime running back.
I sincerely believe that we will have one in J. Gray. He is is Earl Campbell special and he is going to make a lot of longhorn fans happy!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Oh dang it. You're right
I think I had Bellville and Beeville confused. I could have sworn that Bellville was further south
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
I can think of a few
but they go back a ways.
James Lott of Refugio was a helluva safety and high jumper in the mid-80s. Mark McBath of CC King was starting QB the year Fred Akers took over; McBath and his backup, Jon Aune, both went down for the season (careers, it turned out) against OU, and Randy McEachern stepped in and got us to 11-0 before Cotton Bowl loss to Notre Dame. Earl Somebodyorother helped a lot. Bill Acker and Steve McMichael, both from Freer, were starting DTs in the late ’70s; McMichael was part of the great Bears Super Bowl winners of 1985.
I’ve been enjoying the last of the Christmas, uh, dark brews, this afternoon . . . more names will come to me later. Post Alka-Seltzer.
Sadly, and I don't know how to be delicate about this . . .
but the reason there are so few D1 players south of SA is the demograpics. There are relatively few black players.
The preponderance of athleties are Mexican-American, and they just don’t grow as big as the D1 athletes need to be. A number are terrific players, but they end up at places like Texas A&M Kingsville or Sam Houston State.
Also, baseball and soccer syphon off a bunch of top talent.
Agree
the kids around here are just not that big, and that is a big reason they do not do well in the playoffs when they meet the schools from the north.
EDSP is correct
We Hispanics ain’t a big people. We are smallish in stature but make up for it with our quickness, speed, and agility.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Not that I recall..
I’m from the Corpus area and I can’t recall the last player that was recruited from here for a D1 scholarship. Wes Danaher comes to mind but I think he went to SMU. Dat went to aggie… I think it has to do with the numbers and the fact that baseball is king down here. Lots of kids get recruited for baseball by big time schools from this area but football is not one of the sports that has the backing that baseball does.
Dat
I forgot about him. I think he is the last player to come out of this area and be productive.
Yeah, Rockport is pretty far south
Beautiful town.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Rockport is north to me
just sayin’
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Matamoros?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 22, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Corpus Christi, TX
sparkling city by the sea
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 23, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
Native CC-ian too
Best I can remember:
Eric Jackson, a fast small RB from Carroll got a schollie from Texas in the late ’90s or early ’00s. Lasted a year there before transferring.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Back in the Day...Weslaco sent...
Board of Regent Chair Gene Powell to UT on a scholie. One of the best players from the RGV, he blew out his shoulder as a frosh and never saw the field.
Also, Bobby Lackey had a successful career at UT as QB and kicker (1959-59).
"Risks Surround everything worth having, hide from risks and you hide from its rewards..............SUCCESS"
Old School
If we are going old school how could we forget Lynn Swann from Robstown, and Corpus own Johnny Roland.
Or the Upshaw brothers
from Robstown.
"Risks Surround everything worth having, hide from risks and you hide from its rewards..............SUCCESS"
Johnny Bailey from CC
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 9:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Believe Bailey was from Houston
played for the Javelinas. Sadly, died at age 43 a couple of years ago.
you are right
coulda sworn he was from down here since my older sister knew him. So how the hell did she know him? Hmmmm
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
He didnt play for Texas
but my all time favorite player was from CC. Inez Perez was 5’4" ( or less ) and played QB for my beloved Henderson County Junior College Cardinals in the 60’s. He punted also. Went to SMU and led a great comeback against the Aggies when Gene Stallings was coach there. I can still picture Perez out there at the end of the game with his jersey out and it hung to his knees because he was so short.
I think the next QB for HCJC might have been from CC also. Cant remember for sure but his name was Eddie Valdez and he was also very good,
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
They would rather salt water fish than play football.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
And my 20's.
Hopefully my 30’s as well.
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If we go REEEEALY old...
Tom Landry – Mission
Willie Mack Garza – Refugio
Robert Strait – Cuero
A lot of people forget that Landry played at Texas
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not only played
but starred and was team captain.
Oh Shit
totally forgot that I guy I graduated from Carroll High School in Corpus Christi in ’90 and got a schollie to Texas and played a lot. Victor Frazier was a DB. He was a decent player from what I remember.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
correct
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 23, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
There just aren't very many African American players south of SA.
I don’t mean to sound racist, but this is a fact, and a relevant fact at that.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
One possibility is demographics. That thing that the Mississippi Valley is rich in, South Texas is poor in. However, that obviously doesn’t explain everything because there are plenty of central Texas schools in this boat that do well. I really don’t know why?
by Teamdirtyleg on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Another Santos thought
Landing Santos could make a potential DLT or Chet Moss move to FB permanent barring injuries.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:44 PM CST reply actions
DLT would make a lot of sense at FB
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I think it's a good fit for his frame
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
would let his football IQ play up as well
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Bill
Give me the top 3 DE and CB recruits that UT targets next year
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I like your style
DE
1) D.J. Ward ( I think Texas must go all in here)
2) Daeshon Hall (quietly the best in state DE)
3) Christian Lacouture (Aggie commit)
CB
1) Antwuan Davis (if healthy(
2) Maurice Smith
3) Colin Janice
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Its early...
Grouping of threes make it enough info to know who to watch, without info overload
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Hall will be a player
6’6’’ – 6’7’’and around 220 – 230 already.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Texas has a really good sales pitch for DE in the 2013 class
Could lose 2 starters. Other than wilson (a Sr in 2013) there is no established depth.
Pretty much instant playing time.
Good point
I wish the in state depth was better at DE.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
very good point Horncasting. We need 2 pure DE in 2013, maybe 3.
Raulerson,
Hall
DJ
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Harris
I am guessing you left off Marcell Harris because he is technically classified as a safety.
Correct he's a safety
Any time that tries to sell him on LB, is going to find themselves out of the Marcell Harris sweepstakes.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
havent seen Hall’s film yet but great size we could use!!
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
also, deon Hollins Jr. He is a DE/OLB. Very explosive. Diaz will use him many ways!!
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think he would strongly consider it
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I have heard that DKR is not doing very well - health wise.
More than most people know.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
They showed him on TV yesterday at the bball game drinking a Coors Light
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
Well, other than his beer selection,
Horns up!!!
(Fairness dictates that I reveal I work for a brewery, part-time.)
You may ask
Sorry it took me so long to respond.
St. Arnold’s in Houston. Texas’ oldest craft brewery. Most of the product is sold in the Houston area and in Austin, but it’s available across Texas and in New Orleans.
A little off topic but...
did anyone else see DKR slamming a Coors lite during the Kansas game yesterday?
Might have been too little to late...
Eric Nahlin EricNahlin
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A Torshiro announcement is forthcoming. Sounds like an LSU affirmative, but they tell me his answer is on his way.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Eric is tight with Davis family
Darnit. Santos makes a lot of sense, best available in state defensive player .
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, since we aren't getting either DE (Davis or MEJ) we were pursuing.....
getting Santo gives us a DE by default through the freedom to spin down some other guys as you already noted.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
I think Thompson is the most obvious candidate to spin down.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
no potential last minute oos de?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
what do you mean by spin down? excuse my ignorance lol
by GooberSmoocher on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
from olb to de rush end
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Meaning take a LB and convert him to a DE.....sometimes this happens with taking a DE and making him a DT
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Recruits can not take an official visit until the fall of their senior year
Texas’ preference is for Harris to attend the 3 day camp in June rather than the Junior Days. Harris will receive his offer on February 2nd.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
i don't know about official visit
but he just made an unofficial and will be back in Austin for the first junior day
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
I thought I read that he wasn't going to make it?
This is the DB from Florida, correct?
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Harris won't be at either Junior Day
Yes he is the Florida safety.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff Howe did a story a week ago saying he was planning on coming back for one
Do you have new info saying different??
This is from the article:
"It’s a lot of tradition right there with Texas," Harris said. "It’s a good school and good state to be in. Down the line, like the other schools that offer me, I’ll always be looking at them."
Texas will be verbally offering Harris the day after signing day, which the Longhorns only do with certain elite prospects. Harris said he’s hoping to return to Austin for the Feb. 12 junior day to meet other prospects the Longhorns are expected to offer early.
"Any school that makes me a priority, I’m blessed to have that chance," Harris said. "There are a couple of guys who should be getting offers at the same time who are pretty good. We’ll all be there together at the junior day."
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Marcell has been to Texas twice so far.
He might come for JD or for the camps in the summer. Fam and player love Texas but is UF legacy.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
TB player thinks its done
Texas HS Football texashsfootball
@
WR for Bucs —> RT ArreliousBenn: We got Chip Kelly!… Let’s go Buccaneers ..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
lots of kelly is bailing to avoid the ncas on twitter...
Doug Gottlieb GottliebShow
@
govolx: GottliebShow Ron Meyer thinks Chip Kelly is getting out before hammer drops ponyexpress
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
seems like a lot of national pelple think
Oregon is dirty and is going to get caught eventually
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
My Magic 8 Ball says,
All signs point that the Temple Running and Will Lyles say yes, for what it is worth.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
dont forvet Flenory
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
laxtonto,
i hope you are right, but 75% of the $EC is dirty and they arent getting caught.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
And then.....
@ArreliousBenn Arrelious Benn
Bad source people I was just asking if we did have Chip I don’t think we do…sorry
Chip Kelly....wasn't he suppose to pick up TJ at the airport
Uh Oh.
So, where does this leave TJ. Has he completely burned all bridges to Texas? Seems like his little game backfired like mad on him.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I think TJ goes to TAMU
Ground rules will be lifted on Sundays with Bill if that happens. Y’all can have at it.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really read rules or follow them very well
If I already crossed them sorry.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
This isn't Nam, Smokey.
There are rules.
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by kriess on Jan 22, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
My dad was a medic in 'Nam
I sure as hell hope this isn’t ’Nam.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 22, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
We don't need no stinkin' rules.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
I kind of home so
Can’t you Landon Collnis laying him out? Not that I hold a grudge against kids that go on and on about being solid Texas commits then dish us. LOL
I can’t stand Gunner Kiel either. What a db in his recruitments.
Kids that have multiple commits have a 15-20% increased chance of not succeeding per a Sports Illustrated article the other day. Makes a lot of sense….Kiel was really bad.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I'd take that over 110 degree summers
And this 75 degree winter were having. Seriously, this is terrible. I want my damn winters back.
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this weather is weird
but the fact that TJ’s flight was probably cancelled due to the snow last weekend is funny. Kharma.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Not sure if this has been talked about but
Brooks or Daje?
Gun to your head, Bill…who do you pick?
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I like Daniel Brooks better as a DB and APB
Daje tests better, but Brooks is a better football player.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Bama
Can the NCAA stop turning a blind eye to those filthy cheaters, I mean seriously.
lol havent they been on probation the last 13 years?
how does that not qualify as a repeat violator
In The Morning To You
If someone handed the NCAA the goods the way they have with USC, Ohio St, and I believe Oregon....
I think they’d have no choice but to come down on them. Problem is the ones that would have the dirt are other SEC schools and there seems to be an unwritten code that none of them will turn each other in.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think tOSU got off very easy
The NCAA isn’t toothless, but they’re gumming a lot more than they’re biting.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
have your read
The proposed changes to the ncaa punishment model….. they are about to have someserious teeeth.with.little.eubjectivity
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
NCAA President Emmert reminds me Joe's Crab Shack
Free crab tomorrow.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
most likely the
New punishments will be implace before the start of next seaeon
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Yeah I agree, but there was still no denying they got caught.
Right now Bama and othe SEC schools just basically say “prove it” and thumb their noses at the accusations.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Allowing the ineligible players to play the Fiesta Bowl
Was an absolute joke. I lost the last little tiny bit of hope when they pulled that stunt.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
This actually gets me to thinking that it may provide some reason that Bama and other SEC schools...
might not push too hard into Texas where they know there isn’t a covenant to protect them.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 22, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Reason for us to join the SEC:
Everyone gets screwed except us
Aggies and Mizzou will straighten out Bama
And Auburn and LSU. Mike Slive is already all over it anyway, and now that the bow tie is helping nobody needs to worry. ha ha ha ha
We're Texas, We're not OK.
getting there just in time
To get sacrificed to the NCAA and thier new penalties
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
going to be great when they are put on probation
for the sins Bama commits
I think the 49ers went Aggie just then
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two teams going full aggy?
can the earth sustain that?
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by horns1025 on Jan 22, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Aggie Spring Game
happens every year.
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horns1025, you have to grab your and your neighbor’s crotch to watch.
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
i thought showing that was illegal on grounds of human decentcy
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
If only Texas had a network we could show our Spring Game on...
And a network that could be watched by me…
/sobs uncontrollably
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Finishing the 2012 class
I’d be fine with Texas finishing with Daje and Santos. I want DGB, but the class would be outstanding with or without him.
Maybe something for him to think about. Join a great class, or join a class that will be made or broken by his signature (Mizzou and Arkansas).
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:26 PM CST reply actions
how do the Mizzou and Arkansas classes look without DGB?
are they classes that can win National Championships?
In The Morning To You
they can't win a conference championsip
especially arkansas in the west having to go against bama and lsu
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Misery will be comparable to Miss. State., Arky will be pretty salty for next year only.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I'd say Arkansas' class is closer, but when have they ever contended for a national title?
It’s been years. Arkansas’ class doesn’t have a single 5 star, and only a few 4 stars.
Mizzou has had a rash of decommitments. Not impressive at all.
Neither classes are in the top 25.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
i hope Mack really drills a few things into DGB
1. Texas has a class that will win a National Championship
2. Texas has a young staff on offense that will put him in position to make plays
3. Texas is a NFL factory
4. he will live in Austin which is better than Fayetteville and Columbia
In The Morning To You
i think you're right though
with or without DGB this class will get us back to the promised land
In The Morning To You
Also, get a chance to become the newest member of the Color Offense
GREEN-Beckham, Ashe, Gray, Brown
by Dayward on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to rec this! Well played!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
i would be happy with that too but man would we all love DGB!!
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
What would
be one thing you would have changed defensively from lastyear?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I wish Texas had rested Hicks when he wasn't healthy
Hicks missed a HUGE tackle against OSU on one of the long TD runs. Edmond could have played MLB, and Kennan could have slid outside. Baylor and OU were just one of those days.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
remember the OSU
play…. pretty much sealed it for us
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
He filled the wrong gap, that was a mental error not a physical one. Manny Diaz had a talk with him afterwards
by Pinche Gringo on Jan 22, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Diaz talked to him about one of either two things:
1) you should have made that tackle.
OR
2) are you ok?
Tennessee message board are in full TexAgs metldown mode
Which I’m sure is Par for the Course, being a Tennessee fan since 2004.
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I hope not, but they probably do
They were founded first.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
If Peterson goes to Oregon
who would be next in line for UT’s coaching possibilities? Would Peterson want that job?
Didn't he just sign a big extension at BSU?
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Sinking ship at UO
No, he knows Texas wants him soon
and the hate keeeps rolling
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When Oregons recruiting in Texas drops off next year Oregon fans with their heads in the sand will wonder why
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I think Oregon should hire someone that can recruit So Cal well
I’m not sure Petersen gets in the conversation.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
TCU needs to be worried?
Josh Harvey joshharveyscout
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TCU fans thought they didnt have to deal with it this year, multiple outlets reporting if Kelly is gone
would target Gary Patterson
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I hope Gary is smarter than that
bit a blank check would be pretty tough to say no to
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
Interesting
TCU needs to be strong for the conference to be strong. I hope Peterson stays at TCU.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
j grey
what would be a good freshman year for jonathon grey? would it be 500 yards rushing or maybe 750 yards? could a good year be the amount of carries he gets? 100 to 150 rushes? what should we be trying to look for to let us know hes capable of getting better?
Johnathan Gray
I think he’s Texas’ third down back as soon as check in at Jester. There’s also a lot of talk that the coaches want Gray as the triggerman in the Wildcat. I’m not sure how many yards and carries that’s good for, but I think Gray will have a very good freshman season. I could see something like 8-10 TDs.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I wish Fozzy could have played for the current coaching staff longer than a year
Watching him run the Wildcat was a thing of beauty
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
I think Gray can surpass Fozzy in the Wildcat
It wouldn’t take much to move past Fozzy as a passer. Haha.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Bill, I know it sounds as if I am related to him
but I submit, by the middle of next year’s season, Gray could possible replace Brown (for carries) and the offense will be tailored to him.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Ha!
Like they would put the football players in Jester
by kotalikmyballs on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
j grey
one of the things that sold grey was he was going to share the ball with malcom brown and joe b. cant wait to see him play against wyoming tho! great game to see what hes capable of before really learning the faster game.
our DC
with how well diggs and byndum played man last year do you see us playing more man this year? hopefully they hold stills down in the RRR only team that has big play makers that somewhat scare me.
Just read the Santos' quotes about Texas
Overwhelming positive. I think he commits next weekend.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A sampling
“I’m from Texas. Texas has big interest in my book,” Santos said. “We’re going to think about it, get down there and check it out, and see how it goes.”
“I played with a bunch of guys up there in the Under Armour game – like Malcom Brown, Peter Jinkens. We just clicked,” Santos said.
“I grew up in a family that’s Texas Longhorn fans to the end,” Santos said. “Growing up a Texas fan, that helps them out a ton. We’ll just have to see.”
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
question for everyone not just bill
who was the best RB in Texas history? Ricky or Earl? i think Earl
In The Morning To You
Earl a MUCH better pro career
For which, I’m afraid, he’s paid too dearly.
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by beast in bama on Jan 22, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Hands down - Earl Campbell
DKR said it best – “When Earl ran, snot flew – Ricky doesn’t do that.”
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Apples and oranges, IMO
Earl was a huge back playing in an era of relatively smaller players.
Ricky had a burst Earl did not. On a really good team Ricky could have gained 2,500 yards. On a so-so team, Earl could get you 1,200, most of them on his own.
Tell ya what . . . I’ll take either one and Texas’ 2011 defense.
Not to get into a "who's better" argument, but...
I watched both players play and the teams they played were very comparable in size.
The best way to determine which was better is to ask todays coaches who they would start in their offensive backfield and I will guarantee you that Ricky would be riding the pines.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Depends on which Ricky you are talking about.
A lot of people laud Earl (and rightfully so) without having watched him play. I, personally, would start college Ricky over college Earl.
a couple of quibbles...
Earl weighed less than 220 in college. He didn’t bulk up until he was playing for the Oilers and their pitiful O-line, where he in essence had to engage defenders in his own backfield. He became a sledgehammer type, but when i remember him, it’s always #20 in that burnt orange. And he was the second fastest player on the team next to an Olympic sprinter.
I loved Ricky, and it’s an absolute travesty that a big lumbering volume-carry back took away his record. Ricky was special. Earl was beyond special…
Amen on Earl!
Earl was an athletic freak, he had size, balance, vision and speed. Ricky was an outstanding running back. There have been lots of outstanding running backs.
A side note about Earl – the size of his thighs are well known, but most people didn’t know that his feet were almost as wide as they were long and he wore size 13 EEEE shoes.
Also, I never saw Ricky deck Bevo like Earl nearly did at Kyle field!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Any news from Bennie?
How’d last week’s workouts go, particular with the new guys?
The off season work outs are going well
About what we heard last year. Everybody buying in and sore as hell.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
I wish
I had the network to be able to view how the workouts are conducted with the team; really interested in how he motivates them and trains each player.
They run features regularly on Longhorn Extra that feature Bennie's work outs
Pretty interesting stuff.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
if the refs aren't calling holding they are doing on justin smith
i think the giants got this
I just saw a David Tyree caliber catch
with Cruz just a second ago, oh well, I hate the Giants anyway
Torshiro Davis in home visit
Manny, Bo and Mack will be in Shreveport on Wednesday for their in home visit with Mr. Davis.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:02 PM CST reply actions
Davis made his official visit to LSU this weekend
He’s solid, but there’s a crack in the door.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
i think that will be huge!!
I hope we are the last in home to TDavis and to DGB. that would be really big!!
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I've been down on Texas' chances with Torshiro
But if allows Texas to make an in home visit, there’s certainly a chance. Davis made an official and unofficial visit to Texas.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
I guess we need to hold our breath once Oregon inevitably contacts Manny Diaz?
by goingforthecorner on Jan 22, 2012 9:22 PM CST reply actions
I would think Oregon would want an Offensive mind. I hope Diaz sticks around for a couple of years, AT LEAST!!
by TheContractor on Jan 22, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Who is the top three OOS targets?
Who should be an automatic target for UT that is realistic?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
2013 OOS targets
1) Marcell Harris
2) D.J. Ward
3) Josh Thomas ( not sure if he gets offered, but he’ll be at JD1)
Those are the 3 that have emerged so far. Look out for for Peoria, AZ DE Marcus Farria. Another big SDE like Ward.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Ward already looks
Like a beast….OU lean?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I haven't heard a preference for Ward just yet
I believe he’s visited OU and OSU.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
People like to think here in OK
that Lawton kids are OU automatically, but there has been negligible talent there for years and years. So they aren’t as close as they think (OU).
who has ties to Arizona?
I’ve noticed that UT has been recruiting players out of AZ the last few years.
Arizona recruiting
I think Texas has recruited Arizona because the state is wide open and the in state talent is quickly improving. Also Arizona is less than a 1,000 miles away. Not next door, but there’s some proximity.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
good point on Farria, his name has come up before.
Also, did Josh Thomas say UT already unofficially offered him. I hope thats not the case, i think he needs to be evaluated more.
by TheContractor on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 AM CST up reply actions
yeah.....sorry
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I think Loganville, GA SDE Robert Nkemdiche also gets offered at some point
He’s too good not to be offered.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Is there really a chance
with the top player in the country? Or is it just one of his 30 + offers?
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Searels allegedly has some kind of connection there
No I don’t think Texas will be a serious player.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
no chance
he’s a bama lock, which is disgusting considering there already have rueben foster who may be the best lb recruit in the last 5 years
by CanadianHorn on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
go for it, ask the prettiest girl to the dance!!
worst she will do is say no.
by TheContractor on Jan 23, 2012 2:57 AM CST up reply actions
or she will laugh
than spit in your face and call her big ol’ inbred boyfriend to make you squeal like a piggy!
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Flashbacks, bro?
:)
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LOL - oooooo, this was an evil cut!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 24, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Nkemdiche
Is the best player in the country currently playing high school football at any level.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions
We should make some push
We need DE’s and Diaz and the rest of the staff could sell water to a fish.
Lots of competition for Nkemdiche
Georgia is a stuff state to recruit. Florida, Auburn, Alabama and Georgia all recruit the state very hard.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
i think Foster will push him for the top spot. Both are great talents.
by TheContractor on Jan 23, 2012 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
Hobbs
Texas seems to be waiting on developments from DGB and Torshiro before they offer Hobbs. Should know more by Wednesday or Thursday.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:43 PM CST reply actions
how bad of a
“need” is Hobbs at this point?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I think it's more about available spots than positional needs
Out of Texas’ remaining targets Hobbs is the lowest rated recruit.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think Texas would take 4 if it were the right four
Obviously Texas would take Torshiro, DGB, Daje and Santos. I think they would take Daje, Santos and Hobbs if things didn’t work out with DGB and Torshiro.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:51 PM CST reply actions
If we have to wait out Davis and DGB til signing day because the staff thinks we still have a chance,
…would Hobbs wait it out to see if we still take him or would he want to move on? I’m not sure what his offer list looks like.
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Hobbs will commit to Texas if offered
Memphis seems to be running second. I think he’ll wait out Texas.
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
It sounds like the Aggies are expecting to lose Corey Thompson... to LSU
by billfromlaketravis on Jan 22, 2012 10:20 PM CST reply actions
Another one?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Jan 22, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
What are the odds we will hear from Beergut?
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Is this true? I can believe it from what he said on one of his comments at his blog.
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
For amusement I went to TexAgs
They have a thread about 6th street whereby one of their goobers was bragging how he walked the street in his ag garb and got some really mean stares, but he wasn’t skeered! LOL, the thread commenced to elaborate how Austin is the state capital and is just as much their city as it is UT’s. I’m telling you, the SEC is just gonna LOVE them over there!
"We're Texas. We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Bill, have you heard anything about Mike Mitchell?
The guy is by most accounts a good pass-rushing OLB/DE with room to grow, but he’s not even rated by Rivals, and I haven’t heard his name around here.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM CST reply actions
Pass rushing DE?
I would have liked to take a shot out of the Nigerian kid committed to Northwestern.
Odibigbo or something along those lines?
Dude is an animal!
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