Note to Case McCoy
by Barista on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST
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I know that your career at The University is not turning out like you had hoped, and you have had to endure a lot of criticism. But to me and thousands of other Horn fans you deserve to be listed among the all-time greats.
You found a way to beat aggy in College Station in what I hope was our last game with them.
Thank you Mr. McCoy. We will never forget you.
Hook 'em
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Couldn't agree more!
Hopefully there’s a healthy qb competition this spring and only the hardest worker earns the job, no body deserves a gimmie…hook em’
It's hard being a Longhorn fan in the state of Oklahoma!!
by okhornfan on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Listed among the all time greats...
This is equally as idiotic as your other posts, however, at least you are being positive. Generally, moronic spewings that are positive in nature are less annoying. So thats a step.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
by SwimTexas on Jan 30, 2012 6:55 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
and those negative in nature are usually more annoying
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 30, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree -
Case, now you have to work on that NFL pedigree and transfer out of UT.
Texas State, Abilene Christian, or UTSA need a starting QB.
Good luck
Yea,
Gilbert actually HAS talent and was practically ran out of Austin.
McCoy has no talent whatsoever, and is some how heralded as a game changer!
By the way – I look at the Aggie win as more of a defensive and Justin Tucker win. That is if you are going to point to a single aspect of the game.
Gilbert's #'s
were awful. He threw 10 tds starting an entire season and 17 Ints. Texas went 5-7 the year he was a starter. He had “talent” but wasn’t there mentally. McCoy has “no talent” but at least made good decisions and set up the last drive ever vs ATM. I wouldn’t say McCoy won it for us either, but I would say that he helped us win by leading that final drive, which won the game. I really don’t get all this McCoy hate, did he do something to you? He’s really not that bad. Or at least not worst than all of your boi Ash at this point.
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
by Mclovin1035 on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Gilbert,
We’ll see what he does this year at SMU and how the rest of his career play out. Especially the big question, which is how will he do IF he gets in the NFL?
As for Gilbert – yea, he sucked it up in 2010 for sure. I failed to recognize the difference between his dismall year in 2010 and the lack of success that UT fan’s encountered in 2012 at QB.
And McCoy looked fantastic throwing 4 picks against Baylor in Waco. So, yea, give the kid the glory for the A&M game and then remember that atleast Gilbert beat a top 15 team in their own house as a starter. With a lot less talent as well. And with braindead Davis calling the plays.
McCoy sux – and he has absolutely NO chance of EVER seeing an NFL football field. None.
I agree with Chupita on just about everything she said.
Personally, I believe Gilbert deserved our support, not our wrath.
The way our fans treated him has forever made me HATE our fans. I LOVE our team, but we have a bunch of mouth breathers for fans.
That’s just like, my opinion man.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Love the Lebowski reference
but back off on the rest of us fans. Gilbert did nothing to earn our support. Given he’d pretty much gotten brain fucked by GDGD but you can’t expect support from any fan base used to winning after leading them to 5-7.
Uh?
I agree with Chupita on just about everything she said
……
The way our fans treated him has forever made me HATE our fans. I LOVE our team, but we have a bunch of mouth breathers for fans.
McCoy sux – and he has absolutely NO chance of EVER seeing an NFL football field. None.
Do you not see the disconnect here?
They dont
All the haters dillude themselves. I never hate on anyone who puts on the burnt orange and gives his effort.
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
by Mclovin1035 on Jan 30, 2012 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Superhorn...I see one fan expressing his feelings on McCoy's suckitude...
I heard and saw the entire stadium boo Gilbert to the point that no way him and his family can feel comfortable in their hometown anymore.
Gilbert had the entire fan base on his back as if he was to blame for the recruitment and development of our offensive players.
Big differences between both experiences, IMHO.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 30, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
The distinction differs in magnitude. I get that much.
I just think that supporting a statement of “McCoy sux” out of one side of your mouth, and condemning fans for booing is conflicting. They are saying the same things, only in different forums and in different ways. I agree that one is decidedly worse than the other. I just find your position on both contradictory.
If McCoy chooses to come on this website...
and read what fans have to say about him…then that’s on him.
But, to actively go to the stadium and boo our QB until he has to transfer to another school is a whole different banana.
If you choose to support your QB or not, doesn’t make you a crappy fan. In my book, it’s as much in how you voice your displeasure.
I don’t see anything contradictory to what I’m saying. Let’s agree to disagree.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
As noted, I understand the distinction.
And, I have no issue with arguing over the merits of starting one player over another, or the issues one has with player performance. That’s entirely different than simply saying “McCoy sux”, IMO.
I suppose it could be that I’m just caught up in the rhetoric, but I’d expect Longhorn fans to be a little more classy and tactful.
That's where the mistake is bro...
our fanbase has shown itself to be less than what you are expecting.
I wish it was different but we are probably not much different than 95% of the fanbases out there.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe so. But, indifference or passivism only makes it worse.
It’s clear that you, Chupita, MattW, and likely others think it’s acceptable to succinctly describe Case McCoy with “he sucks”.
I suppose that my voicing dissent over that rhetoric may not change anything. At a minimum, though, it shows that not all Longhorn fans feel that this is an appropriate way to describe a student athlete (and a Longhorn, no less).
It doesn't make anybody better or worse
because they say “he sucks”. They have proven statistical data that can prove that. Can it be voiced more maturely? Sure. But this is a forum for voicing unadulterated opinion.
There is no moderator for that kind of stuff. I’m not calling you the police or anything like that, but there doesn’t need to be any policing for those kinds of opinions unless they are completely untrue.
Statistical data?
Well then, if Case sucks, Ash must SUCK even worse, more than Gilbert I guess. I hope Ash or Case can succeed. Really though, neither of them have passed the standard for Texas quaterback yet. I don’t think either suck, and I hope one or both of them improve enough to be a competent QB.
I think its awful that people booed GG, and Booed Sims. I wish our fans had more class with our own players, but the reality is that they don’t. No need to sink to the other fans’ level, and no need to look at a post about Case when he “sucks”. When you say _ sucks they go on OU’s level, keep that in mind
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
Statistical data proves Case was the most effective QB.
People ignore this &, instead, place more value on size, strength, and “potential”. That stance is perfectly valid to take but performance (stats) have had little to do with this particular debate.
That's like saying
the poop at the top is less smelly then the poop in the middle.
I agree, though, even though I like Ash better Case was more effective. That’s for sure.
2 young, inexperienced, underperforming choices.
Let’s hope 2012 brings less-smelly poop!
Now booing is something completely different.
Also, nobody is bringing up Ash or Gilbert. This isn’t that kind of discussion.
My point was that kind of stuff happens on boards like this all the time. They have their point, people who like Case have their point, and people in between have theirs.
Again, it's not that it's necessarily untrue.
It’s the rhetoric that I take issue with.
Presumably, that’s the distinction. It would appear that your (and others) threshold of “negative rhetoric tolerance”, let’s call it, is higher than mine. By the same token, I’d say that it’s safe to assume that if other explitives where gradually inserted into the description of Case McCoy, we’d (I hope) eventually reach a point where you’d say it’s uncalled for.
There’s nothing wrong with criticizing Case’s play in a tactful, and reasonably respectful manner. In a sense, that’s one of the core things that makes these blogs work. Shifting gears, you may have a co-worker/colleague that’s horribly inefficient at his job. Just because he’s bad at his job doesn’t entitle you to, for example, call him hopelessly moronic to co-workers. Just because someone in your family is fat, doesn’t mean it would be right to call them a fat slob at family dinners.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Because something is true, it doesn’t absolve the writer/speaker of the responsibility to say it in a better way.
No, I agree.
I definitely agree. I don’t like Case, but will never say he sucks or boo him in a game or anything like that.
I just understand that this is a forum for opinion and more likely then not it will be said, unfortunately.
People will save a lot of grey hairs if they just ignore it.
Are you guys mixed up?
McCoy has the talent, but not the arm. Gilbert had the arm, but not enough talent.
TEXAS FIGHT
Very nice!
You’ve summed up the whole QB dilemma in a nutshell. And It happens to be very accurate.
Case is a “signature moment” guy so far to date. He had good moments to pull the team out of the fire versus BYU and Agroid. Likewise, he had his pouty meltdown vs OU and stunk it up against Baylor.
I feel like there is another storyline or two still in store for him… If he somehow bulks up and wins the starting job, that would really be something. Barring that, he’ll be next year’s backup… Might have a chance to lead the team through another bad situation and add some more to his story.
I really enjoy the Aggy win story as it stands now, though it’s kind of depressing that we were in so poor a situation at all so as to need skinny old Case to sprint down the field and somehow not fumble when four dudes were trying to strip his loaf-of-bread hold. Still will always have a little place in my longhorn heart for that though.
by Tackchevy on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Especially given his bro's history with Aggie
The ‘Cart McCoy’ rhetoric and Colt’s TD dash down the middle at the Kyle Field. Oh no! Not again!!!! Poor Aggy. This type of thing is the real reason they left for the SEC. Ditto Nebraska.
"One player was lost because he broke his nose. How do you go about getting a nose in condition for football?" -- Darrell K Royal, when asked if the abnormal number of Longhorn injuries that season resulted from poor physical conditioning
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
the all time greats?
haha. all time noodle arm? all time self sacker? kid sucks. you wouldn’t give two shits about him if his last name wasn’t mccoy.
Kid sucks? Get over yourself.
What could have possibly been productive about posting this reply? A guy wants to support a Longhorn quarterback and you feel the need to belittle not only the poster, but also the player?
mattw
does make a good point though.
If it wasn’t for his last name…I’m fairly certain he wouldn’t be around.
Especially after the OU game…or the helicopter dad issues…or the shopping himself around to other schools…am I missing anything else?
by Hippie Killer on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt, that his last name got him here.
And, in no way am I suggesting that this kid is winning a Heisman anytime soon. The remainder of his career is likely as a backup.
I think the OU deal is overblown, and a result of maturity issues combined with frustration during a horrible loss. I can’t blame him for his father’s issues. As for shopping himself around, he came right out and said that wasn’t true. Maybe he’s lying? I dunno. Seems like these handful of things (most of which are unsubstantiated, I’d add) don’t amount to enough to hate a player.
What I saw last year was a kid who lacked the skill set to be competitive consistently at the D-1 level, yet busted his ass when he was on the field. I think it’s chicken shit that members of our fan base have no issue stating that McCoy (or Gilbert) suck. Constantly trashing them. Even booing them at times on the field. It’s a disgrace and an embarrassment. To go out of one’s way to make a reply on a UT fan site in a post that highlights the good things a player brought to the program is something I can’t understand.
Totally agree
However McCoy statistically was good enough in high school ( I believe he’s one of the top qbs in texas high school history, maybe just 3a statistically) his last name probably helped get texas’ interest.
Texas didn’t recruit earl campbells son from 5A westlake, I don’t think the last name is all to it. I highly doubt Case was stupid enough to refuse to come in. Never saw a reliable source about it, just another reason for fans to hate, we don’t know the context or degree it happened if it did
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
by Mclovin1035 on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well said, SuperHorn & Mclovin.
Once Gilbert, McCoy, etc… committed to the ’Horns, they had my support. Anything less is just sad.
“If it wasn’t for his last name…I’m fairly certain he wouldn’t be around.” – HK
Yeah, & if it wasn’t for his name … I’m positive he wouldn’t be gettin’ so much crap from the “fans”.
The OP went out of his way to praise McCoy...
seems like a different kind of “Crap” than what Gilbert was getting.
I’m guessing you don’t see the difference Rob.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the OP was great! Kudos to him for bein' so positive & supportive of a player.
I see the difference-o’-crap plenty, thanks. Regardless of what crap is spewing, the end result always turns out the same with fair-weather fans: A half-empty glass. Lots of unfounded speculation & lots of ignorance as to the value of every Longhorn player.
please..
in a vacuum the kid isn’t any good. in practice the kid isn’t any good. those are facts. if you want to rah rah a guy who isn’t any good in the name of what…being nice? ok, i guess. i’m not gonna boo the kid. just quit perpetuating the myth this kid is afforded because of his last name and a HANDFUL of plays.
sure, we can get behind players who try their best. we all should. i think it’s funny (and really convenient) of you to just dismiss all the reports of the kid (and his father) being a prissy malcontent who isn’t at fault in any of this. that’s just a difference in what we’re choosing to believe.
I'm not 100% in agreement with you...
but you do hit the nail on the head on a couple of things.
Especially the part about “Choosing to believe”.
Fans (fanatics) believe what they want. A perfect example is Joe Paterno.
The idiot who stood up at Joe Paterno’s funeral and dumped the blame of his death on the media, chooses to believe that Paterno did everything he could to help those kids from 1998 to present day. The facts prove otherwise, but you can’t convince that guy and the other losers who applauded him at the funeral for such a dispicable comment.
BTW…McCoy is going to be a Junior in college now. He’s not a KID!!!!
We can stop calling him a kid. Some of you people may be old as dirt, but that doesn’t make him a kid. He is a grown ass man now and every time we call athletes, who are no longer in High School, “kids” than it gives them and everybody else an excuse to overlook their dumbassery and not hold them accountable for their actions…just like any of the other “kids” on campus.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 30, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
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if you want to rah rah a guy who isn’t any good in the name of what…being nice? ok, i guess.
Rah rah? It’s f*cking supporting an amateur athlete. Have a little respect for not only the program, but also the hours these kids put in. No one’s asking for you to bake him cookies and shoe polish his car windows before games. Just have enough respect to keep your mouth shut when no one has provoked you for a dissenting, inflammatory, and unproductive comment.
sure, we can get behind players who try their best. we all should. i think it’s funny (and really convenient) of you to just dismiss all the reports of the kid (and his father) being a prissy malcontent who isn’t at fault in any of this. that’s just a difference in what we’re choosing to believe.
I’m not dismissive about it. But, there’s not enough there for me to have an outright hate for the kid. And, there’s certainly not enough substance for me to hop on a post supporting McCoy only to say “kid sucks”. Have a little respect for the players. A degree and a keyboard doesn’t entitle one to be an ass.
by SuperHorn on Jan 30, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i have plenty of respect for the dudes
that don’t act like what’s been described of case (and/or darius white.) you go on ahead w/ lapping up all the sunshine and lollipops, man. because they play for us doesn’t mean that they haven’t acted like dicks. believe me, though, you’ve won…i’ll stay out of your way here and for the ""christian scott we’ll miss u bro u weren’t as good as we thought u’d be sorry u punched dat lady tho" thread.
Case McCoy hates to lose and competes to win
I’ll take a winner over a loser everytime. Nice post.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
by Wrangler86 on Jan 30, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I've never actually met anybody that LOVES to lose.
It’s reallly too bad Gilbert couldn’t block for himself or catch his own passes.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 30, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
No, but it's fairly easy to find athletes nowadays who really don't mind losing.
They care more about money, prestige, girls, power, etc… Wrangler is right. He busts his arse to win.
You’re right about Gilbert, though. His offensive teammates sure didn’t do him any favors in 2010.
by robthecob on Jan 30, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking in terms of Matt Shaub
He is a good player, but he does not HATE to lose. He has no killer instinct and does not seem pissed off when things don’t happen like they should. He is so ambivalent about losing it makes me nuts. I want some passion out of the QBs since they are the leaders.
Take a guy like VY. He is emotional and passionate, but that guy HATES to lose—and it was a terrible situation at Tennessee because Fisher wanted him to fail. I’m sure he was going nuts.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Two crystal-clear examples there.
Well-cited. To me, though, the pro game is a whole different animal than college. When it becomes a job for these guys and their media exposure explodes, I’ll bet they get pretty well disenchanted by the kid’s game that they grew up playing. I guess that’s why I loved Coach Jimmy Johnson. Being a Psych major in college, it seemed like he always knew what buttons to push and how to get the highest competitiveness out of every player. Now, THAT’s a guy that absolutely hated to lose!
Case wont ever be one of the all time great Texas QBs
Nor should he be. But he will certainly always have a big place in Texas history for the way he got the team into position to kick that game winner against A&M
In The Morning To You
by horns1025 on Jan 30, 2012 6:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah,
I remember the time Case did nothing but meander his way down the field against a terrible DeRuyter call. But let’s give Case all the credit, not DeRuyter who made one of the worst calls (and series) I’ve ever seen in a big game.
And no, I’m not trying to hate on Case.
One play does not make an all time great.
Cases’ “run” was a memorable, not great play. It reminded me of an 18 year old freshman on 6th street trying to make one more “last call” round at 2:00AM. And DeRuyter did have a terrible defensive call but an aggie db could have dropped Case about 10 yards short of his final resting spot but instead of wrapping him up he hit him with a shoulder. Case just bounced forward about another 10 or 12 yards. It could have changed the games outcome. I’ve never seen one comment about that db.
I was expecting Case to get stripped of the ball.
Still a great moment in Longhorn history.
I’m glad I saw it.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I agree.
I’m not trying to take anything away from Case, but we forget his own offensive lineman yelled at him during that game. He made quite a few bonehead plays.
He was there when needed, but to throw him into the “all-time greats” list is just silly.
Bonehead plays.
I think that the sheer intensity of that game led many players on both offenses to play extremely tight & ineffective. The QBs are just the ones who, rightfully, get all the scrutiny for their many mistakes. It was the most intense game I’ve seen in several years. Everyone knew how bad it would be to lose that one.
bonehead lineman
And the lineman should be ashamed of that. Didn’t he jump offsides a few plays later on a critical down? Case didn’t say a thing to him. That’s called leadership.
All these facts by these Case haters. Here are some facts:
Case was our highest rated QB last year.
Case had NEVER thrown an interception in his career until the Baylor game.
Ash in 4 games had 0 TD passes and 6 picks.
And I don’t have the exact #s, but I’d bet Ash has more game snaps than McCoy
Case is a winner and he deserves our praise. He doesn’t have the raw talent of Ash or Gilbert, but he’s got a lot going for him.
I hope he gets a fair shot next year and I hope both Case and Ash improve.
by bu2 on Jan 31, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well from Mack's own mouth
Walters is a leader on the offensive line so to say he isn’t a leader because he jumped offside is absurd. Jumping offsides happens. Delay of game penalties shouldn’t. But that’s neither here nor there.
Case was our highest rated QB last year, ahead of a true freshman and a walk-on. Not exactly world-beating.
You’re right, Case didn’t throw an interception until the Baylor game (where he threw 4) but he fumbled countless times and missed a million throws.
Ash did not play well last year. That I agre on.
I’m not sure about snap count, but at this point it’s really irrelevant. Both QBs were bad this year. Really bad.
Case has won some games. That does NOT make him a winner. He deserves praise for winning the games he’s won, but that does not absolve him from the terrible season he had.
I’m sure he will get his shot, but from the bowl game prep and the game itself, it looks like the staff wants to go forward with David Ash.
Either way, I just want one to succeed. I think it will be Ash.
I thought Walter's getting in McCoy's face was WONDERFUL!
It’s nice to have some fire from our OL and love the fact that Walter’s will hold his teammates accountable.
by Hippie Killer on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
sorry
Calling out your teammates in public destroys teamwork. What it shows is he was out of control. You praise in public and criticize in private. Jumping offsides wasn’t his problem. It was making a scene because someone (like himself) wasn’t perfect.
I don’t think both QBs were “bad.” They certainly weren’t great and weren’t what we need to get to the top. But they were better than we had last year. If not for the 4 injuries to Shipley and our backfield, we probably would have finished 9-3 in the toughest conference in college football.
by bu2 on Feb 2, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree.
Accountability is vital to teamwork. O-lineman work their butts off and are NEVER recognized for their good work.
I don’t necessarily like that he yelled at Case, but it showed that he is a leader, and leaders hold their players accountable.
Kudos to Case, he handled it extremely well. These players aren’t babies, they can take the criticism or they can’t. If you wear that Longhorn on your helmet you better be accountable.
I don’t think Ash and Case were better than Gilbert (if he would have stayed) and Connor Wood (if he would have stayed). That’s just my opinion.
by 40A on Feb 2, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Gilbert?
We don’t know about Wood. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have played this year. Gilbert? He cost us a number of games with his bad decision making. He showed zero improvement in that category. The team was repeatedly deflated by the interceptions game after game. Ash and McCoy made fewer mistakes.
I’ll agree that Gilbert has the talent to make it to the NFL if June Jones can teach him judgement, but he just didn’t have it here and showed no signs of developing it.
by bu2 on Feb 2, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm
Wood would definitely have played this year had he stayed.
Ash and Case made mistakes all seasons with less starts than Gilbert.
I’m not saying Gilbert would be that good, but we never got to see him completely healthy this year because of his shoulder injury and subsequent transfering.
by 40A on Feb 2, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'd agree
Gilbert won the job because he was the best qb on the roster. He threw a lot of Ints, but he moved the ball. I think he improved for this season, and his injury was part of his struggles vs BYU ( though I’d admit, he made some awful throws)
Wood, we have no idea about. Could he have been better? Yes! Could he have truly been the 4th best QB on the roster? Yes. I think we should’ve redshirted Ash to begin with and had wood compete with McCoy for the #2 spot. But this is all retrospective.
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
True,
as they say, “hindsight is 20/20”, but at the time I thought that we should’ve shelved Ash for a season. It’s all speculation at this point, but Wood was in the program longer, and from all the reports, he was a good kid with a good work ethic.
by 40A on Feb 3, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, bu2.
Just because Walter had a bit of a meltdown seizure towards McCoy in the heat of the moment doesn’t mean that this stuff wasn’t going on the whole season between the linemen and the RBs & QBs. Ash & McCoy, both, (& esp. Gllbert in ‘10) had PLENTY of reasons throw a seizure against those offensive linemen for being porous. Anyone that’s played upper-level football knows that the occasional meldown towards teammates (& the reverse) is just part of the game. There’s less to that incident than people make it out to be.
You'll never see an aggy comment about that DB's mistake because ...
… they couldn’t get past the “horrible” personal foul call made just seconds before. Their fans quit after that.
Barista may have overstepped a bit
by placing Case in the all time greats, but I don’t understand some of the negative comments here. I’m pretty sure if Colt or VY make the play on the last drive to set up the winning FG it would have been considered one of the gutsiest, athletic performances by a UT QB, and deservedly so because those two did it on a consistent basis. Case, with markedly less talent/ability, made the plays at that time to put the TEAM in position to win. If it was OU it’s called Sooner Magic. Something a player does to help the team win and in the process endears him to the fan base. It seems to me this is where Case is at this point in his UT career. Maybe on a better team, which looks to be where Texas is heading, he could be a game manager and be successful. More than likely though, a back up role is his lot. It may be wearing burnt orange and giving his all when he has the opportunity is what is important to him. Give him credit for that.
by soonerspeak on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Of course it would have been.
That’s because Colt and VY led us to infinitely more wins, threw infinitely less interceptions, and didn’t make bonehead plays constantly. He made “play” that put the team in position to win. Tucker made the kick, the defense and special teams WON the game.
The thing that upsets me about Case is that he is exactly where he was when he came on campus. From that, it’s easy to tell he’s not a hard worker and that is something Vince and Colt definitely were.
He gets props from most of us for that play, but you can’t just erase the past season of serious disappointment from him based on one play.
Colt is the all time leader in
Interceptions in school history. Comparing Case to either is absurd, but its not like either didn’t have their flaws.
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
Um
He had slightly more attempts, and more touchdowns. And a higher completion percentage, yards per pass attempt, yards per rush, and rushing yards. Overall, he was just better.
Nobody is denying that VY or Colt had flaws. What many are finding puzzling is that one good play somehow erases the terrible performances Case gave us throughout this season. That is not a meaningful way to evaluate a player. I hope Case improves, but not only is he not one of the all time greats, it became crystal clear why he didn’t start over Gilbert and why he couldn’t keep his job from Ash even when Ash faltered.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 31, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Not making the comparison of Colt and Case. Just pointing out the absurdity of that comparison by “soonerspeak”.
You said
That’s because Colt and VY led us to infinitely more wins, threw infinitely less interceptions,
Neither of them threw infinitely less. I’m not making any comparisons of case and colt. Case is nowhere close. If Colt and VY have thrown infinitely less int than case, Ash has thrown 2x infinity more than them.
"There's more to it than just winning games" - Rick Barnes
I wasn't really trying to compare Case w/ Colt or VY
You are right. there is no comparison in their capabilities or achievements. My point is trashing a player after he’s been busting his tail, regardless of his production, is unfair. He made some plays in a storied rivalry and for that he deserves some credit from the fan base, although maybe not to the extent the original post referenced. I don’t think UT hands out a scholly based on a name even if it is McCoy. The guy had some talent or he wouldn’t be there. He got a shot and didn’t win the job. More than likely he wont get another shot with the talent Texas can and does recruit. I think Case will be remembered for what he did achieve, contributing to a big win in the UT-ATM rivalry, but not being good enough to win the starting QB job @ Texas.
That's a very realistic assessment.
Your opinion is based much more in realism & actual performance than based on “potential”, measureables, or loathing. Case did get his shot and he won the starting job 1/2 of the time. He certainly has issues to improve but he still has value. He has been a big contributor to some wins so far and he’s still got the opportunity to continue that trend. I think we’ve got 2 very capable guys at QB right now and we continue to get QB talent coming in. May the best man win the starting job each week and may the fan base start appreciating these kids’ good play.
Good observation, soonerspeak. Thanks for chiming in.
I thought Case’s exploits this year were very Peter Gardere-ish. Pete came through in many big games (OU 4X) but he would probably never even be in the “Top 7” list of greatest UT QB’s ever. He lacked size, talent, and perfect performance but he seemed to gut out some very good wins in a not-so-great Texas era of football.
It did not mater who started in the National Championship,
just a couple years ago, because we need more than one QB. We need them both to improve, and play at their best. Neither Ash nor Case was ready to start for Texas last season, and I blame our staff. They do the recruiting and are responsible for developing these players. Less responsible for Ash because he was a true freshman. GG wasn’t ready for Alabama either. Other factors come into play also, like all new staff and offense, on top of not working with Case much in 2010 when GG was starting. He really should be a little further along by now, and it is partially Texas’ fault.
Does that mean Case should have any kind of freebee second chances? Hell No. I personally do not care which one starts. I also don’t care if we have one starter or not. Whoever is QB on the field at the moment needs fan’s full support. And I hope to God at this point, the job is still open to anyone. May the best QB start and the second best be ready to come in.
We should put an end to the boo-ing though, or try and play it off like we all just mooo-ed.
Walters screaming at a QB on the field is unacceptable. It’s proven that never helps during a game, and often makes things worse. It demoralizes the player in the moment, and makes the entire team look bad. If he wants to yell, he should be doing it in practice. It was fitting that he made his own mistake only a few plays later.
by BurntOrangeH00ker on Mar 3, 2012 12:38 AM CST reply actions
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