Oklahoma State Fiesta Bowl Win Improves Big 12 Bowl Record to 6-1
by Peter Bean on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM CST
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PrintFollowing Oklahoma State's thrilling 41-38 overtime win in the Fiesta Bowl over Stanford last night, the Big 12 now owns an impressive 6-1 record in its bowl games this season, the best mark among the top seven conferences.
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The only Big 12 team to lose its bowl game is Iowa State, the team which is also largely responsible for the Big 12 not having a team in the BCS Championship Game. I was deeply disappointed that voters passed over the Pokes for an SEC rematch, in large part because by just about every reasonable measure the Big 12 was the strongest conference in college football this year.
Entering bowl season, the Big 12 had seven teams in the Top 25 of the SRS: #2 Oklahoma State, #6 Oklahoma, #11 Texas A&M, #14 Baylor, #19 Missouri, #21 Texas, and #22 Kansas State. A Wildcats win over Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl on Friday night would make the Big 12's 2011 bowl season one of the more dominant performances by a conference in recent years.
If the Big 12 does indeed finish the bowl season 7-1, perhaps voters will take note and, should Alabama win the rematch, cast their votes for Oklahoma State and a split national title. More likely, they'll wave SEC pom-poms and split it for LSU -- what could be better than one SEC national champion: two! -- so it really is a shame that Oklahoma State fell flat in Ames.
Not that Texas fans are in the market for moral victories, but at least as far as putting this season in context and looking ahead as the program rebuilds, the Longhorns were an average quarterback and some better luck with injuries away from 9 wins in what was probably the strongest ever field of Big 12 teams. With some key attrition to the NFL I don't expect the conference to be nearly as strong in 2012, and a return to 10 wins for Texas is looking promising.
Congrats to all our Big 12 comrades on a truly impressive 2011 season. And go K-State!
Who says the Big 12 can't do solidarity?
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Doesn't matter
Here is where everyone will say that bowl results are a horrible way to determine the strength of conferences. Same excuse used the few other times the SEC has been average in bowls.
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While I hate it
Hard to argue it isnt a reasonable barometer. With so few inter-conference games it is about the only thing we have. A lot depends on match-ups, but still better than randomly comparing teams
Long live the The Big XII - No wonder aggy retreated to a weaker conference!
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Big 12 and Texas
Not that Texas fans are in the market for moral victories, but at least as far as putting this season in context and looking ahead as the program rebuilds, the Longhorns were an average quarterback and some better luck with injuries away from 9 wins in what was probably the strongest ever field of Big 12 teams.
I look at the situation this year in a different way. I think Texas blew an absolutely golden chance to win the conference while OU was somewhat down and there wasn’t a truly dominant team. I know Ok State was good this year, but I don’t think they were truly great like a lot of the OU and Texas teams were in the ’00’s.
Again
Every reasonable measure supports a very different picture, which is that the conference was as strong top-to-bottom as its ever been. And this Pokes team — whether or not they were national championship good — were absolutely as strong, or stronger, than quite a few of the teams that have won the Big 12 over the last decade.
76-37-5. Now GTFO.
Would be a great idea for another post.
I’m too lazy to get this started but it would interesting for someone knowledgeable to rate the best Big 12* football teams in history … and then let everyone else slam & criticize the list. What fun! The season is over and we were 8-5. What else do we have to do now?!
And don’t even THINK about not putting the 2005 National Champion Texas Longhorns #1 on that list.
Without a lot of thought
1. 2005 L/horns
2. 1997 Huskers ( I know, I know, I despise them more than you)
3. 2000 OU
4. 1998 KSU ( and if we hadn’t choked in the championship game, I’d move ’em a slot)
oh hail the Purple and White
So, do we count Aggie and Mizzou wins?
Or TCU’s? And maybe West Virginia’s (Orange Bowl, vs. Clemson).
I’m ticked there’s a rematch for the BCS title game. But if Oregon doesn’t stumble to USC, that rematch is probably LSU-Oregon.
And I have no sympathy for Oklahoma State. There was ample evidence that Iowa State was a threat (Nebraska in Lincoln in ‘09, UT in Austin in ’10, Tech in Lubbock this season). Cowboys led that one by double figures in the 3Q. Championship teams, or championship wannabe’s, don’t let that kind of game get away.
Does the fact they had the tougher SOS and lost on the road after a pretty significant tragedy sway you at all?
IMO 3 teams were worthy of a shot at LSU, and only one of them hadn’t played them yet. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Actually, this year the best argument is probably to just give the title to LSU without a title game.
Yes on the tragedy. Could cut OSU some slack for that
No on the road game . . . everybody has home and road games.
Agreed . . . this is one of those years where the BCS should have voted LSU the title PRE BOWLS, and then arranged an attractive “Non-title” BCS playoff. That’s what all the other bowls are — non-title entertainment affairs.
My bounce-back question is this: What did Alabama do to NOT deserve being No. 2? Same basic schedule as LSU. Granted, Tigers beat No. 5 Oregon and Big East champ West Virginia. Bama drummed a Top 25 team (Penn State) in (Un)Happy Valley. Tide allowed a combined 31 points to Florida, Vandy, Miss. State (all bowl teams), Tennessee and Mississippi.
Only difference in LSU and Alabama at this point is Bama missed a bunch of makeable field goals. NOT in Baton Rouge, I grant you.
Remember what the BCS is . . . a system designed to match the top two teams for a title match. SOMEBODY gets left out every year: Auburn in ’04, us in ’08, USC in ’03, TCU in 2010.
by edsp on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really hate to agree with you
But I agree with you.
Oregon is probably the second best team in the country, but they blew it against USC. Wisconsin could have gone to New Orleans if not for two improbable Hail Mary heaves. Stanford couldn’t cut it against the speed of Oregon. The Pokes lost their focus in Ames; regardless of the circumstances, that’s what it ultimately comes down to. All of these teams had their chances to seize this opportunity.
What we’re left with is a team that lost in OT (albeit at home) to the undisputed #1 team. By process of painful elimination, that’s what we’re left with: a dreadful rematch.
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by beast in bama on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Bama lost at home
What did Alabama do to NOT deserve being No. 2?
IMO one of the biggest truths about college football is that it is tough to win on the road. If you accept this a truth, the flip side is that it is easier to win at home. Now, I’m not going to argue that playing ISU is in the same ballpark as playing LSU no matter the venue. But IMO:
Ok State SOS, road loss and not having played LSU >
Bama SOS, home loss and head to head loss against LSU; and
Oregon SOS, neutral site loss and head to head loss against LSU.
Well
Their SOS was far weaker than OSU’s. OSU had 1 loss in the best conference in the country top to bottom this season. Bowl records will indicated this, Big XII 7-1, SEC 5-4
They beat far less top 25 teams and only 3 teams with winning records, Okie State beat 7
They got in because of SEC bias, ESPN and everyone switching from who’s resume was more worthy to the magical eyeball test. Due to this SEC bias ESPN decided that now that you can not win your division and make it into the title game( the opposite of when we didn’t win the Big XII south and Florida made it in, even though we beat the " Top rated" Sooners.)
But most of all they got in because they are a big name school.
Bama had the better loss. That’s it
Okie Lite's "resume", even with the Cyclone loss, was better than Bama's
They use the resume when they want, the eyeball test when they want. Amazing thing to see.
I am not watching tonight’s Sugar or the LSU-Bama lovefest. Vote with your remote.
oh hail the Purple and White
you guys better win the Cotton Bowl dammit
My Bowl picks depend on it
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by horns1025 on Jan 3, 2012 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we win the Cotton Bowl
I think we will be a top 10 pre-season pick next year. I think it will come down to a race between KSU, TCU and UT for the conference. Something tells be there’s trouble brewing in Norman.
Now, I am totally mystified about how KSU will fare on Friday. I think Petrino will throw a lot of new wrinkles at us on offense. If we get Lockett back from his injury, I think we can give them a run. Also, don’t be surprised to see a running back by the name of Robinson getting some action; he’s a redshirt freshmen that has reportedly finally “gotten it” (the playbook), and he should help take pressure off of Klein.
oh hail the Purple and White
as long as we beat OU and TCU and win 10 wins ill call next year a success
i got KSU to win because Snyder is a better coach than Petrino. Snyder’s team will be more prepared better motivated and will have more confidence. KSU is gonna run all over Arkansas. Klein will have a big game
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If we can't win
10 games next season, Mack needs to go. Absolutely no excuses on this, we need to compete for the Big XII next year. He has 2 years of leeway, if he doesn’t win 10 next year, it will be pathetic. We Can even lose 3 games and still win 10.
Kstate will beat us. OU will be a toss up( and may have problems inside the program), and TCU should be a win @ home. Everyone else will be weaker than this year to the point that 10-3 should be the minimum standard, i’m thinking more of 11-2 though.
i would agree with 10-3
KSU has our number i think OSU in Stillwater is gonna be a little much and WVU might be too much for us right now. (assuming they get into the Big 12 this year
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No wonder I like visiting this site,
all the KSU love and all. :)
That “having [your] number” thing won’t last forever. The reason I am holding out on my assesment for KSU’s prospects next year until after the Arkie game is because I think it will reveal how we do against a fast, physical team. Look, KSU’s season was remarkable in that 8 or our 10 wins were by a touchdown or less (and one of our two losses was by 7 points). If we don’t get a few more players next year, we won’t win 10 games again. The odds of the magic continuing when always walking the razor’s edge just aren’t that good. I think the world of Snyder, but the high wire act can’t last happily forever.
oh hail the Purple and White
You'll get to 10 wins next year (including bowl)
You got 8 this year. IF GG had panned out, you’d have had at least 9 this year. Fewer injuries, Ash a respectable QB. You will get to ten for sure. 2013 will be your year.
oh hail the Purple and White
Well wasn't it Saban who said
“if you don’t win your conference you should play for the National Championship”, even if it is mythical?
The bowl games have been pretty darn competitive and good so far. But why Michigan is playing is ridiculous. K-State definitely deserved with Boise having a legit gripe too.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Also
Right now the best win favors Bama
Arkansas is as of today> Kstate. Arkansas has the better losses and passes the eyeball test, Kstate has beat Baylor as their best win, and lost to OU and “inferior than Bama” Okie State
If ya’ll win friday, then Bama’s only argument would be the better loss
Go Kstate
Re: the tragedy
I may get crucified for this but I believe it ought to be said. The tragedy was two members of the women’s basketball coaching staff. I submit that there isn’t a player on the UT football team that can name two members of our women’s coaching staff.
Read this next part carefully: I AM NOT SAYING THE DEATHS OF TWO COACHES IS NOT A TRAGEDY. What I am saying is that I do not believe it had any measurable effect on the football players. They just choked the ISU game and have no one to blame but themselves.
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
by adt2 on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thats a stupidly idiotic post.
Athletes do hang out with each other and to think that there wouldn’t be some crossover is just plain stupid.
Besides a tragedy like that is a school wide affair. It affects everybody. I’ve had deaths in the school in high school and you could plainly see many people were clearly very shaken even if they wern’t necessarily the closest of friends.
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It's not completely idiotic, and here's why:
Granted, athletes do hang out a lot together. They often are grouped in the same course sections for classes, and they no doubt eat/study/relax in the more exclusive confines of the athletic facilities.
BUT…i’m not so sure this event had that much of an effect on the football team beyond “let’s go win one for the memory of these people”. I dont think they were that rattled; i think they were motivated. Afterall, they did have a 24-7 lead in the 3rd, hardly a sign of a distracted team.
by FreeMichaelUng on Jan 3, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Of course it had an impact
You’re competing as a swimmer on the boys team at your HS, and two members of the girls’ basketball coaching staff die tragically? It doesn’t affect you? It impacts everybody around you — classmates, teammates, workers in the dorm/home where you live, the nearby grocery store clerk.
Gundy even mentioned it postgame last night. Texas A&M had to play a few days after a senior teammate died.
"A fool should keep his mouth shut lest he open it and remove all doubt."
Let’s refrain from calling folks stupid or idiotic. You’re definitely that if you can’t at least see that it is a valid debatable topic. There are different opinions but it certainly doesn’t mean he’s an idiot.
by robthecob on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it had more of an impact on the coaches I'm sure
which ends up trickling down to the players. Coaches are at universities, in best case, for years and years, whereas players cycle through.
by TheRealDirtyP1 on Jan 3, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
You think LSU would have had a problem with UofH?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Southern Miss sure didn't
So I’m guessing – no.
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by beast in bama on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
You're right - I should have included Southern Miss AND UofH that would have given LSU problems!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I would have said Baylor, but UofH has a semblance of a defense.
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Haha! SEC already claiming Aggie and Mizzou wins.
If there’s one last kick in the butt from the Big 12, it’s that their wins are still part of the Big 12 résumé. Sorry quitters, but that’s life.
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During the Rose Bowl ...
… the B1G promo came on w/ a montage of videos from each program’s golden days and golden boys. Theirs included Tommy Frazier and the mid-‘90s Nebraska teams. It just didn’t seem natural or even legitimate that Nebraska’s early days were include in the historic laurels of the B1G.
NU sucks
even more than OU (from a KSU point of view; wouldn’t expect Longhorn to buy that one!)
oh hail the Purple and White
I can understand that.
Our hatred against 0U goes back for nearly a century. Our hatred for NU only goes back to Osborne as AD, Pelini as HC, and them leaving the conference. We know they’ve been whining since the inception of the Big 12* but having their number has kept UT fans laughing at them rather than being embittered by them.
I actually think NU fans actually hate UT more than OU fans, and that says a lot.
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Tom Osborne, more than any other individual, is responsible for "instability" in the B/12
He never got over losing the first Championship game to a Macovic led UT team, on a trick play no less, which prevented him from winning three (and perhaps four) national titles in a row.
After the ‘97 season, he resigns, and I believe he did so because he knew that he would lose to KSU the next year. In 24 years he had never lost to KSU, KU, or OSU. The effect of the ban on partial qualifiers was about to hit his program, and he knew his reign of dominance was about to end. Rather than stay around for another five years to guide his irrational fan base through the difficult changes that were occurring, he bailed, and in fact he fed the fire that "UT is being unfair to us." Husker fans could never accept the fact that Sooner did not consider THEM to be Sooner’s big rival. Husker fans could never buy into CU or KSU being worthy of being considered a "rival", hence the constant whining about "you took our [OU] rivalry game." (KSU beat NU 5 of 7 times from 1998 to 2004.) CU had reasonable success against NU in the late 80s and early 90s. Husker fans could tolerate the (early) losses to Longhorn – UT, after all, was a top ten program. BigRed couldn’t stomach losing to the likes of KSU, a team they had beaten 29 years straight until 1998.
Had Osborne hung around another 5 to 7 years to get NU through the first 9 to 10 years of the Big 12, NU wouldn’t have fallen as dramatically as it did, the North would have remained stronger, and I think we’d have the same line-up today as when the conference started. Osborne was a great coach, but in many ways he is a very small man. The dog and pony show he and Perelman put on when NU left for the Big 10 was disgraceful.
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Spin & Furnace ... you're right.
It’s amazing how quickly the ‘Husker Hatred has snowballed in the direction of UT just in the last decade. After all those years of bitter rivalry w/ 0U and the reversal of dominance w/ KSU, their most venomous hate has been directed at the ’Horns. Where’s the love?!
ive had a Husker fan tell me
that the NU-OU Game was a bigger rivalry than Texas-OU…my response was what world are you living in?
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It was a pretty magnificent & bitter rivalry, oft-times.
It really just depended on which game had the biggest impact on conference titles and/or national titles. They were both great series w/ historic clashes. It was a real shame when 0U / NU ceased to be played annually. Really bad move by the Big 12*.
Peter
Could you update the table in this post (or just add another as a comment) that shows not only the bowl results per conference, but also the out of conference results from the season…I seem to remember an earlier post about the Big 12 outperforming the other conferences in that aspect as well.
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Damn, really?
That’s outstanding. Superficially, anyway.
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I thought it was 27-3
Mizzou losing at Arizona State
Kansas losing to Georgia Tech
Aggies losing to Arkansas
There were some non-FBS wins — Aggies, Tech, Baylor, Iowa State that I can recall.
Thanks
Maybe we started 22-1 or something. I pulled that number off the top of my head.
76-37-5. Now GTFO.
27-3
is still tops of any conference, is it not? Pretty sure SEC went something like 29-7…… and I believe they were the second best conference in that regard.
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Is 27-3 a record for any conferences in the past decade or two?!
That just seems crazy off-the-charts good … like Colt’s 2008 passing stats.
10 Wins! Yay!
“With some key attrition to the NFL I don’t expect the conference to be nearly as strong in 2012, and a return to 10 wins for Texas is looking promising.”
I can’t wait! Getting back to winning 10 inconsequential games against lesser teams, losing to a team we shouldn’t, and being knocked-out of contention from any meaningful title by mid-October. Yay!
I think you're on to something here
I would LOVE to lose every game in humiliating fashion rather than get 10 wins and be on an upward trajectory. That would be awesome for the program. Think of the possibilities.
Upward trajectory?
So you don’t mind losing just one game per year in humiliating fashion to OU which effectively has the same effect as going 5-7? We have only won 2 conference championships in Mack’s illustrious career because we can’t even progress out of our own 6-team division — again, due to being humiliated on an annual basis by OU. I’m glad you can stomach that.
Since you're not too well acquainted with our recent history:
Since 2005, we’re 4-3 against OU. Include in that our 5-7 season and our 8-5 season – two miserable to mediocre teams.
Further, Peter had a post a bit ago about the last two times we played in the Holiday bowl, our two seasons that followed were BCS game → BCS National Champ game. One we won, one we lost. If the same trajectory applies (and you can’t tell me it won’t any more than I can tell you it will), we’ll be in the national championship in 2013. Many people beside myself firmly believe that’s a strong possibility anyway. So yea, I’m ok with where we’re at.
so the OU game is the be all end all of our season?
you should go hang out with the Aggies cause thats the mindset they have
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Yes...
The OU game IS the hinge of our existence since (a) we are usually dominated, and (b) it usually knocks us out of contention for anything each year.
You don’t mind a Stoops beat-down almost every year? This is why we are 2 of 14 in conference championships under Mack and OU is 6 of 12 under Stoops. For all intents and purposes, you must win the conference to compete for NC’s. By losing to OU most years we are out of all runnings early in the season, while Stoops’ teams are usually in the running to play for a NC late most seasons. So, yes, OU is our must-win game because it is the lynchpin to our season. You’re the Aggie if you can’t understand that.
sorry my season doesnt revolve around one game.
i refuse to let a rival define how i view our season thats what A&M does with Texas and i refuse to be like aggy
and we dont get a stoops beat down almost every year. thats just being overly dramatic
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I don't like it any more than you do...
One game has determined our season more times than not during the Brown era, and that one game is the OU game. It disgusts me too, but it is a fact. We do in fact lose a majority of games to Stoops. That’s a fact. We have NEVER laid the pine to him like he has to us this year and others. Thats a fact. Until we overcome those facts then, yes, OU will continue to have hopes for a NC much deeper into the season than UT. That’s a fact.
Your living in denial does not change that. But if it helps you feel good about a 10-win season with no titles to show for it, and if it lets you continue to have Mack Brown warm fuzzies
um in 2005 Mack could have put up 60+ on OU but he dint because he has class
i think we all know after 2008 that Stoops has none (seriously calling 60 yard bombs with your 1st string QB up by 3 TDs already in the 4th)
you’re not being rational at all. and your acting like an aggie “its all about beating OU!!!!!” no its not its about winning games no matter who the opponent is. and no the OU game does not define the Texas season more often than not. no one game defines our season unless its the National Championship Game.
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Would Gladly Give Up Claim To Best Conference Bowl Record
In exchange for seeing Aggie beaten by a direction.
Pay no attention to the zzzzz dude - I'm pretty sure it is Beergut or another aggy posing as an UT fan.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Watching that Stanford game last night I think our D could of handled them
The offense on the other hand, not to sure about
It should be noted
that there are only two Big 12 bowl opponents in the SRS top 25, and all bowls match-ups so far have favored the Big 12 team. One could argue that they won the games they should have won, except for ISU. I’m not trying to belittle the accomplishments of the teams here, but I think that conference-wide bowl strength of schedule should be considered when looking at the record.
But
Don’t bowl matchups tend to pit teams from similar conference standings against each other (ie. #3 big 12 team against #3 Big 10 team) – I know there is some flexibility, but I thought that was the trend…
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Somewhat...
…but the SEC and Big 10 in particular have such better bowl arrangements that we’re often left with games where our school is stronger, sometimes much more, than the opponent, because the other conferences’ “better” schools have been sucked much higher up the bowl food chain than ours. This year’s Insight and Alamo bowls are great examples.
6-1 is great, but with the matchups we’ve had, anything less than five would have been a bit disappointing.
Yeah
Not always the case, but I do think they try. If that’s the case, then the bowl wins validated the pre-bowl conference strength (i.e., our nth best team is better than your nth best team).
Or our 7-5 team is better than your 7-5 team
As per the Holiday Bowl.
Those "numbers" are selection order and nothing else
Not standings, or rankings, or anything else. For instance, PSU was the #7 B1G pick for their bowl, yet were tied for the fourth best record and were division runners up. UM got a BCS bowl over the team that beat them and won their division. The numbers should come close to even matches, but no guarantees once TV ratings, ticket sales, etc., factor into the mix.
That was what always pissed Missouri off so bad – that the conference didn’t “fight” for them. I know they were pissed about winning the North in 2008, yet being in the Alamo Bowl while TTU went to the Citton Bowl.
The best thing is, no matter what, the SEC will end up 5-3
with the LSU win and ’Bama loss.
Beautiful.
Conference and Bowl tells...
The other 3 big conferences (Pac 12, Big 10, and SEC) actually have the slight edge in matchups this year for bowls. I say that in regards to strength of opponent. However, I qualify that statement by noting it really isn’t by much. People forget to look at the strength of the conference itself coming into a bowl matchup.
The Big 10 had a down year and we all know this. Hence, the Aggie and OU wins look a little worse. The Pac -12 was a little above average and a meat grinder this year. Wins here and there effected who cam out of that conference on top. So, UT OSU Baylor wins were actually quality wins. The Big East was just the Big East and I’m still shocked ISU lost. The ACC was just average this year. So the Mizzou win should be just average BUT they blew UNC away. If you look at the wins for the Big 12, most were actually quality wins. The Big 12 was hands down the strongest conference this year.
And sheds a generally middling A&M for TCU
and picks up a WVU that generally does about as well as Mizzou (at least he last five or so years).
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Watching Sugar Bowl
Actually been a very entertaining game. Even though neither team should be there, its been a good game.
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Possibly visiting
Bo Wallace did receive a call from Harsin very recently, and is looking at coming down to Austin this Saturday. Huge news, and I think if it goes through, we may have seen the last of Case McCoy
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Case is likely gone
Putting the whole tweet, McCoy camp, and attitude hints…I think Case is done at UT. However, if Wallace does come in, I wonder what this does to Ash. Kid played his heart out in the bowl so I hope he keeps it up and earns the job. May the best QB win
well if Case leaves that would leave Brewer and Overstreet as the only other QBs aside from Ash on the Roster
and i think Mack and company want both of them to Redshirt so this is probably trying to make sure that we have a backup QB and dont have to waste a year of eligibility for either of the freshman QBs
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Agreed
If we get Wallace, its probably a signal that Case is gone. Brewer will most certainly redshirt next year, and I expect Overstreet to play in certain packages.
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There's a lot of disagreement over what constitutes a national championship
The NCAA recognizes the BCS and the AP these days, I believe. I searched around for confirmation of this and found none, but I am almost positive that the Harris and coaches’ poll voters are all required to vote the winner of the BCS championship game as #1 on their ballots. The AP geeks are under no such obligation, of course.
Basically the only split possible would be if Okie Lite were to win over enough AP voters, correct? Not sure that happens, what with the SEC love and such.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions
They stopped being required
In 2008 or 2009( Petersen or utahs coach said they would vote their team #1). The crystal ball is now for winning the BCS title game instead of the coaches poll. The BCS standings also don’t change after the bowl games.
Okie State won’t get a split, if LSU wins they deserve it. If Bama wins they’ll split. The SEC love will end in 2013 by us!
by Mclovin1035 on Jan 4, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The crystal football goes to the BCSCG winner, but the AP also awards a separate national championship
And it’s also recognized by the NCAA.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 5, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I believe Alabama approves of the addendum about random, irrelevant organizations awarding national championship
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
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