De'Vante Harris
by 40A on Jan 7, 2012 3:06 PM CST
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Apparently de-committed from Oklahoma today. This might be because their DB coach (Willie Martinez)is out and Stoops 2 is in. Does anybody follow him on twitter in order to see if this is absolutely true?
We have Bryson Echols at CB, but in my opinion Harris is an automatic take if we can land him. What does everyone else think?
Think we make a run at him now?
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=146&f=2445&t=8538636
http://www.landthieves.com/board/showthread.php?23622-De-Vante-Harris-decommits
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I'm expecting consistency...
…from those who questioned Thomas Johnson’s integrity for decommitting from Texas.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
Haha
I’m not… lots of people seem to forget we’ve flipped a couple of OSU recruits and plucked one from Baylor too…
Nobody's forgetting.
Again, you should try and read the whole thread before you chime in.
Colbert, Sanders, etc etc all wanted to go to Texas and were clear they would commit if offered. Their previous schools knew this. That isn’t new knowledge. At least they were honest up front. And, guess what, when they were offered, what did they do? Committed to the school they wanted to in the first place. They didn’t think they would get a Texas offer, so they went another route.
Meanwhile, TJ committed, spoke some crap about being with the Texas guys and getting some good reps together before next season, and the NEXT DAY de-committed. Not because he was waiting on other offers. He continually came out all week leading up to UA game saying he was solid to Texas and blah blah blah.
Now, are those two instances the same? Or different.
I guess I’m expecting too much from you, based upon reading your posts.
by 40A on Jan 7, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Um
Read the whole thread? You mean the 1 thread post above mine?
Haha, so Colbert, Sanders told Baylor and OSU, “I’ll commit to your school, but just an FYI – I’m outta here if Texas offers.”
Gimme a break. You think this was actually the case?
A de-commit is a de-commit. Kids need to do what’s best for them and their future, NOT what some internet posters and team fans want so their team may notch an extra win a couple years down the road. If you’re that selfish that you can’t see that, well then, that’s kind of disgusting.
That’s not to say that kids shouldn’t honor their commitments. It is selfish to take a scholarship spot, then switch when the spot could have bene given to a different player who now has other plans, or who the staff doesn’t have time to evaluate now. But at the end of the day, it’s not about the football programs, it’s about the kids and their futures.
I’m tired of the hypocrisy on this board. Also getting tired of baseless accusations and rumors being thrown around like they are facts. Not fair to the kids who ACTUALLY spend their time working hard for the Longhorn program.
This is a Longhorn Fan Board
We love the kids that become Longhorns and can’t stand the kids that don’t.
We are FANS of the team and the players on the team…if your not for us, then your against us.
HOOK EM’ HORNS
That's Great
The kids can be against us when they’re on the football field, but we can still wish them well for the rest of their lives and their futures.
It’s not the end of the world if some kid doesn’t want to play for the Horns, and we don’t need to act like it is.
HAHA
just because somebody disagrees with you doesn’t mean we think it’s the end of the world. Your linear black and white logic is laughable. We don’t have to wish a kid well that commits to our school and lauds it up until the day he decommits. That doesn’t make us crazy, nor do we act like the end of the world is coming.
It isn’t “either/or”. Some of us don’t like that he left. Big deal, it’s not hypocrisy. It’s not the end of the world. It’s our opinion.
All I'm saying
Is you act like the world’s coming to an end if a guy de-commits. Look at the bigger picture for once in a while
I act like the world is coming to an end?
I would sure like to see the evidence of that. All I said was good riddance. Don’t be so melodramatic.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
You act like you've never encountered a teenager
That’s all these players are, teenagers. Can you really fault them for being immature at this point in their lives?
TEXAS FIGHT
+1
I hope the Curse of Mack befalls TJ and all others who punk us….and have only glee to take someone else’s touted recruit. Some may disagree, but I don’t care. I just want to win. In Dallas every October. In the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Anything elae is a failure at Texas. This ain’t church camp. This ain’t some intramural exercise just for kicks.
It’s all about winning.
Look at the common denominator in all this
We love the kids that become Longhorns and can’t stand the kids that don’t.
Give the machismo a rest, dude. All of these kids are 18 or younger and are face with making a life defining decision. That exists outside of your fandom.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
By the way,
nowhere have I ever said I don’t want the kid to do what’s best for him, but if you commit to a school, honor your commitment. I love how you want to bring up the other kids. This isn’t about them, nor was the thread about them. The thread was about Thomas Johnson, a kid who talked about getting a chance to build rapport with his future teammates right up until the day after the UA game where he decommits.
Of course the kid needs to do what’s best for them, nobody is arguing that, so please get off the high horse. You aren’t saying anything earth-shattering. This is a forum for the University of Texas. It’s a forum for opinion. There is plenty of time where we laud the achievements of those who work hard for the Longhorn program. What’s your point? If you don’t like it, then leave.
OK
So, let’s keep TJ and return our OSU steals, Colbert, etc., etc. and let’s not pursue Edwards either. Kids should honor their commitments, right?
Hypocrisy in its finest form.
This thread may have been talking about Johnson, but it doesn’t mean we can’t discuss similar cases for perspective and for a well-rounded argument, that’s all.
My opinion was about Thomas Johnson,
and Thomas Johnson alone. I find it amusing that you have went to such lengths to point out a “hypocrisy” that doesn’t exist.
I didn’t like that Thomas Johnson de-committed. Big deal. I know that’s earth shattering. I must have been in the minority.
Harris is leaving because his position coach is out the door. That’s hardly the same reason that TJ de-committed. But go ahead and lump them in the same basket. As long as it proves your point, right?
Anyway, I never made a comment about the Colbert, Sanders, etc signings because I understand how it looks. Am I glad they will wear burnt orange? Yes, but I’m not happy they didn’t honor their commitments as well. I am not a hypocrite. I hold them to the same standard. But yes, I am happy they will play for us being they are good players. So sue me for being a fan of my team.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I find it amusing that you have went to such lengths to point out a "hypocrisy" that doesn’t exist.
I find it amusing that you fail to see the hypocrisy.
I will try and make it a bit more simple for you.
I think Thomas Johnson is a punk for the way he acted before his de-commit and for de-committing. I think Sanders, Colbert, etc actions were punk like as well. Now, who am I going to support? The players that play for the team I support. That’s not hypocrisy. I think the same of TJ as I do the future Longhorn players.
Ok?
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
This
is pretty hypocritical. I’m just saying there’s not really objectivity with these statements…
I’m happy they’ll be in burnt orange too, don’t worry. I don’t fault these kids as much, they commit way too early anyway and this is a huge life decision for them… they should just wait longer to commit, in my opinion, until they take all their visits.
That was one of my original posts.
Just a quick reminder: hypocrisy is claiming to have some type of moral beliefs that I don’t happen to follow. This is college football recruiting. I’ve already addressed your shaky “hypocrite” argument by saying I hold all players to the same standard. What more do you want to read? It’s not hypocrisy if I hold our players to the same standard. This is the last time I will address that. I try very hard to read other people’s comments with an open mind, but you are just all-out wrong about this. You should have read or asked what I thought about the Sanders, Colbert, etc commitments before you just threw out the word “hypocrite”. It makes you look like a douche. Then you would have known I view those players’ commitments the same way.
I don’t fault these kids as much, they commit way too early anyway and this is a huge life decision for them
I’ve already made this same point days ago. Which is why I asked you read the entire thread. But I understand your point, I guess. However there is plenty of objectivity.
I hold our new commits to the same standard as Johnson. However, I’m going to support them because they wear our uni. Is it 100% objective? No. But it’s not hypocrisy and it surely isn’t a big deal at all. That’s what fandom is about.
You
can’t say you hold the players to the same standard by calling them all punks and then hoping that one of them pans out and one of them doesn’t. I don’t see this as being ‘all-out wrong’.
Anyway, I never made a comment about the Colbert, Sanders, etc signings because I understand how it looks.
This is summing it up man! If you know how it looks, and didn’t want to post about it, then that is a lack of objectivity.
I get your point on this topic, but I think we just have to disagree on this one. No real harm in that.
You are making this way too complicated. A theme of your posts.
I can wish somebody well, whether or not I agree with the character of their decisions.
The reason why I didn’t comment about them was because I figured people would understand that I would hold our recent commitments to the same standard. They didn’t assume that, and asked. And I explained. End of discussion.
Just
expressing my opinion. Not trying to make things complicated.
Hey now
If you look back, I didn’t ever call you personally a hypocrite. I’ve only been talking about what I deem to be a hypocritical situtation (and it’s only one situation in my opinion, not a repeated pattern!)
I'm pretty much past my interest in this issue
Because really, it doesn’t matter a whole lot at this point, because things aren’t done yet, kids are still making their decisions, and prized recruits are just potential until they are actually contributing to the program. But when it comes to guys who de-committed when their position coaches left, I’m inclined to remember Westerman. I definitely wish he had stuck to his commitment, and I’m a bit disappointed in the character of kids who change commitments like Westernman, Harris, and even guys who’ve changed to UT, but you have to admit that there’s a bit of a double-standard there.
Again, though, it’s all a bit fluid, and considering (a) the average rate of actualization of any one recruit’s potential, and (b) the potential replacements Texas might garner, losing TJ’s commitment seems unlikely to cause noticeable harm to even a single game’s outcome between now and 2016.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 10, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Heh
You must have a reading comprehension problem. The same issue you are referring to has been addressed on the post.
My point was this: The man went back on his word. Why? Think about that. I’m not going to wish him well, and that’s fine for all those that do.
This player is de-committing because his recruiter is out the door to another school. Completely different reason then “I want the best for me”.
Nice try though.
by 40A on Jan 7, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Right. There's always a justification that allows some of you to bend over backwards...
…to say why it’s different when a kid goes toward UT. It’s not different. It’s just a lack of objectivity.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
But no one has a problem with mario edwards saying all the right things to texas and making it sound like texas has a chance. Then goes to florida and acts like texas does not exist. We are dealing with 17 and 18 year olds that are immature at this point in their life. They enjoy the spotlight that they get. They also are talking to so many people and some young people are easily influenced. If you hate tj you.should hate everyone else who decommitted and came to texas. Despite what you want to think both gave their word to someone that they where committed to the programm and then they went back on that word. Tons of kids are doing this every year. Hell we are even hoping a few guys do it now. To hate tj for what he did makes you worse than him in nature if you want us to sign super mario. Because you my friend are a hypocrite.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Jan 9, 2012 11:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
When did I say I hate TJ?
You seem to be arguing the same point I am: it’s inconsistent to criticize Johnson for this, then say Texas should pursue guys who are committed to other schools, like Mario Edwards, Donald Hawkins, etc.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 9, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I was adding on to your point if you missed that friend.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Jan 9, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Of course it's inconsistent!
That’s the nature of recruiting. It obviously does’t follow your moral code, but fans want the best kids at their school! It’s not a hard concept. You’re fishing for an argument, you must be bored.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Do you legitimately think Texas is his best option
as a slot receiver in an offense that will generally go 2 wide and not even have the slot position?
TEXAS FIGHT
Well,
we can speculate as to how we really are gonna run our offense next year. I mean, smart football people thought we would run the ball every play against Cal, but we opened it up more than what smart football people thought.
Whether or not I see Texas as his best option is not the argument here.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry you can't make the distinction between
a kid who is transferring because his position coach is leaving and a kid who up until the DAY BEFORE he de-committed was talking about being solid in his commitment and getting a chance to play with future teammates and blah blah blah.
Again, it's another case of fans making excuses in bias toward their favorite program
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Jan 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Oh so that's an excuse?
Darn forbid fans want the best for their team! Oh my goodness, how tragic that is!
Listen man, I don’t think a player should be held to a commitment if the coach who signed them doesn’t hold their own commitment. It makes the commitment null and void.
That is entirely different than a kid deciding the grass is greener on the other side of the river.
I don’t know how else to make it easier for you. If all of us where to abide by your non-biased perspective!
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
The kid
is just making a decision on what’s best for him. He ma commit to a school because of his position coach. But he also may commit because of the geography, academics, culture, etc.
And if the player changes his mind because of any of those other reasons, then yes they are seeing that the grass is greener somewhere else. JUST LIKe they see the grass being greener if their position coach goes elsewhere.
A biased perspective is changing your opinion based on who is benefitting and who is losing out in what is essentially the same situation.
Again,
You just regurgitate the same argument over and over and over and over again. Give it a rest. 99% of posters here post with a bias, including yourself. Your name alone already gives you a biased perspective.
Of course he’s making the best decision for him. Who is arguing that? We get it. The coffin is nailed shut on that one. Let it go. Of course a recruit commits to places because of geography, academics, etc. What are you trying to do here? That’s common knowledge.
But you are so biased to winning an argument that you fail to understand a coach is making a commitment to a player as well as the player making a commitment to the coach who comes and sits with their parents in the living room. The culture, geography, academics, etc do NOT make a commitment to the kid. Recruiting is a two way street, dude. That’s why I hold a different standard for those kids who commit and have their recruiting coaches take another job. The coaches broke their commitments. That is full of “objectivity”, I know you love it so much.
Just for fun:
what is essentially the same situation
This is laughable. For somebody who seeks objectivity like you do, this is a laughable statement. Somebody de-committing because their coach leaves and de-committing because they decide they can start somewhere else, are worried about depth chart issues, etc are two COMPLETELY different things. They are not “essentially the same situation”. That is not an objective statement/idea at all.
To you
I feel like you’re prioritizing committing to a coach over the other reasons and saying that that is MORE important than the other reasons.
I’m saying – that’s for the kid to decide and people have different value sets. It’s a fair argument.
You’re right that a coach somewhat breaks a commitment to the kid, yes. But let’s say that kid finds a better position coach at a different school, a better academic program at a different school, a better culture at a different school – all I’m saying is that players prioritize different things when electing to go to a particular school, and that perhaps the position coach isn’t always the most important factor in selecting a team.
Wrong.
What you “feel” and what is “truth” do not coincide here. You are all about the truth right? Well, I’m trying to tell you and you continue to badger.
Of course the kids have different values. You aren’t saying anything new. What I’m telling you is that severing a commitment because a coach is breaking their’s is an acceptable move. You are trying to bring culture, academics, etc into something they don’t need to be brought into. I’ve seen it all over these last few posts in BON. Somebody tries to answer you with a succinct, deliberate answer and you murk it up and return it to them. I don’t get it?
You can say kids prioritize things, and you wouldn’t be wrong. But Top 3 (and many would argue the most important thing) is the position coach. Why? Well that’s pretty obvious.
What is murky about questioning what a kid prioritizes?
You say that a top 3 consideration is the commitment coach. Therefore, if there are two other potentially equally valid reasons for picking a school, then it seems that if a kid switches his college decision for those other 2 reasons, then those should be equally as valid as the position coach.
Just arguing that this is another equally valid perspective that a kid can have.
Well top 3 is very conservative, in my opinion.
If a kid wants to get better they are gonna chose a position coach they like. That’s one. That’s why you have monikers like LBU (Penn St), DBU (us of course) etc etc. Either way, that’s not my point, nor is it the point of this thread.
You guys love to throw out the word hypocrite. It’s infuriating. I’m trying to tell you why it’s not hypocrisy and you just murk it up. I will try again. I don’t view De’Vante Harris’ de-commit the same way I do Thomas Johnson’s. Why? Because De’Vante Harris’ position coach broke his commitment, making De’Vante Harris’ commitment null and void should he choose. I don’t view de-commitments because of culture, academics, etc the same way I do for coaching departures. Why? Because a school’s culture, academics, etc do NOT make a commitment to a player like a coach does. I’ve said that before.
I understand
I get your point, I’m just saying they both have different reasons for de-committing.
Harris’ may potentially feel that he would not succeed at OU given that his position coach would not be there.
Johnson may potentially feel that he would not succeed at UT given that there is a shaky QB situation and it may not be the right fit for him.
Each player has their own reasons – all I’m saying is that we don’t know what their values are. I get your point about the commitment of the coach to the player… but some kids commit to position coaches, and some kids commit to the university. Just different value sets, and there’s nothing wrong with that!
Maybe have to agree to disagree here.
granted- it goes both ways
but he was a mesquite horn standout and hopefully will land in Texas.
we need some good news soon. come on Mack. do your magic!
ut1ou2 for texas-ou weekend
But, if the offer
Comes then he’ll definitely commit. Chip Kelly is well aware of that already. Haha
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