Case McCoy Not Transferring From Texas, Per His Own Tweet
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 7, 2012 7:20 PM CST
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It's interesting that McCoy waited so long to put the rumors to rest, but if his statement can be taken at face value, it looks like the Longhorns will enter the 2012 season with four quarterbacks, drastically reducing the need for Wallace and ensuring that the commitment of Connor Brewer is not in question.
The question for McCoy was whether he would stay and try to compete for the job, possibly resulting in a back-up role for the rest of his career, or go somewhere else where he would have a better chance of starting. The answer, at least for right now, appears to be the former.
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We have too many QBs
Let’s move Case to safety and let Mykelee run the Wildhorn.
QB controversy created by good guy Mack.
wow the bad news just keeps coming this weekend doesn’t it.
by burntorangebevo80 on Jan 7, 2012 7:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Where does he say he isn't transferring?
It only says that he is a longhorn, doesn’t say anything about what he’ll be next season.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
The part
where he says quit the rumors, which are about him transferring for next year. I don’t think the rumors are about what school he is currently enrolled in.
Well, if he hasn't decided if/where he is going to transfer
then I’m sure the rumors would be pretty annoying. I agree that the easiest way to interpret this is that he is staying at UT, although I also don’t think it shuts any doors for him if he decides to do anything else either.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Way over-thinking it
If McCoy was contemplating leaving, I seriously doubt he would bother trying to squash rumors in such a way that it leaves an out. He might if pressed in an interview, but not voluntarily on twitter anyway. The dude intends to stay. He might change his mind later tho.
Kind of sucks, I was really hoping to see Case and Co. (Heli-dad) head somewhere else!
I don’t know a whole lot about Case never been a boot licker of his/Water carrier, whatever but it would seem he is not a good fit for the school. Especially with the entitlement attitude and the whole OU situation, can’t really remember what he did there but he did not seem like a team player.
Benefit of Doubt
One thing I take issue is all these anonymous insults lobbed towards Case and the McCoy family. People hid behind names, labels, and make statements with responsibility or accountability. I really hope we are not unfairly smearing the McCoys after their contributions to the University.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
fail. * “make statements without responsibility or accountability”
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Actually...
Colt is the one who contributed…not his parents. Sooo we don’t owe his parents shit.
Case had a chance and let his ego get the best of him.
Coaches gotta start manning up with these damn QB’S.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Colt was every bit the stud he was ... because of what his parents did.
They contributed plenty. Case’s ego?! Get a grip, dude. We will NEVER know what REALLY happened but if a kid wants to stay in the game and compete and is pissed because he’s being pulled … then why malign him?! He is a competitor and he wants to contribute. It had nothing to do with a sense of entitlement. He just thinks he’s the best QB for the team … based on merit.
He probably figured out this week
that the only teams interested were the likes of Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee St, etc etc.
Can we make a trade?
Wallace for McCoy, with cash considerations thrown in…and a future first round draft pick.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
That was my thought a few days ago.
He maybe wanted to transfer, but A&M and UH and Nebraska weren’t returning his (dad’s) calls, and the idea of Texas State and UTSA wasn’t appealing.
Stay, get the diploma, see where the football winds carry him.
Glad he’s staying. I don’t think he can help us beat OU or W. Virginia, but he might carry us thru a lesser opponent (like, say, some defecting school in a 27-25 type game).
From all accounts, he’s more of a leader than Ash or Gilbert. ’Horns up.
Agree on the first part, disagree on the second
I don’t know where the “more of a leader” part came from but I doubt it. Ash has stepped up…look at the bowl game. Case may move his mouth more but I don’t think he is a better leader. Leaders also don’t throw fits (see OU game). Maybe he has potential though.
I agree with the transfer options…probably didn’t look so hot. Better to get your degree from a great institution and get a better job outside of football.
Lets make his official position dt and see what he does.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Jan 7, 2012 8:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I have no idea why McCoy is making the decision if he remains a schollie player
I thought that was the coaches job. And based on the b.s. surrounding him and his attitude, that decision should have been relatively easy. Now that he shopped his wares and got no takers why are we stuck with him?
I would pull his schollie, wish him luck, and welcome Bo Wallace to campus.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I don't think coaches, especially Mack, will "fire" a player unless there are rules violations.
The coaches make a commitment too. They “fire” them by getting benched, not yanking scholarships. Remember, they are supposed to be students too, theoretically.
I would think refusing to go into a game violates some kind of team rule.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jan 7, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
I would think
He probably didn’t actually do it. Or at least there was probably more to it then that. Something might’ve happened, but not to the extent everyone is making it. Complain about Case all you want because of his arm, and dad, but not for something you can’t give evidence that it happened.
I doubt he was that stupid to refuse to go in.
I guess Mack screaming at Case during the OU game..
Wasn’t evidence enough for you.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yea
and you know exactly what mack said… how?
you thought he was congratulating him or something?
Damn son…that’s just stupid.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
Doubt
that you are a lip reader.
Not sure you are a good reader either, just in general.
you may be right on both accounts.
I’ve had to re-read your posts just to make sure I understood the stupid. I had to make sure I wasn’t them reading wrong.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
What
“just to make sure I understood the stupid.”
Is this English?
You sure are good
at making friends. I can’t remember a time in Mack Brown’s tenure where he ripped into a player so bad as he did Case during the OU game, and I could see it clearly from the upper level.
You know, one time out on the road I saw smoke, so I followed it and it turns out there was a fire.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Which game was it that Mack went absolutely ballistic ...
… in the face of the entire Texas defense? I can’t remember which but it was certainly a tantrum for the ages – & it worked. I only wish he woulda done it vs. 0U a few times.
I gotta watch that game again. I swear that Mack was ripping into Case for something he did IN the game, not for refusing to go back in. I just can’t remember.
Right.
I’m definitely not saying it was because McCoy wouldn’t go in, I just remember watching that.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, whatever it was for, he certainly blasted the kid.
If it contributed to the comeback vs. aggy, I’m glad Mack did it.
If I were coach I wouldn't have handled it well if a player refused to go into a game.
I probably would have gone all Woody Hayes on his sorry ass and/or made him sprint up and down the sideline until he puked in public.
But that’s why I post on blogs and don’t make $5+ million a year. We truly couldn’t afford to lose McCoy at that point because that would have left one true QB on the roster which is not something sane persons allow.
Mack was all over his ass on the sudeline...
Harsin was in his shit in the locker room after the game.
Not a coincidence Ash started from that point forward.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Is it just possible that Bo said no?
Like, Mississippi State saying, “Visit Texas, your offer from us is pulled.”
Is that really a threat?
I like Mullen and he has done a great job of developing QBs. However, UT vs. MSU seems like a pretty easy decision.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Well Bo has to weight the opportunity cost.
He is a sure fire starter at Miss St. While he has a good shot to start here, it’s reasonable to think that Mullen would pull his offer if Bo visited somewhere else. Then what for Bo?
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Reasonable?
Really? How is that? Because he has so many quality QBs waiting in line to take the scholarship? Hardly. In fact, most programs don’t get their feelings hurt over a visit. They make their evaluation and they are willing to allow the young man to make his decision.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
I'm wondering why he didn't capitalize the "L" in longhorn. I'm wondering if that shows disrespect.
Probably a slight to the TGoD crew.
Just kidding, in case anyone’s BS meter isn’t working today.
Truly wish him well. I’m hoping he improves his mechanics in the off-season because we will need his contribution next year.
Serious question, GhostofBigRoy:
Just assuming he transferred, where do think he’d have a chance of starting immediately?
A non-BCS school
or lower.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 7, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I was a solid GG fan, so my opinion generally sucks
But I am also an Ash fan. Any true freshman that leads his team to a bowl win against Cal after starting the season on the 3 or 4 deep is a QB to keep an eye on. He is a good athlete and I think we will be fine.
I don’t like McCoy calling any shots. Period. He is not special.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
It all really depends on how Ash progresses
He did look good once he had some confidence though
I think a full off-season of reps as the starting QB will benefit Ash enormously.
If it doesn’t then, well, it might be another frustrating year.
HOWEVER, I’m also expecting big, wonderful things from our RB corps. BB&G, assuming two are available and 90+% for any given game, will take a tremendous load off the QB. If we can, at a minimum, get the Ash we saw in the Holiday bowl, I think it’s a 10 win year in 2012 (Might revise that when I see an actual schedule though). I think we’d have gotten an extra win or two this year if the RBs stayed healthy and that was with a QB situation that was part soap opera and part nightmare.
If Ash improves beyond his Holiday bowl self and gets the ball downfield well a few times a game and the WRs hold up their end of the bargain, we might have a really pleasing year. Of course, the offensive line will have to do their part too. I’m also imagining Gray as a really potent screen play option.
I would have really liked to bring a seasoned QB with upside, but if that doesn’t happen, I’m still optimistic that we have the pieces to develop a consistently good offense again.
Agreed
Teams are going to HAVE to stack the box against us, if our OL makes strides this offseason. The RBs are ready to go.
If the box is stacked, Ash should have a lot of open receivers and throwing lanes and we absolutely need him to take advantage of them.
And if Harsin and company spend time with the Saints, I hope the spend a lot of time learning
how they use Sproles so effectively.
You lose credibilty at " GG Fan"
But seriously. Ash “led” his team to the bowl win, after starting 3 or 4 because GG and Connor W transferred and the coaching staff decided that they want Ash because of his “potential”.
I disagree that Ash led his team to the win, I think the 5 turnovers and solid defense had more to do with it. The TO’s sparked the offense when Ash struggled, and Quandre’s punt return set up our first TD.
I can understand not liking Case calling shots. But at this point Ash’s 1:2 TD: INT ratio isn’t special either. Neither is Ash’s 3-3 ( 2 wins vs 2 of the worst teams in the nation, mind you)record as a starter. At this point, I hope everyone is right on Ash, I just don’t see how he is special
Come on, man. Ash was a teenage freshman and that is the end to that.
Comparing him to a soph., that had a years more experience, is ridiculous. Did you play HS football? Could you have walked into a starting job for the Universityi of Texas and set the world on fire?
NO, he didn’t look great and I would expect that. The poiint is, he has the TOOLS to improve and take the QB reins when he has grown up a little. McCoy, unfortunetly, DOESN’T have the tools and will never be the QB his brother was nor a starting QB for most D1 schools in the nation.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I get that
I’m hoping Ash does what people expect him to. Case’s year of experience isn’t very relevant because he didn’t play at all last season. I get he’s a year older but it was a different offensive system and everything.
Ash is still a huge ? though.
True
He’s definitely an unknown. But from reports it sounds like he barely got any reps in the offseason due to him entering as the 4th string. And he’s a true freshman, rather than a RS, which also compounded the problem.
Many successful QBs struggle early in their careers, so I think we need to wait until next year to judge Ash.
Why wouldn't it be relevant?
Case’s year of experience isn’t very relevant because he didn’t play at all last season.
What is the difference between that and a redshirt – not to mention that he was/is a year older?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Seriously, in a game you get what, 30 plays to do something?
Compare that to practicing every day, reps after reps after reps. Never understood the “never got on the field” argument, it has next to nothing to do with experience.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
The year of experience has nothing to do with it.
Case didn’t really play at all last year and he’s only 1 year older than Ash. If Ash was so special, he would have already separated himself from Case. The TRUTH is that BOTH have contributed this year, BOTH have won some games, BOTH have lost some games, and BOTH deserve playing time next year. We all know that the only reason Ash has started more is because of A) this still-foggy discipline situation with Case earlier in the year and B) his supposedly-better set of “tools” than Case has, i.e. “potential”. If you get down to brass tacks, however, and compare the stats, Case has been better. Screw this “you can only play one QB” mantra. They’re dead-even right now and it’s just ludicrous that Case is so maligned here. Let’s see what they both do with another year under their belt. They very well may BOTH surprise us.
I respectfully disagree
What is different between the two is that Case had one more spring and fall practice and an entire year of practicing with college players. In additon to all this experience, Case also ran parallel with Ash THIS year, thus accumulating TWO years exposure to college football as opposed to Ash’s ONE.
Ash was 5 months removed from his HS prom and did not get to enjoy this experience before being thrust into a starters role at Texas University.
Through your own admission, both Ash and Case were “dead even” this year – even with Case’s year of experience that Ash did not have.. This, alone, speaks well of Ash in spite of his freshman shortcomings this year.
All this being said, Ash did not perform well this year and, frankly, that should have been expected.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I respect that perspective.
To my savvy football mind (I’m a legend in my own mind), I can see the good & bad that’s going to always stay with these kids – from day one. Ash is a prototypical-sized QB that is always going to be a tunnel-visioned runner who is challenged at when & when not to pitch. He is also challenged in the passing game because he is not a natural passer. That Holiday Bowl “MVP” was exasperating to watch, to say the least. Case, on the other hand, is NOT rugged NOR prototypical and is a pass-happy machine (11,000+ HS passing yards is undeniable) with an undeniable never-say-die attitude on each play. He also, the amuT game-winning drive withstanding, is pretty ineffectual in the rushing game and provides no dual threat whatsoever – and I definitely favor QBs who can scramble.
I see them from their beginnings at UT and I know that neither will ever stray far enough off from that to prove me wrong. From Day 1, I thought McCoy was polished, natural, & awesome – and he proved me right. From Day 1, I thought VY would dominate CFB, and he did, but his problems, as a RS freshman, are the same problems that plague him now.
I guess I just know that it DOESN’T MATTER what year these guys are in. They can BOTH contribute if they are played equally in spots. I just wish that one would rise up above over the other. Conversely, as proved in the BCS CG 2 years ago, it ain’t always the best thing to be dependent on just one stud. I think having both guys contribute can actually end up being a pretty good thing.
I think the problem is that UT, in the next 2-3 years, is going to be loaded
And no one is happy about our QB situation. This is our achilles heel and the only remedy we seem to have is hope the situation improves next year.
At Texas University this is not good as we are not a patient bunch!
Frankly, we have two immature kids trying to run our offense and neither one has cut the mustard yet.
I agree that we need to settle on one QB and just go with it.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Not patient?
Hell, we’ve suffered through several years of GD throwing away championship opportunities and two years of absolutely abysmal and unmitigated schlock. And we’re still here. Don’t sell us or yourself short.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'll chalk 2009 up to abysmal offensive approaches.
2008 & before, however, you gotta give him props. The Texas offense was a steamroller. I’ll never forget the great playcalling vs. USC – our receivers were wide open all day long – and 45-35 vs. 0U. Many other games were magnificent but those two will always stand out to me from that era.
I still think that GD threw away championship opportunities with his play-calling in the 2007 Kansas St. game, that led to Colt’s injury and his subsequent re-injury against Alabama, and his play-calling in the 2008 Tech game, our only loss of the season. The USC game: hard to cover Vince and Ramonce and receivers. But I respect your opinion.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Can't argue with the QB sneak vs. KSU.
Easily the worst call of the decade? In the CG, it was more than just Vince. I usually predicate good play-calling on what is fooling the other team. SC’s DBs & LBs were always in the wrong place during that entire game.
C’mon, Man! Give GD the love! He’s gone now. Stop the hate!
FIFY: The FOUR QB sneaks in a row.
Sorry. Didn’t mean to shout. I don’t hate him. But I do feel he cost us shots at three NCs.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, shout at him all you want!
Four, really? Rattle ’em off for me so that I can join in your hate.
You made me do my homework.
It was the 2006 game. GD called four runs from the KSt. 1. Only the last two were by Colt, and he was injured on the second one. From MB-TF:
V 1-G H01 Young, Selvin rush for no gain to the KS1 (Archer, Brandon;Diles, Zach).
V 2-G H01 Young, Selvin rush for no gain to the KS1 (Archer, Brandon;Diles, Zach).
V 3-G H01 McCoy, Colt rush for no gain to the KS1 (Archer, Brandon;Balkcom,Brandon).
V 4-G H01 McCoy, Colt rush for 1 yard to the KS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 08:07.
Bailey, Ryan kick attempt good.
Colt was injured on the last play. Horrible, unimaginative play calling. We were undefeated in Big 12 play coming into that game. Colt’s injury was to his right shoulder and I believe it was a stinger. We lost to K. State and then lost again to umat the next week 7-12. I was at that game, and I recall Colt’s throwing arm giving out after the bullshit offensive interference call against Limas Sweed. Colt threw an INT on the next play and threw 3 INTs that day during a season in which his prior performance led to him receiving various Big 12 and national awards.
This was the same shoulder and, I believe, the same type of injury that he suffered against Alabama. I have always thought, without any research, that the earlier injury made Colt prone to the stinger to his throwing shoulder against Bama in the NC game.
While I’m at it, the following two series of play calls may have cost us the NC Colt’s junior year.
U 1-10 U02 TEXAS drive start at 10:43.
U 1-10 U02 Ogbonnaya, Chri rush for loss of 2 yards to the UT0 (Whitlock, Colby),
Whitlock, Colby safety, clock 10:38.
Brilliant. Run from the I formation, with the TB 5 yards deep in the endzone, from your own 2. That was our first possession. Two drives later, GD called the following:
U 1-10 U41 McCoy, Colt sideline pass incomplete to Smith, Greg.
U 2-10 U41 McCoy, Colt middle pass incomplete to Buckner, Dan.
U 3-10 U41 PENALTY UT delay of game 5 yards to the UT36.
U 3-15 U36 McCoy, Colt post pass incomplete to Shipley, Jordan.
We were already struggling, down 5-0, and rather than call a play with a high probability of success, he calls for a pass to Greg Smith. the ball hit him in the hands and he dropped it. Then after that confidence builder and positive visual Shipley dropped one and then Buckner dropped one. Smith had “started the 2008 season at offensive tackle but switched to tight end after Blaine Irby sustained a season-ending injury.” Better calls on those two plays could have resulted in the NC that year.
NOW I’M REALLY MAD! I think I’ll go make my wife misearbale by rooting for Saban.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
miserable
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks a lot, Paleface.
Now I’m in a pissy mood too!
Aaah, I see now. You meant the 4 straight goalline dives on that one series. I was thinking you meant 4 other goalline QB sneaks that were called for McCoy during his career. Yeah, I’m all about power and trying to dominate the other team on the goalline to send a message for the rest of the game but I’m always really protective of a passing QB on the goalline. I probably wouldn’t have run Tebow on those dives, let alone Colt. They should have handed it to a RB or passed to a TE.
The TTech safety was just a dumb play call. We all knew that back then. I’ll grant you that one, for sure.
I didn’t remember all those drops in that aggy game. I’d like to watch it again but it would just make me more bitter. I just remember the horrific officiating – easily the worst most lopsided refereeing I’ve ever seen in a football game. I’ve thrown my list away since then but I remember at least 6 specific terrible calls that went against Texas for huge loss of yardage, including Robison’s block on a big Quan? punt return. They were snakebit that day. I don’t think there was any way in the world that fate was going to let the ’Horns win that day.
Crap!! Thanks for the memories, Paleface!
The 3 consecutive drops were in the Tech game,
two (?) drives after the safety. Just setting the record straight. Not that it will make you feel any better. As for the Aggie game, we were about two sections over from the corner where they used to put the visitors. We stayed ‘til most of the UT the crowd cleared out. Had to sit there and watch those dumb-shit, no class, cluless, cheatin’, motherfuckers party it up in front of their fans in the end zone in front of us. Just sayin’.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 11, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
That was an awful waste of a beautiful ...
… sunny afternoon in Austin. I wholeheartedly agree with your description of aggy. It’s inarguable anyway.
The 3 drops in the TTech game, I guess, have been blanked from my memory, as were the last 2 plays of the game. The drops must have reminded you of the end of the Holiday Bowl when Roy-dub (2) and BJ (1) dropped 3 consecutive good passes in the end zone from an embattled Chris Simms with just seconds left to play. Simms had nothing to do with their butterfingers and yet this aided so much in demonizing him to most of the fanbase of the Longhorns. The ending also made you wish that you hadn’t even have watched the dang game.
For an awful post, I ought to rewatch that 12-7 aggy game and post a rehashing of all of the bad calls in it. It’s a moot point now but I’d bet that all of us bitter whiners would commiserate well together about it.
I love a good cryfest.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 13, 2012 6:31 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that QB position is definitely the one lagging behind right now.
And #2 would be butterfinger receivers. They’s GOT to pull themselves together.
You lose credibility...
For pretending to know GG would suck. EVERYBODY was a GG fan untid he played in our shittier offense ever.
It’s easier to ignore the facts so just carry on mclovin.
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome, Case.
Now can we sign a seasoned, and hopefully also proven QB? What will we have next season if we don’t? A 3-4 star true sophomore that may or may not be a decent QB; two true freshmen, one of whom will most likely only play in the Wildhorn, and one of whom already has one concussion – two more and he’s gone; and Case.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
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Now tweeting that Case has told the coaches he will be with the team.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 7, 2012 9:53 PM CST reply actions
Again, why is Case telling us he will stay
We need to be telling him that he is gone if he was truly talking transfer especially during the bowl. If he wasn’t in the dog house, why didn’t he play at all? If it is because Ash is clearly that much better, then why would Brewer care if we take another seasoned QB.
I can’t believe that Brewer had any say in this one way or the other. I think that is pure rumor. He isn’t playing next year no matter and will get a redshirt year. So, I can’t believe it would matter to him if we replaced Case or not. Brewer just doesn’t strike me as being that kind of diva.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I wouldn't think it out of line at all if Brewer asked the coaches ...
… why the heck were they looking at a JUCO QB to fill the gap. I seriously doubt that Brewer said a word about the QBs already on the roster but it would be perfectly understandable for him to ask why they were glutting the position right before he was about to sign an LOI.
Rob - I think you pretty much nailed it. It is as simple as what you said and no more.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I guess, to me, for 2012-13 ...
… Ash &/or McCoy > Bo Wallace. I just don’t think this guy, while talented, was going to help us any.
Thank you!
I’ve been looking for someone with that same opinion.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, yeah, I'm full of it! (opinions, that is)
Mr. Ash & McCoy, please start producing. We’ll have other fellas soon who can take over.
Just Ash please...
but that’s a whole nother debate…
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm still a tits and Ash man,
until something better comes along. Then I’ll be a tits and better man.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think you should write country songs ...
… or questionable Hallmark cards.
Brewer
So is Brewer gonna be able to redshirt?
by horninraidercountry on Jan 7, 2012 10:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Brewer should be able to take a shirt
Case will be the backup if he stays.
Some have said Overstreet will have a Wildhorn package and not red shirt.
by TCB Orange Dino on Jan 7, 2012 10:07 PM CST reply actions
Not trying to hijack, but doing a pretty goood job of it anyway.
Here in Houston, the Army all star game was blacked out and we were unable to see it.
I can’t find a blog or a tweet that discusses the game. What the hell happened, how did our kids do and, MOSTLY, how did DGB do and was there any peripheral scuttlebutt from or about him?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Game
Cant remember much of it, but a couple things I remember.
- DGB had a nice 79 yd TD catch, basically won a jump ball and then took it the rest of the way
- DGB had two more drops, one that was in the end zone that basically every other receiver at the game would have caught.
- Ridgeway looked very good, thick and strong and had a forced fumble
- Trey williams is extremely fast. Going to be a great player.
- Nick Jordan boomed the opening kick 6 yds deep in the end zone which was encouraging. However the next two kickoffs went to the 10 yd line. I think he made all his FGs though
- TJ Yeldon for Alabama is going to be a special RB, just so strong
- Did not see much of Tim Cole, he was definitely out there a lot but can’t remember seeing his name called much
- Kendall Sanders looked good at DB. He had 2 INTs on the day. The first INT was a gift, any player in the game would have caught it, but the second one was special as it went through some other guys hands and Sanders reacted well to catch the ball on the sideline
- Cyler Miles (?) looked the part at QB. Just an extremely strong game for the washington commit
Any other performances I am forgetting about?
Jordan has a good leg.
I think his second and third kickoffs had to do with form and consistency.
by 40A on Jan 9, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
That’s accurate. He clearly has the leg to boot it into the end zone, once he polishes up his form I think we’ll be in very good shape. Should be a very nice luxury if he pans out, those are hidden yards every game
Hey Case...
Go fuck yourself.
I know honest to goodness women who have less mood swings than your bitch ass.
hey miss manners...
I had my Pinky in the air while I was typing this. Is that not enough for you?
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Guess so
Seems like all youre capable of.
Did you lose your prozac, dude?
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 8, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply actions
You obviously know that shit will get you banned but you do it anyway.
Seriously, we all should try to keep a modicum of decorum when discussing Texas and its players and coaches lest we fall into that SB cesspool model.
27-25: SCOREBOARD - to infinity and beyond!
Hippie Killer - this ain't shaggy bevo - cool it!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
you are shitting me!
This whole time I thought this was the Shag!!!
Snide, ignoring the idiocy of the vast majority of your posts…I will always be grateful to you for straightening this out for me.
Thank you sir!
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
You've lost any credibility you had left here.
That was a stupid statement about Case, even with the remote possibility that you meant it in jest. Pretty much everything Snide posts is better than anything you put forward. You have absolutely no room to be calling him out. You’re all about shock value … nothing more. No wisdom or intelligence, that’s for dang sure.
Am I on a Longhorns site???
It blows my mind how many of my fellow Horns fans have so much hatred for Case as a qb, it’s like no matter how good he did in games it was never good enough! If I lived under a rock, and then read some of these posts I would be under the impression that David Ash compared well with the other true freshmen starting qb’s around the country (which he wasn’t even close).
It’s like UCLA, BYU, A&M games never happened, sure he through too many picks vs. Baylor (but threw over 350yrds passing 3td’s 4ints), and OU game pretty bad for him, but he still had fewer turnovers and no ints in that game. He didnt throw a pick until the Baylor game(where he had 4 & 3 td’s). Call it luck or whatever but he makes plays, and with the addition of arm strength he’ll be a dangerous weapon at qb (since his lack of weight hasnt seemed to effect him with taking big hits).
we cant call ourselves true fans and ignore results just because Ash comes in a shinier package (with his size 6’3 223). As true fans we should support whoever actually puts in the work and earns the right to be the starting qb at Texas…part of the American dream is that hard work along with the idea that no one is entitled to anything because of how they look gives us all a fair chance to succeed…think about it, Case isn’t the enemy he just needs to prove he belongs just as much as Ash does because neither of them were Texas standard this past season, although Case has the edge with stats, none of that matters in the spring hopefully the best man wins the qb battle without partiality towards either of them…HOOK EM’
It's hard being a Longhorn fan in the state of Oklahoma!!
by okhornfan on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Normally I disagree with you but...
you have tempered your Case support a bit here. I agree that people need to chill out. It is what it is. However, if Case wants to stay then the attitude needs to change. I’d say he probably realizes this now. Yes, he has won some games (and don’t look at the stats…BYU was really his only solid performance b/c UCLA and aggie had a ton of luck in there) but it takes more to earn that spot.
Ash is the guy going into the spring. If Case beats him out (which I doubt) then so be it. Ash has shown his dedication…if Case shows the same, I think he would be a solid backup earning a valuable degree from my alma mater.
okhornfan...
Where was all that spirit when GG desperately needed fans to support him?
by Hippie Killer on Jan 8, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
My current dislike of Case is in regards to his personal conduct and has nothing to do with his play on the field
IF he refused to go into a game, and IF he made comments about transferring during the bowl practice, he is not a team player and we don’t need a diva. IF those rumors (which seem to be true given the Bo Wallace visit being contemplated) he is seriously hurting the team and is showing a complete lack of leadership as the senior QB on the team,
I don’t care if his last name is Brown, Dodds, Jamail or Young….You don’t mess with Texas and you don’t create subterfuge because you are pouting. That conduct is grounds for immediate dismissal and I don’t care if he was playing like Cam Newton. He should not be allowed to undermine the staff or his team, period.
Those kinds of actions from a Q
We're Texas, We're not OK.
You're basing opinions on IFs, IFs, and more IFs?!
I’ve seen every minute of every game this year and read pretty much all of the same things all of you guys are reading. There is no evidence whatsoever that Case is a diva or a cancer to the team. Good grief! So, he got pissed that he was pulled in the 0U game. Why does that make him a diva?! He wants to compete and he has fire – why is this bad? Mack blasted him on the sideline – ala Saban, Stoops, etc… This is abnormal how?! If he refused to go into a game, then that is definitely an issue to reckon with – and he’s been disciplined and he’ll learn. But it’s not like he was afraid to go in. He was probably pissed that he was pulled – end of story.
Based on all evidence, Case just seems to be a good competitive talented kid … oh and he also happened to have the best QB stats on the roster this season.
Rob, I don't think there is a Horn fan on here that didn't want Case to succeed.
Hell, I still do. You were right about him probably being pissed at being pulled – this is not uncommon.
However, disobedience is!
Bottom line is Case is an employee of Texas – his job is to play football and he is compensated with a paid education and free cost of living expenses. Refusing to do your job is tantamount to dismissal at every company I have worked at. I think this is where the “diva” moniker might apply to Case.
Of course, we only know what little information has been dribbled to us about this “event”, and for all we know Case may be on some internal probation period – who knows. I’m not even sure about this so called helicopter dad bashing is even true – I wasn’t there.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
I understand all of that. You've summed it up well.
If a 19?-year-old Case got pissed at being pulled and immaturely didn’t go follow orders to go back in, then discipline him and keep the incident on record. I’m fine with that but VALUE his competitiveness. Evidently, that’s why he didn’t play the next game. However, as easily as I’d have to acknowledge that incident, you & everyone else has GOT to acknowledge that Case’s “attitude problem”, “diva self”, “program cancer”, “meddling dad”, and pretty much every other, now how did ohiohorn put it, “idle speculation” (that gets passed off as fact) is ridiculous. Hopefully, we can agree on that.
I saw the game. Mack blasted him on the sideline. Mack has done this before. Saban, Stoops, etc… do it all the time. Sometimes this is the best approach in dealing with some situations. As a coach, I know this first-hand and I know that it usually makes a player excel later on WAY more often than coddling ever does. So, I’m glad he got blasted and disciplined. End of story.
I watch all the games, pore over stats, and read these boards. Bottom line, I want Texas to WIN. When Case was suspended, unavailable, or on the bench for entire games due to Ash’s “potential” – Texas has less chance to WIN. Folks gotta remember that Case was the starter … until he was suspended.
I keep saying this, ad nauseum, even to myself, but BOTH of these guy deserve to play. If anything, Case has shown more in the competition. Good gravy, he didn’t throw an INT until Waco, even though he had nearly 400 yards of passing! For awhile there, Ash was an INT machine. In addition, he is currently one of the most tunnel-visioned running QBs I’ve ever seen. He also is incredibly inconsistent in the passing game and is downright bad with the deep ball. However, I don’t think either one of these guys has separated themselves from the other and BOTH deserve to play. Yeah, I know that “if you have 2 QBs, you really have none” summary statement but, in this situation, it doesn’t fly. There are always exceptions. Play ’em both and VALUE what each can do towards the next Longhorns WIN.
I respect your opinions.
I find them well-considered and -expressed.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 8, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you. Are you free Friday night. ;)?
JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
I wish I had a cool gif for "awkward".
You’re so goofy.
Goofy makes me laugh.
Love the Marx Brothers.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 9, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
okhornfan ... THERE'S a man with integrity!
You’ve said it well. Like you, I just don’t get all this Case-hate crap. It’s very fair-weather-fan-ish, to say the least.
Case is staying...nothing is going to change that.
I posted this on the other thread too but I’m saying it here as well because some people need to relax. This is my take and merely my "opinion" (so BOH will know this).
Ash has gotten the nod going into next season. This is evident from the bowl game and Harsin not wanting Case to be put in. Harsin stuck with Ash because he obviously sees something there. Anyone who doesn’t think this should look at their paycheck and compare it to Harsin’s then you will realize that he gets paid a lot more to make these decisions. Seems to me that he has his mind made up for now. Does this mean Case has "zero" chance? No. We haven’t even started the spring for next season and nobody knows how either QB will develop. However, it is highly unlikely that Case will beat out Ash based solely on mechanics. Case doesn’t have the same arm and his footwork is horrible…and it hasn’t gotten any better through the season. Ash did look much better in the bowl game once he calmed down. I think it will be interesting to see how Ash develops. The Case tantrum from the OU game still bothers me (and that isn’t a rumor people, it was confirmed). This is a new team with a new attitude. If your attitude doesn’t mesh with the team’s then you have 2 options. Get onboard or leave the program. There shouldn’t be and won’t be entitlement anymore (I hope) and maybe Case will realize this. I hope has does/has and plays well as a solid backup.
As for Wallace, too many people were looking at this as if he was a win-all QB. People, please realize that he could have easily not worked out either. He also played more of a spread system as well…anyone remember the GG situation??? He might have been good, he might not have…none of us know. Please stop taking shots at Brewer over this one…it was probably hinged on Case leaving anyways. Relax. Brewer has every right to get upset as well. Sitting for 3 years isn’t exactly an ideal situation for a good QB. For the people talking bad about Brewer or mad at him if he got upset, look at one thing first. Harsin personally recruited this kid. Don’t you think there is a very good reason for this?
Relax people this program will be just fine. Everyone seems to have forgotten that ASH is the guy right now and showed some serious improvement during the bowl game. Both in mechanics and confidence. I’m sticking with Ash until proven otherwise…
I haven't forgotten Ash
I’m thrilled for him. He has the potential to be great, especially after playing and improving a lot while playing as a true freshman. He is ahead of most rs freshman now. Plus, he had a lousy O-Line and we had a string of bad luck at RB. All signs point toward Ash being a great leader for our team next year and my glass is half full.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Post wasn't directed at any one person...
and you and I usually agree. Yes, this is a glass half full situation because of Ash. I really like the kid for more than his playing ability. His upbringing was good, he didn’t pout when he was taken out or played behind Case. He just keeps working and doesn’t say much…reminds me of VY in his first year or so.
And both of you guys need to at least acknowledge that ...
… we actually have TWO glasses that are half-full. BOTH of these kids, Ash AND McCoy, have flashed some good signs. It’s a fact. I think that all most any of us here are saying about Case is that NEITHER guy has pulled away from the other and Ash certainly has not shown any tangible performance that makes him better than Case – and the Holiday Bowl proved that. He was frustrating in that game, to say the least, but still has decent potential. I care about Texas winning games, bottom line, and I like both of these QBs going forward. They BOTH deserve to play.
That's funny and a good point.
Feel a bit better.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Jan 8, 2012 7:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Per Case McCoy
it is time for him to leave the program. He cannot be trusted to do as the coaches ask, his helicopter dad is problematic and you can’t trust him not to continue seeking a transfer…or just plain quit. Constant QB melodrama.
No?
I would answer no
While personalities are not wont to change, behaviors are.
People make mistakes. I know I have made many during my life and expect to make more in future. I have no idea if Case threw a tantrum or not in the OU game, but if he did I will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he has grown through the experience.
I fully expect him to grow this year in a way that I don’t think he did last year. None of us exist in a bubble; all our actions occur within a wider sphere that includes other people. Case now has an off-season to prepare knowing that he has real competition from Ash (not sure he felt things the same with GG around). If he doesn’t grow as a quarterback and a person, then I think you have a valid point. Again, I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The same applies to David Ash. I see enormous upside with him. I could be completely wrong, but I think we are going to see a very different player on the field next year. Not only will he have his first off-season to prepare as QB1 (at worst as equal-timer with Case), but he has some experience now in D1 football and with the Harsinwhite system.
No comment about Case’s father except that I would hope that he will keep his distance and allow his son to grow.
This isn't the NFL where you can just cut or release whoever you want to
Case got into UT and thus has the right to stay at UT if he so desires.
Blame Mack and the old staff for recruiting a guy simply because his older brother was an awesome college QB and the fact that they let Daddy McCoy have control and influence in the program. They should be ashamed of themselves.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 8, 2012 11:33 AM CST reply actions
I wouldn't go so far as saying Case got in "simply because his older brother was awesome"...yes, that was part of it but...
He was rated a pretty solid 3 Stars by most of the recruiting outfits just like Colt and Ash were. The Brad influence got out of control with Mack’s stubbornness about not benching GG in 2010 and yes, he should be ashamed.
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Case has the right to stay enrolled at UT and get his degree
He does NOT have the right to be on the Texas Longhorn Football Team if he is insubordinate and taking actions harmful to the rest of the team.
I actually think that Mack will kick him off the team if another situation arises. He’s had more chances to most, and the next move is a solid stay in an electrical closet and Case’s dad can join Craig James’ campaign for all I care. Less than 100% commitment is unacceptable.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
You're 1st paragraph is a reach, at best, at the facts.
You’re 2nd paragraph, however, is quite humorous.
Scholarships are only for 1 year, not 4
Part of the problem that this program has had in the last few years is keeping kids on scholly who had no business remaining on the team. Pull his scholarship and give it to somebody with talent. If he wants to continue his education at the University of Texas and remain on the team as a walk on, he certainly has that option.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
You're reaching.
“Blame Mack and the old staff for recruiting a guy simply because his older brother was an awesome college QB and the fact that they let Daddy McCoy have control and influence in the program. They should be ashamed of themselves.”
Yeah, I guess those 11,000+ passing yards in Texas High School Football had nothing to do with it, huh?!
I guess
my questions are — did the coaches contact Bo Wallace because McCoy indicated that he was considering a transfer out of UT? If so, then why would we hang on to a backup QB that seems to be 1/2 in and 1/2 out of the program? This is a very important position at UT, and we need to have players on scolly that are 100%. Especially at QB.
I have no inside information,
but the impression I get from that ESPN piece suggests a different sequence of events. I think it suggests that Bo Wallace reached out to UT, we gave the OK for a visit but let him know that his coming to Austin permanently depended on there being a spot, and that eventuality depended on what Case was going to do. This is purely my own conjecture, but I suspect the coaching staff used the situation to force a decision from Case who appears to have been grumbling about his spot, and he chose UT. Case may have flirted with the idea of leaving but thought better of it and decided to stay. As far as I’m concerned the case (pun intended) is closed. He is our backup QB, he’s offered his pledge of support, and I plan to support him in that role. Just as I plan to support David Ash as QB1.
If Case decides to leave at a later date then I say let loose the dogs of war to rip him a new one.
I think I should rescind what I said above
Apparently Wallace didn’t go to Baylor either. All this stuff about Case is likely idle speculation. Glad he has committed himself to UT.
Very glad you self-corrected.
You can cut the “idle speculation” around here with a knife. Case is being, undeservedly, ripped here.
any real facts
ok, i understand that the OU situation may have been verified, about case having acted up during and after the game. How about the rest of this? Are we all just speciulating, or is there real evidence Case or his father have been trying to get Case transferred?
and all of this about Case’s father being an disruptive helipcopter dad, how much of that is fact and how much total speculation?
i am not one with ANY inside information (about UT football at least). And i hate to see any one or any family trashed on speculation.
(not by the way a Case lover, i wanted Jacob or Bo to come in, but also don’t want people insulted who are out there at least trying to win for the horns. Lack of talent in playing football is not a crime, if it were, i would be serving many years)
and i hate some of the very over the top insulting posts here lately. this is not “txsags” and i hate any of the people here thinking that they demonstrate any intelligence or football knowledge by insulting any of the rest of us. No one posting here is stupid and acting like it makes no one seem any smarter. (done, i will now leave that stuff up to the staff to deal with)
Very well said.
It’s become a Barf-O-Rama fest of opinions out here concerning young McCoy.
#4??
Haven’t been keeping up with the holidays an all, but a 4th QB?? Who am I missing?
Ash
McCoy
Brewer
???
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