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Texas First Junior Day Recap: Black Christmas the New Reality

Dallas Skyline WR Ra'Shaad Samples (left) and DeSoto APB Dontre Wilson threw their Horns up at the first Texas Junior Day. However, neither committed (via @10justscored).

Horns_bullet_mediumBlack Christmas, version 2.0. In 2011, the Longhorns emerged from the first Junior Day with only five commitments in the 2012 class, including two pledges on the day of the event itself, a number down drastically from the year before, when nine players made gave their verbal commitments to Mack Brown on the day. At the time, I called it Black Christmas, as the day had generally been known in Longhorn recruiting circles as something of a holiday for recruitniks, who could count on a significant portion of the class being in place only days after the previous class signed.

It may be time to officially declare those days gone. Whether it's a result of kids taking more time to make their decisions, taking more visits to become more sure of their eventual pledge, or the result of three strong recruiting classes in previous years leaving a stacked depth chart in front of most 201, the end result is the same. It's even possible that after years of being accused of pressuring kids into early pledges, that Mack Brown is telling recruits to go home and talk over the decision with their family before committing.

Belton TE Durham Smythe supported that claim ($) by telling Horns Nation that during his 30-minute conversation with Brown in his office, he was never pressured to make a pledge. The same sentiments were espoused by Dallas Skyline WR Ra'Shaad Samples, who also told Horns Nation that the Texas coaches wanted him to go home and discuss his decision ($) with his father, who is the coach at Skyline.

So even though the fireworks from previous years weren't present on Sunday, it's hardly cause for concern. The prediction here is that Texas lands two or three commitments before the next Junior Day and has roughly half the class in place by the middle of March, at the latest.

The fact is, even though Mack Brown didn't land any pledges on Sunday, Texas is still in outstanding shape with virtually every target who made it to campus on Sunday.Things definitely aren't the same as they were just two years ago, but it's probably not a bad thing. Just different.

Star-divide

Horns_bullet_mediumThe attendees.
  • Tyrone Swoopes, Whitewright QB -- Swoopes made it down for the Junior Day and received his Texas offer, but was not giving interviews during the afternoon or early evening.
  • Kyle Hicks, Arlington Martin RB -- It wasn't a given that he would receive an offer, but he did and it sounds like a decision could be coming soon from the talented back, who will discuss his options with his family and may have had to exercise some restraint in not becoming a Longhorn while talking with Mack Brown.
  • Dontre Wilson, DeSoto RB -- Coming in to the visit, receiving an offer wasn't a question mark for the talented back, who did in fact get his official offer. The question was whether co-offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin could sell him on the Texas scheme. Harsin reportedly told Wilson that he is a better version of DJ Monroe, which could certainly give him something to think about. The Longhorns needed to make up some ground with Wilson this weekend and it may be premature to say that they did, but it's probably not a stretch to say that Harsin gave Wilson something to think about, at least.
  • Jake Oliver, Dallas Jesuit WR -- The buzz right before the Junior Day had the odds of Texas landing Oliver on Sunday increasing, but he left town without pledging, though the Longhorns may be the leader at this point.
  • Ra'Shaad Samples, Dallas Skyline WR -- The speedy, playmaking wide receiver picked up a Texas offer on the day and sounded like he might be close to making a decision and committing to the Longhorns. It's too early to call him a lock, but Texas would seem to be a favorite at this time and could land a pledge from him this week.
  • Ricky Seals-Jones, Sealy WR/TE -- Another prospect who may be close to a decision, RSJ's father told OB that his son could make a decision this week ($) and though LSU is still in mix, if a pledge happens in the coming day, it would be a major upset if he doesn't choose Texas.
  • Durham Smythe, Belton TE -- As expected, the athletic tight end received an offer, but didn't commit. The question now is whether he will take his planned trip to Stanford in early March or if he will opt to become a Longhorn before that. The thought here is that his father wants him to explore his options fully, but Texas still seems like the favorite.
  • Darius James, Harker Heights OL -- One of the early favorites to commit on the spot as soon as he received his offer, James left Austin without becoming a Longhorn and still plans to take some visits, as he indicated in the week leading up to the event. Texas still remains the heavy favorite.
  • A'Shawn Robinson, Fort Worth Arlington Heights OT -- Another prospect who was considered a possibility for an early pledge over the last several months was the most quiet prospect in attendance, as his offer wasn't even confirmed as of Sunday evening. The silence could be a bad sign, or it could just be that the kid wants some privacy. Stay tuned on this one.
  • Justin Manning, Dallas Kimball DT -- It seems as if the coaches made it clear that Manning is the top target at defensive tackle and one of the top targets on the defensive side of the ball, but his recruitment still seems pretty wide open. The Longhorns will likely need to get Manning on campus several more times to have a strong shot.
  • Naashon Hughes, Harker Heights OLB/DE -- With only one linebacker spot available in the class, the coaches opted to hold off on an offer for Hughes, who was the only recruit in attendance who did not receive one on Sunday (assuming that Robinson did, as expected). An offer for Hughes down the road remains a strong possibility, but at this point he is simply a victim of numbers.

Horns_bullet_mediumDid not attend. As usual, there were several prospects who did not make it to campus. Here's the skinny on why:

  • James White, Pearland Dawson RB -- Unlike the other prospects who didn't make it to Austin, there wasn't an emergency that kept White from attending. A visit for JD2 is also in jeopardy and he seems like a guy who could quickly fall off the radar, especially with the offer now out to Hicks, who could soon become the only running back Texas takes in the class -- that is, if Wilson is viewed as an APB, as he is here.
  • Keith Ford, Cypress Ranch RB -- As expected, the Florida native did not attend and does not appear to be interested in Texas. At all. Of the current schools listed by him, there are no schools in Texas.
  • Kent Perkins, Lake Highlands OT -- The big tackle had a family emergency that kept him from making his visit. Though there was some initial concern based on the fact that Perkins told OB last week that A&M was his leader, the indications from his camp are that he will try to make the second Junior Day.
  • Ishmael Wilson, Dallas Bishop Dunne OT -- Due to a desire to see the Longhorns practice, Wilson pushed back his visit to the second Texas Junior Day last week.
  • Vincent Taylor, SA Madison DL -- One of the least likely planned attendees to receive an offer, the Taylors experienced car troubles coming back from the Texas Tech Junior Day on Saturday and were not able to attend. The plan is to make it in for JD2.
  • DJ Ward, Lawton (OK) DE -- The out-of-state defensive end was not expected to make it in and was in fact not able to do so. He'll need to make a visit at some point this spring for Texas to continue pursuing him.
  • Marcell Harris, Groveland (FL) S -- After a visit during the weekend of the Army Junior Combine, the Texas coaches told Harris and his family that he didn't need to make it in for a Junior Day. The 'Horns remain in strong position to have a shot at Harris down the stretch.

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Good writeup

It’ll be more telling where we’re at in a month than after the first day after JD1.

That said, this class could move a lot more slowly than what we’re used to. Consider the number of commits that we received in January and February for this year… that would make up nearly half the 2013 class, if I’m not mistaken.

by TxHorns989 on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM CST reply actions  

More than that, I think.

I believe there were 13 who committed in January/February last year. Still expect that number to be 6-8 though this season.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 12, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah sorry

I mean the last two months for the 2012 recruits… meaning that we got 10 recruits in the final two months of the 2012 cycle. So I’m not worried about this year at all.

by TxHorns989 on Feb 12, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Some good news tonight

There are reports out there that Aggie DL coach Terrell Williams will become the Oakland Raiders new DL coach. If true, the Aggies will lose their best recruiter by far.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 9:24 PM CST reply actions  

Early returns on Williams

were certainly strong, landing Isaiah Golden before he could make it to Texas and nabbing Huggins as well, who was supposed to make JD2. Wonder if Texas will be able to get back in on Golden as a result. Seems worth a shot at least.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 12, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Golden needs to be pursued, period

Williams was definitely having a good recruiting cycle.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The aggy coaching springboard

Still has plenty of bounce! Sweet.

by HookemHouston on Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Oakland Raiders=Aggies of NFL

Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.

by dukeoforange on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a bit harsh on the Raiders,

Don’t you think?

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by Andrew Wiggin on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

seems that with the tiny amount of schollys available, this is the year to slow play for quality regardless.

I still can't believe Fred Akers went for the tie...

by motolove on Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM CST reply actions  

This.

How many can we take this year?

Oh. Aggies, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.

by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 12, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ranges

I’ve seen estimates at around 15, but even as high as 22 if there is a lot of attrition, which people in the know seem to think there will be.

My guess is right in the middle, at the 18-19 range.

by TxHorns989 on Feb 12, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Some good quotes from Swoopes after this visit

I feel pretty encouraged by this one. JD2 could be about finding the Swoopes safety net.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

I like all 3 JD2 options quite a bit

Kenny Hill has really flown under the radar. He’s a hell of a player.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been complaining about this,

but I have no idea how the kid isn’t a top 100 player in the state. Even the new LSR doesn’t have him on there. Just a travesty. I know that he’s a bit undersized, but all the other tools are there. In spades.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 12, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hill getting overlooked doesn't make sense

Name an in state QB that had a better playoff run. Southlake is one of the premier programs in the state, and Hill just won a state championship there. He should get more attention.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He'll

be a nice pickup for whoever gets him. Serious talent, but also heard he threw a lot of picks this year.

Hope UT takes a good look at him as well.. Lots of options for us this year. Let’s hope the coaches can evaluate them properly, and we’ll be set.

by TxHorns989 on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Looked it up and

He made 416 passing attempts. Completed 61%. Threw 36 TDs and 15 Ints. So about a 3.6% chance for a pick.

6’4" 200 and a 4.6 second 40. I think we can work with that.

by WreckerTex on Feb 12, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I really like his film. I’m no QB evaluator, but his mechanics seem to be very nice and he’s got a quick release, which I really like. makes it look pretty effortless

by TxHorns989 on Feb 12, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

that is a high TD/INT rate

Just a tad over 2:1. Generally these things tend to increase with competition. Would be interesting to see more film on him given that information. Unfortunately just highlights are available and am guessing they dont show the Ints

by codaxx on Feb 13, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

2:1 is generally considered the baseline, no?

I would consider anything better than that to be solid enough, and definitely good enough to show coaches can work with him to improve.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Stats

The problem with stats is that they give no context. 2:1 does not sound very elite for a high school quarterback, but stats on paper will only ever get you so far. The film would tell a lot more. I think we’ve established he’s got a pretty big arm. Say (purely for argument’s sake) that 8 of his interceptions came on throws that he drilled through a tight window with great zip and nailed his receiver in the chest, but his receivers aren’t very good and decided to volleyball set the ball instead of catching it. Arguments that he should know his receivers better aside, I think we would all feel a lot better about his 36:15 ratio, knowing it should more appropriately be 36:7.

Or you can make the argument from that scenario that he doesn’t throw a very catchable ball. Besides, these numbers are all 100% pulled out of my ass. I’m not making any statement about the kid, just saying if you’re talking about a 10 year NFL career, TD:Int ratio is somewhat indicative of quality. But 15 ints over a year of high school football is an awfully small sample size to draw many conclusions.

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by Andrew Wiggin on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

my pt is that is hard to judge QBs by their film. You really need game tape. Film simply shows you what you want to see. Gives you and idea about his athletic ability and arm strength, but in my opinion tells you little about his ability to play QB. The INT numbers are high, so I questioned the film. It is just a red flag. Game film might show he is solid. I just dont have access to that

by codaxx on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Thomas is an excellent prospect.

It certainly behooves the Longhorns to properly evaluate him. In fairness, he’s a much stronger prospect than Kenny Hill because of his size and some solid athleticism despite his categorization as a pro-style quarterback. I’ll try to have some more comprehensive thoughts on Thomas in the near future as things develop in recruiting at the position.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah...whoops, didn't see this before my post that ended up down there

I’ve been very curious about the apparent disinterest in Thomas and Mike Mitchell, although I was pleased to see your update that Mitchell had received an invitation.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 12, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Any reason Cody Thomas isn't in the mix?

I read somewhere that Kohl Stewart is probably all aggie, which would explain no apparent interest in him, but It doesn’t seem like that’s the case with Thomas. I hypothesized in another thread that the pursuit of Swoopes, Barrett, and Hill could very convincingly indicate that Harsin really wants to head in the direction of dual-threat QBs. And again, while Brewer would seem to discredit that theory, Harsin might have wanted him instead of a more mobile guy because he’ll be ready to pass more immediately, just in case Ash and McCoy continue to flounder.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

My suspicion,

based on personal preference and on reports of how enamored Bryan Harsin was with Swoopes at the summer camp last year is that the staff wants him to know that he’s the top target and are trying to build those relationships with the other kids just in case.

And frankly, I respect Harsin enough to trust his evaluations of quarterbacks and so if he sees the same things in Swoopes that I see, well, I’m not going to be particularly inclined to question that.

In terms of the flexibility of Harsin’s offense, I certainly agree that it’s worth pointing out that we’re gaining some important information about what he envisions with the offer to Swoopes — which is obviously more of a zone option attack, even if it comes in a guise that looks like more the Nevada Pistol than Urban Meyer’s spread-and-shred looks.

Again, something that I agree with, because if you are can start optioning off defenders in the running game, then why the heck not?

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 12, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the response

I don’t have any reason to not believe that Swoopes has all the potential in the world. Granted, he’s playing relatively small ball, where he’s a giant next to most of the defense, but the talent shines.

I did just quickly check in with Eric Nahlin’s twitter feed, and it appears that Cody Thomas has been invited to JD2.

Cody Thomas has been invited to the second Junior Day. Need I say more?

I am uncertain of whether to interpret that as saying that the staff didn’t come away feeling too confident about Swoopes, and thus thought they’d better get in on Thomas now, or if he’s just saying the coaches are doing their due diligence.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 12, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably the coaches doing due diligence,

although I think there are going to be a lot of changes in that narrative over the next two weeks. It’s hard to see Swoopes being committed before JD2, so if he isn’t, what does the staff do? Right now, have to think that the coaches wait for him, at least through the spring, to see what happens, and then circle back on whoever else is left at that point.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

What a change in how we do things

No commitments today, surprising but not concerning. The RSJ photo was good to see, and I think Eric Nahlin is dead on by pointing out how happy momma looks. Hopefully RSJ and Durham Smythe commit soon, I’m really liking them. Wanna see something on the Morgan front, I know I’m not alone in his fanclub. Just think there’s likely not room for RSJ, Morgan, Smythe, Oliver, and Samples in what should be a smaller class.

And how about the Cody Thomas JD2 invite? When was the last time we even evaluated 3 QBs? Oh the days of 1 QB eval seem long gone.

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by The Audit Horn on Feb 12, 2012 9:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I think Barrett is the safest bet to make it in

Hill and Thomas both play baseball.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

very encouraging

It seems like Mack has finally given up all of his unfortunate recruiting idiosyncrasies.

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by RedmondLonghorn on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

questionable Tactic with DJ

If I truly wanted a) to attend Texas, I wouldn’t tell him his role would be like DJ Monroe. That kid will prolly run quacking to Oregon.

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by realmccoy on Feb 12, 2012 9:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Glad they're being honest

Definitely be negative recruited against if we tell kids one thing and another is their reality. Dontre Wilson is a longshot for Texas (unfortunately), so hopefully we just make it clear and tangible how we would use him, and let his recruitment play out. And maybe DJ has a monster year and opens Wilson’s eyes.

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by The Audit Horn on Feb 12, 2012 10:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Or the tone was more along the lines of

You are the hardworking player with good hands we thought we were getting with DJ.

by Horncasting on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I hoe D. Wilson takes his decision into the summer

Goodwin, Daje or DJ having a big year could all help us with Dontre.

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by billfromlaketravis on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

when I look for a "multi-purpose back"

I want to see a potential Ramonce Taylor, minus the felonies, more than a DJ Monroe.

Daje Johnson seems like he might be that guy.

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by RedmondLonghorn on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Thus year it is going to be extremely important not to settle for 2nd and 3rd choices

Just because the first choice is committed or not ready to commit before the season. IMO we are going to be back to 10+ seasons and one of the hot teams in college football. Both sides of the ball will be exciting and kids will want to join that excitement.

I’m glad the coaches were willing and had great success getting committed kids to switch in the 2012 class because it is going to be an important strategy this year.

With a potential small class, stay after all of the war daddies until NSD.

by Horncasting on Feb 12, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

Last year we poached from...

A&M, TCU, Baylor, OSU, LSU, Tennessee, Oregon and even tried to take one from OU, and with the exception of Tech and Arkansas, Mack nearly went after everyone’s sandwiches in a 500 mile radius…I’m not that worried about loading up quick, we’ll get our shot at them all…

We know our offensive targets, but our defensive targets are still in the air. Besides Harris and Manning, I think the coaches are still evaluating DEs, LBs, and DBs, and if the state of Texas is weak this year I would like to see our hat in the ring with a few more national recruits…hopefully Shiro is a turning point for us and not just a fluke.

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by TowerPower on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Corey Robinson

Is there any possibility that we will try and get the Admiral’s son? I am sure he doesn’t need a scholarship, so can he be recruited without counting against our totals?

by eirehorn on Feb 13, 2012 1:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't know that Jackson Jeffcoat and Mario Edwards Jr. needed scholarships either

Although they were certainly elite recruits, while Corey doesn’t seem to be. I admit I don’t know much about him, other than a couple of articles I just read, but he does sound like he has some of the athleticism.

Oh, keep in mind that growth phases could be genetically linked. Corey is “only” supposed to be about 6’4"-6’5" 190lbs. His dad reportedly was 5’9" at this point in HS (junior year), then 6’7" as a senior and 7’ in college. Imagine if Corey were to shoot up to ASF size or bigger.

Anyway, it may be that he’s good enough to get a scholarship somewhere, but I wouldn’t complain about a walk-on.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 13, 2012 1:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was hoping not

Even with meals/rent/books that seems at least 3x too much.

by Horncasting on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

more about recognition

Scholarship recognizes your ability. Also gives your coach more skin in the game. Money may not matter, but pride is important

by codaxx on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We had a nine-time national champion and all-american thrower on my track team...

…and he gave up his athletic scholarship because he was academically perfect, and therefore had a full academic scholarship. He scored more points over his last three years than anyone else on the team, but wasn’t on scholarship.

It’d be great if that could happen at UT, and in the past I’ve wondered if guys like Dallas Griffin might’ve qualified, although I believe it’s extremely rare for a school to offer full academic scholarship for business majors. But for high academic performers majoring in those fields that do typically offer academic scholarships, I believe it could happen, although I do wonder if there are any differences for head-count sports.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

its about 5K a semester for in state

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by TowerPower on Feb 13, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's easy to get nervous until...

you remember who’s doing the recruiting. Manny Diaz is a charismatic guy. We’ll haul in some play-makers on defense. The question becomes: can we do the same on offense? I get the sense that Applewhite is more of a recruiter than Harsin. But is Applewhite as good as Diaz? I suspect not. Diaz is hilarious and brilliant. Not to mention young. Mack is old. He resonates with all of the true Texan, orangeblood types. But with the guys who are legitimately considering other programs? Not as much.

There’s a different kind of recruit these days. These kids are savvy. They’re more curious about other places. They’re not as homerish. More programs (TCU, namely) are legitimately vying for their commitments. 7-on-7’s have influenced their thinking and pumped up their egos.

I think we’ll be all right (especially after everybody sees us play in 2012), but I don’t think we can deny that this is one of the most difficult recruiting landscapes we’ve faced in years.

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by LookinForIt on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

Considering that

there’s only one defensive offer out and that Texas could land several offensive commitments this week, I think the offensive haul is going to lead for some time once the pledges start rolling in.

And, uh, in the last two years Applewhite has helped put together what should be one of the top backfields in the country. The guy can recruit.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Major

what’s if any top programs you could think of that could be looking at him for head coach
position

by KingMack on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Bo Davis

Has those sabian like recuriting skills that man Is for sure one of the teams top assets

by KingMack on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

who was the DE from last year(two years ago maybe?)

who was the only prospect who left JD1 without an offer and ended up committing to oklahoma as a very solid OLB prospect? because im worried that thatll happen with hughes. chances on that?

by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

Believe you are talking about Nathan Hughes - 2011 recruit from Klein

I’d imagine with his brother signing with UT and already being on campus, 2013 Hughes will take his time and wait out UT for a little while. And if he does commit somewhere else, probably a good chance he can be flipped.

by Horncasting on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

with all of the bitching and moaning about offering legacies, nepotism, etc. in the last few years, I’m surprised no one has commended the coaches for fully evaluating before extending an offer in this case.

(Comment not directed at ibleedburntorange49-9).

by Horncasting on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah thats him

damn, knew the name too. just thought it was weird that they have the same last name with no relation. glad to hear that this doesnt seem like a possibility.

by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

In the end there is 1 spot

available. So you probably should be very selective with it. Nothing against Hughes, he looks very good, but not sure you lock him up with the one and only

by codaxx on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

I've been seeing this one spot thing all over the place

But GOBR’s needs/numbers post indicated two spots for linebackers, apparently inside and outside combined. I guess a big determining factor could be where the coaches count the numbers on some of those guys, because while Wade would obviously count toward the LB numbers, Hughes, Miles, and Mitchell could all count to other positions. Mitchell in particular looks like a born end to me, at least based on the limited film cuts I’ve seen of him. His first step isn’t quite Freeney-esque, but it’s pretty good, and he seems like a really good athlete. I’m sure you’ve seen GOBR’s diagnosis that he has some issues breaking down in space, which isn’t a description I’ve ever really found defined well, but I’ve always interpreted to mean playing with rigidity that hampers getting low to change directions quickly. That obviously limits a guy’s range in the open field. I do agree Mitchell doesn’t seem to have the greatest of range, but if I had to make a recent Longhorn comparison in that regard, I’d say Acho. He didn’t have all that good of COD/fluidity, but that’s a good reason he was at home at DE, particularly power end. Mitchell isn’t as obviously destined for that position, but I think he could play there, rush end, or a 2008 (junior year) Kindle kind of role—not that I’m saying he’s all that similar to Kindle in agility, because Kindle had terrific COD.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

We may still end up with 2 LBs

but for now the people in the know are saying the numbers are tighter than most of us imagined. Maybe this is just the politically correct thing to do since we only have a budget for 9 players as of today (10 Seniors but we’re still one over the 85 limit), or maybe its a strategy to allow these coaches more time to better evaluate the defensive players that will fit the best in Manny’s scheme.

The majority of us thought the D would have room for 3 on the DL, 2 LBs, and 2/3 DBs, but the rhetoric around JD sounds its more like 2 DL, 1 LB, and 1 DB which seems a little hard to believe…we’ve got to be expecting some attrition since we have a handful of non-starting redshirt Juniors on the Oline that have had 4 years on campus and may graduate early, Dominque Jones is in grade trouble and couldn’t make the bowl game, the often injured Eyron Barnett just got a PI and probably won’t crack the depth chart anytime soon, Byndom, Jeffcoat and to a lesser extent Hicks may go pro, and kids like Aaron Benson, Bryant Jackson, Will Russ, Taylor Doyle, and Marcus Hutchins may transfer out if they are getting passed over by incoming freshman (which is a real possibility).

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by TowerPower on Feb 13, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Attrition always happens, so I'm not buying predictions of a class of 13-15, but...

…also I don’t think 2012 seniors DJ Grant or Luke Poehlmann will actually leave, as each seems a shoo-in for a sixth season.

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by burntorangehorn on Feb 14, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I was guessing two linebackers

but unless there is some attrition, it sounds like that number needs to be revised to one.

With Mitchell, what I meant with him is that he misses a lot of tackles when it looks like he has a bead on a guy, then can’t bring him down because he has to change direction at the last second and can’t. Or call it a tackling radius. Kenny Vaccaro has a great tackling radius. I think one of the keys is to be able to chop your feet, get on balance, and then be able to re-adjust powerfully. Agree with the assessment of Mitchell as an end.

It remains to be seen how the coaches classify some guys with numbers and obviously the point right now seem to be getting started on building a lot of relationships to be able to circle back on some kids later if necessary due to whatever departures happen over the next few months.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

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