Next Big Rivalry?
by Brkroger on Feb 14, 2012 6:49 PM CST
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PrintWith ATM out of the schedual for the forseable future, a new Rivalry Weak game and eventual rivalry will have to be schedualed. Many people are looking at TCU as being ATM's replacement because of the similar level in caliber and the media liking a classic Austin Vs. Dallas rivalry. However some schools could also be seen as taking the role such as K-state or OSU. Personally I think a K-state rivalry wouldn't be too bad if we could find a way to beat them for once. Some may hate to admit it, but they have dominated Texas over the past couple of meetings. Anyways, who do you think should be next?
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K-state/OSU/TCU
they are really the only possibilities I think based on caliber and location. I would say WV would have also been a contender if it weren’t for the fact that they are so far away. Same with Iowa State.
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
I think TCU
A lot of the fun with rivalries is talking smack and going to the games. I know way more TCU people than K State and could make more games in Fort Worth than Manhattan
I agree
The big test though is whether TCU will be sustainability good. I know they have a lot of positives such as money, location, fan base, and culture, but ATM had all of that and were never the caliber of Texas or OU. I like the addition of TCU, but i don’t think they can stay good. ATM will still get the 2nd best recruits out of texas, behind UT. TCU will have to draw from the caliber of Baylor and Tech.
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I disagree
I truly think TCU will greatly benefit from being in the Big XII. They’ve been able to pull some incredible talent in a weak conference with no guaranteed BCS track. Now that they have that, I think it’ll lure a few more talents their way.
IDK
TCU is great at developing players into good talent. But the fact is, they were in a weak conference. I agree that they are strong, but its hard to tell just how good they are used to playing really weak teams.
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
TCU Sched
2008:
Stanford (won)
OU (lost)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Boise State (won)
2009:
Virginia (won)
Clemson (won)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Boise State (lost)
2010:
Oregon State (won)
Baylor (won)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Wisconsin (won)
2011:
Baylor (lost)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Boise State (won)
First, I included BYU and Wyoming only because we have also played these teams in recent years. Second, they’ve played some quality teams and have won against strong competition. They have shown they’re not afraid to play with the big boys. Third, their conference foes were fairly lackluster, but they’ve made up for it with their willingness to go to some tough out of conference stadiums.
I think they’ll have some initial adjustments to make to the Big XII when considering they’ll be playing tough foes week in and week out, but I don’t think they’re going to take a considerable step down.
I agree 100%
I like TCU’s chances of winning the Big 12 in the next few years. One thing to consider though, it that when you play easier teams week in and out, your players might not necessarily be as worked or exhausted mid-late in the season. This does not mean though that they won’t be as competitive next year. I would love to see TCU-Texas become a big, nationally respected game.
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
I actually don't know that TCU has the fanbase or money
I could be wrong, but they’re a pretty small alumni base, and despite current popularity, I get the feeling they don’t have the kind of non-alumni fanbase that’ll stick around through the down times. When Texas went 5-7, and back during some rougher years in the era between DKR and Mack, Texas still had a huge fanbase, right? I don’t know that that’s there for TCU to ride out any down times. I think they benefit most from location, a good team culture, and quality coaching. Is that going to be enough?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
TCU and K-State...
…should be each other’s new rivals…it could be called the “Color Purple Weekend” and they could create the Purple People-eater Trophy!
Of course, in light of the “major drug bust” on the TCU campus late last night or early this morning…they can now change their mascot from Horned Frogs to just plain “Purps”!
Those naughty little Christians.
Uncle. Enough already. In the words of Apollo Creed:"ain't gonna be no rematch" Mercifully, thankfully, the eyes of Texas will no longer be on Nebraska. Oklahoma never inflicted this kind of torture. Please Mack Brown, take your whips and chains and leave the good folks of Nebraska alone! - Omaha World Herald 10-17-10
CPF
The "Color Purple Weekend"
So, would Oprah be the Game Hostess? That would get us that all-important female age 30-60 demographic.
I thought OU was our rival
A&M was a gnat.
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by Hopkins Horn on Feb 14, 2012 7:34 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
They are
but we don’t play them during rivalry week, so we have to have a team to fill that 2nd rival spot
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
What is "rivalry week"? Is that the made-up ESPN branding thingie?
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by Hopkins Horn on Feb 15, 2012 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure how it began, but it's nation-wide
It’s Thanksgiving weekend. Some are contrived rivalries that schools are trying to develop, while others are long-standing, legitimate ones. Looks like Texas will be working on the former, at least for the short term.
Some include:
LSU-Arkie
Pitt-WVU
Ohio State-Michigan
Alabama-Auburn
Kansas-Missouri
UVA-VT
FSU-UF
Notre Dame-USC/Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Tennessee-Kentucky
Purdue-Indiana
Oregon-Oregon St.
USAFA-Colorado St.
Washington-Washington St.
Mississippi-Mississippi St.
USC-UCLA (in non-ND-USC years, I believe)
Georgia-Georgia Tech
I believe OU-OSU has recently been a rivalry week game, but the conference moved it to December to maintain some visibility while 12+-school conferences are playing conference championship games.
Anyway, it’s just a traditional week to have one of a team’s bigger rivalry games, if not its biggest.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
OU-OSU was moved to Thanksgiving weekend this year
Unless the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams I think they’ll leave it there. Like the UT-ATM rivalry, it makes since to have it then so travel is reasonable during the holiday. OU-Iowa St. last Thanksgiving was a bad idea.
by soonerspeak on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
so sad...no more
UT/A&M
Pitt/WVU
KU/MU
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Well....
UT/A&M – What % would be glad/sad…I’ll say more glad.
Pitt/WVU – the loss this game means a reprieve for couches throughout West Virginia
KU/MU – In hoops most definitely sad
Just a few years
ago we would have been saying Tech. Oh, how they must miss the Pirate!
TTU
i still say Tech. I think that would make for an awesome rivalry game. And i suspect it would help them in recruiting and make them enough better to where it would be , on a regular basis, a great game
Tech isn't the most formidable program overall, but...
…they have most of the makings of an ideal replacement rivalry, in my opinion. They have the in-state football culture, the kind of geography that results in those split family allegiances and recruiting battles, solid resources and fanbase, good or soon-to-be good facilities, administrative dedication to football, and a lot more. No candidate is perfect, but the only things standing between Tech and becoming a stronger rival than aggie was seem to be a little more real estate between the towns, a little smaller fanbase, and a less long-standing matchup.
What’s interesting is that in terms of record, Tech vs. aggie was actually much more of a football rivalry than UT vs. aggie.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Tech won't be our only Thanksgiving rival...
DeLoss pointed out that if we did home and homes with Tech like we did with A&M their stadium would be half empty since Lubbock is so far out there for the average traveling fan, the genius of the UT/A&M Thanksgiving game is that both schools were pretty central in the I35/I10/I45 triangle that made it easy for fans of both schools and DFW/Hou/SA to travel to the game and allowed most students easy travel to home and back, Lubbock offer none of these benefits…Ft Worth or Waco would be better logistical options, and I lean more towards TCU due to their recent success…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
If your talking about Thankgiving...
it sounds like DeLoss is trying to get it to always be at DKR, so Tech/TCU/Baylor/and maybe OSU would rotate into that slot every few years, but ESPN wants it to be a game of national interest so no telling who will be slotted in beyond this year…if that doesn’t work I vote to just play home and home on Thanksgiving with TCU, Ft Worth is way easier to travel to. While Baylor would also be easy to travel to I doubt they Texas/Baylor game will be turning heads any time soon…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
My take...
I feel like I want to make TCU our rival. I know this, the friends of the frog def. are ready to make us a national rival, haha. I like the TCU rivalry, but man, i want kansas state!! they make me nervous like a rival should…who knows, maybe WVU will come down to austin and stir up some drama…poor aggies, who are they going to be rivals with? bama and lsu are too busy hating each other to notice aggie. maybe they will get feisty with ole miss
Arkansas
Arkansas will be a great rival to ATM. They were both in the old South West conference and had a great rivalry back then.
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
And if aggy improves
they can fight for third in the division every year.
Huh?
“Some may hate to admit it, but [KSU] have dominated Texas over the past couple of meetings.”
Really? You must be new here. BON’ers have come to accept this the same way we accept that OU Sucks. Hell, at times it annoys me how so many BON’ers embrace this losing to KSU.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
Yup.
Light the tower purple.
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The basketball win the other night is step one in reversing the trend!
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
I know it is embraced here..
.. but i was more referring to the entire UT fan base as a whole. Sorry
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
I think it’s entirely possible for TCU to beat Texas in football around about as often as the Aggies did the past decade or so: 3. If our conference partnership goes on for ages I imagine there will be times when we win 5-6, and times when we win 0-1, but given the relative prestige of the two schools that’s about what I’d predict.
If that’s rival material, then I’m all for it. Want to make a huge ugly statue of a frog with longhorn horns and call it the Bullfrog trophy?
http://www.frogsowar.com/
Heh, I like the name
The problem is that a creature of that description could also just be called a Horned Frog, no?
Ten internet points to the person with the best idea and/or rendering of a trophy!
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
My only problem with TCU is...
.. their color. It is hard to get fired up about playing a purple team. Every so often there was always a recruit that would say that he didn’t pick aggies because he just didn’t like the color. Purple is sorta the same way. That being said, LSU pulls of the look pretty well
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
They had a nice uniform last year
Purple and camo I think. I thought that was kinda cool.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Feb 16, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
A rival isn't "selected"
it evolves over time because of results on the field. Arkansas was our most heated rival in the 60’s because we played for conference & national titles. TT was a rival, although not as big as OUsucks, because they could beat us. At one time Houston was a rival because they beat us & won conference titles. We are probably the most hated rival of most teams in the Big 12 but that doesn’t make them our rival. Trying to “select” a rival to replace A&M is absurd & is an insult to that rivalry. It’s like getting a divorce & then deciging you must “select” a new girlfriend.
If we have another meaningful rivalry it will evolve from events on the field.
Hey, you have to get your benefits from somewhere after the divorce, right?
Might as well start dating.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
but the first one probably isn’t a “girlfriend”, just a nonconference tuneup. A new relationship where you both love to hate each other takes time. You have to learn how to hurt each other.
Absolutely...but you have to date around a little and find one that works
As far as whether it counts as a rivalry, not all rivalries are as revered as others. It’s fun to dust off one’s shoulder and say that it wasn’t much of a rivalry with aggie, which it sometimes wasn’t, but it was obviously the second most important one after OU at the time of the “divorce.” That’s not easily replaced, and it’s not going to happen overnight. But attempting to replace them with either a currently lesser rivalry (Tech) or a new one that has potential to bloom (TCU for now, rumoredly Notre Dame at some point) could still be called a rivalry at some point, even if it’s not anywhere near the same level at this time.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 15, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, I agree..
.. but this is not necessarily about “selecting” a rival. This who you could see as maybe becoming a rival eventually. More of a prediction. Besides, a game ultimately has to be selected for rivalry week, and because we don’t have a solid rivalry (other than OU because they won’t move that), we will have to make a decision on who to put in that week’s slot
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
I think if Patterson stays at TCU for a while a rivalry could develope
But as posters above have stated it takes years to develop a rivalry like OU-Texas or Texas-ATM. TCU’s continued relevance might be at risk if Patterson were to leave. It does seem like a natural fit though and I hope it does turn into a rivalry. It improves the Big 12 and provides an interesting game to watch for all of us college football junkies. (hate the clickers TCU uses though)
Who do you think will become WV biggest rival in the BIG 12
I know the obvious might be OU or UT, but maybe it will end up being OSU with the Gundy-Holgerson connection.
Aggie would have been
owning to their shared uncommon love of animals & sisters.
All I know is
That is WVU were to decide Texas is their new rivals…well…color me rather terrified.
One conference to rule them all. One conference to bore them.
One conference to annoy them all, and have ESPN whore them.
Well, if we're already "Burnt" ...
… maybe they’ll move their little couch death march down the road to other parts of the Big 12*.
Gotta start with OU.
I seem to recall a bowl game a few years ago…
Oh. Aggies, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.
by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 15, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, they (Pat White) made us look bad...slow..whatever
Would love to get some payback.
by soonerspeak on Feb 15, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I remember that game
Wow. Shocked everyone, I think.
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by iamjackburton on Feb 16, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Notre Dame on Thanksgiving would be my first choice.
If that doesn’t happen I would like it to be the Ags again. A large fan base is a must so that rules out TCU. Would prefer Tech over an out of state team.
Iowa St?
You really think distance is the only reason?
Troll?
What about LSU anybody?? That could be a great rivalry
Both are solid programs with huge fan bases. Both fight for some of the same recruits, both are close. It would be really interesting.
We've all got hole to fill. Some holes are all that's real. Some fall on you like a storm, sometimes you dig your own. -- Towns Van Zandt
Pretty sure Texas wants to minimize SEC exposure in the state
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 19, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if you're gonna go LSU / $EC ....
… you might as well revive the Texas / Arkansas rivalry. It still would be awesome. Would probably be the very best Turkey Day rivalry possible for UT, bar none (’cept for aggy). For many of us here, this would trump a UT vs. Notre Dame or any other shallow manufactured rivalry.
You don't get together and vote on who should be your next rival.
It just happens. Therefore this post is pointless.
But if you are going to make pointless posts in the future, learn to spell.
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Interesting post.
First of all, TCU is in Ft. Worth, not Dallas. To any FW citizen, they bristle at that assumption. So, this would not be a classic Austin vs. Dallas rivalry. Regardless …
TCU was only a good rivalry w/ Texas back in the ‘30s, ’40s, & ’50s, when TCU was a national power. Since then, TCU has been an afterthought on Texas’ schedule, even in the SWC. It would be pretty far-fetched to think this would ever be a serious rivalry since it really never has been before. Big State School vs. Small Private Religious School doesn’t turn into a rivalry much at all.
Baylor vs. Texas is a much bigger rivalry, despite the domination the ‘Horns have shown there. Even SMU vs. Texas was bigger for a number of decades. TTech holds many similarities to Texas but they’re now dipping into the cesspool of mediocrity. Until Arky, LSU, or aggy starts playing the ‘Horns annually in the future, this Longhorn fan will not consider any others worthy of being a true rival of UT. Guess we’ll just have to be happy with those sooners, for right now.
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