GDGD to Iowa?
It appears that Greg Davis to Iowa rumors are flying... SB Nation is reporting on a tweet from Bobby Burton from 247 Sports (long enough rabbit trail?) saying that Greg David to Iowa rumors are heating up quite nicely. It looks like Ohio State better learn how to cover a bubble screen...
Well, I suppose someone had to bite eventually... I mean look at the record.
I'm curious to see the reaction from the Iowa fan base... How exactly do you think GDGD's rep is outside the Big 12? Is the year off telling of the level of national opinon?
Now that we, as a fan base, have moved on, and we are all past GDGD, I don't begrudge him one bit. I wish him well... I'm also glad that we don't have to deal with playing against the guy... because on many levels, even with the change over, his level of intimacy with all things Texas is something I did not want to deal with every year. Godspeed in the land of the corn, GDGD.
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Wish him the best
And I hope he gets the job.
And I hope we meet Iowa in a bowl game so Diaz can drop a goose egg on him.
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by kriess on Feb 20, 2012 6:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I just wish him the best...
and the abiltiy to run bubble screens to his little hearts desire.
You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later, you dance with the Grim Reaper.
by maverick76904 on Feb 20, 2012 7:33 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Iowa's new offense in action?

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by mnHorn on Feb 20, 2012 7:38 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
First play from scrimmage

I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I am a college football fan.
by spinmonkey on Feb 20, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
love that
We're Texas, We're not OK.
by Wrangler86 on Feb 20, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And the NCAA is 1-2 against them
We're Texas, We're not OK.
by Wrangler86 on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
with colt mccoy and vince young...
who is Iowa’s QB and how well can he throw the bubble screen?
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 20, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You do realize he was the position coach for both McCoy and Young, right?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 20, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Who was Ricky Williams' position coach?
by CMDR on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bucky Godbolt through the end of the 1996 season
He resigned in February 1997, at which point Texas hired Carl Jackson away from the 49ers. He left when Mackovic was fired, of course, and returned to coaching under Hayden Fry at Iowa. Then it was Chambers in 1998.
Why do you ask?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
(also, I found that Patrick Walsh was listed as having worked as an offensive grad-asst. for RBs in 1996)
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bruce Chambers must be a world-class RB coach
for coaching Ricky Williams to the Heisman in 98.
Who was Earl Campbell’s RB coach? That guy was the greatest RB coach in history!
by CMDR on Feb 21, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Bruce Chambers
Dude is a world-class backs coach.
by orangeblood1 on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you not recall that Chambers also coached Mitchell and Benson to great seasons?
Mitchell, as tiny as he was, ended up being a workhorse who went for consecutive 1000yd. seasons, and then Benson was a freshman all-american and a big-time performer as a sophomore.
And yes, I’d say that Godbolt did the majority of the development with Ricky, and Jackson did some as well, at which point Chambers and Davis polished him up and fed him the ball. But if you were asking because you’re implying that Greg Davis the OC and QB coach wasn’t a big part of Colt and VY’s development, then that’s a completely ridiculous analogy to make, because GD was position coach, coordinator, and playcaller for both of them their entire careers. Same goes for everyone since Major, as Major actually had his redshirt season under GD’s predecessor.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
the Big10 better watch out...
the best lateral passing offense in the history of college football is coming
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
It happened to be the best offense of any kind in Texas history, though
I don’t know how successful he’ll be at Iowa, but it’s not like his offenses weren’t high-powered and high-scoring at Texas. Maybe his offense just does well when there’s a real offensive line, like back when Texas had one?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
agreed
still think he took too much blame … GG didnt help things
by MJY6087 on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Why is it when I click on "recommend" , it shows it "flagged"?
I agree with burntorangehorn and MJY6087. While some claim GD was just lucky for over 12 years or so, and while I hated the lateral passing game, I think GD was a good man and a good coach done in by a perfect storm of lack of a running game, dropped passes, a defense not up to UT standards, poor blocking, inopportune penalties, and an inexperienced QB lacking in confidence and perhaps over-rated. And I continue to argue that his often unimaginative, overly conservative play-calling was at minimum approved by Mack Brown and at most, directed by him. None of us know how much freedom GD had, and that should be taken into account in any criticism of him.
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by OBdoc on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Why is it when I click on “recommend” , it shows it “flagged”?
Kink in the system, that’s all.
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by Hopkins Horn on Feb 21, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I would like some clarification
Greg Davis to Iowa as what exactly, the assistant ball boy to the assistant to the assistant OC? I notice you didn’t put that actual “job” description.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
by Wrangler86 on Feb 20, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Kirk Ferentz
Kirk Ferentz proves once again he is the most overpaid college football coach.
he must have a huge pension waiting and ready to buy that retirement home in
Waterloo.
GD brings his national passing records with him.
Most completed passes for no gain in a season. (4 times)
Most completed passes for a loss in a season. (6 times)
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by ut1ou2 on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
hahaha...
and most zone reads called in a row
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
In Praise of Greg Davis
Greg Davis was without a doubt the greatest offensive coach in the history of Texas Longhorn football. He developed diverse and explosive offenses year in and year out. He schemed some incredible game plans in huge games. He was let down by Mack Brown’s desire to change everything after the last MNC game against Alabama. GG paid the price as well. The highly successful Texas offense was changed in Spring ball with a young QB who had shown great poise playing in the old system against Alabama. All of a sudden the entire approach was flipped upside down. When the new approach did not prove successful, the coaching staff panicked, and tried to find the old identity again in mid season. Still, midseason we sat at 4-2 with an outstanding win against Nebraska. However, youth and inexperience in a scheme that did not fit our team combined with a defense that quit and Texas folded. Will Muschamp bolted, and we saw in Bryan Harsin’s coaching, a team in 2011 that was barely an offensive improvement with 4 more turnovers than the year before. The offensive improvement that we got this year was so small it likely would have come with anyone. This team’s strength was amazing defense that loved to fight with its back against the wall. Muschamp’s defense was blue blood and entitled. Diaz’s boys are blue collar. With his defense the year before, Texas would have had at least 2 to 4 more wins.
Was Davis perfect? Of course not. Yet the strength of his scheme was unbeatable almost all of the time. It depended on superior athletes who executed perfectly. With his run of QBs that extends from Major to Chris Simms, to Chance Mock, to Vince Young, to Colt Mccoy, I have to believe that based on the Garrett Gilbert we saw in Pasadena, that he would have eventually been in that list as well. Mack simply decided for some reason to blow the whole thing up in early 2010 because Colt got hurt, and he didn’t want to have to depend on his star QB anymore to win national championships. He overlooked all the wins that it takes to get to the MNC game. Now he has to worry about beating Baylor, Tech, etc……
Greg Davis coached Texas to the two most prolific offenses in Texas history with two different teams of players. He led offenses that set records in passing yardage, but also coached an offense that ran for right at 300 ypg. With Vince Young he was one of the modern innovators of the zone read offense that has now caught on across college football, but was then able to tweak the system to fit the skills of Colt McCoy. Mack Brown caused the collapse of Texas football, not Greg Davis. Of the 34 losses suffered under Mack Brown and Greg Davis, only 19 of them can be attributed to poor offense. The rest are defense or special teams collapses. In thirteen years of football at Texas, Greg Davis has a legacy to be proud of, no matter what some illiterate and entitled fans think or say.
As the old saying goes….for all you GD haters. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!
by WHEEMERS on Feb 21, 2012 3:22 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I mostly agree
I do think that there’s a time at which certain coaching personalities can become too long in tenure in one position. A guy in that position may still have all those great abilities that made him very successful for a really long time, yet be so long-tenured that he’s prone to analysis that is flawed, such as not being able to step back and see the whole situation. I think most of the rhetoric calling him lazy, a poor evaluator/recruiter, incompetent, unimaginative, uninnovative, etc. is actually lazy itself, because in the end, the guy commanded some of the program’s and nation’s top offenses over a sustained period of time. People can say it was the talent level’s success despite GD, but that’s ridiculous, because Texas’ offenses usually either rivaled or exceeded the performances of other highly-talented programs with well-respected recruiters. I just think that Greg Davis, being a very analytical sort of guy, had come to the point where a few analytic flaws were torpedoing his overall strategy. While I whole-heartedly reject the notion that his offensive scheme was impotent, as many have plainly called it, I do believe that the way he ran it presumed competence on the part of the offensive line. As such, as the OL deteriorated, the running game waned. I believe at that point GD did what he could to sustain offensive production, which was to lean heavily on his star QB in Colt, and the results were generally still very good, despite the imbalance. But when Colt left, that negated that adjustment, so the continued OL failures meant that GG and the running game were both effed. Some offensive schemes can overcome extremely weak OL play, but I don’t believe GD’s really could.
In the end, I think GD could’ve stuck around, and Texas would’ve been in great shape again on offense, but only if the OL play had improved significantly. Whether that would’ve happened or not, obviously we’ll never know, but I don’t believe poor Mac was going to be the guy to do it. I’m not convinced Searels is a rainmaker at the position, but I’m truly optimistic that he’ll at least represent an improvement, and that’s what we really need to see in order for Texas to become an offensive force again. It’s clear that a lot of people think Harsin’s the superior OC to GD, but whether or not that’s true, I think the most improvement by far could be from a much-improved OL, not from the change at OC.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I know it runs counter to the groupthink, but are there factual inaccuracies in that post you'd like to highlight?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, as long as you ask...
“With Vince Young he was one of the modern innovators of the zone read offense that has now caught on across college football, "
Thats just laughable. Yes, VY was the first huge success story of the ZR and VY is a big reason a lot of schools implemented it. But Greg Davis was no innovator. What he installed was a high-school level ZR, the same playbook VY ran at Madison.
Running a highschool playbook is not innovation. There was not a single new wrinkle implemented by GD.
You want ZR innovation? Look at what Malzahn did with Cam Newton. Or look at the offense Taylor Martinez was running.
by CMDR on Feb 21, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Malzahn was innovating?
Malzahn fine-tuned pre-existing offenses, just like Greg Davis did. He absolutely did not invent the wildcat, nor his overall offensive scheme. Those existed in HS well before Malzahn brought them to Arkansas or even Springdale.
That, my friend, is a fact. In fact, I’d be pretty surprised if you could point out to me a current coach who did anything but fine-tune/adapt an existing scheme. But that does not preclude the possibility of innovation, despite not creating a new scheme wholesale.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That fact that you don't even know what I'm talking about
lets me know that you are just way out of your depth. You believe GDGD was a good OC because people told you that was true.
I’m not talking about the wildcat, I’m talking specifically about ZR “innovation” as the OP put it. The same ZR play that VY ran the first time at Texas was the same ZR play he ran the last time at Texas, was the same ZR play he ran in high school. It was the exact same play. Zero innovation, zero fine-tuning, zero progression. Exact same play.
Compare that with what real OCs like Malzahn are doing with the ZR. ZR as inverted veer, ZR as midline option, motion into and out of ZR, etc. Look up Cam Newton and Taylor Martinez running highlights if you don’t believe me. Fozzy Whittaker ran a more innovative ZR out of wildcat than GDGD ever called (even though his wasn’t a true option).
by CMDR on Feb 22, 2012 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
People told me it was true?
No, quite the opposite. Almost everyone in the echo chamber says the opposite, but groupthink like yours doesn’t indicate truth.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Then why does the greatest OC of the past decade not have a job?
Why are we talking about an Iowa gig two years later?
Usually the hottest commodities are grabbed up before they can hit the floor. Think of the dozens of highprofile OC openings. Why is Chad Morris such a hot commodity?
Do all coaches and ADs in FBS needing good OCs just read too much Longhorns message boards?
Or maybe they see what the rest of us see?
by CMDR on Feb 22, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
plain and simple...
there is more to being an OC than just drawing up the plays….calling them is half the battle…GDGD seemingly called the same 5-10 plays over and over and over, with no wrinkles, no shifting, no deception…he was just happy with the fact that amateur footballers could not tackle Vincent Paul Young.
His play calling cost us a NC IMO. Why would you call a slow sweep option to the weak side of the field against a team like Alabama? All its going to do is gain 3 yards max or get someone hurt (like it did with Colt)…Terrible Terrible Terrible play call….lets run with our QB against a defense of that caliber in a game in which losing Colt would literally mean everything…
I don’t get why you’re defending GD man…were you defending him when he was here? If so, you were a lone wolf
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
very simple
Texas was putting more points on the board than almost everyone over an extended period. 2 years before Mack and Greg Davis, Texas had James Brown at QB and Shon Mitchell (who later blew out a knee) as #1 running back, Ricky Williams as #2 and Priest Holmes as #3. Greg Davis never had that much talent. Yet he set all the records. Its groupthink to bash Greg Davis and totally ignores the facts. Its like the group that bashed Fred Akers. That gave us David McWilliams.
Now Davis had flaws. He was predictable and didn’t adjust well. But in spite of that he produced. That’s the bottom line.
by bu2 on Feb 24, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry man...
but Vince Young, Jamaal Charles and Selvin Young are a better backfield than that…Ricky was playing fullback at the time you are referencing, so he wasn’t exactly a huge factor at that point….greg davis benefitted from having superior athletes to call plays against inferior defenses…plain and simple, anyone can call plays at Texas and get results. Better speed, better size and better players does not make a coach good, it just means that he had the better team. Davis never had these types of offensive productions at any of his other stops, why just at Texas? simple, best athletes in college football.
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 25, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
second (should have been first I guess)
“Greg Davis was without a doubt the greatest offensive coach in the history of Texas Longhorn football. "
Are you shitting me?
I’m not even going to list the numerous other OC’s with better offensive minds than GDGD, but I’ll start at the top.
Does the name Emory Bellard mean anything to you? The man was the inventor of the wishbone offense and revolutionized college football. Once his offense was installed, Texas won 30 straight games and 2 national titles.
Here’s a newsflash for you. The sport of football changed over the past decade and a half. Lots more offense, lots more points. Every single school in college football set their new offensive records in the past decade. Thats just how college football changed, not as a result of an overflow of genius OCs. To say that most schools in the nation happened to hire their greatest OC ever in the past decade because they started setting new scoring and production records is just plain clueless. What a coincidence that must seem to some people.
by CMDR on Feb 21, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Most impactful does not necessarily mean most successful or even most productive
Points and yards are production. Greg Davis had them, and more than anyone else in the modern era of Texas Longhorns football and most other OC’s in the nation over that timeframe.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Read my last paragraph again
closer this time. Every offense in college football had more points and production in the past decade. The game changed, and it wasn’t an influx of great OCs aat every single program in the nation.
by CMDR on Feb 22, 2012 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you think Texas just fell ass-backwards into being near the top of the NCAA in offense almost the entire GD era?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Texas didn't, GD did.
That was a result of very hard work by exceptional athletes, recruited by Mack Brown.
Show me VY’s top plays and which ones are him making something out of nothing and which ones are great play calls. Remember when GD told VY to ignore the pass play and scramble for 80 yards? Brilliant playcalling!
Same thing with Colt McCoy, same with Jamaal Charles. Individual performers wreaking absolute havoc and bailing out bad playcalling time after time after time.
During the GDGD era, Texas outplayed a lot of opponents. They never out-schemed anyone, not on offense anyway.
by CMDR on Feb 22, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly....
hate to say it man, but college football is an amateur game….and sometimes there are professionals playing against these amateurs. Texas was blessed (and still is!!!) with these professional caliber players the entire time GD was here. Finally an average QB comes to the 40A (GG) and the offense looks like literally one of the worst schemes and offenses in general Ive ever seen from a team with that type of athlete. GD’s offenses weren’t making peoples heads spin, at all.
Remember the game against Nebraska when his brilliant scheme had gotten us 3 points and across midfield maybe twice the whole game…then Jamaal Charles happened. I believe he ran for over 200 yards in the 4th quarter. He literally showed a bunch of amateurs what it would be like to play on Sundays, GD had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. If we had Selvin Young, we lose that football game, period…dont even get me started with VY and the OK State games….
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 22, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Which brings me to my next point kids.....
Don’t smoke crack.
by longhorn1997 on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Agree
Greg Davis was NOT a horrible OC. His time at Texas had come to an end. Play calling and player development grew stale. His tenure here was bye in large sucessful, however all good things must come to an end. New blood and a new approach were needed!
by rcpcrcpc on Feb 21, 2012 7:56 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
THIS
It’s too bad his fans don’t seem to grasp this concept. Instead, they just look into the past for stats. They don’t seem to understand that dinosaurs like GD have a hard time adapting. GD thinks running 5 laterals in a roll doesn’t mean it’s not working, it just means they’ll get it done on the sixth try.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Care to point out an instance that five laterals in a row occurred?
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Greg Davis would find his most success at Okie St.
it’s the only ncaa stadium where the field runs East – West. His offense would be a verticle attack.
by ole tnhorn on Feb 21, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Hope for success
Appreciate all he did in his time here, but for some reason his ability to call offenses deteriorated towards then end of his watch. I will disagree with some of the post above, I don’t think we would have the offensive output we had this year if GD was calling the plays. Harsin and Applewhite manufactured a lot of points with play calling in the early part of last year and after our offensive roster was destroyed with injuries. I think in time Harsin will prove to be as productive or more productive as a play caller. I wish GD all the best at Iowa, and I hope their fans have a lot of alcohol and back up remote controls for the upcoming season.
by horninraidercountry on Feb 21, 2012 9:38 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
GD...
if you look at some of the numbers his offenses put up, its hard to argue that he was a bad OC…but guys, lets not all of the sudden forget that he had pretty awesome QB play for the better part of a decade…Major, Simms, Mock (who wasn’t really all that bad), Vince and Colt….Tell me where any OC would have had a tough time scoring with those signal callers? Not to mention, Mack Daddy brought in some decent talent to play around those QBs. GD wasn’t bad, but guys, he ran literally the most vanilla offense that consisted of no originality and was never under center. That 05 title team, he was calling zone reads and they were working because he had VY-Jamaal Charles-Selvin Young (3 NFLers) running the play. Mack finally asked Greg to get under center more often so that we could balance out our offense since we didn’t have a QB who completed 75% of his passes anymore. GD had no clue how to draw up an under center balanced attack. We’ll see ya Greggy. The guy we have now runs circles around GD, just give it time for a QB to grasp it all
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 21, 2012 10:36 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Again, you do remember that GD was the QB coach as well, right?
If you’re going to say it was due to excellent QB play, fine, but that kind of succession management at the position isn’t something that happens in the presence of the kind of ineptitude you’re indicating there was. Furthermore, plenty of mega-talented QBs have gone to a lot of schools and done almost nothing, and it’s not by chance that a mix of talented and untalented QBs sustained that kind of impact over the years. Look at Matthew Stafford. Sure, he was extremely talented and actually developed into such a refined passer that he was taken #1 overall in the NFL draft, but Georgia still wasn’t anywhere near the dangerous offense under him that Texas was for most of the GD era. Let’s compare Stafford’s three years at UGA to Colt’s first three at UT, which were the same seasons.
2006
UGA 24.7ppg, 321.1ypg
UT 36.8ppg, 392.6ypg
2007
UGA 31.9ppg, 379.1ypg
UT 36.0ppg, 462.0ypg
2008
UGA 32.1ppg, 433.9ypg
UT 43.9ppg, 476.4ypg
That was also with Bobo as QB coach the whole time, Callaway as OC and OL coach in 2006, then Bobo adding OC and Searels arriving from LSU as OL coach for the other years. So what’s the deal? Why did the offense with a far more talented quarterback and similar levels of talent at the other offensive positions never really come close to equalling the production of the most unimaginative and vanilla coordinator in football? GD’s wasn’t an insanely gimmicky offense, but it wasn’t “literally the most vanilla offense that consisted of no originality.” You want vanilla and zero originality, look at the SEC or Big Ten. I won’t argue that the offense didn’t hit a brick wall once Colt was gone, but like I said, I believe it was because the entire shift to Colt’s passing game was due to the complete ineptitude of the OL, and GD knew Colt could handle it. When Colt was gone, there wasn’t any way to mask the OL’s failures, and meltdown ensued. And while it wasn’t under center a whole lot, “never under center” is a big exaggeration. Let’s not act like an offense that operates from under center is necessarily or even usually superior to one that goes from the gun and/or pistol, either.
As for whether Harsin runs circles around GD, we’ll see. I sure hope so, but there’s not really any evidence to suggest that so far.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, it takes a genius QB coach
To coach two of the best college QBs in history.
by CMDR on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is fraught with fallacies
They became two of the best college QBs in history in part because of the coaching they received. Keep in mind GD also coached Major and Simms into solid QBs. Count how many mediocre QB years there were in his era at UT. One, right? That’s not something that happens despite the coach; it happens because of the coach.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"Count how many mediocre QB years there were in his era at UT. One, right?"
Count the offensive production once the first mediocre QB came around.
Coincidence that GDGD’s offense fell off a cliff without an all-world QB to make something out of nothing?
by CMDR on Feb 21, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You just cited Gus Malzahn above
And I’d like you to consider what Auburn did with a far better OL coach and other position coaches, not to mention a five-star RB, when they ended up with a mediocre QB after Newton.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You kidding?
They went 8-5 including a bowl win. With crappy QB play.
Much better than 5-7 with humiliating loss after humiliating loss with an incompetent, inept offense, staying home during bowl season, and getting your ass fired.
by CMDR on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No, I'm not kidding
Context is everything. As I thought I’d made clear, I think the OL was the driving force behind the complete breakdown of Longhorns football. Sure some schemes can overcome a deficiency on the line, but GD did not.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know who you think is responsible for OL schemes
But his name rhymes with Deg Gravis.
I don’t know who you think is responsible for offensive quality control if not the OC.
GDGD was a lazy disinterested recruiter and let Macwhorter be lazy and disinterested recruiter who recruited the easiest guys with no rhyme or reason except they weren’t too far a drive.
Its the OCs job to set forth the vision for the offense, and the type of OLs to be recruited to fit his schemes. The OC is also drawing up the blocking schemes.
We all know Chris Hall was no match for Ndamukung Suh. Except for GDGD who thought it’d be a brilliant idea to have Hall try to reach block him over and over again. GDGD almost got Colt killed that game, and it was one of the many instances that Texas won in spite of GDGD, not because of him.
Lose Colt and Shipley and their ability to improvise and make something out of nothing and you expose GDGD.
Subtract Jamaal Charles from 2007 and that exposure comes much much sooner. If you think JC ran so well because of good blocking and schemes, you need to rewatch his work.
by CMDR on Feb 22, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If Jamaal ran at Texas today...
He would have won the Heisman…im not exaggerating one bit…with what we are doing today, Jamaal Charles would have ran for over 200 yards a game easily…Instead, he ran for about 135 a game running in GD’s brilliant 8 play offense
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 22, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Re:
Count the offensive production once the first mediocre QB came around.
Coincidence that GDGD’s offense fell off a cliff without an all-world QB to make something out of nothing?
We should at least point out that GG was recruited as the heir apparent to a system tailor made to his skill set.
It’d be like RichRod bringing in Pat White, and immediately forcing him to run a pro style system his sophomore year.
Nothing happens in a vacuum. And, QB play in particular at the amateur level is very specific to the offense in which the prospect operates.
by SuperHorn on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
C'mon Mannnnnn
you can’t even begin to compare the level of defenses that both QBs were facing. You can’t run a spread lateral passing game in the SEC, that shit doesn’t work. Look what happens in the Cotton Bowl lately, hate to say it. You MUST run an offense in that conference that will generate longer, sustained drives, play action passing and I formation downhill running. This style of offense produces the same amount of wins, but less gaudy stats. Matthew Stafford was taken first overall. Colt was the 86th pick. Colts “stats” were clearly superior to that of Staffords, then why was Stafford taken 1st? He was running an offense that didn’t allow him to throw for 400 yards and 5 td…That comparison does not help your point.
Greg Davis, lets examine his career outside of Mack Brown providing him elite QBs…
What QBs did he develop as QB coach of these schools: Texas A&M? Tulane? Georgia? Arkansas? North Carolina? How many of those QBs went on to the next level? TJ Yates is the first UNC QB to start a game in the NFL, great job Butch Davis?
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 21, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
False--the SEC does not mandate running that kind of game
That’s why Florida burned up that league with a new kind of attack under Meyer. The SEC-is-the-bestest meme is tired and false.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Florida...
ran a spread running game…RUNNING game…Tebow and Leak never let up the passing number except against the scrubs…Urban Meyer ran a “Tebow Time” offense. It was 100% about being able to run the ball first…
Im serious, give me an example of an offense in the last decade that has been a successful spread passing offense in the SEC? Arkansas of late is the only one you can think of, and to compare what the Hogs do throwing the ball compared to what GD’s offenses did, thats just laughable
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 22, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
@burntorangehorn
And you need to accept that not everyone can stay on the top forever. Quoting stats from 3-5-10 years ago means squat in today’s game with constantly bigger and faster and smarter defensive schemes.
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by iamjackburton on Feb 21, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for the tip
You obviously didn’t read my posts very well.
I do think that there’s a time at which certain coaching personalities can become too long in tenure in one position. A guy in that position may still have all those great abilities that made him very successful for a really long time, yet be so long-tenured that he’s prone to analysis that is flawed, such as not being able to step back and see the whole situation
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2012/2/20/2812934/gdgd-to-iowa#92615748
As for quoting stats, I’d be interested to hear what your position is, and see you support them with any stats.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
'Bout damn time!
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by Hopkins Horn on Feb 21, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm actually curious to see what happens at Iowa
There will be plenty of crow to eat for most of us if he does well. I will be extremely shocked, but it could happen. My money is that it does not go well for him, but I will be pulling for him and hope he does succeed. I like Iowa as well as any other Big 10 team, so it won’t bother me to pull for him.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
by Wrangler86 on Feb 21, 2012 12:06 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
he will actually...
do better than what they have had there lately. The offense they have now actually fits GDGD’s “scheme” better than what they are currently running.
That said, it won’t be long until the BIG10 is onto the lateral attack…maybe GDGD has been drawing up some much needed wrinkles into his play calling…He is currently scouring the plains of Iowa for a Shipley/McCoy combo to make him look original…He thought he was in on Tyrone Swoopes, but he got the job too late (kidding)…I remember listening to GD talk during the Colt era about how “Colt makes my job so easy…” haha…maybe a little too easy Greggy
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 21, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not a fan of the post title
AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by TXStampede on Feb 21, 2012 12:24 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Just for a lark
I say we all rec every comment on this thread, just to see what it looks like to have an entirely green page. Who’s with me?
by BrooklynHorn on Feb 21, 2012 2:34 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
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by Hopkins Horn on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I'll have what he's having
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by Hopkins Horn on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well done, gentlemen. Well done.
TCU's about to learn what strength of schedule actually means.
by Nico Martini on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
burntorangehorn....
so would you take GD over Harsin? Also, why do you think it took a guy like GD, coming from such a high profile job at Texas, this long to find employment? Not being sarcastic, just would like to understand how you can defend an offense that literally was as predictable as the sun.
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Pointless question
BOH’s answer would just be to cite offensive stats during GD’s tenure, ignoring all other factors other than that those stats were piled up during GD’s tenure, thus in his mind, any and all points you make, or will make, mean nothing to him.
The above response surmised from the last few hundred defenses of GD’s greatness by BOH.
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by iamjackburton on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Why are so many posts green on this thread?
I’d guess it’s about 3/4 of them. Is getting rec’s as easy as guessing GD’s play calls now?
One conference to rule them all. One conference to bore them.
One conference to annoy them all, and have ESPN whore them.
by lnghrn53 on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Almost as easy as reading 7 posts up.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
by zamm on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Such hostility. Mah bad.
One conference to rule them all. One conference to bore them.
One conference to annoy them all, and have ESPN whore them.
by lnghrn53 on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy shit someone did manage to green almost every post in this thread
AWESOME.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
For about 8 hours
it was something of an absurdist work of art – a mockery of pointless, unproductive, partisan arguing.
But then, sometime this morning, the bickering resumed…
by BrooklynHorn on Feb 22, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
HEY!
some of us like pointless, unproductive, partisan arguing! My job all day is to be productive and purpose driven! Sometimes I want to be a pointless bickerer…and who better to pointlessly bicker about than GD Greg Davis!!!!!!
by ACnDaHorns on Feb 22, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, you ARE welcome!
Texas Swagger
by We Are Texas on Feb 23, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hope he succeeds..
He’s a not a bad OC with offensive talent…:)
Good luck!!
by nyclonghorngal on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I have it from a good source
Gred Davis was interviewed yesterday (Fri) for OC at Iowa. Don’t know how it came out. Personally I hope he succeeds “big time”. In every profession there are people who are excellent, many who are average, and some who are poor at their jobs. So long as they are trying their best, no one should come in for the abuse Greg Davis has come in for from some the past couple of years. Yes, he benefitted from having some great players, but equally suffered from the likes of GG and last year’s O line. You can disagree with his play-calling, but no one deserves to be mocked when they are trying to do their job like GD was.
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by OBdoc on Feb 25, 2012 2:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
i think it's debatable that he was trying all that hard
He certainly wasn’t trying hard in recruiting, or keeping quality control over who his coaches were recruiting (yes that applies to Mack as well). Hard work from the OC would show up in comprehensive game plans as well as in game adjustments. I sure didn’t see a whole lot of either
Well, he recruited what was supposed to one of the top QB's in the country.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
One highly ranked recruit
who also was a tremendous bust cancels out everything I said?
Was he the main recruiter of GG? This is an honest question I briefly looked but not surprisingly couldn’t find this info.
Correction, interview is Monday, 2/26
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