Why I have a hard time believing anything will change next year...
by Horn Brain on Dec 8, 2007 2:40 AM CST
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Check out the awards for 2007. If you look long enough, you'll probably even find out that you got an award.
From a comment on Barking Carnival:
2007 Awards
Lan Hewlett Academic Award
Dallas Griffin
Outstanding Offensive Linemen
Dallas Griffin
Tony Hills
Coca-Cola Community Service Award
Derek Lokey
Outstanding Defensive Linemen
Derek Lokey
Frank Okam
Most Consistent Defensive Player
Derek Lokey
Dr. Nasser Al-Rashid Strength & Conditioning Awards
Derek Lokey
Frank Okam
Billy Pittman
Outstanding Tight End
Jermichael Finley
Joseph W. Moore Award for Tenacity
Roy Miller
Adam Ulatoski
Longhorn Club Sportsmanship Award
Quan Cosby
Most Consistent Offensive Players
Quan Cosby
Chris Hall
Frank Medina Rehabilitation Award sponsored by Pacificare
Cedric Dockery
Eddie Jones
Aaron Lewis
Rod Muckelroy
Brian Orakpo
Jordan Shipley
Limas Sweed
Luke Tiemann
Adam Ulatoski
Outstanding Wide Receivers
Nate Jones
Limas Sweed
Outstanding Quarterback
Colt McCoy
Outstanding Offensive Newcomers
John Chiles
Michael Huey
Blaine Irby
Vondrell McGee
Outstanding Defensive Newcomers
Sam Acho
Sergio Kindle
Rod Muckelroy
Lowe’s Most Improved Defensive Players
Deon Beasley
Jared Norton
Ryan Palmer
Outstanding Defensive Ends
Lamarr Houston
Aaron Lewis
Brian Orakpo
Outstanding Linebackers
Rashad Bobino
Scott Derry
Robert Killebrew
Outstanding Defensive Backs
Brandon Foster
Marcus Griffin
Erick Jackson
Drew Kelson
Lowe’s Most Improved Offensive Players
Jordan Shipley
Charlie Tanner
Clyde Littlefield Outstanding Offensive Back
Jamaal Charles
Roy Williams Joe Jamail Leadership Award
Drew Kelson
Valor Awards
Billy Pittman
Will Harvey
Thomas Marshall
Chris Ogbonnaya
Ishie Oduegwu
Greg Smith
Luke Tiemann
American Airlines D.X. Bible Most Team Spirited
Tony Hills
Frank Denius Most Valuable Special Teams Player
Ryan Bailey
Quan Cosby
D. Harold Byrd Leadership Award
Dallas Griffin
Tony Hills
Derek Lokey
Mike Campbell Most Valuable Defensive Player
Brandon Foster
Marcus Griffin
Darrell K. Royal Most Valuable Offensive Player
Jamaal Charles
George "Hook" McCullough MVP
Jamaal Charles
Colt McCoy
Team Captains Award
Dallas Griffin
Tony Hills
Derek Lokey
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What do you expect?
These "kids" are from the generation that enjoyed kindergarten graduation ceremonies and soccer trophies for wearing both socks on gameday.
We gotta keep 'em pumped up somehow!
bleh.
Are You Kiding?
My first reaction was this has got to be a joke. Next reaction was what about the perfect attendance awards? Third thought was I really feel sorry for the one guy at the awards banquet that didn't receive anything. But there is hope, the bowl awards are yet to be given.
Just no end to it....
....SOSDD
I guess all the little nipple-lickers of soccer mom famedom are all giddy over the "everyone gets one" philosophy of McBrown.
How does a guy get like 15 snaps from this staff and still receive an award for Outstanding Offensive Newcomers????
I don't get it...
Why weren't people complaining in 2005 when Mack was doing the same damn thing? Or in 2003 when he was making changes and becoming a better coach? You aren't on the football team so why are you bad-mouthing the way the coaching staff chooses to reward players? The Whatever-It-Takes Award isn't brand new and its existence certainly isn't proof that things won't change and/or become better.
The problem...
... Is that at a time when the entire fanbase is saying that MB teams are soft without VY, he is handing out participation awards and little blue ribbons, even to poor performers. The "outstanding" linebackers only stand out in the film room, where you can say "Whose assignment was that guy? Geesh! What are we playing two-belo... Oh, uh... good job, Killibrew/Bobino/Derry, just got unlucky on that one... right idea though! Everyone run a lap and then soak in the hot tub!"
Outstanding defensive ends? How about instead of Houston, Lewis, and Orakpo, we just give it to not Acho and Jones? Saves time. Maybe we could squeeze a few more awards into the ceremony, possibly the Maxi-pad Stay Fresh Award for Conditioning.
I'm not calling for him to yell at them and call them out on being terrible, but you sure as hell don't have to sell a little bit more of Texas' dignity to Lowe's, American Airlines, or whatever to give them a pat on the back.
I would rather have this
than a coach that made changes based on the prevailing winds.
Coaching by listening to who ever is yelling the loudest from the fan base is not the way to do it, otherwise Vince Young would have been turned into a receiver.
I would rather...
...not have this. Period. It was looked over when we were rebuilding the program from the Mackovic (sp?) years, and when we were winning two Rose Bowls, because we could always say "Yeah, it's lame, but we're improving the program and winning a hell of a lot." Things like this started becoming embarrassing when the program stagnated and we underachieved yearly, then we get a kick in the ass from VY and turn the program into a juggernaut. No one even noticed this stuff when that was going on. Now we're back to pre-VY, and this stuff enrages people that see the staff applauding mediocrity.
That said, no one wants MB to do whatever the fan base yells loudest for, you're definitely right. I made a sort of knee-jerk reply to 40AS' comment, and said that the problem with this is the image it conveys to the fans. While that's partially true, and it does give a soft image to the fans while we want signs of change, I think the main problem is that this upper-classman loyalty stuff is killing the attitude of the team towards the fans, the fans towards the team, and the team's own attitude. It's just not good PR.
There needs to be some kind of message to the team and the staff that losing to A&M and KSU twice in a row and losing to OU and A&M in the same year are NOS, and something is going to change because of it. Instead of "good job, team, we gave it our best shot, and this season was a moral victory" I personally think the attitude should be more of a "This is unacceptable, we will do whatever it takes to make sure that these problems do not occur again."
Not because the fans are clamoring for it, but just because that's the way Texas Football should handle itself.
I agree to some extent
I don't have a problem with the awards ceremony simply because it is a PR thing. It's a recruiting tool. If you compartmentalize it, it's ok. But you and everyone else on this thread are not doing that. It's an "Awards Banquet"! This is exactly what the night was for. Do I think some of these awards are overdone? Yes! Do I think some of these players deserved awards at all? No! But it's just PR.
As long as the fire is lit behind the scenes, I don't really care. Do you want Mack calling out players on a night where they were supposed to be honored for their committment to the University? From all accounts that I've read on this site and others, from people in the know, that fire is not just lit, but burning hard and fast. Every player that has been interviewed has noticied a different kind of intensity in practices. THAT is where it counts. Not in an awards banquet. Had he called out players on a night like this, what kind of message would be posted here instead? Someone would be bitching about that, too.
All I'm saying is, take this with a grain of salt. It's a sunshine pumping night, even if the team went 3-9 instead of 9-3. Now, if the press conferences have this kind of undertone, I retract my statements and am completely with you.
I understand the PR thing...
... and I don't mind having an awards banquet at all. My problems are basically:
1.) Coca-Cola and Lowe's? Come on, Mack, it's not like we're really starving for cash around here. This stuff is embarrassing even at the stadium, where it actually does make money, how embarrassing is this?
2.) Obvious underachievers got awards. KBD do not deserve performance awards. If you want to honor them for being seniors, give them the leadership awards or whatever. That is, after all, why Mack wants to keep them out there. Or at least that's what he says. I definitely am not advocating bitching at them in front of everyone on awards night, that's crazy. I don't think that they should get a diatribe publicly at all. Yell at them behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean you have to give them an award in public.
Those awards are basically a slap in the fanbase's face. Mack has been saying all year that he's going to play his senior LB's no matter what we say, and now he's saying that we were stupid, because they were actually the best LB's on the team.
Not every position needs a damned award, Mack. Give some outstanding offensive and outstanding defensive player awards, a couple of MVPs, and then do whatever leadership stuff you want. Don't sell the awards to Lowe's, and don't give people awards for playing well when they haven't played well.
As far as this being purely PR, and Mack lighting a fire in practice; Do you really think Mack went into practice the next day and told KBD, "Look, boys, we just gave you those awards as a PR stunt, you really need to get your acts together in the bowl game or we are going to get slaughtered. And Bobino, your starting job is not secure next year, Norton is a freak from Hell and we're going to play him if you don't learn how to shed a block." No! Neither did Akina or MacDuff, either. You can't light a fire under someone for one game when they win a ton of awards for playing par all year. The key word here is "embarrassing".
I think it
also has to do with everyone getting an award along with poor performers getting the gold star as well. How the hell can Mack give an award to Derry and Killebrew with a straight face?
Horn Brain is right, this needs to change. All jobs should be open to competition and only the best get recognized. None of us get an award for showing up to work, just what we produce. Why should it be any different on the field?
Who got the awards vs giving the awards
I think, 54b could probably provide insight, that they have been giving out these awards for years, so the simple fact that they are giving awards or the number of awards does not seem to be the issue. Who they gave them to is more of the issue and what reflects in the coaches thinking seems to be the greater issue.
But, to use your analogy, at work, when someone retires, even if he was not the best at what he did, you still give him a retirement party.
Do you know what a plethora is?
Were they able to serve lunch and dinner at this banquet?
My favorite award: Outstanding QB
Tough decision...so many to choose from...I'm surprised there was no award for "Outstanding #64"
Definitely a plethora of awards though I'm thinking we're missing one...oh yeah, a Big XII Championship.
Except that's a team award and apparently we only recognize individuals.
Outstanding Quarterback?
Seriously? That's an award?
Quan got screwed, he should be in an uproar. No Outstanding Kick Returner?
by Bdub on Dec 8, 2007 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Here is how I see that playing out
We got to give Colt something, he is supposed to be our team leader.
Offensive MVP? Laughter
Most Improved, oh wait.
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Best QB?
What's this?
George "Hook" McCullough MVP
Jamaal Charles
Colt McCoy
Aren't there enough MVP awards? Offensive, Defensive, regular, crispy, extra crispy...
I saw that after I wrote my joke
The offensive goes to Charles but they tie for team. Foster and Griffin must be wondering what they have to do to get in on that tie.
origin of my sn
Well, he did it. one of the defensive newcomers was my screennamesake, Sam Acho, number 81.
Re:
Wow, when I first saw the words "Barking Carnival," I figured this had to be a satirical post.
This is beyond ridiculous. Questions I need answered:
How does KBD get "Outstanding Linebackers" and KNM not?
Is Ryan Palmer peeved that he wasn't an "Oustanding Defensive Back," or does he just know he's picking up that award next year?
Is Henry Melton pissed that he didn't win a single award, despite being the greatest running back/defensive end of all time?
How can Chris Hall be our most consistent player when he can't even pick an o-line position and stick with it?
Does Sergio Kindle not get a rehabilitation award for successfully rehabbing his DUI?
Can we not get James Henry an award for giving us the best Longhorn quote of the year?
Can't we give Colt McCoy a valor award for agreeing to get killed every four snaps behind his patchwork offensive line?
Does the coaching staff even know that that Muck and Kindle aren't technically newcomers, since they're, you know, sophomores?
Why the hell do we need to brand our awards...is our football team really running low on revenue? If so, one of these really needs to be ED-sponsored. I'm going with the Joseph W. Moore Award for Tenacity, brought to you by Cialis.
By the way, I totally enjoy the fake awards much, much more.
The Herve Villechaize award for biggest hearted cornerback, which was awarded to Ryan Palmer
The Admiral James Stockdale award for best contribution by a second-in-command to Dwayne Akina
The Julia Child "Cook me up a missed tackle" award to Robert Killebrew
The Jimmy Hoffa memorial Disappearing Senior award, to Billy Pittman
The Winona Ryder surprising arrest award to Robert Joseph (first offense)
The Richard M. Nixon destruction of evidence award to James Henry
The Dick Dastardly stupid criminal award to Robert Joseph (second offense)
The Mutley award for best accomplice to Andre Jones
The Martin Handford award for being nearly impossible to find awarded to Jermichael Finley
My personal favorite:
The "Fuck Lion" Award for Unintelligble Speech Patterns...
The poster didn't finish, but it's obvious it either goes to Mack Brown for us not being able to understand what the hell he means when he claps, or to Jamaal Charles, because, well, you can't understand what he's saying.
Stop trying to dispel...
...our delusions with facts, Horn Brain. Be satisfied with your award for BON commentor most indulgent toward the coaching staff.
Excessive!
Wow, did they run out of awards for the waterboy and girl? What about Bevo, shouldn't he have gotten something for faithful attendance and not knowing what the hell was going on at anytime!
by horns65 on Dec 10, 2007 1:49 AM CST reply actions
Did anyone throw up a little in their mouths...
...when they saw the "Outstanding Linebacker" awards? Go ahead, check it out.
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