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Injury Insider: Will Carroll on stingers

Prior to the A&M game, Colt McCoy's father told the press that his son was completely healed and would be fine to play in the game. To many of us, he certainly didn't look 100%, and his re-injury pretty much confirmed our suspicions. Well, Papa McCoy is back at it again, telling the press that his son should be fully healed by bowl time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Well, we're just not gonna let that happen.

Rather than take the senior McCoy's word for it, I thought I'd get a little background information on stingers from one of sports' most prominent MedHeads - Will Carroll. I know Will from being a loooong time reader of Baseball Prospectus, the absolute leading voice of advanced baseball analysis. Will Carroll's been writing his "Under The Knife" column for years, and has parlayed that into recent work with Football Outsiders, and now ESPN.com.

Here's what Will was able to tell me about stinger injuries:

PB: Always good to chat with you, Will. I've thanked you before, but let me do it again: I owe at least two of my fantasy baseball titles directly to your 'Under The Knife' columns.

Will Carroll: Ha! Happy to hear it, though you have no idea how often people tell me that.

PB: Anyway, I know you're on vacation, so I'll keep this brief.

Did you see Colt McCoy's injury against Kansas State? Basically, McCoy plunged across the goal line on a quarterback sneak and got popped right in the helmet by a linebacker, causing the neck and shoulder to sort of retract back into his body. He left for the game.  He came back for the A&M contest, and looked hurt to me.  The coaches only said that he'd been "cleared to make all the throws he was cleared to make for Kansas State," but it was clear to me - just watching - that he was still hurt.  Then, of course, the Aggies pummeled him (and Texas), and he left the game once and for all on a stretcher.

Will Carroll: I didn't see the initial injury aside from highlights. Your description is pretty much how I remember it and that looked to me like he'd taken a pretty serious hit. Neck - and spinal - injuries are strange beasts and best left to the doctors, so I don't want to guess too much. What looks terrible is often nothing, and sadly, the reverse can be true as well.

PB: Can you tell us briefly what a stinger injury is?  What happens to the body in a stinger?  What kind of pain is it?

Will Carroll: A stinger is when the neck is stretched or compressed and the nerve that comes out of the spinal cord and goes down the arm is stressed. The reaction is one of quick, extreme pain, then often numbness or burning. It's sometimes called a "burner" and with names like that, you can pretty much guess how it feels. It can be serious, but tends to relieve itself quickly. Having these over and over can lead to chronic problems in the nerve.

PB: How does a football player recover from a stinger? Would the Texas coaches be wise to shut down Colt McCoy for the rest of this season?  Is this something he should be "fully recovered" from by the start of next season, as we're being told?

Will Carroll: Normally, there are few after effects - sometimes none. That's a tough question. If there was a game next week, I'd worry more than if he'd be ready by a bowl game. I'll leave this decision to the doctors, though. Texas has one of the best funded, most qualified medical staffs around. Let's just hope they remember that McCoy has a bright future, on and off the field.

PB: That's my hope, too.  Thanks, Will.  I won't take any more of your time.  Enjoy the RnR.

Will Carroll: Any time, Peter. Take care.

I think there was one thing that jumped out at me from Will's answers: "Having these [stinger injuries] over and over can lead to chronic problems in the nerve." (emphasis mine)  Well, Colt's had the problem twice in the last two games. How much more do we want to risk to win, what, the Cotton Bowl? Winning the bowl game would be really nice, but it's also not worth risking the future of McCoy, either.

Further, why not give Jevan the job for the bowl, allow him to prepare as the starter, and see what he can do? What's the downside? If Snead's awful and we lose, so what? We'd rather win, but it's not that big a deal. Louisville got beat in their bowl game last year; they've recovered just fine. Why not let Jevan play and see what he's capable of? Maybe he thinks a little harder about transferring. Depth at quarterback is a luxury, not something to be taken for granted, or casually dismissed.

Even if McCoy "feels" 100%, and even if the doctors give a green light for him to play, I think I'm in favor of shutting him down for the season. He'll have plenty of opportunities to regain his confidence when he's fully healed. Like, say, against our pathetic schedule next year.

I think my mind is made up: Shut him down.

--PB--

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Colt's injury
is becoming like the Major/Simms nightmare all over, but with a different twist.

Something tells me that next season this injury will be in the spotlight and could rear it's ugly head. I hope this isn't the case, but I have a bad feeling.

It wouldn't surprise me if after the bowl game we hear talks of Colt's injury needing more time to heal -- and more medical lingo being thrown around. This will be both frustrating and interesting to watch play out.

My own personal suscpicion (and of course I'm pulling this out of no where) is that Colt is hurt much more than we think. I have a hard time believing he could have the same stinger two weeks in a row. Pinching a nerve like that requires a rare combination of force and body position, which makes it unlikely to happen twice in a week. There has to be some sort of spinal or ligament damage. Something about it just doesn't pass the sniff test.

Anyway, I would love to be wrong and have Colt return. In the meantime I truly hope the QB competition plays itself out and the best man wins for next season.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Nov 29, 2006 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

smells like a big stinky pile of Bevo pies
or PIESofBEVO b/c you don't need a doctor or a specialist to tell the difference b/n when a QB is lobbing the ball and throwing the ball.  all you need is a non-retarded QB's coach/offensive cordinator.

I 100% agree with Peter, let's see what Snead can do in the Bowl game.

Crystal Balls

by MMHorns on Nov 29, 2006 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya
I agree too. Even with Snead just running the zone read and option they are better off.

Don't think for a second that if defenses line up and see Colt standing on the other side they aren't gonna be licking their chops to tee off on him.

Let the kid heal and see if Snead can win.

This season is a complete loss anyways -- and if Colt can only put up 7 points, it can't get much worse with Snead.

I will say this, if you look back at the play by play Texas couldn't be stopped in a more traditional I formation with a fullback (Tierman sp?). I would have no problem with Snead running I formation and switching to the option on occasion, then taking a shot down field every so often. I think he could be more effective that way.
But then again we know it will be the spread dink and dunk.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Nov 29, 2006 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL....
I love reading all these posts.  Especially the posts that were written back in October.  My how things changed.  I love reading how Brantley going to OU is a risk because of their questionable offensive line.  Its funny how OU's offensive line is dominating everyone they play now and have grown up before our very eyes.  Not to mention they are filled with nothing but freshmen and sophomores (with one senior).  

Its funny reading all these comments how Brantley would never go to OU.  If that's the case, then why are you morons even talking about it?  The fact that your talking about it shows everyone your worried about it.  You should worry. I'd go to OU's present team any day rather than go to Texas.  OU does have a dominant and young offensive line.  It does have great running backs (besides Peterson) and depth at RB.  It does have great young talent at WR.  Everything a good/young incoming QB would look for.  Not to mention he can step in and play right away.

It is also funny reading all those posts about still having a shot at a national championship (written about 5-6 weeks ago).  My oh my, how that has changed.  I love reading the posts about McCoy still being hurt during the Texas A&M game.  Keep the excuses rolling.  He didnt have great games against Ohio State, OU, or Texas A&M.  If it wasnt for short fields off of turnovers, Texas would have lost to OU along with Ohio State and Texas A&M.  All his great numbers have been run up against sorry ass opponents (with the exception of Nebraska).  Call me when he puts up 4 TD's and 300 yards against a team that is actually worth a damn.

In the mean-time, be prepared to go on another 5 game losing streak to OU starting next year.  OU is loaded with players coming back next year and has proven that Adrian isnt needed to post big time rushing numbers with this offensive line and depth at rb.  Allen Patrick, Chris Brown, and redshirt Murray will dominate next year.  And whether it is Brantley or some other QB, the 2007 OU QB will blossom under the great offensive talent that OU has at the skilled positions.  Just like Josh Huepel, Jason White, and Paul Thompson did.  So night night all you Donghorn fans.  Enjoy this year's victory.  It could be awhile before you celebrate again.

Boomer Sooner

by ameron4037 on Nov 29, 2006 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Revisionist History
Speaking of LOL, how nice of you to come in here.

OU no doubt has had a great season despite what happened to Peterson.  Congrats.

But on October 7th of this year, there were no excuses.  We played it on the field, and we took it to you in the 2nd half.  Short field?  That's because Peterson and the Receivers were getting popped pretty hard by our Defense, setting up those short fields.

As they say, "look at the tape".

No one here is worrying about next year.  Bring it on!

by LeftHandedTexan on Nov 29, 2006 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How have things changed?
Texas Still beat ou 28-10. Much better to be talking NC in November than to already have been eliminated by your rival in October. As for Brantley if he wants to go to OU, fine let him go. Peterson went to OU to win championships and Heismans and left with neither while Texas has one NC during his career. Great decision AD. If Brantley wants to be the next AD or Bomar we don't want him. As for your next 5 game win streak I would worry about winning one first. As it stands we have the current win streak, the current NC and the all time record head to head, you've got wind, dust, mobile homes, players taking illegal benefits and a 3rd rate education.  

by billb on Nov 29, 2006 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh by the way
it is "your're" not "your".

by billb on Nov 29, 2006 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW
Talking shit when you lost.  Typical Sooner.  So, amoron24/7, no excuses...  then you go on to say, "If it wasnt for short fields off of turnovers, Texas would have lost to OU."  That sounds like an excuse to me.  

And Paul Thompson, wasn't he a gem.  Got booted to WR because he couldn't hack the QB spot, then gets "promoted" because your starter was a freakin' moron.  He handled the duties admirably, but anyone with half an arm could with Peterson in the backfield.

I won't debate next year, or the year after, or the next 15 years.  But I will say this.  Keep hopes alive on Brantley.  It will not happen.  Period.  If he does decommit to Texas, it certainly won't be OU that he's going to.  So, keep the faith, dumbass.  

If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable.

by GoHorns on Nov 29, 2006 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if you want to cause a ruckus...
post on some message board with this invective bullshit.  this isn't a shit-talking blog.  if you want to seriously debate something related to texas or college football generally, feel free.  otherwise, go away.

by billyzane on Nov 29, 2006 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um
I may have, uh, changed the tone a little bit with my most recent post.

Not that I regret it ;)

by Peter Bean on Nov 29, 2006 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Not sure really where to start.

Did you really go back and read all of the old post?  Thanks for the ad revenue.

You managed to bitch about us making excuses and make excuses for your loss in the same paragraph, most people would see how that might hurt your arguement, but not you.  Congrats.

I guess that comes from writing "Nothing but" and then adding "with one senior".  Maybe you sould have gone with mostly or even 4 of 5.  

Keep on dreaming about Brantly, but he is coming to Texas.  He does not want to play right away.  That was his specific reason for coming to Texas, because he wants to redshirt.

Dont get too excited about all of your players coming back next year, your track record has not been too good as of late of keeping your stars on the roster during the off season.

by Wells on Nov 29, 2006 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice new name
BWAAAARRRRR IM SO PISSED OFF AT TEXAS THAT I'M GOING TO CALL THEM DONGHORNS ON THE BON MESSAGE BOARD.  Get a life
What hurts the most is that somewhere far from here, two douchebags who made their own stupid rap video are dying of laughter.

by bendj on Nov 29, 2006 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What is your excuse ameron (aka A Moron)
... for the 28-10 drubbing you took in the Cotton Bowl in October.

I was at that game.  There was nothing nicer than to see you Sooner Boomers suffer a humiliating defeat.  

And now it is so easy to say how much OU has grown and matured since that game.  

Whatever, dude, just look at the scoreboard from the past two seasons.  'Nuff said.  

by Top Jimmy on Nov 30, 2006 12:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Quarterbacks
My guess is that the Brantlys' plan on John playing in the pros someday.  How's the pro thing working out for Big Game Bob's ex-QBs?

by UTeed on Nov 29, 2006 5:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Quarterbacks
LOL funny!! Very nice!

by texxis pete on Nov 29, 2006 10:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's more than a little scary....
that McCoy could have a neck injury this early in his career. I haven't had time to follow up on all of it, but I'm sure your coaches and medical staff will make sure the kid's okay before he plays again.

I mean, even though he's a Longhorn and everything, it'd be a shame if this is a lingering injury that could hurt his college career over the long run. It's going to be interesting watching him play Big 12 football over the next couple of years.

If there's one silver lining, it's probably that Snead won't be transferring, as is the case with a lot of young quarterbacks who find themselves second string these days.

Good luck to you guys, and Colt McCoy....

Go Big Red Nebraska!
http://www.cornnation.com

by cornnation on Nov 29, 2006 11:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL.....
I knew that post would shake up the Donghorn faithful.  I guess the truth really does hurt.  Take all that wine and cheese somewhere else.  The fact of the matter is we are Big 12 Champs...Again!!!  We got 7 national championships....uhhh, how many do you have?  We dont need sorry ass Brantley now, because we just robbed Michigan State of their QB who was highly recruited by many top teams.  So we'll whoop your ass with a true freshman next year.  Get Colt McCoy use to those concussions and pinched nerves, because there will be plenty more to come next year.  Oh, and I almost forgot.  Good luck in the Toilet Bowl this year....Whoops, I meant the Alamo Bowl.  

Sincerely,

Ameron

by ameron4037 on Dec 8, 2006 6:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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