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Snead or McCoy? The Coming Debate

So, Colt McCoy or Jevan Snead? Which camp are you in? Everyone's going to have to pick a side sooner or later. Would anyone really be that surprised if we had Applewhite-Simms Deathmatch II? The reality is that nobody's seen either of these kids take a single snap of collegiate football, but speculation is already rampant on who will win the job. Hey, that's Texas football. Like they say, it's a religion. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Texas coaches have already begun having their own version of The Council of Trent to try to sort this thing out.

Let's help them out.

Before any decisions can be made, you have to ask the right questions. The first, and most important, has to be: what role do you want the quarterback to play? Do you want a guy that can throw the deep ball? A control artist? Someone mobile? Even with Vince Young, it took a while to answer that question: before he was Vince the Center of the Offense he was Vince the Complimentary Quarterback. That's what the coaches have to be looking for from McCoy and Snead. Who's going to be able to compliment the running game best? There aren't going to be many games where we ask the quarterback to win the game for us. That's going to be up to the running game. What we want is someone who isn't going to get us beat. Someone who won't have a Colorado Chris Simms or Kerwin Bell Orange Bowl meltdown.

With some coaches, choosing the quarterback would be pretty cut and dry. A lot of coaches have that decisive personality that lives and dies with decisions; final decisions. Not Mack Brown. The Mack's style is definitely gentler, less decisive, more open to change. He's a positive guy, so you won't see him biting anyone's head off. He's more likely to be Phillip Freemason Esterhaus, encouraging his guys to "Be careful out there!" than he is to snarl at his players like Bob Stoops.

Which means that these tough decisions are harder not only for him, but for us. Because for every "Jevan Snead is doing a great job" quote we're going to get from Mack, we're equally likely to get a "Colt McCoy is progressing so nicely, too." Mack Brown's intentions are often more complex than a P.G. Wodehouse plot; you just don't know how he's going to mix things up. Last year's running backs were a perfect example: how much time did we spend speculating on who would start, how many carries each would get, and what situations they'd be used in? It's hard to say.

We'll have plenty of time to figure out which quarterback -we- think is best suited for the job, and our recruiting writers are working on a great article debating the merits and demerits of both Snead and McCoy. But one thing I'm hoping and praying that Mack Brown does is decide who HE thinks is the guy for the job and sticks with him. I hope he's unequivocal about it, and says as much. The Longhorns can repeat as national champions next year, but not if there guy behind center is never sure if he's going to be in on the next series. Mack must be decisive, or we'll be no better off than Ohio State was in the showdown last year. Mack must figure out who the Justin Zwick of the group is, and park him on the bench.

I recently had a debate with a friend who argued that Mack was incapable of such fortitude. I disagreed, and here's why. I think Mack -used- to be averse to the gutsy, go with your guns, attitude because he was always living on the edge. By that I mean that the pressure to win (not 10 games mind you, but a national title, and no less) was so great that he must have felt like Judah P. Benjamin, wondering whether or not he'd even survive the rumors of his guilt. It's paralyzing, I'm sure, and I know it affected the way Mack coached. But that ship has sailed. He's got the title. He was just at the White House. He gave every Texas fan all that we've ever wanted. The rest is easy. He can have fun; he can relax; he can go for another title without the fear of never getting there. Nothing can make a difficult decision easier than not being paralyzed by the fear of being wrong. Mack will pick his quarterback and Texas will sink or swim with that choice. Let the debate begin.

--PB--

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Snead
They say converts are the staunchest supporters. I've done a 180 on this issue.
I'm not longer a Coltist, but have become a believer in Snead.
From the film I've seen, to things I've heard, talking to people that have seen him play and then the AA game pretty much sealed it for me.

This position isn't an anti-Colt thing. He's probably a solid QB and could start at most D1 programs. But Snead is looking more and more like an elite QB. He has the skills and intangibles (from what limited info on him).

Plus, think about the next two seasons. Texas has a legit shot at another title in 07 and 08. Look at how young the skill position players are and this budding defense. Texas will be a monster in 07. Snead has so much upside, even if he's only average in 06 - he has the stuff to be great in later years.

Walker, Texas Ranger -- C.D. Parker: And how are you doing, little partner? Lucas Simms: Walker told me I have AIDS.

by EYESofBEVO on Feb 16, 2006 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mack's New Swagger
What a difference a national championship makes.  I'm sure Mack will chose the quaterback that has the biggest potential for providing big plays.  During the VY - Chance Mock years, chance was QB b/c VY couldn't run the office.  After VY picked it up, Mack went with the QB with the most potential for the big play. Just like the Sims-Applewhite debacle. Sims had a huge arm, that he used to light up UL-La. However, he could never come through in the big game, so Mack had to cycle in Applewhite - but in his heart Mack always preferred the big-play-ability of Sims.  I think we will see similar here until Snead picks up the offensive, then the job is his.  We all know McCoy was a throw in a recruiting class a year ago.  This was supposed to be Perilloux's team after VY bounced.  We didn't steal Snead from Florida, to back a kid from Jim Neds....

BTW - I love the column, but it did smack of a little Dennis Miller-ish antics.  Keep real for us lay people out here - Just a suggestion.

by jumpmantx on Feb 16, 2006 10:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Damnit!
You beat me to the Dennis Miller reference! (see below)

by Broccoli on Feb 16, 2006 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dennis Miller
You've gone Dennis Miller on us with your obscure allusive style!  I likes.

Anywhoo, I'm not sure I agree with all this.  I'm not convinced Mack has changed at all - I think he's still doing the same things he always did, but they just happened to work out this time.

Unfortunately, I still see Mack doing the QB-switcheroo with these guys, perhaps deep into the season.  I obviously don't want that, but I'm not sure Mack will just pick one and go with him.

With Vince, I think what worked was that Mack could be hands off - VY was the guy that, as soon as they let the reigns loose, letting him do what he wanted out there and have much more freedom to choose, made the team what it was.  I don't think it was the coaching the made us the National Champions - it was VY (and not, of course, to discredit the team around him, without whom VY couldn't have done nearly as much).

I think Mack's a helluva coach, but I don't see him being the guy to stick with a decision.  I don't think he learned from the Applewhite/Simms debacle.  That continued throughout the remainder of Applewhite's career.  Look at the Holiday Bowl, the last game of Major's career - Simms started (as per usual), blew it as much as humanly possible, and then Major was called in (as he had been so many times before) to try and fix everything Simms had screwed up.  And he did that time.

This last year, I think it was more about not having another quarterback - I know there was Nordgren, but seriously, he wasn't much of an option.  They hadn't recruited another QB, and VY was running the show.  Nothing to do be stand back and watch this beautiful creation that Mack had assembled.

I do agree that the key to next year is the run.  We have a disgustingly sick stable of backs who are capable of taking us all the way (along with our defense and another outstanding offensive line).  But I really see Mack switching the guys back and forth throughout most of the season, ESPECIALLY if the running game is running the show.  One guy will eventually prove himself worthy, but it may not be til very late in the season (much like Ohio State this last year).  Hopefully that won't be enough to ruin our chances at a repeat NC.

And as for the pressure being off Mack, I think the exact opposite is true.  Like Pete Carrol said, the real pressure is getting back to the NC.  The first one is the dream season - the next one is damn near impossible.  If we thought we had pressure last year, what with the number 2 preseason ranking and lots of attention, imagine our team feeling like USC did last year - expectations extremely high all year long, and everyone waiting for you to stumble.  Mix in a freshman (whether redshirt or not) QB, and it's going to be difficult.  Not impossible, but very, very difficult.

One more thing - as for pressure, I think the stakes are only higher on Mack this year, but if anything has been proved about his position, it's that he's not going anywhere, so long as we keep having 10-win seasons.  After gettting us to the Rose Bowl against Michigan, he got a 10-year contract extension and a HUGE raise.  Dodds loves him.  The school loves him.  Obviously, winning a NC sure helps his comfort level as head coach, but even if we stumble through a couple of games, Mack needn't feel any pressure as long as he keeps recruiting well, filling the stadium, having 10+ win seasons, and keeping Texas football a big TV draw.

by Broccoli on Feb 16, 2006 10:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dead WRONG!!!
Are you kidding me. There is no pressure on Mack or Texas. (see early polls) Nobody is giving us a shot at the repeat. When Vince said he was leaving the pressure was gone. Even if pressure was there, Mack has proven he can weather the storm. For Christs sake how many hits a day did www.firemackbrown.com have since the 2nd loss to OU?

We still repeat BTW.

I beat Wells in pool!!!

by AdamDC on Feb 16, 2006 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh
Dennis Miller I am not.

Just doing my part in T Kyle's weekly challenge...

Game explanation here: http://www.xanga.com/tkyleking/440293798/item.html

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PB

by Peter Bean on Feb 16, 2006 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Very Nice
I just read about the Mayor's challenge this morning and somehow missed the Council of Trent reference.  But I definitely knew something was up reading "Phillip Freemason Esterhaus".  I consider myself decently intelligent and usually get most of Dennis Miller's schtick but have no idea who that guy is.  Kudos.  I'm proud to see the BON represent, I don't think this august body gets enough recognition in the CFBlogosphere...

by Kahuna on Feb 16, 2006 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Bob
Much appreciated.

by Peter Bean on Feb 16, 2006 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Broccoli
Major started and played every snap of the Holiday Bowl his final season.  He had a great game, but had to bail himself out after throwing 3 second-quarter interceptions.

Nice revision of history, there.

I also don't understand why you think Mack will be under all this pressure next season (I don't think you do, either, after reading your final paragraph).  There won't be any expectations of this team now that Vince is gone - at least in terms of the national title.  His place is secure here and his recruiting ability will keep the talent level at the top of the Big 12 for a long time.  Plus, he's said how much more he enjoys coaching now that he has alleviated that personal pressure.  I don't see how that's going to change.

As for the original post and Snead vs. McCoy, why will it become necessary to "pick a side sooner or later"?  That's ridiculous.  Especially this early in their college careers.

by Jason Mayer on Feb 16, 2006 11:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My Bad
You're right - Major started and finished the game, bailing himself out from his disastrous 2nd quarter.  My bad.  I think Chris Simms' performance in the Big XII Title Game (the one where, had we won, we'd have gone to the NC game) has clouded my vision of what happened afterward.  I forgot that Mack started Major for the Holiday Bowl.  

A revisionist, I think not.  Just forgetful (and still angry).

I don't agree that there "won't be any expectations of this team" - far from that, I think there will be quite a bit of expectation, Vince or no Vince.  And yes, expectations of another NC.  Pressure from on high?  Not so much.  Pressure from the fans?  I think so.

Fans, especially Texas fans, are incredibly fickle.  In my opinion, Texas fans are some of the most fair-weathered in the country.  It wasn't so long ago that everyone was calling for Mack's head.  I was pissed too, but mostly for benching the Major for Simms.  And now that Mack has brought home a NC - the very thing that was expected of him - I don't think anyone is going to settle for one.  So when I talk about pressure, I think it'll be a very real presence.  

We're sitting on the longest active win streak in the country - it'll stop at some point, but regardless of when that is, it'll be disappointing.  I think that expectations are higher than ever after last season.

So the pressure will come from the media and the fans - I didn't mean to imply (nor do I think I did) that his position as head coach at Texas will be in doubt if we don't win another NC next year.  But the fans will expect even more from Brown, and you can bet your ass that the moment he starts switching QBs around, especially if later in the season, that people will start to talk about the Applewhite-Simms situation of a few years ago.  And that will be pressure on Brown.

I'm not saying that Mack can't handle it - I think what I was trying to get at is that I don't think Mack has changed at all - the Oklahoma win last year was a huge monkey of Mack's back - but that monkey will easily re-perch itself the next time Mack loses to OK - which, much as we don't want to think about it - will doubtless happen again.  Hopefully not next year, but it will.  

Mack's coaching style worked well with Vince running the show - a more hands off approach.  But next year, with a freshman running the offense, I'm interested to see if Mack has changed at all, if he learned anything from Applewhite/Simms.  

by Broccoli on Feb 16, 2006 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
I was being a little bit dramatic, obviously, in saying you have to "pick a side." The only point I'm making is that there's -always- going to be a crowd that thinks the wrong guy is in the game the moment we lose. Count on it. And then we'll get the inevitable, "Colt McCoy wouldn't have lost that game." Or, "Why isn't Snead in the game?!? He would have made that play!"

Or, most likely, "Freaking Simms blew it again!"

by Peter Bean on Feb 16, 2006 11:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cult of Colt or Synod of Snead?
It's a great debate, but I don't think it'll be resolved in 2006.  It's unrealistic to think a freshman QB (RS or otherwise) can possibly lead a team to the promised land.

I've seen the posts about finding a QB who can lead the offense onto the field and then just stand back - "you just won a 2006 burnt-orange hummer, here's the keys".  If we had had either of these two guys last year, we wouldn't have won the National Championship.  Period.  We probably wouldn't have beat tOSU, we wouldn't have had yet another miracle comeback at OSU, and god forbid we might not have even beaten Aggie.

No knock on either of these guys.  They both seem to be great athletes, and one or both of them will be great QB's.  But it's just not realistic to expect next year's team to duplicate the success of this year's team, regardless of how many guys are coming back.

We'll have a great year. We'll still beat tOSU.  We'll still beat OU.  We'll definetly beat aTm, though we could probably do that with a High School freshman at QB, playing at DKR.  We will probably win the Big XII South.  We will probably beat Nebraska for the Big XII Championship. We will probably get to another BCS bowl. We probably won't win back-to-back MNC's, but we will probably be serious MNC contenders in 2007 and 2008.

Will we consider that kind of season a disappointment?  Will we be calling for the heads of Colt, Jevan, or Greg Davis?

Patience Paying Off

by patienthornsfan on Feb 16, 2006 1:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

More important than talent
The key to who wins the starting job, at least initially, will be who can best master the playbook. Even in a 'supporting' role, the QB has an incredible number of reads and options that must be correctly executed.
You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy. --Charles Manson

by Caradoc on Feb 16, 2006 3:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Switcheroo
I'm Peter's friend who said I thought Mack would switch between Snead and McCoy. I drew this conclusion after reader Eric put me in my place last weekend. So chalk this up to another reader-inspired post.

Both QBs are absolute rookies. Neither has ever taken a snap in college, and both will struggle next year and probably look bad at times.

I think Mack will look at them both all spring and during two-a-days, then start McCoy against North Texas becuase he'll have a small edge in experience.

Snead will play, and play well, against UNT, just like McCoy will. If either stands out as being way better, he'll start against Ohio State. My guess is they'll both look good and Mack will play McCoy with the understanding that Snead will play half the snaps.

Is this the best way to do things? Maybe not. But I think it's presumptuous to think either freshman will separate himself just off preseason drills.

And honestly, Snead was in high school in Fall 2005, so giving him the reigns scares me a little, no matter what the upside is. I refuse to believe McCoy was a throw-in last year, as Jumpman says, becuase "We're Texas" and we don't offer chumps scholarships. Sure, he was the backup option behind RP, but I'm sure he's still pretty good.

The QB's job next year is to hand off, make safe throws and not committ too many turnovers. I don't want one of these kids not getting to play becuase he might have had a bad fall practice. They're both rookies, so I think Mack should let them play and see what we've got. We won't know unless they both get a shot. Even if one guy is the clear-cut #1 from Aug. 1 he'll still be a rookie come Ohio State. I'f like to see them both play for the first month of the season and then have a starter emerge by the OU game.

I think winning the 2005 championship makes this much more possible. Mack's got a leash of unlimited length as far as I am concerned to do what he thinks is best for the team, and history shows that Mack likes to hedge his bets.

What if he does give Snead the keys to the car and then Snead gets hurt midway through the season and now McCoy has to play depsite not getting any snaps? Or vice versa?

Whatever happens, I just hope our fans don't bitch and second-guess Mack. Patience did pay off in 2005, and even if we don't repeat in 2006 this program is going to be dominant for years to come and Mack deserves free reign to do what he can to keep things this way.

by TR on Feb 16, 2006 7:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thank God
Seriously I thank God that the NCAA has not banned athletes from early enrollment. I mean if some people were in charge, Snead wouldn't have the chance to get some reps in Spring ball.

:)

I beat Wells in pool!!!

by AdamDC on Feb 17, 2006 9:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are crazy
He is missing his seinor year in High School.  All he is going to do at UT is hang out with the football team, get chicks that look 10 times better than any girl in highschool and be the guest of honor at any party on campus.
What is that compared to your seinor year.

by Wells on Feb 17, 2006 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pressure's On
OK, it's either on or off, but I think the pressure is still ON despite the NC and 10 year extension for Mack.  

The difference for McCoy and Snead is, it's a self-imposed pressure applied from the inside.

Last year, if you were VY, it was win the NC, go all out all the time or go down trying.

This year, if you are McCoy or Snead, yeah maybe you're not expected to win the NC, but you sure as hell don't want to come across as barely worthy to take over VY's spot on a NC-reloaded team.  You want to have a decent showing and try to shorten the gap between you and VY's shadow.  That's the pressure I think they'll put on themselves, and that's the pressure that Mack needs to help them overcome.

by grillerman on Feb 20, 2006 9:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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