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*As is sometimes the case, CFR gets it half right. He makes the correct point that elite programs must assume the risk of potential bad character guys during recruiting. No argument there. He then blows it by failing to mention the corollary to that: when the risky character guys do something shady, it's how you handle the problem that's important. The motivation, one infers, is to back-handedly defend USC. It falls short. There's nothing wrong with recruiting potential problem kids. There's something wrong with letting problems run amok in an environment of unaccountability. To think otherwise, I'm afraid, is grossly naïve. Try again, CFR.

*Cat and the Lady Horns took care of business in Austin to win their regional. It's on to the Super Regional to face Washington.

*Elsewhere on the diamond, the men's baseball team floundered against Missouri, getting swept over the weekend. They need to have a strong Big 12 tournament to ensure a Top 8 national seed, or the road to Omaha won't go through Austin.

*Mack Brown had knee surgery.

*Longhorn football players enjoyed graduation this weekend.

*Brady Quinn is the Heisman frontrunner! Someone should start a blog about this. That you can predict a Quinn-Adrian Peterson 1-2 finish in June tells us all we need to know. Unless and until the Heisman takes on Brian's form, it remains one big media hype.

*This week's diaries need to contain a quote from the 'Afternoon Delight' episode of "Arrested Development."

--PB--

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Heisman =
t.v. coverage.

Thats what it amounts to.

How strange is it that Bush wins the Heisman against a mediocre-to-crappy Fresno State team?
Why did that happen?
Because they played those damn highlight reels over and over until people were convinced Reggie's performance was equivalent to Moses parting the red sea.
Noboby bothered to ask, "hey, isn't Fresno State just some crappy mid-major team?"

The Heisman isn't about the most outstanding player. Its the best player on the team that everyone thinks is #1, which ends up getting 24/7 coverage by ESPN.

Walker, Texas Ranger -- C.D. Parker: And how are you doing, little partner? Lucas Simms: Walker told me I have AIDS.

by EYESofBEVO on May 22, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No one spoke up
When Nevada's Robert Hubbard, who hadn't run for 100 yards all season, exploded for 148 yards and 3 TDs versus Fresno State the following week.

Anyway, Vince got his revenge. Further, Reggie Bush was a worthy Heisman winner - he was electric. He wasn't Vince, but that's not his fault.

by Peter Bean on May 22, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CFR apparently agrees with you guys...
...and so he deleted his post.  here's the text:

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Gross Naivete

CFR May 22, 2006  -  Show original item

For the informed college football fan, there is no greater time to practice one's eye-rolling skills than the offseason.

With rare free time and the troublemaking opportunities it presents, college football players inevitably get into trouble.  When you combine that inevitability with a bored and sensational media and illogical braying of some blogger/fans, the eyes get to roll in delerious pleasure several times a week.

In a classic case of karmic retribution to the naive and those who spoke too soon, athletes at UCLA and Texas were busted for off-field transgressions in the last week or so.

Riddle me this:

A bunch of off-field nonsense happened to UCLA's football program under Bob Toledo.  Now, similar nonsense has happened under Karl Dorrell.  What's the connection?  Well, since there are two different coaches, we can narrow this down to being an institutional issue.  That's it, it's a UCLA problem.  Those rascal Bruins, always up to trouble!

At least, that's the logic some employ.

In reality, UCLA's no different from anybody else, but their fan base and coaches are simply less willing to absorb the public relations hit that comes with winning football.  The difference between them and say, Miami, USC and Ohio State is that UCLA has a glass jaw and folds when the punches start coming---firing winning coaches and complaining to no end about the next set of coaches while demanding they make angels out of their players.

That's fine, that's their choice as a program but it's one reason they're not a top 10 historical football program despite the university's tremendous resources.  Every recent shot at winning football has been met with off-field issues.  The sooner a program recruits guys that get tired of playing in these types of games (and these types of games), the sooner a program has happy fans.  But there's a cost.  That's the way the game works.

But I'm getting ahead of myself.

As I explained last week, these problems exist all over D-I college football, at every institution.

Is it any surprise that the majority of off-field news in the last eight years has dealt with players from Oklahoma, Miami, Florida State, USC, Ohio State, Tennessee and yes, Texas?

Notice a thread?  They've all won championships.  It's a not so dirty little secret that every elite team needs at least a handful (if not many more---see Ohio State) of kids who are rough around the edges but are great football players.

Vince Young's a good kid now, but he had a rough background and hasn't lived the most perfect life.  Think Texas wins last year's title without him or Ramonce Taylor?  Mack Brown knew what he was doing when he recruited both (and several other marginal characters) and assumed those risks.

Eric Wright and Winston Justice were guys who would need a lot of babysitting to keep on the straight-and-narrow.  That never happened, and they were a big headache for USC, but they contributed mightily to USC's football efforts in the last few years.  Pete Carroll knew what he was getting into when he recruited them (and many other questionable players).  He assumed the risks.

The bottom line is it's simply impossible to run a spotless program and win a national championship or ably contend for one.  Every team that's reached the game's greatest heights (or new heights for non-championship teams) has gotten there on the backs of a bunch of players who the program's fans would otherwise not let associate with their fine institutions.

Heck, earning a school's first 10-win season since 1998 meant playing knuckleheads like Maurice Drew, John Hale and Jess Ward, and Justin Medlock.

Is it any surprise, for example, that Georgia Tech's last 10-win season piggybacked various transgressions that put the team on probation?  The Yellowjackets have just seven seasons of 10 or more wins in their history (and just three since 1956).  Playing to the level of an elite team takes either a few miracles or mixing in players who are going to have classroom and/or off-field issues.

Say what you want about Mack Brown or Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops or Jim Tressel, but they're all shrewd, shrewd coaches, and know what it takes to reach the heights they've reached.  It's not pretty but then, they're not interested in being second-rate coaches and assume the consequences of getting where they've gotten.

I don't intend to excuse poor behavior in writing this, but it's up to the rest of us to recognize certain realities and get over our hangups about what's happening each and every year with this great sport that we follow.

It's up to each individual program to do its best to discourage poor conduct and punish it faithfully, but they're not going to stop recruiting the best football players---thus taking a flier on whatever potential transgressions they'll commit while at school.  Not when coach salaries are in the millions of dollars.  Not when the available talent isn't through natural selection out of a school's student body but through recruiting.  Not when ego is at play and the mood of a booster can determine the fate of a coach.

And even then, it's not always enough.  Not when high character guys (April 27 entry) get tagged for things nobody would have expected.

Even mighty Notre Dame isn't immune.  The last time they had a contender was 1993.  Remember the little brouhaha about players from that team that came to light?  Or how about the coach during Northwestern's miracle run in 1996?  One Gary Barnett.  Think there's a little more to his stay at Northwestern than what's been revealed to the press?  His downfall was at Colorado but he found the winning formula in Evanston.

These things come with the territory.  The bloodshed spilled all over the message boards, air waves and blog sites is thus frivolous (for the most part).  We're all guilty.  I just want to see great football, personally.

...bleeding burnt orange in nyc since 2002

by cwofford on May 22, 2006 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is
There are some really good points in there. I absolutely agree that it's fruitless to clamor impossibly for perfect student athletes AND win championships. The problem, though, is that you can't fail to hold the kids accountable when they screw up. Pete Carroll got too loosey-goosey and USC is suffering a bit right now for it.

by Peter Bean on May 22, 2006 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo
We are not going to waste our space commenting on this back handed attempt to excuse Chetey Petey's lack of inst. control. HF took care of it in his two lines.

by Nestor16 on May 22, 2006 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're dead on PB
There are some good points in the CFR post.  I also think its pointless to demand perfection on and off the field. It's just not realistic.

The guys at BN scream about it all the time but have nothing to show for it, especially with some of the problems that have come to light over there. I'm sure a lot of it is beacuse they have high expectations and KD hasn't come through. Nestor has always been on the right side of the character issue to me, he's hammered his own when they get out of line, but now with their own problems he should tone down the "cheaty-petey" rhetoric until their house is clean. BTW outside of the Bush situation and its possible ramifications can anyone tell me where Pete Carroll has cheated. Jarrett's situation is a non issue also.

I've been pretty consistent about how character matters regardless of the program. But as long as there is big money attached to winning character will always finish second. The stakes are just too high.

Fight On!

by Paragon SC on May 22, 2006 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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