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Starting CB Brown Arrested (But Not Necessarily Guilty) On Gun, Dope Charges

Update [2006-9-4 22:49:6 by HornsFan]: Brown and Gatewood out for Saturday. See story for details.

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Why couldn't he wait until after the tOSU game to get arrested? Is there any chance he still plays?

by ImBobbo on Sep 4, 2006 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mack's Press Conference
I caught only the last few questions this morning on News 8 Austin. None of the reporters asked about Brown. Mack seemed calm, happy, and certainly not agitated. I believe the story broke, according to the posted time on the Statesman, after his press conference concluded. Better for Mack that he didn't get blindsided during the Q and A.

Not a good start to the biggest football week in Austin in my lifetime.

--AW--

by awiggo on Sep 4, 2006 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way in hell
he plays, that is.  This absolutely sucks.  Mack won't play him, and he shouldn't.  That will be the story of the week.  Colt should thank his teammate for taking the media burden off his shoulders.  Regardless of whether he is charged or tried, he must've made a series of dumb decisions.  Wrong place, wrong time, wrong upcoming opponent.

by Kool Hand on Sep 4, 2006 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dammit...
The University of Miami has this nickname they were looking to sell us for cheap.  Come on Tarrell!!  Why does this crap keep happening!!

by bendj on Sep 4, 2006 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh geez..
"He and Harris were both charged with Class B misdemeanors of possession of 2 ounces or less of marijuana."

TWO OUNCES?  Are you kidding me?  Kid's got weed for pocket lint and likes to play with guns.  Sure it was a bonehead thing to do, but if you've got a used pipe in your pocket and are holding your friend's gun, you've more or less pulled a Tarrell Brown. This isn't my way of excusing him or saying Mack should just ignore this and let him play - but come on, it's not like he's Ramonce Taylor.

Still, our athletes and all big-time athletes know that they're walking around with a big target on their backs and they can't be pulling the hijinks that normal college kids pull.

by trot on Sep 4, 2006 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I bet he plays anyways
Brown is the Horn's best cover corner, by far. He would have been on Ginn w/ Griffin in nickel.

Ryan Palmer gets the assignment on Ginn if Brown is a no go.

I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety

by EYESofBEVO on Sep 4, 2006 1:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
Maybe the pundits can start heaving the Miami analogies off USC and onto Mack Brown's program now...
USC UTHSCSA

by txmed on Sep 4, 2006 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really, Really Stupid Move
)(&)$&%^&%^#$(^%(^!!!!!  AARRRGGGHHHH!

Ok, remain calm.  Only the biggest game since... last year's Rose Bowl, no worries.

:(

dangit, and the Fulmer Cup scoring closed wednesday, too; never would have caught marshall tho

by littlerearl on Sep 4, 2006 2:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Todd Blythe would be happy
...if we threw it his way more than 6 times a game. Where was Brown as far as CB? #1 or #2?

by CrossCyed on Sep 4, 2006 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

UPDATE
Brown was released and Harris is still waiting for an apprearance.

This sounds like Harris will be taking a fall.

Either way, Mack can't let him play and will have to suspend him.

I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety

by EYESofBEVO on Sep 4, 2006 2:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?
Some of the comments above are just ignorant.  Handguns are used at that hour for one thing: to shoot bullets at people.  And anyone that is thinking self-defense: If you are a college athlete and you believe you are going to be going somewhere where you think you might be put in a position where you will need to defend yourself with a gun, DON'T GO.  This isn't Beirut.  This kid has options and he's in Austin.  

I am all for gun rights.  For defending of your home and for hunting. Carrying a gun for this sort of situation is not what the constitution is meant to protect.

Bottomline, I don't see how Mack will have any choice but to ask this kid if he had a gun and weed and if he says yes he will immediately have to kick him off the team.  Forever.   I cannot conceive of any mitigating circumstances that would make it acceptable for him to continue any association where the University is sponsoring him.

 

by cdp183 on Sep 4, 2006 3:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally Agree!!!
F'N IDIOT. Let me say that again, F'N IDIOT!!!!!

by AdamDC on Sep 4, 2006 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like the MJ is all on Aaron Harris
from the affadavit:

"Deputy P. Delafunte' then arrived and had Harris perform field sobriety tests. Harris passed these tests but told Deputy Delafunte' that he had been smoking marijuana. I thenasked Harris if there was any marijuana in the vehicle. Harris replied that there was "some". I asked Harris to sit in the rear of my vehicle as we made contact with passengers of the vehicle. Deputies Villanueva #1037, Delafunte' and I approached the vehicle.
As Deputy Villanueva looked into the car he stated that the rear passenger had a handgun in his lap with his hand on it. I then instructed everyone to return to our vehicle as we called for more officers. Sgt. Strawn and Lt Escribano then arrived on the scene.  We then went back up and made contact with the passengers. We first woke up and detained the rear seat passenger identified as:
Brown, Tarell 1-6-85
After detaining Brown Sgt. Strawn informed me that gun in Brown's lap was loaded 9mm handgun. I also detained the front seat passenger identified as:
Gatewood, Tyrell 09-27-84
Deputy Villanueva then conducted a search of the vehicle. Deputy Villanueva located a marijuana "blunt" cigar under the front seat of the vehicle. I observed the "blunt" and through my training and 7 years of experience believed it to be marijuana. The "blunt" weighed approximately 1.1 grams. Based on the fact the marijuana was in a common area of the vehicle and accessible to all occupants I then placed Harris, Brown and Gatewood in custody for Possession of Marijuana less than 2oz.. Brown was also charged with Unlawfully carrying a weapon. During a subsequent search of Harris' person Travis County Booking personnel located an additional .7 grams of marijuana in his front pocket."

by the other Andrew on Sep 4, 2006 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MJ
Mary Jane... Marijuana.

Is there anymore to that affidavit? I just don't understand how Brown slept through Harris' field sobriety test with a gun on his lap.

by ImBobbo on Sep 4, 2006 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Free and Clear, probably
Call it spin, call it the truth. Looks more like TB was hanging with the wrong crowd. Given the way things are framed and assuming a negative drug test, I cant imagine a severe punishment. Guess we'll see what the team thinks.

Details emerge on Longhorns' arrest
By Suzanne Halliburton | Monday, September 4, 2006, 03:39 PM

Austin lawyer Jamie Balagia is representing both Tarell Brown and Tyrell Gatewood, the Longhorn football players who were arrested early Monday with ex-Texas player Aaron Harris on drugs and weapons charges.

He told the American-Statesman Monday that both his clients were drug tested -- at their request -- to prove that the marijuana that led to their arrest was not theirs.

"All in all, it was a weird set of circumstances," Balagia said. "When the facts come out, this will be resolved pretty quickly."

According to the arrest affidavit, Brown was arrested after deputies pulled over Harris in a traffic stop on Interstate 35 North just before 3 a.m. Brown was asleep in the back seat. Deputies saw a gun in his lap, and banged on the windows of the car to wake him. Balagia said the weapon was a "recreational gun" Gatewood had purchased two weeks ago for target practice. The report said it was a loaded 9 mm handgun. Balagia said that Brown had found the gun on the floorboard of the backseat and picked it up.

Texas Coach Mack Brown released a statement Monday.

"We are aware of the situation with Tarell (Brown) and Tyrell (Gatewood) and have met with both of them," Brown said. "We're working closely with the young men and the authorities. At this time, we are holding them out of all team functions as we gather as much information as possible before making a team decision."

Tarell Brown and Gatewood were released from Travis County Jail about noon today, seven hours after they were arrested. They were released on a personal bond. Harris was released around 4 p.m., according to Balagia.

by HorseyTruck on Sep 4, 2006 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think TB gets off
if it turns out not to be his gun and the drug test is not positive, he will be ok.

Even though, his chances of playing on Saturday are pretty low.

The handgun in the lap is pretty stupid, but other than that, everyone has gotten in the wrong car with friends.

The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 4, 2006 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW
Are you kidding me? A negative drug test? To think this Tarrel Brown was asleep, and not stoned out of his mind is bullcrap. If Mack Brown wants to keep his rep straight, then he should kick Brown off the team and maintain his "squeaky clean program." If Mack doesn't kick him off the team, or even worse let him play against Ohio State, then Texas becomes Miami of the South. Maybe USC isn't so bad after all...damn.

by joey on Sep 4, 2006 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey!
don't drag us into this, there was no free rent involved.

"If there's no trace of a hit, you must acquit!"

by DC Trojan on Sep 4, 2006 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glass Houses Joey
Until I hear you call for a full inquiry into Reggie Bush's free house or why a guy on USC can kick the crap out of somebody, blame it on deaths in the family and get off, I don't want to hear it.
Being in a car with someone who is smoking and picking up a gun because it is sliding around your feet does not equal free house.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joey, We missed you
After "The Greatest College Football Team Ever" was handed a loss by the "One Man Show".  Did you get lost?
I'm a BON'er. You got a problem with that?!

by GoHorns on Sep 5, 2006 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable
Innocent until proven guity. I will personally wait this one out until we know something for certain. I suggest the rest of you do the same. Have some pride.
"It's so beautiful," "Don't you think that's beautiful? That crystal's so beautiful. It's coming home all the way to Austin, Texas."

by 2Bearnest on Sep 4, 2006 6:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
due process...let's make judgements when all facts have come to light.

it sucks for the team, esp. the defense, but we will still win on Saturday.

Proud to be a BONer

by burntorangenance on Sep 4, 2006 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Squeky clean
2Bearnest is right. That is our legal system. Were are not lawyers, judges, or jurors in the case. Dont even have all the facts. People shouldn't be calling for blood just yet.

by HorseyTruck on Sep 4, 2006 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

over reaction
although i don't think Brown's decisions were wise, i don't think he deserves the stupidity poster - at least not on this blog.  it isn't illegal to own a handgun, and under Texas law you do have to have a permit to carry one, unless you are "traveling".  Texas courts have interpreted traveling as moving your residence, but that could change. also being in a car that has pot in it, is about as victimless as crimes get.
Crystal Balls

by MMHorns on Sep 4, 2006 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

owning a handgun?
Owning it or carrying it...he was cuddled with it in the back of a car while sleeping. And what does he need a gun for...Ze Germans??

by joey on Sep 4, 2006 11:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent
use of that quote
...til Gabriel blows his horn

by BigTexBD on Sep 5, 2006 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know....
....they could have been at schlitterbahn??? That would explain a lot. The fear of Germans, being all tuckered out and not waking up when the POPO pulled them over. :)

by AdamDC on Sep 5, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TB arrest
At least no Aggies in a cornfield were involved this time.

by ClassofEarl on Sep 4, 2006 11:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no schadenfreude here...
us Buckeye fans know this feeling all too well - we had it for our game w/ y'all last year, in fact. I won't say we'd have won - only a moron would pick against Vince Young last year, especially w/ hindsight - but that game most likely would have gone much differently had Troy Smith started, seeing as how we're a different team w/ him instead of Zwick who sucks.

Brown has to be suspended for at least a game or two; unless the police report is completely inaccurate, he was clearly illegally possessing a handgun - all "(w)hen the facts come out" blather from his shyster notwithstanding. That sucks for you, but oh well...

Good luck, 'Horns.

by matsut on Sep 5, 2006 4:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Troy Smith
I love how OSU fans are still crying about last year's game. How many times have I heard "If Troy smith started we would have won". Anyone who's ever said this should watch the game again. If the recievers (excluding the long pass to Holmes) had helped Zwick, by catching some balls, OSU might have won. Had Hamby caught his, he'd (Zwick) be a hero. Dropped passes and conservative play calling cost OSU the game.

Smith was still developing at the same time last year.....don't believe me......watch the Penn State game again!

by HorseyTruck on Sep 5, 2006 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this, if that
Yeah, had Troy Smith started, it would've gone much differently.

You know what else, if Vince Young hadn't thrown two picks, it would've gone much differently.  If all those first half drives led by Troy Smith hadn't fizzled into field goals, it would've gone much differently.  If Troy Smith had anticipated the delayed blitz by Aaron "Bluntgun" Harris and avoided the safety, it would've gone much differently.

by Kool Hand on Sep 5, 2006 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear HorseyTruck & Kool Hand:
Listen, you dicknoses, didn't you read the part where I said I WASN'T saying we'd have won? I'm not still crying; I wasn't crying then.

The point is that we'll ("we" meaning Buckeye fans) never know - if Smith had played in the '04 bowl game, AND gotten the snaps in spring/fall practice as the undisputed #1 qb, AND played in the week 1 game, the UT game MIGHT have gone much differently for us...

And the point as it applies to the 'Horns is that if/when Ted Ginn torches you for a few touchdown catches, you'll never know if it MIGHT have been different if your oh-so-stupid starting CB would have been playing.

by matsut on Sep 5, 2006 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And.... CUT!
Let's keep it nice, folks. That goes for all involved. Plenty of time to talk trash, but let's not get out of hand.

We're excited to welcome the Buckeye nation to Austin. And we're going to show you a great party.

We'll show you a loss, but we'll do it with class!

by Peter Bean on Sep 5, 2006 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry (not really)
"dicknose" is not really that bad, is it? Definitely PG-rated, in my book - but regardless, I'll stand by what I said.

by matsut on Sep 5, 2006 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in Columbus
But in the rest of the world, we'd rather not let our kids under the age of 13 hear that kind of language.  So PG?  No.  Maybe PG-13.

by GoHorns on Sep 6, 2006 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully dropped today.....
Sources close to the investigation say the car belonged to Gatewood and the pistol also belonged to Gatewood, but they also say the pistol was registered. Since Texas
allows handguns if they are registered, there would appear to be a very good chance that charge will be dropped. The sources also say the marijuana cigarette was found in Harris'
pocket, no one in the district attorney's office will want to press the marijuana charges
against Brown and Gatewood, so those charges likely will be dismissed against the two football players. The question is when they will be dismissed. We'll see if this is true.

NEWBS

by joenewby4040 on Sep 5, 2006 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what are the chances they play?
even if the charges are dropped and dismissed, isn't mack still in a position to take disciplinary action against the players?

is a suspension still possible even if they are legally cleared?

mack always wants to set good examples for his players, so it seems like even if the charges go away it would be unlikely to see these guys play on saturday (or is that obvious?)

by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If charges are dropped
They're still guilty of poor judgement, so I'm guessing they get to watch this one from the sidelines.

by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Dibbles and co.
play after getting pulled over for the same reason 3 years ago?

I can't remember.

I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety

by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question
Did that happen during the off season though?

by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UPDATE
per statesman and their lawyer:
"Brown did not intend to break the gun law. Gatewood did not intend to leave the gun in the car. Neither of them smoked marijuana. They both took drug test for school after I got them out of jail. Test results in a few days. Both should play Saturday do to lack of criminal intent, honesty and cooperation. "

-- I see no reason why they can't play other than not having been in team meetings. I'm not a big gun myself, but I have several friends that went target shooting out near Hamilton's Pool and were just as reckless carrying them around. I'm talking like you'd get in their truck and shells would be rolling around in the cab, gun cases open and rifles wrapped in their dirty laundry piles.
I mean, this is Texas after all.

I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety

by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully
He will play but not start.

Does that seem like a punishment to anyone? Not that I am saying he needs to be severly punished. I honestly think that if what was said here is the truth, then this was a case of wrong place wrong time.

by AdamDC on Sep 5, 2006 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not really
that is like saying JC doesn't start. i don't think keeping him off the starting line up will evoke the response coach wants.

don't get me wrong, i want them to play, but i just don't see it happening.

by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only ...
Not only are we and the media monitoring Mack's decision, but every top recruit and high school coach who has influence over these recruits is watching the situation as well.

Mack better make the right decision on this. My guess is suspend him a couple games for the very poor judgement. It's not like Tarrell Brown fell asleep and THEN grabbed a pistol and put it in his lap.

With Ramonce getting busted, Benson knocking down doors a couple years ago and now this, Mack better put a halt to everything before the school really does take on the same images as Miami, etc. And what high school coach would advise sending their top athlete to a place like that?

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 5, 2006 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhmm
"And what high school coach would advise sending their top athlete to a place like that?"

It isn't their choice and most HS coaches should be happy for kids who get D1 schollies.
Parents would be the only problem and unless they are sending their kids to BYU I doubt the school is entirely squeeky clean.

I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety

by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a pistol was rolling around below your feet
you would rather not pick it up? I know I would get it. Loaded weapons are not safe period, but definatly not sliding along the bottom of a car. I don't understand what the big deal is.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont
know how this will be handled but it should be interesting.  As for the comments about "everyone gets in the wrong car w/ the wrong friends", I can't see how you can say that.  Out of all the people on this thread, can I get a head count of people getting pulled over w/ a hand on your gun,with weed in the car at 3 am?  

by bhors on Sep 5, 2006 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think the point
is that it happens all the time, but people just don't get caught.  maybe excluding the gun.

the difference is that no one on this thread is a highly touted athlete at UT who should know not to put anything with legal implications on their lap, unless it is a 18 year old coed.

so you can count me as 'Y'

by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was in college
I was arrested for Grand Theft Auto. So that probably makes me a yes. The charges were later reduced and I have no criminal record, but still bad judgment on my part.

by billb on Sep 5, 2006 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

James
You also leave a gun sliding around on the floor of a car?
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never been pulled over
but I am sure I have been in a car with those things in it plenty of times, even at the late hour of 3 am. You are telling me that, if you were TB and you were with your friends, if they pulled out a blunt, you would demand they pull over and leave you on the side of I35? I think the risk reword of walking home on I35 is far less just riding it out.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Jimmer, which was more of the point I was looking at.  Yes it happens, but if you are A premier player on the top team, would you how many questionable positions would you put yourself in?  whether or not he was sleeping or holding on to the gun so it wouldn't slide around, would you get in the car with your friends who were smokin weed that could even lead to your name being in the papers?  I would hope not, but i know college kids do it all the time (granted I just graduated, got drunk all the time, but never put myself into a situation like that at all, and I was far from a standout on the football team, or classroom for that matter)

by bhors on Sep 5, 2006 12:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You never put yourself into a situation like this?
Every time you were at a party and someone had some illegal substances you just left right?

As for the gun, I am sure if you got drunk all the time at UT you went to people's houses that had guns and probably at the same time someone was smoking pot.

Get off your high horse my friend.

The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear ethics cops,
Give me a break. Love how many of you either dont have a grasp on the facts or are selectivly framing them to suit your arguments.

This is not a pious pissing contest. No one cares how good YOU were. The fact remains that people get into bad situations. If we held everyone to such high standards (as these atheletes) the nation would be without doctors, teachers, or governement. Most of whom have been less than perfect.

As far as recruits go? Do you think those kids and families live in a social vacuum? No one in their hometown gets into trouble on occasion? Ridiculous to worry about such things. No one will even remember these events by the end of the season. Besides, name me a top division 1A schooll who hasn't bumped a kid from the roster or school in the last 10 years. FSU, OSU, USC, Miami, etc. last time I checked they were still getting top-level recruits.

by HorseyTruck on Sep 5, 2006 12:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If it was just the Marijuana
then your point would be well received. As this was not the case, I have to disagree with much of your comment.

"No one cares how good YOU were."

And no one cares how good any of us are at football, which is why the people in question are held to a different standard. Are you really offended by this? Is College Football a right bestowed on all talented persons regardless of their behavior, or is it (in fact) a privaledge bestowed upon talented individuals by a governing organization that can be taken away when the players violate stated rules? Are individual programs, or coaches, helpless to police their own football players because you think (allegedly)having a gun in your lap at 3 AM is normal behavior?

"If we held everyone to such high standards (as these atheletes) the nation would be without doctors, teachers, or governement. Most of whom have been less than perfect."

Uhm, no one is saying throw the book at these kids. The punishment most often quoted is a couple game suspensions. If this ruins their football or professional careers, than that's a shame. One night of bad judgment that led to no injuries is not sufficient to ruin a kid's life... but being able to play in a football game isn't necessary for a happy and successful future either.

As for the differing "standards", the state has none. Marijuana use is illegal. We may not think that's fair, but at least it's punished across professional career paths. A doctor smoking weed is and should be as culpable as a very good football player. Having separate legal standards would be immoral.

Yet organizations can self police as well and the NCAA happens to agree with the state regarding marijuana use and/or gun posession. That's their call.

But I agree, this will not affect the UT recruiting program at all should UT have a successful season on the field. Marijuana use isn't going to scare anyone away from a big-time D1 scholarship, though the presence of a gun will raise a few more eyebrows.

Innocent until proven guilty means just that and I think the official stance of BON is perfectly stated. Up until that moment when a jury or a judge says so, this kid is innocent of everything alleged. Whatever decision Mack Brown makes will be more informed than any judgment I can render from my keyboard.

by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the gun was not registered to Gatewood,
then your point is well taken.  Seems we agree on most everything else.

My real problem is with what can be construed as racial biggotry (perhaps unintentional, and not by you, of course). Just because a black man has a gun doesn't mean he is a thug, gansta, or is "shooting at people" (In fact, why would you register a gun if you wished to use it with ill-intent.)

If they are pulled over with a loaded, but registered, gun in the car-they probably get off with a warning. If they are pulled over and AH has a joint on his person. They all go to jail, but TB and TG are let free uncharged after the test. The presence of both, in an unrelated fashion, makes for a truly bad situation. Drugs, Guns, and black atheletes in a car has a synergisitc effect. Makes a flashy story...that most people will eat up and use to make judgements without assigning individual responsibility. They are not all equally guilty of wrong-doing. For TB, negative test, registered gun = very little cause for suspension. Its about drug use and criminal intent....neither seem apparent from the reports.

by HorseyTruck on Sep 5, 2006 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good response.
There are still some aspects that raise questions. Who is asleep while their (incidentally) stoned friend is pulled over and summarily given a field sobriety test? There's nothing criminal about being a profoundly deep sleeper... but it's still a bit odd.

Again this all relies on facts that are not as of now verified in a court of law, but it's unlikely that a sleeping guy picks up a loaded gun. A few kids smoking weed at 3AM is of interest to the NCAA and Mack Brown, but not to me. You throw a gun in there, even registered, and I can't help but raise some serious questions.

Whether right or not, I think the NCAA and Mack Brown do not have the luxury of assuming the best. Guilt by association is guilt nonetheless in the scrutinizing eyes of College Football Coaches and the NCAA, and someone is guilty of something here. The NCAA holds itself to different (higher) standards than society at large.

by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh, I should clarify
Having made it clear earlier that I'm a big fan of our judicial system's "Innocent until proven guilty" it must look mighty strange that I've proclaimed some guilt without judicial facts.

I should say that someone is guilty of something here by a Coach/NCAA standards. While a particular individual is innocent until a jury says they are not, a player is innocent until a coach/NCAA says they are not.

I have a feeling that the NCAA does not want to encourage its participants to be around marijuana and guns and police officers at 3 AM. Even while asleep.

by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your assumption is that he grabbed the gun
while he is asleep. The idea is he picks up the gun, then falls asleep, next thing he knows there are police officers arresting him.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course
but the implications of having a loaded gun registered to someone else in your hand because you were asleep are different than putting a loaded hand gun in your hand while your friends smoke weed in the car at 3 AM and then falling into such a deep lulliby that you sleep through an arrest.

The former is bizarre, and clearly did not happen (though it would make this young man entirely innocent). The latter is approaching suspicious behavior, though there are a number of facts that I am not privy to that will ultimately speak for themselves.

And coaches have more stringent standards for their players than the state does.

by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Explain
Could somebody please explain to me how you can get pulled over by a cop and NOT wake up?

by whoopspat on Sep 5, 2006 2:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could do it
ask my wife. I could sleep through a nuclear bomb.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?
a nuclear bomb i could see, but what about loud sirens and your buddy in the front seat yelling at you to 'wake the f*** up and act cool for the pig'.  i think he was faking sleep.

i know, why would he leave the gun on his lap. people do weird shit under stress.

by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could do it
and I think he did. Not because he said it but because the cop belived it as well. I bet AH thought he could handle it and did not wake up the other players.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are y'all serious
That fool was playing dead. I tended to do this when I would steal something from my brother and not want to get my ass beat. Pretend dead/asleep and you can deny, deny, deny.

NEWBS

by joenewby4040 on Sep 5, 2006 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok you play dead
but why keep the gun in your lap, at least put in on the seat beside you.
The Former Harbinger of Deleted Diaries

by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I play dead when the wife starts talking
and I can sleep right through her book club parties.

Police don't always, in fact rarely, put on sirens. I've been asleep on road trips and friends have stopped, eaten a meal, played music, etc. All this without me waking up.

The theory that he was asleep is pretty sound if you ask me.

Harris needs to go get a life and stop weezing on someone else's gig.
Time to stop hanging out with kids.

I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety

by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seond hand
smoke
Proud to be a BONer

by burntorangenance on Sep 5, 2006 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paging Dr. Nick Riviera
I'm not sure what/if any implications this has for his pending drug test.

by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there were no sirens
just lights.

But I'm not sure why Aaron Harris didnt freak out and wake everyone up when he got pulled over.

by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy
You're a UT football player and want to do anything possible to look the least bit guilty. So you fake being asleep. I'm not saying anything about guilt here...from the looks of it, it doesn't seem like TB was guilty of much, if anything...just saying that it is highly unlikely someone could sleep through the lights and comotion.

by roywilliamsisgod on Sep 5, 2006 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

guns in the car
when i was in college, we used to drive around listening to the bone/2pac song "thug love" and would fire my 9mm out of the sunroof of my volvo at the appropriate parts in the song.

we were way out south of town.  still really dumb but really, really fun and the type of shit some people do when they're dumb and in college.

i say bench him a game, but i don't think these guys are criminals or anything.

by Vice President Coco on Sep 5, 2006 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you really did that out of a Volvo,
that's so awesome.

Did you hold your 9 sideways?

by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i probably agree
about benching him for a game, though i'm really grasping for possible reasons we can not bench him at all.  why didn't he have cedric benson's good sense to do this the week of the freaking baylor game?

by billyzane on Sep 5, 2006 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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