Starting CB Brown Arrested (But Not Necessarily Guilty) On Gun, Dope Charges
Update [2006-9-4 22:49:6 by HornsFan]: Brown and Gatewood out for Saturday. See story for details.
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Damn
by ImBobbo on Sep 4, 2006 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mack's Press Conference
Not a good start to the biggest football week in Austin in my lifetime.
--AW--
by awiggo on Sep 4, 2006 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way in hell
by Kool Hand on Sep 4, 2006 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dammit...
by bendj on Sep 4, 2006 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh geez..
TWO OUNCES? Are you kidding me? Kid's got weed for pocket lint and likes to play with guns. Sure it was a bonehead thing to do, but if you've got a used pipe in your pocket and are holding your friend's gun, you've more or less pulled a Tarrell Brown. This isn't my way of excusing him or saying Mack should just ignore this and let him play - but come on, it's not like he's Ramonce Taylor.
Still, our athletes and all big-time athletes know that they're walking around with a big target on their backs and they can't be pulling the hijinks that normal college kids pull.
by trot on Sep 4, 2006 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet he plays anyways
Ryan Palmer gets the assignment on Ginn if Brown is a no go.
by EYESofBEVO on Sep 4, 2006 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
by txmed on Sep 4, 2006 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really, Really Stupid Move
Ok, remain calm. Only the biggest game since... last year's Rose Bowl, no worries.
:(
dangit, and the Fulmer Cup scoring closed wednesday, too; never would have caught marshall tho
by littlerearl on Sep 4, 2006 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Todd Blythe would be happy
by CrossCyed on Sep 4, 2006 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE
This sounds like Harris will be taking a fall.
Either way, Mack can't let him play and will have to suspend him.
by EYESofBEVO on Sep 4, 2006 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
I am all for gun rights. For defending of your home and for hunting. Carrying a gun for this sort of situation is not what the constitution is meant to protect.
Bottomline, I don't see how Mack will have any choice but to ask this kid if he had a gun and weed and if he says yes he will immediately have to kick him off the team. Forever. I cannot conceive of any mitigating circumstances that would make it acceptable for him to continue any association where the University is sponsoring him.
by cdp183 on Sep 4, 2006 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree!!!
by AdamDC on Sep 4, 2006 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like the MJ is all on Aaron Harris
"Deputy P. Delafunte' then arrived and had Harris perform field sobriety tests. Harris passed these tests but told Deputy Delafunte' that he had been smoking marijuana. I thenasked Harris if there was any marijuana in the vehicle. Harris replied that there was "some". I asked Harris to sit in the rear of my vehicle as we made contact with passengers of the vehicle. Deputies Villanueva #1037, Delafunte' and I approached the vehicle.
As Deputy Villanueva looked into the car he stated that the rear passenger had a handgun in his lap with his hand on it. I then instructed everyone to return to our vehicle as we called for more officers. Sgt. Strawn and Lt Escribano then arrived on the scene. We then went back up and made contact with the passengers. We first woke up and detained the rear seat passenger identified as:
Brown, Tarell 1-6-85
After detaining Brown Sgt. Strawn informed me that gun in Brown's lap was loaded 9mm handgun. I also detained the front seat passenger identified as:
Gatewood, Tyrell 09-27-84
Deputy Villanueva then conducted a search of the vehicle. Deputy Villanueva located a marijuana "blunt" cigar under the front seat of the vehicle. I observed the "blunt" and through my training and 7 years of experience believed it to be marijuana. The "blunt" weighed approximately 1.1 grams. Based on the fact the marijuana was in a common area of the vehicle and accessible to all occupants I then placed Harris, Brown and Gatewood in custody for Possession of Marijuana less than 2oz.. Brown was also charged with Unlawfully carrying a weapon. During a subsequent search of Harris' person Travis County Booking personnel located an additional .7 grams of marijuana in his front pocket."
by the other Andrew on Sep 4, 2006 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MJ
Is there anymore to that affidavit? I just don't understand how Brown slept through Harris' field sobriety test with a gun on his lap.
by ImBobbo on Sep 4, 2006 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Free and Clear, probably
Details emerge on Longhorns' arrest
By Suzanne Halliburton | Monday, September 4, 2006, 03:39 PM
Austin lawyer Jamie Balagia is representing both Tarell Brown and Tyrell Gatewood, the Longhorn football players who were arrested early Monday with ex-Texas player Aaron Harris on drugs and weapons charges.
He told the American-Statesman Monday that both his clients were drug tested -- at their request -- to prove that the marijuana that led to their arrest was not theirs.
"All in all, it was a weird set of circumstances," Balagia said. "When the facts come out, this will be resolved pretty quickly."
According to the arrest affidavit, Brown was arrested after deputies pulled over Harris in a traffic stop on Interstate 35 North just before 3 a.m. Brown was asleep in the back seat. Deputies saw a gun in his lap, and banged on the windows of the car to wake him. Balagia said the weapon was a "recreational gun" Gatewood had purchased two weeks ago for target practice. The report said it was a loaded 9 mm handgun. Balagia said that Brown had found the gun on the floorboard of the backseat and picked it up.
Texas Coach Mack Brown released a statement Monday.
"We are aware of the situation with Tarell (Brown) and Tyrell (Gatewood) and have met with both of them," Brown said. "We're working closely with the young men and the authorities. At this time, we are holding them out of all team functions as we gather as much information as possible before making a team decision."
Tarell Brown and Gatewood were released from Travis County Jail about noon today, seven hours after they were arrested. They were released on a personal bond. Harris was released around 4 p.m., according to Balagia.
by HorseyTruck on Sep 4, 2006 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think TB gets off
Even though, his chances of playing on Saturday are pretty low.
The handgun in the lap is pretty stupid, but other than that, everyone has gotten in the wrong car with friends.
by Wells on Sep 4, 2006 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
by joey on Sep 4, 2006 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Glass Houses Joey
Being in a car with someone who is smoking and picking up a gun because it is sliding around your feet does not equal free house.
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey, We missed you
by GoHorns on Sep 5, 2006 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable
by 2Bearnest on Sep 4, 2006 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
it sucks for the team, esp. the defense, but we will still win on Saturday.
by burntorangenance on Sep 4, 2006 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Squeky clean
by HorseyTruck on Sep 4, 2006 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
over reaction
by MMHorns on Sep 4, 2006 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
owning a handgun?
by joey on Sep 4, 2006 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know....
by AdamDC on Sep 5, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TB arrest
by ClassofEarl on Sep 4, 2006 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no schadenfreude here...
Brown has to be suspended for at least a game or two; unless the police report is completely inaccurate, he was clearly illegally possessing a handgun - all "(w)hen the facts come out" blather from his shyster notwithstanding. That sucks for you, but oh well...
Good luck, 'Horns.
by matsut on Sep 5, 2006 4:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Troy Smith
Smith was still developing at the same time last year.....don't believe me......watch the Penn State game again!
by HorseyTruck on Sep 5, 2006 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this, if that
You know what else, if Vince Young hadn't thrown two picks, it would've gone much differently. If all those first half drives led by Troy Smith hadn't fizzled into field goals, it would've gone much differently. If Troy Smith had anticipated the delayed blitz by Aaron "Bluntgun" Harris and avoided the safety, it would've gone much differently.
by Kool Hand on Sep 5, 2006 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear HorseyTruck & Kool Hand:
The point is that we'll ("we" meaning Buckeye fans) never know - if Smith had played in the '04 bowl game, AND gotten the snaps in spring/fall practice as the undisputed #1 qb, AND played in the week 1 game, the UT game MIGHT have gone much differently for us...
And the point as it applies to the 'Horns is that if/when Ted Ginn torches you for a few touchdown catches, you'll never know if it MIGHT have been different if your oh-so-stupid starting CB would have been playing.
by matsut on Sep 5, 2006 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And.... CUT!
We're excited to welcome the Buckeye nation to Austin. And we're going to show you a great party.
We'll show you a loss, but we'll do it with class!
by Peter Bean on Sep 5, 2006 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry (not really)
by matsut on Sep 5, 2006 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in Columbus
by GoHorns on Sep 6, 2006 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully dropped today.....
allows handguns if they are registered, there would appear to be a very good chance that charge will be dropped. The sources also say the marijuana cigarette was found in Harris'
pocket, no one in the district attorney's office will want to press the marijuana charges
against Brown and Gatewood, so those charges likely will be dismissed against the two football players. The question is when they will be dismissed. We'll see if this is true.
NEWBS
by joenewby4040 on Sep 5, 2006 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what are the chances they play?
is a suspension still possible even if they are legally cleared?
mack always wants to set good examples for his players, so it seems like even if the charges go away it would be unlikely to see these guys play on saturday (or is that obvious?)
by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If charges are dropped
by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Dibbles and co.
I can't remember.
by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE
"Brown did not intend to break the gun law. Gatewood did not intend to leave the gun in the car. Neither of them smoked marijuana. They both took drug test for school after I got them out of jail. Test results in a few days. Both should play Saturday do to lack of criminal intent, honesty and cooperation. "
-- I see no reason why they can't play other than not having been in team meetings. I'm not a big gun myself, but I have several friends that went target shooting out near Hamilton's Pool and were just as reckless carrying them around. I'm talking like you'd get in their truck and shells would be rolling around in the cab, gun cases open and rifles wrapped in their dirty laundry piles.
I mean, this is Texas after all.
by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Does that seem like a punishment to anyone? Not that I am saying he needs to be severly punished. I honestly think that if what was said here is the truth, then this was a case of wrong place wrong time.
by AdamDC on Sep 5, 2006 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not really
don't get me wrong, i want them to play, but i just don't see it happening.
by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only ...
Mack better make the right decision on this. My guess is suspend him a couple games for the very poor judgement. It's not like Tarrell Brown fell asleep and THEN grabbed a pistol and put it in his lap.
With Ramonce getting busted, Benson knocking down doors a couple years ago and now this, Mack better put a halt to everything before the school really does take on the same images as Miami, etc. And what high school coach would advise sending their top athlete to a place like that?
by FreedomDip on Sep 5, 2006 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhmm
It isn't their choice and most HS coaches should be happy for kids who get D1 schollies.
Parents would be the only problem and unless they are sending their kids to BYU I doubt the school is entirely squeeky clean.
by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a pistol was rolling around below your feet
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont
by bhors on Sep 5, 2006 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think the point
the difference is that no one on this thread is a highly touted athlete at UT who should know not to put anything with legal implications on their lap, unless it is a 18 year old coed.
so you can count me as 'Y'
by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was in college
by billb on Sep 5, 2006 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
James
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i think it would be silly to put it in my lap
by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never been pulled over
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by bhors on Sep 5, 2006 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You never put yourself into a situation like this?
As for the gun, I am sure if you got drunk all the time at UT you went to people's houses that had guns and probably at the same time someone was smoking pot.
Get off your high horse my friend.
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear ethics cops,
This is not a pious pissing contest. No one cares how good YOU were. The fact remains that people get into bad situations. If we held everyone to such high standards (as these atheletes) the nation would be without doctors, teachers, or governement. Most of whom have been less than perfect.
As far as recruits go? Do you think those kids and families live in a social vacuum? No one in their hometown gets into trouble on occasion? Ridiculous to worry about such things. No one will even remember these events by the end of the season. Besides, name me a top division 1A schooll who hasn't bumped a kid from the roster or school in the last 10 years. FSU, OSU, USC, Miami, etc. last time I checked they were still getting top-level recruits.
by HorseyTruck on Sep 5, 2006 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it was just the Marijuana
"No one cares how good YOU were."
And no one cares how good any of us are at football, which is why the people in question are held to a different standard. Are you really offended by this? Is College Football a right bestowed on all talented persons regardless of their behavior, or is it (in fact) a privaledge bestowed upon talented individuals by a governing organization that can be taken away when the players violate stated rules? Are individual programs, or coaches, helpless to police their own football players because you think (allegedly)having a gun in your lap at 3 AM is normal behavior?
"If we held everyone to such high standards (as these atheletes) the nation would be without doctors, teachers, or governement. Most of whom have been less than perfect."
Uhm, no one is saying throw the book at these kids. The punishment most often quoted is a couple game suspensions. If this ruins their football or professional careers, than that's a shame. One night of bad judgment that led to no injuries is not sufficient to ruin a kid's life... but being able to play in a football game isn't necessary for a happy and successful future either.
As for the differing "standards", the state has none. Marijuana use is illegal. We may not think that's fair, but at least it's punished across professional career paths. A doctor smoking weed is and should be as culpable as a very good football player. Having separate legal standards would be immoral.
Yet organizations can self police as well and the NCAA happens to agree with the state regarding marijuana use and/or gun posession. That's their call.
But I agree, this will not affect the UT recruiting program at all should UT have a successful season on the field. Marijuana use isn't going to scare anyone away from a big-time D1 scholarship, though the presence of a gun will raise a few more eyebrows.
Innocent until proven guilty means just that and I think the official stance of BON is perfectly stated. Up until that moment when a jury or a judge says so, this kid is innocent of everything alleged. Whatever decision Mack Brown makes will be more informed than any judgment I can render from my keyboard.
by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the gun was not registered to Gatewood,
My real problem is with what can be construed as racial biggotry (perhaps unintentional, and not by you, of course). Just because a black man has a gun doesn't mean he is a thug, gansta, or is "shooting at people" (In fact, why would you register a gun if you wished to use it with ill-intent.)
If they are pulled over with a loaded, but registered, gun in the car-they probably get off with a warning. If they are pulled over and AH has a joint on his person. They all go to jail, but TB and TG are let free uncharged after the test. The presence of both, in an unrelated fashion, makes for a truly bad situation. Drugs, Guns, and black atheletes in a car has a synergisitc effect. Makes a flashy story...that most people will eat up and use to make judgements without assigning individual responsibility. They are not all equally guilty of wrong-doing. For TB, negative test, registered gun = very little cause for suspension. Its about drug use and criminal intent....neither seem apparent from the reports.
by HorseyTruck on Sep 5, 2006 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good response.
Again this all relies on facts that are not as of now verified in a court of law, but it's unlikely that a sleeping guy picks up a loaded gun. A few kids smoking weed at 3AM is of interest to the NCAA and Mack Brown, but not to me. You throw a gun in there, even registered, and I can't help but raise some serious questions.
Whether right or not, I think the NCAA and Mack Brown do not have the luxury of assuming the best. Guilt by association is guilt nonetheless in the scrutinizing eyes of College Football Coaches and the NCAA, and someone is guilty of something here. The NCAA holds itself to different (higher) standards than society at large.
by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh, I should clarify
I should say that someone is guilty of something here by a Coach/NCAA standards. While a particular individual is innocent until a jury says they are not, a player is innocent until a coach/NCAA says they are not.
I have a feeling that the NCAA does not want to encourage its participants to be around marijuana and guns and police officers at 3 AM. Even while asleep.
by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your assumption is that he grabbed the gun
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
The former is bizarre, and clearly did not happen (though it would make this young man entirely innocent). The latter is approaching suspicious behavior, though there are a number of facts that I am not privy to that will ultimately speak for themselves.
And coaches have more stringent standards for their players than the state does.
by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explain
by whoopspat on Sep 5, 2006 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could do it
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
i know, why would he leave the gun on his lap. people do weird shit under stress.
by jimmer on Sep 5, 2006 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could do it
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are y'all serious
NEWBS
by joenewby4040 on Sep 5, 2006 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok you play dead
by Wells on Sep 5, 2006 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I play dead when the wife starts talking
Police don't always, in fact rarely, put on sirens. I've been asleep on road trips and friends have stopped, eaten a meal, played music, etc. All this without me waking up.
The theory that he was asleep is pretty sound if you ask me.
Harris needs to go get a life and stop weezing on someone else's gig.
Time to stop hanging out with kids.
by EYESofBEVO on Sep 5, 2006 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seond hand
by burntorangenance on Sep 5, 2006 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paging Dr. Nick Riviera
by Red Blooded on Sep 5, 2006 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were no sirens
But I'm not sure why Aaron Harris didnt freak out and wake everyone up when he got pulled over.
by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy
by roywilliamsisgod on Sep 5, 2006 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guns in the car
we were way out south of town. still really dumb but really, really fun and the type of shit some people do when they're dumb and in college.
i say bench him a game, but i don't think these guys are criminals or anything.
by Vice President Coco on Sep 5, 2006 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you really did that out of a Volvo,
Did you hold your 9 sideways?
by the other Andrew on Sep 5, 2006 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i probably agree
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