We just got called out....
by maverick76904 on Oct 30, 2007 7:39 AM CDT
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Mack Brown says it is not such an advantage playing at home with all the boo birds who came out to the game on Saturday. Have to admit, I was booing, but it was because of GD and his fabulous play calling.
Guess its time for us to stop booing at games....
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we love the team
and college aged kids are gonna make mistakes on and off the field
we frown upon that off the field
we frown upon it on the field
but the boos are not directed towards children
mac brown, greg davis, duane akina ... ya'll are men ... ya'll are 40
yet you seem to have george bush jr syndrome when it comes to responsibility for your actions
sticking with bad systems when all signs point to change, especially when change is very much a possibility
there are simply no excuses for the ineptitude ya'll show with play calling, point management, personnel changes, and schemes
at some point the onus falls on you all to provide not only the fans and school the best representative of texas football
but also the athletes and future athletes
until then expect to be booed, expect to be chastised, if there were no boos, and no criticism
then we would be accepting of this mediocrity that is being served to us
don't try to feed us poop, and tell us it's the best meal in the state ... when you have all the ingredients to make a great meal
just the stubbornness,and such an elitist view of yourself to think people will eat poop because you say it's good
rant::over
furthermore
my boos come from my couch at home
i've yet to attend a game
just making that aware
by abcdmetrius on Oct 30, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with abcd...
...but we had a similarly bad start to a game against TCU, and the fans stayed positive, cheered the players as they left the field, and they came back out and pounded the crap out of the frogs. You could tell it got them pumped up. Who would want to play for a team that gets booed by its own fans? Regardless of who those boos are aimed at, I'd much rather be at a game where the fans are trying to get their team to wake up with cheers than with boos. I'm as frustrated with the coaching buffoonery as anyone, but the Davis/Mack-haters have always also said that the talent of our players overcomes that. Which is it? If you're counting on your players to win the game, cheer for them and support them.
The saddest part of every game for me is gathering over the tunnel as the 'Horns leave, win or lose, and watching the ones that didn't have such a great game look at us cheering our heads off like we're a bunch of hypocrites - booing when we're down and cheering when we're up.
I went back an highlighted that because it really disheartens me to think that at DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium at the University of Texas, the place I was brought up believing is the last home of the spirit of William Travis and Davey Crockett, the place where we laugh at a 20 point deficit the same way we laughed at 10-to-1 odds at the Alamo, that place, is now full of people who would rather give up on their team and boo until someone else makes things better. That's just disgusting.
Face it. Mack and Greg are here to stay, barring some miracle change. When we boo, it just puts Mack into circle-the-wagons mode, and he becomes a stubborn ass about coaching strategy, just because he's that kind of guy that wants to protect his staff and especially his players. So if we need a miracle change for these guys to correct the problems, let's try supporting them, because our current players deserve better, and all the history and tradition in that stadium, from DKR to Major Applewhite to Earl Campbell, they deserve better, too.
That's all.
Disgraceful
I live in Corpus Christi and don't make it up for the games, so I listen on the radio or watch on TV when available. Several times I have heard the boo-ing at home games and it makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, I can come onto a blog and say "GD sucks" or "Put in Chiles" or whatever, but to be boo-ing your team at the home game is disgraceful (and embarassing - did you read the fannation.com comment from the f***ing Okie?).
If y'all don't like the Longhorns anymore, then please send me your tickets and I'll drive up to Austin to CHEER for them!
It's a fair criticism
On another note, at the Baylor game some older alumni behind me tapped a kid sitting next to me on the shoulder and told him to sit down saying, "Only Aggies stand the whole game." That's insane and it fits with other comments about the SMQ post about DKR.
Clarification: "immediately following a bad play"
There were 3 times that I heard the crowd crying BOO this past Saturday. Not one time did I hear it start after the play was finished.
Twice -- The zebras on the field were called out by the DKR crowd twice. One of those was the episode of "Now who caused which penalty?.....10 minutes later....Oh to hell with it, just punt again". The other boo-hiss was for the refs calling on Wells' grandfather for a time machine, so that they could go back to before the 1st down play was run by Texas. Even the stadium announcer was disturbed by this one.
I understand both sides of this debate. There was plenty of reason to let the Refs know what a piss-poor job they were doing. There is also solid ground under the "Never boo at DKR" platform. Each fan in attendance will have to choose for themselves, as to whether booing is the right thing to do.
The other BOO (the one spoke of above by Bob regarding Jamaal's running play) was actually pretty interesting. The vast amount of booing noise made by the crowd started right as the ball was handed off, and before Charles was tackled for no gain.
Again, I sympathize with both sides of the debate. The kids on the field should never be booed, and how can they determine whom it is directed at? However, I was actually a little impressed that the crowd was voicing displeasure as soon as the play call was realized. That leads one to believe that it was definitely directed at Mack & Greg....unless ~40,000 thought that Colt made an atrocious handoff.
I'm pretty sure
that if that's true, Jamaal Charles isn't going back on his Tivo to see when the boos started. You can't rationalize it away that "maybe the players know their coaches suck." If that was true, they'd play like the Huskers played against Mizzou and Okie St. If I had to guess, I'd say they think we're all a bunch of know-it-alls that are just there to be cool. It sucks for those of us who are trying to support them, because all they hear is booing, and then they wonder, "who do these losers think they are?" when we cheer them as they walk off the field (because we stayed for The Eyes).
My point is, no booing your team (or coaches) is acceptable, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
I'm pretty sure
That's why I said
"The kids on the field should never be booed, and how can they determine whom it is directed at?"
I'm pretty sure
If we all understand the boos were directed at the coaches and the play calling, the student athletes of the University of Texas know the direction of the boos. They players are not 5 year olds, and I'm sure most know we would lay down in front of a bus for any of them if it meant they would excel. It's the coaches job to reinforce the players, that's what they get paid to do. I'm not advocating booing, I just don't understand the perception that we are treading on these young men's feelings when they hear a boo not even directed at them.
by anonyMoose on Oct 30, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
I don't see any way
that the players can decipher to whom the booing is directed. They're not 5 years old, but they're in the heat of battle - A boo is a boo, and I can't imagine a player taking it as anything other than a result of their play on the field, other than obvious situations of booing the refs or the other team.
I just don't see how booing helps during home games. I was at the game and I was probably more frustrated with the Play selections in the 3rd quarter than at any other time during the year, but I feel my job as a fan is to support the team - as has been stated before, there's plenty of avenues to voice my dissatisfaction if necessary.
by LeftHandedTexan on Oct 30, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Booing Coaches
Just to echo some of the sentiment already stated. In high school our head coach was an idiot. So much so, that we would change the plays in the huddle about half of the time and suffered no consequences. That being said, when anyone outside of the team would speak poorly of him, or any of the coaches, we would defend him(them) to the end. He may have been a retard, but he was our retard. I have never been as frustrated watching a UT season as I have this year, BUT...the players do not spend time during the game discerning the nature of the cheers/boos that are raining down on them. Curse Davis' play calling on the way home, rip out your hair in frustration over the upper classmen LB's playing time, and boo all you want in front of your TV at home. When you're at the game though, cheer on the team who has brought us so much joy throughout our lives...
-Reading this again I feel like Lou Holtz giving his "motivational speeches" on college football live...oh well.
Good Stuff
"He may have been a retard, but he was our retard."
I don't know what to say. That is hilarious. It seems like being the die hard 'Horn fan I am will be much more fun and enjoyable looking at Greg Davis with that in mind. From now on that's my new attitude toward GD. Next time we stall in the red zone I'll just be thinking, "He's may be a retard, but he's our retard" and be able to smile and enjoy the fact that at least our retard isn't Fran.
"at least our retard isn't Fran"
Now that is hilarious.
Booing refs too
A lot of boos were directed at the refs. There was the one series of plays where it took 15 minutes to run 2-3 plays. There was the punt with two penalties that took about ten minutes (and a commercial break) to sort out. I believe about two plays later there was an official review on a play after another play had already been run.
This stuff seemed to add to the frustration.
refs
I can proudly say I've never booed our team, but I was definately booing the refs all game (sadly from my home couch). I thought the refs were particularly bad, and I could certainly understand booing them incessantly.
I think as BONers, we need to take a stand at games and have a no booing policy, because clearly no one knows whether it's directed at the refs, coaches or players. (Ok the occassional cheap shot by another team or particularly awful call from a ref would be extenuating circumstances)
by sharkbait101 on Oct 30, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
the booing
I've given my statement on the booing that comes from the crowd at DKR.
Don't do it. Ever.
There will always be the fratties with their "COLT MCCOY YOU F-CKING SUCK I COULD HAVE MADE THAT THROW," but as a whole, just don't do it.
I really, really do not think that the educated fan should EVER boo at their own team during the game (I also am not a fan of ever booing the referees, though sometimes they deserve it). I'll echo PB's comments and say that AFTER the game, if you are displeased with the coaching, take the appropriate action to take issue with the coaches. But the players deserve cheering from coin toss to handshake.
by Bdub on Oct 30, 2007 11:49 AM CDT reply actions
What is "appropriate action"?
To play devil's advocate:
What, exactly, is the "appropriate action to take issue with the coaches...after the game"? I don't know of any way that fans can interact with Mack Brown or Greg Davis or contribute our opinions in any sort of meaningful way. PB gets the closest out of any of us, but let's face it, as much as we wish he did, Mack doesn't read BON. What, exactly, are the fans supposed to do in the face of such horrendous coaching when there is no other recourse?
I didn't boo at the game, but I can see where the fans who did are coming from. It's the only place where there are 82,000 of us where Mack, and everyone else related to the team, HAS to listen. Every other hour of the week he's completely isolated and we have no recourse whatsoever.
Maybe.
Maybe Mack should fix the play calling, therefore spare everyone of the booing. Since this will never happen, he's probably better off making another announcement on the big Godzillatron about it.
Also, why did the athletics program sell out everything? First downs being brought to you by AutoZone and Texas Fight being brought to you by HEB. That's so sad.
Two different issues
I am completely against booing our team. In fact, I wish the fans would use more of that energy to intimidate the other team, it shows they have passion, so why doesn't that passion work both ways?
But Mack calling out the fanbase is a different issue entirely. It's typical politics - nothing more than a diversion tactic to get us to talk about how we're not properly supporting the team instead of how this coaching staff isn't properly coaching this team.
And that annoys me.
I echo many of the sentiments
expressed here. I'll confess that at one point in the third quarter, I shouted out the loudest "What the hell is Greg Davis thinking?", but, unlike many of my neighbors in the stands, would never sink to booing our team. Let's not kid ourselves that the team can distinguish to whom the booing is intended; of course, they'll assume it's directed to their play on the field. (Ref incompetence must be called out with righteous booing.)
We've had the same seats for years, and I think fan behavior has sunk to a new low this year. We used to see the same folks week after week; now, I guess due to the secondary market, there's no telling who'll show up. Not to be judgmental, but a lot of these one-shot wonders are loud, obnoxious jerks who know nothing about football and appear to care even less about our team and the University.
It's been a frustrating year in many respects, but let's not make matters worse.
Just curious
We had what I would describe as a "direct, bordering on frank" discussion about this over on Conquest Chronicles after the fans at the Coliseum booed towards the end of the Stanford game. I was struck by the divide that since CC tilts towards an old fart demographic, it became very clear that there was an inverse correlation between age and inclination to boo - ie, the old farts were appalled, and the "spoiled brats" (to use a recurring phrase) were more likely to boo.*
Was there a similar split at DKR Stadium?
*Really, you don't need to tell me that SC has a lot of bandwagon fans... we know.
The best
was the group in front of me, who turned to the coaching booth to boo and then spent the rest of the series using binoculars looking for GD instead of watching the game.
telling the coaches what we think
Looking at this post is seems the general consensus is that we shouldn't boo during a game unless it's obviously directed at the refs after a bad call. As it's been mentioned before, booing during a play isn't positive for anyone. JC might think it's about him, or he might think it's directed at someone else on the team....or maybe Quan thinks it's directed at JC. Who knows. It shouldn't be done, though.
So what if instead of booing, we actually chant something? Everyone understands us when we say TEXAS! FIGHT!, so what if we said something to the effect of FIRE! GREG! DAVIS! when he's being stubborn? Are people allowed to bring signs in to DKR? I know the cheerleaders couldn't hold up such a sign, but someone in the audience could.
And it doesn't have to be "fire GD", it can anything that translates to "Greg, you're doing a crappy job at your job, please remove your head from your ass".
I'm sure that'd make Mack "circle the wagons" even more, though.
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