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Texas Longhorns BCS Bowl Possibilities: Volume 1

If Texas beats the Aggies on T+1, the question every Longhorn fan will want answered is: can we make a BCS Bowl? There's been some great discussions on this in the diaries already, but let's walk through the scenarios and figure out where we stand.

Rose Bowl

Overview: We lead with the Rose Bowl because it remains my top destination choice for the 'Horns in any year where a national and/or conference title chance is off the table. The most important note with this bowl is that the Rose Bowl committee wants, as its first choice, the traditional Pac 10-Big 10 game. They will not stray from that formula if possible.

Where Things Stand Today: With Ohio State's loss to Illinois, the Big 10 representative is all but locked in. For the Buckeyes to reach the national title game, a monumental collapse among the contenders ahead of them is required. The winner of Michigan-Ohio State is Rose Bowl bound.

As for the Pac 10, Oregon is the favorite to win the conference, but they have a very reasonable chance to be national title game participants. If Oregon loses one or both of their remaining games, the Pac 10 champion is very likely headed to the Rose Bowl.

Texas Fans Should Root For: Unlike a lot of the scenarios, this one's pretty straightforward. For starters, Oregon must make the national title game. Additionally, the winner of the USC-Arizona State game must drop an additional contest. Best case scenario? USC beats Arizona State, but loses to UCLA. If the Trojans win out, they'd be the Rose Bowl's top choice to replace Oregon. Ditto Arizona State. We need both teams to have suspect finishes to their season.

Sugar Bowl

Overview: The SEC Champion is locked into the Sugar Bowl each season, leaving one at-large team for the game per year, except when the SEC Champ qualifies for the national title game. As far as destinations for Longhorn fans go, New Orleans is at or near the top of the list. Burnt Orange Nation would be delighted.

Where Things Stand Today: LSU is currently on track to qualify for the national title game, though their appearance is not guaranteed, even if they win out. It is, however, very likely; their strength with the human polls, assuming it remained strong, would keep them in the top two. Assuming the Sugar Bowl lost its SEC representative, it would have an early choice for a replacement. Would they choose another SEC team? That's certainly going to be their first choice, but what if Tennessee and/or Georgia loses to Kentucky but makes the SEC championship game? Or if the SEC East winner gets embarrassed by LSU in Atlanta? In that case, the Sugar Bowl would have to decide if it wanted a three-loss Florida, Georgia, or Tennessee team.

This is the appropriate time to bring up Hawaii, as the Sugar Bowl is stuck last in the at-large choice rotation this year. Like the Fiesta Bowl last year, the Sugar Bowl would be the one forced to take an auto-qualified Hawaii, as no other bowl will select them voluntarily.

Texas Fans Should Root For: If you want the Sugar Bowl to have two at-large (non-SEC) spots, root for LSU and Kentucky. Should the Tigers make the title game, they'd be out. Should Kentucky take out Georgia and/or Tennessee, the odds of an SEC-less Sugar Bowl would increase dramatically.

As for Hawaii, there are two things to root for: first, that the 'Bows lose a game. Failing that, Texas fans should root for whomever wins the ACC and Big East to finish strong. If either conference champion is ranked behind Hawaii in the BCS Standings, then the Rainbow Warriors need only be in the Top 16 - as opposed to Top 12 - to qualify for an auto-bid to a BCS Bowl.

Fiesta Bowl

Overview: The Big 12 champion automatically is sent to the Fiesta Bowl unless the champ qualifies for the national title game. This year, two of the most important games for both the conference and national title picture will be Big 12 contests. The Kansas-Missouri game and Big 12 title match up will have enormous implications on this, and every, BCS bowl.

Where Things Stand Today: It's almost fruitless to speculate about this situation right now, as there are so many course-altering games remaining on the Big 12 slate. Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri are ranked 3, 4, and 5 in the BCS Standings, with two teams fated to take a dip once the games are complete.

I do think it's safe to say that the Fiesta Bowl will host a Big 12 team. Though it's not guaranteed, it's highly likely. If OU wins the Big 12 championship but does not qualify for the BCS Title Game, they'll be there. If Missouri beats Kansas and OU, it's unlikely to make the BCS Title Game and would head to Phoenix.

If Oklahoma were to make the BCS Title Game, the Fiesta Bowl would likely choose the Kansas-Missouri winner, provided neither loses this coming Saturday.

If Kansas runs the table and makes the BCS Title Game, then things get very interesting. The Fiesta Bowl would likely, as its first choice, select a two-loss Oklahoma team. A two-loss Missouri team is a possibility (if OU had, say, three losses), but seems unlikely to me.

Texas Fans Should Root For: There are so many difference scenarios here that it's tough to pick one rooting strategy as the best one. I've given this a lot of thought, though, and think I've figured out the best-case scenario for Texas.

Actually, there are two. First, there is the obvious one: Oklahoma loses to both Tech and Pokie State to close the season, while Texas beats A&M. In that case, we make the Big 12 Title Game and can earn the auto-bid.

That's highly, highly unlikely, though. More realistically, Oklahoma dropping one of its final two games is within the realm of possibilities. In that case? Texas would want Kansas to beat Missouri, beat Oklahoma, and qualify for the BCS Title Game. Suddenly, the Sooners are a three-loss team on a downward trend. Furthermore, the Sooners were Fiesta Bowl participants last year, a factor bowl committees give weight in their deliberations. Under this scenario, the Fiesta Bowl's most likely choice is between Missouri and Texas. I'd put the odds at 75% that Texas would be their choice.

Orange Bowl

Overview: The ACC champion automatically qualifies for the Orange Bowl. No ACC team has a realistic chance to qualify for the national title game.

Where Things Stand Today: Like the Big 12 and SEC, the Atlantic Coast Conference pits its two division winners against one another in a championship game. The winner of this coming Saturday's Clemson-Boston College match up will clinch the Atlantic Division. Virginia Tech must beat Miami and Virginia to capture the Coastal Division crown; otherwise, Virginia is the representative.

The only real question with this conference is whether the conference champ will finish ranked behind Hawaii in the BCS Standings. If so, the Rainbows need only finish in the Top 16 for an auto-bid. Otherwise, Hawaii must finish inside the Top 12.

Texas Fans Should Root For: It's not the most critical conference to Texas' chances, but all these factors matter (and are all subject to change if unexpected results pop up). I think the most logical team to root for is Virginia. Should the Cavs beat Virginia Tech, the Hokies would be a three-loss team unlikely to receive an at-large bid. For its part, Virginia as ACC Champ would almost assuredly finish ahead of Hawaii in the BCS Standings, forcing the Rainbow Warriors to finish in the Top 12.

The worst case scenario? Boston College beats Clemson but falls to Miami in the season finale, then goes on to win the ACC championship game. In that case, the Golden Eagles would be in real danger of finishing behind Hawaii in the BCS Standings, making UH's path to auto-qualification all the easier.

Beyond the Hawaii issue, it's pretty much wait-and-see. After the bowls which lose national title participants make replacement selections, the Orange Bowl will have first choice of the at-large teams. Without knowing how the rest of the season plays out, it's impossible to say who they'd want. A Big 12 runner up Kansas would be attractive. A one-loss Kansas team (to Missouri) is a less likely, but entirely plausible, selection. A two-loss Oklahoma team (provided it beat Tech and Okie State, losing to Missouri in the Big 12 championship) would be an attractive choice. If West Virginia were to lose to UCONN and finish second in the Big East, they would be a viable option. If Oregon wins the Pac 10 but fails to qualify for the national title game, a one-loss Arizona State or two-loss USC team would be strongly considered. The Orange Bowl will have its pick of the litter, but can't make any kind of decision until all these conference championships are decided.

Final Thoughts

It's pretty crazy to think about how many different scenarios are in play with teams having just one or two games remaining on their schedules. With that in mind, it's virtually impossible to handicap which BCS Bowl Texas is most likely to receive a bid from. The odds of Texas receiving a BCS bid of any kind can't precisely be calculated, but there are certain outcomes which would significantly help our chances. Clearing Hawaii from the picture is the most important one. Chaos among teams who won't be winning conference championships is always helpful.

Still, we'll just have to wait and see. And, of course, beat Texas A&M. My suggestion would be to pick the bowl you most want Texas to attend and root for that scenario to unfold. The odds are things won't go as any of us foresee them, but as best I can tell, these are the most likely barriers to a Texas bid in a BCS Bowl.

For me? I tend to agree with those who say that a BCS Bowl bid isn't the be-all and end-all. Priorities 1 and 1A are national and conference titles. BCS Bowls are nice for travel, fun, money coffers, and exposure - benefits which are nice but not fundamental goals in the way that championships are. Moreover, I personally wouldn't be too jacked about an Orange Bowl trip to play Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, or Clemson. Truth be told, I'd rather go to the Cotton Bowl to play Florida, or Holiday Bowl to play USC. Everyone's got their own preferences, so pick where you hope we wind up and root for that.

You never know...

--PB--

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Rose Bowl completely out of question

The one bowl we can definetly scratch of our list is the Rose Bowl. There is no way they would take us barring a collapse of USC, ASU and Oregon. I think we will end up in the Orange Bowl if we go to a BCS and I hope we play West Virginia.

The ideal bowl game for me would be the Sugar Bowl where we play Georgia.

PB is right it really is all relevant. Would you go to the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl and play "the Rainbow Warriors" or go to Big D and play Florida. As long as we finish the season 11-2 it will be a good solid season with alot of what ifs.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 11:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not quite

The Rose Bowl scenario involves USC beating ASU and losing to UCLA, but having Oregon WIN its remaining games and get into the national title game.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 11, 2007 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

Don't forget that we have been there 2 out of the past three years and i bet they are kind of tired of us a little bit. I think they would prefer Georgia or some other fresh face. Hey they might take Hawaii just for the uniqueness factor of it all.

Imagine an Ohio State vs. Hawaii Rose Bowl. That would be the ultimate paradox. Old school, tradition, history, passion vs. the "Rainbow Warriors" and a qb with the state bleached onto his hair.

You gotta love the BCS, and you gotta love college football. You just cannot beat it.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I might agree if...

Texas fans hadn't enjoyed two of the most memorable football games ever played in that bowl. As is, though, it's VY's sanctuary, and a destination any and every Longhorn fan would covet.

Contrast this to Oklahoma and the Fiesta Bowl, where memories of Ian Johnson scoring the winning 2-point conversion taint Sooner fans' most recent memories of the place.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 11, 2007 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

I would love to go the Rose Bowl and it is my top choice as well but VY is not here anymore and you can't really market Colt McCoy, you can JC, however.

What i'm saying is the bowl officials don't want us there again, just like they don't want Michigan (it seems like they have played and lost the last 5 Rose Bowls).

They don't want a pseudo rematch of the national championship game b/w USC and Texas, two teams that are shells of themselves. I don't know. But i would not be that excited to play in the Rose Bowl. There just would not be that extra meaning like we had in 04,05. But it would be nice to play in Miami or on Bourban street.

Like you said PB, its all about the match up and it does not matter where you play, unless it is in Boise on a blue turf.

All i am saying is if i were a Rose Bowl official Texas would not be on top of my list unless some kind of plague struck down on college football and every concievable and unconcievable upset happened and they had to choose us.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 11:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We seem to be making a

similar point about JC but I really disagree with the attractivness of a Texas/USC matchup.   No this might not be the Greatest-Game-Ever-MNC thing like we had a couple of years ago with marquee stars coming out the wazoo but the two programs still have enough prestige to create a very attractive matchup particularly given our recent offensive revival and even moreso if USC manages to put together a decent end to the season and show some competence on offense.

I completely agree with PB that a Texas/USC matchup in the Holliday would be much more attractive than any number of BCS scenarios (not financially, of course) and I dare say would draw a bigger audience than some of the latter (the Orange and Fiesta had very poor ratings last year).

marshalld

by duras on Nov 12, 2007 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point PB

Also I think our explosive offense in the 4th Qts v. NU and OSU and really the entire game against Tech makes us a much more attractive proposition than we were 3 weeks ago.  Jamaal is making quite a name for himself as well and if he can get healthy and have another big game against TAMU this will further increase the glamour quotient.

marshalld

by duras on Nov 12, 2007 9:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The city of Pasadena

writes "Mrs. Texas Longhorns" on their textbook covers every day of the year.

Trust me on this.

by the other Andrew on Nov 11, 2007 11:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this is by far....

the best post in the history of BON. Save it now.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 12, 2007 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No bowl wants Hawaii

I dont care how good the story is, they just don't travel.  That is why they play in Hawaii every time they are bowl eligible.

by Wells on Nov 12, 2007 7:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true 'nuff....

they don't even travel to pearl city for the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl (is it still called that this year?). Trust me, I lived in Oahu for 3+ years.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 12, 2007 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sugar and Fiesta Bowl reps at the Tech game

That can only be a good sign for us.  I think we get picked ahead of the loser of the Big XII CCG because we'll be on such a streak and because of our TV numbers.

by Texas Wahoo on Nov 11, 2007 11:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

One possibility I hadn't considered

Is a Texas-OU rematch. It's a bit weird, but not at all outside the realm of possibilities. If 11-1 Oklahoma gets the auto-bid, and Texas is one of the more attractive at-large candidates, it's definitely something the Fiesta Bowl would have to consider.

It's weird even to think about, but... well, it could happen.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 11, 2007 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How would i react

Although it would be extremely weird and interesting if that happened but would anybody really want that. It is a no win situation for us. We win they can say, we beat you guys when it mattered. They win they can print shirts with some stupid land thieve saying on it.

I don't know i would not be looking forward to it. The Fiesta Bowl officials would do everything in their power to prevent it from happening. You would have one segment of the country coming to the game.

Also no one outside of these two schools would care at all about the game. It would be like that FSU, Miami Orange Bowl game a few years back.

No win situation for us.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree with one point

I don't think Fiesta Bowl officials would root against it.  Texas and Jokelahoma are two of the most dedicated programs in the nation.  That means a sell out in the stands and in the tourism industry.  At the end of the day I'm pretty sure the profits would exceed any negative regional issues of two schools so close playing each other.  Besides, I wouldn't mind another chance to beat the land thieves asses.

by anonyMoose on Nov 12, 2007 12:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

any precedent?

Has this type of situation happened before?

Best I can think of is Miami - Florida St, but those teams arent in the same conference, they just play each other yearly.

by the other Andrew on Nov 11, 2007 11:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they are in the same conference

now but im not sure if they were when they played in the orange bowl

by blazzinken on Nov 11, 2007 11:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were not.

What made that game bad was that FSU and Miami played earlier in the regular season and then in the Orange Bowl and then they were going to play again several months later on Labor Day. They played each other three times in a span of 13 months.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No it has not happened before.

I doubt it would ever happen. The only way is some kind of doomsday scenario where everybody losses out and Texas and OU are left standing being the only major 1 loss team in the country and hottest two loss team in the country playing for the MNC.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 11:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i remember

florida and florida st played eachother for the national title in 96 and they had played like 2 months before even though they arent in the same conference they still play eachother in the regular season

by blazzinken on Nov 12, 2007 1:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember an o.u. - Nebraska rematch

one year in the Orange Bowl, I think sometime in the '70s.  It wasn't a national championship game --there was no BCS back then -- but I believe it had its title implications.  I seem to recall, too, that NU won the regular season, and o.u. the rematch.  I think it would be tough, mentally, to beat the same team twice (unless it was Baylor).

by NYCHorn on Nov 12, 2007 6:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Beating the same team twice

Colorado vs UT 2001 proved this to be true

Colorado vs UT 2005 proved that it sucks to have to play VY twice in a year because he just gets better every time he plays you.

by Wells on Nov 12, 2007 7:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol @...

(unless it was Baylor).

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 12, 2007 4:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

question

I thought that only two teams could go to a BCS bowl from the same conference, did that change once the went to a 5 BCS bowls or is that still true?

by blazzinken on Nov 11, 2007 11:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No they did not.
Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 12, 2007 12:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RRS part II

That's my dream scenario at the moment (other than some of the crazier ones involving OU losing out etc...). To me, beating the Sooners in a bowl game would pretty much be the second best ending possible to a season (aside from a NC). Lets just hope that Oregon ends up in the title game and the Rose Bowl takes either USC or Az St. If Oregon doesn't go to the title game, then they probably go to the Rose Bowl and Az St probably goes to the Fiesta Bowl

by HornsNation on Nov 11, 2007 11:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

USC vs. Texas

THAT's what I want to see.

My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.

by mvplonghorns on Nov 11, 2007 11:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not too excited about it

I'm really not feeling USC vs. Texas Part Deuce. USC is not that good and they would not provide a good litmust test as to how good we are. I would rather play Georgia, West Virginia or Oregon.

Not now chief I'm in the fucking zone.

by dsmith on Nov 12, 2007 12:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the only reason..

I'm very excited about it is because I live in Northern California, and there happen to be an obscene amount of band-wagoning USC fans out here.  Nothing would make me happier than to see the Horns lay waste to "The Best Team.....EVER"

My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.

by mvplonghorns on Nov 12, 2007 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ignore

It's Dhab. Again. (And yes, banned again.)

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 12, 2007 12:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the more he spoke

the more my suspicion grew.  you think he'll ever learn?

atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Nov 12, 2007 12:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew it

I should have called him out when he tried to accuse someone else of being Dhab.

by Wells on Nov 12, 2007 7:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dhab?

who is this Dhab fellow you guys speak of? Some idiotic poster?

My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.

by mvplonghorns on Nov 12, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Careful...

...They like to accuse you of being Dhab when you ask about him.  He's sort of the Trotsky of BON, but without ever having contributed anything of value.  Remember Animal Farm?  Think Snowball, but constantly spouting racist slurs, not to mention the insistence that whatever the subject of his rant is, "sucks tis yer, just acsept it..."

At least that's what I know about him.

Growing up, I only fed Jared Norton paper. That's why he eats plays.

by Horn Brain on Nov 12, 2007 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Who is he?

Again I say (because it's just so appropriately fun), he is BZ's white whale.

And if you weren't here for the original battle at sea, then you missed out on a soon-to-be literary classic.

Announcers say my adopted kid runs a 10.1 in the 300m, and announcers are NEVER wrong.

by Shake on Nov 12, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rose Bowl committee

Wouldn't you think they'd like to see a USC/Texas rematch over a USC/OSU-Mich game?

by goingforthecorner on Nov 12, 2007 3:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No

They always prefer the Big 10-Pac 10 game. In any case, they can't choose Texas over the Big 10 champ.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 12, 2007 6:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no

they would pick a one loss ohio state team over us but i dont think they would want a three loss michigan team over a two loss texas team. i don't know. besides we still have to beat A&M before we can got to a BCS bowl.

by Hook'em13 on Nov 12, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No picking involve

The Big 10 champion goes to the Rose Bowl period, unless it qualifies for the national title. If Michigan wins on Saturday, they go to the Rose Bowl. There is no selection involved. Ditto Ohio State: if they win the Big 10 championship but do not qualify for the national title game, they're headed to Pasadena automatically.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 12, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chip Brown has a concise analysis

of the current bowl scenario for all Big XII teams currently eligible.  

Chips puts Texas in the Fiesta

by NYCHorn on Nov 12, 2007 6:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No matter how many times I see it....

... I just can't picture Kansas playing in the National Championship game.  Just can't.

BCS national title game: Kansas vs. LSU

Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: Texas vs. Arizona State

AT&T Cotton: Oklahoma vs. Alabama

Pacific Life Holiday: Missouri vs. USC

Konica Minolta Gator: Texas Tech vs. Virginia Tech

Valero Alamo: Oklahoma St. vs. Penn St.

Insight: Colorado vs. Iowa

PetroSun Independence: Kansas St. vs. Kentucky

Texas: Texas A&M vs. Houston

My son's name is Blaine. You know he's gotta be tough.

by patienthornsfan on Nov 12, 2007 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a season made for Kansas

The waters have split for them in a way no one would have suspected in a million years. Peculiar and odd, yes, but the MNC is in their sights and all they have to do is win out.

Even with their success this season, no one but no one is projecting Kansas into the National Championship game. Yet, everything this crazy season has been would should us to accept this possibility; what could be more appropriate.

by whills on Nov 12, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

KU and the BCS

I'm a self-professed fan of one of the top two teams. If Kansas wins out, then there's no doubt they should be in the title game. Period.

You don't go undefeated in the Big 12 and get shut out of the big game by a pair of one-loss teams.

But, they gotta win three straight. This is a playoff sprint for all teams right now. We've seen teams stumble in the past and others have extremely close games. These next three or four weeks will be a lot of fun

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Nov 12, 2007 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really......??

no one but no one is projecting Kansas into the National Championship game.

Chip Brown of the DMN is doing precisely that my man.

People had better get prepared for more of the same next season. Kansas loses 1 DT from their entire defense. They lose 1 OLineman, 1 WR and their RB from that potent offense.

Kansas will be starting 4 seniors on their OLine next season and Reesing has 2 more starting seasons at Kansas.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Nov 12, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but the Kansas schedule is about three times as hard next year. they have to play OU and texas in the regular season next year and probably one of the two in a rematch for the big twelve championship next year.

by Hook'em13 on Nov 12, 2007 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention USF - who, while they won't be...

great, will be much improved from any of their OOC games this year.

by Texas Wahoo on Nov 12, 2007 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa. Good for Chip.
Didn't see that but I don't read the DMN that much, as good as it is.

There's no doubt Kansas has a bright future; if they don't make it this year, they'll be back.

We play them in Kansas Nov. 15 of next year, the last game prior to T+1. That could be a hell of a game with serious implications. Of course, Mangina will have a bone to pick with us.

by whills on Nov 13, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't picture it either

Especially given their creampuff schedule, which only encourages other teams to schedule likewise.  KU showed up well to beat aTm in college station and OSU in Stillwater.  They will earn more respect with a solid win over Missouri and a win over o.u.  Then maybe they deserve to be in the conversation.  

by NYCHorn on Nov 12, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2 Things PB
  1.  I think the chances of a two big 12 teams being in the BCS are pretty close to 100%, so we can leave the worrying about Hawaii to the Big East, ACC, Sugar Bowl Committee, and the New Orleans Chamber of Commerce.
  1.  I think Texas has a better chance of getting picked, given they can beat Fran one more time before he gets chased out of College Station, than you are giving them credit for.  I think the scenario that Texas would least want to see is a one loss Kansas team, either going into the Big 12 championship game or losing to Missouri who wins the championship, but even then I would think Fiesta would really give a good look at if they want Kansas or Texas.  I dont think it is very likely a 2 loss Missouri or Oklahoma gets picked over Texas, as Fiesta will not want OU two years in a row, or a Missouri team that is coming off a loss to end the season.

by Wells on Nov 12, 2007 7:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

huh?

who wouldn't want another crack at OU this year. What do I have to root for for THAT to happen?

by Crash on Nov 12, 2007 8:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't look too far.

I don't want to play USC or Michigan anytime soon. Not for any reason other than to preserve those victories in the Rose Bowl. I like those residing in the national psyche just as they are. No replays of past glories; that never turns out well.

I don't want to play OU against this season. Regardless of what we think, that would be a toss up and I wouldn't want to lose twice to them in the same season. So forget that.

I do want someone new and interesting, some place different. BCS, I don't care. We'll share the money at any rate; if it works out, it works out.

I expect Kansas to win out. Why? No one else seems to. They are solid on both sides of the ball and rolling well - and I think they're tougher than anyone else on the road. I find it odd even saying this, but there it is.

Overall, I find the Orange Bowl the most attractive, if it is in the cards to be a BCS selection.

It is a good week to be off. And the only thing I care about at this point is winning at Kyle Field. Perhaps they will want to give Fran an emotional send off; maybe they'll want to ride him out on a rail. Either way, I expect it to be emotional in the way only aggies can be, some twisted and perverted sense of self preservation rolled into some means of expressing all their anger about their own bad decisions and self destruction and antipathy towards UT, all rolled into one fanatical last ditch effort. The aggies don't have anything left except to try to fuck us. So keep your eyes open, your pants up and your sights on what's directly ahead of us. Don't let the bright lights of the distant bowls blind you to the ambush down the road, for they are plotting as we speak.  

by whills on Nov 12, 2007 11:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The aTm game scares the crap out of me, because once again they have nothing left to lose, and can make their whole season by ruining Texas' season. What a sad sad statement that is about Aggie Nation. But I know those guys will come out fired up, so we damn well better be MORE fired up.

My son's name is Blaine. You know he's gotta be tough.

by patienthornsfan on Nov 12, 2007 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It will be a tough game

perhaps more like the Tech game than we suspect. I think we can score well on them but don't know about shutting down that running game, particularly if they can pass a little, as they have done lately.

Whatever the Horns have left, they're gonna need it.

Hook 'em.

by whills on Nov 12, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All these bowls

And there's a conference division rematch? Nobody cares about that. People want to see intersectional matchups. Nobody would care about Texas-OU except  people who are fans of Texas and OU ... Even if Texas won.

I think Georgia-Oklahoma would be an exciting matchup. Maybe a conference matchup between Mizzou-Texas or Kansas-Texas since they haven't played this year. That's the only way Fiesta does it.

Then again, Big 12 could play for the national title. There's still a lot of football left to be played

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Nov 12, 2007 11:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kansas

has not beaten anybody good, with the possible exception of ok state. if they can beat iowa state and missou and big 12 south winner. then they deserve to go to NC game no matter what. personally i think they will lose to missou

by Hook'em13 on Nov 12, 2007 2:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Best scenario for Texas
  1. Missouri Loses to Kansas St.
  1. Missouri beats Kansas.  Kansas still goes to Big12 CC game
  1. OU beats Kansas.
  1. Texas beats A&M

Then from the Big 12 you have:

  1. OU auto qualified.
  1. Kansas 11-2.  But, lost last two games and lost to only ranked teams they played this year.
  1. Missouri 10-2.  Lost to Kansas St. and OU.
  1. Texas 10-2.  Lost to Kansas St. and OU.  On a winning streak.

In the above scenario, I don't think Kansas or Missouri have a chance to take the bid from Texas.

by JohnsonUT on Nov 12, 2007 3:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If really want the best case scenario

OU loses to TTech and OSU and we beat undefeated Kansas in the Big XII championship

by Texas Wahoo on Nov 12, 2007 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

....AND....

somehow get voted into the MNC game by fluke of a thousand other losses. Since we're wishful thinking, may as well wish big.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 14, 2007 1:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

It's not like these things are impossible....just ask Nebraska.

Announcers say my adopted kid runs a 10.1 in the 300m, and announcers are NEVER wrong.

by Shake on Nov 14, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all this who to root for...

is all for naught if we can't qualify for an at-large bid. I'm not even talking about having to beat aTm, because that's a given.

There is no way Texas gets a BCS at large bid over a 1-loss Kansas or 2-loss Oklahoma. I won't even mention Mizzou, b/c if they lose another game we'll get the nod over them and if they win out, they'll get the auto-qualifier.

What I'm hoping for is Oklahoma to lose to the Pokes in the Bedlam game and for Kansas to win out. If that's the case, we'd get the Fiesta Bowl against...well, who cares.

It's nice to start planning for who we want to win and all that, but if Kansas' only loss is to OU, we get a nice trip to the Holiday or Cotton Bowl. I'd prefer the Cotton, b/c then we'd probably get Florida or Georgia. That would be a good game.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 12, 2007 4:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and what I'm basically saying is....

who cares what the other conferences do. We'll get the nod over 2-loss Kansas or Mizzou, but not OK. And if we're eligible for a BCS game (able to be picked due to the drops from KU, MU, or OU) , we'll get selected.

I'm not worried about getting asked to go to the Prom, I'm worried about having a ticket.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 12, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not true

There is no way Texas gets a BCS at large bid over a 1-loss Kansas or 2-loss Oklahoma. I won't even mention Mizzou, b/c if they lose another game we'll get the nod over them and if they win out, they'll get the auto-qualifier.

Why do you think that?

The BCS has never selected the loser of a conference championship game, OU got in after losing because they were an automatic to the national championship game.

by Wells on Nov 12, 2007 6:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well....

Why do you think that?

I guess I think that because I think that. I don't think Kansas will drop far if they only have 1-loss, definitely not out of the top 10 and probably not below Texas.

With that in mind, I don't see any Bowl choosing a team with 2 losses over a team with 1 loss when they're in the same conference.

And who cares about conference championship game loser. KState is the only school who suffered from the loss, really. I don't see it as a cause that schools won't select them. I see it as an effect. Usually the team ends up with 2-3+ losses for the season and are out of the conversation altogether.

Hell. Nebraska played for the National Championship in 2001 and they didn't even play in the Big Xii Title Game.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 14, 2007 2:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't mean to rain on everyone's parade, but...

Back during the weekend of the UT/Nebraska game, several media outlets commented on the Gator Bowl being at the game in addition to the usual suspects (Cotton, Holiday, etc.).  It appears that the Big 12 and the Gator Bowl signed an agreement that the GB has to take a Big 12 representative 2 out of the next 3 years.  However, the kicker is that the GB has the FIRST option after the BCS Bowls to take the #2 Big 12 team for this year only.  They said the GB would be estatic to take a UT team that wins out their conference games against a runner-up non BCS SEC school for this year's game.  Clearly UT travels better than Mizzou or Kansas (who would be left out of the BCS w/ OU making it).

Now I bleed burnt orange, but it appears that my post UT loss to OU prediction of a UT vs. USC rematch (this time in the Holiday Bowl) will be derailed by a potential UT vs. Georgia/Florida Gator Bowl.

I pray for a BCS, but it looks like the Cotton and the Holiday take a backseat to the Gator this year!http://

by Robertpz on Nov 12, 2007 6:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Umm

I think this is incorrect for a number of reasons.  First of all, I believe the Gator bowl only has the first pick of non BCS schools if only one Big XII team gets into the BCS (which will not happen this year).

Second, and more glaring, is the fact that the Gator Bowl pits a Big XII/Big East team against an ACC team - not an SEC team.

by Texas Wahoo on Nov 12, 2007 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The point is that UT goes BCS or Gator @ 10-2

Like I said I hope we make it into a BCS game, but there still needs to be a few teams that need to lose (like Hawaii) for us to be an bonafide obvious choice.  Either way, if UT doesn't go to the BCS, we will be going to the Gator Bowl.  Sucks if it is the ACC because we would win that game easy, but wouldn't get much credit in the process.  Regardless if I got the conference opponent wrong, I just think that we as fans should get the Cotton or Holiday out of our heads unless we lose to TAMU or unless we get into the BCS.

The whole point of the comment was just that people on this blog seem to be sniffing in the wrong bowl direction.  I was just trying to throw this bit of information out there for fans to be aware of.

by Robertpz on Nov 12, 2007 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop worrying about Hawaii

If they win or lose, baring UT losing to ATM and Missouri losing 2 more and Kansas losing 2 more, the big 12 will have 2 BCS bids.

by Wells on Nov 13, 2007 1:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gator Bowl does not get the first selection

If UT does not make it into a BCS bowl, we will more than likely be going to the Cotton bowl.  At worst, the Holiday Bowl.

The selection order for the bowls is below:
BCS
Cotton
Holiday
Gator (when it selects a Big 12 team)
Alamo
Sun (when the Gator does not take a Big 12 team)
Insight
Independence
Texas

I will try to paste the link below.

http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-...

by hookem33 on Nov 13, 2007 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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