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Maybe he needs a raise. USA Today has published their annual cost per win breakdown, dividing a head coach's salary by the number of wins on the field. This year's ignominious champ is former Longhorn assistant coach Tim Brewster, who guided Minnesota to one win. His price? A cool million. Number two, not surprisingly, is Nick Saban who earned $583,867 for each of the Crimson Tide's six wins.

Mack Brown? Only sixteenth with his $305,667 per win, two spots behind Bob Stoops, who netted $329,091 for each of his 11 wins.

The lesson is clear: We're not paying Mack Brown enough money.

Ain't nothin' in a name no more. Kirk Bohls has been watching the 2007 coaching carousel and concludes that the landscape in college football is changing. Bohls' thesis is that there exists less and less incentive for coaches to jump "up" to a Big Name program. As less traditional schools continue to raise salaries and the mine of talented players wanting to see the field right away increases, parity - the argument goes - is setting in.

Perhaps, but it's worth asking if the 2007 season was more aberration or, as Bohls suggests, indicative of a more fundamental shift in the game. At least in terms of winning the biggest prize, I tend to think this season was a bit of a fluke. Though West Virginia and Missouri had a title game berth within their grasp, at the end of the day we're left with LSU and Ohio State. Hawaii was eliminated before the season even kicked off. The 10 BCS National Champions? Tennessee, Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami, Ohio State, LSU, USC, Texas, and Florida.

The deck is essentially stacked before the season begins, and barring total chaos, the odds of an underdog getting its day in the sun are relatively paltry. Unless, that is, Bohls is right and we're shifting into an era of greater parity in which games like Stanford over USC become more and more commonplace. Or, of course, we get a college football playoff. Then all bets are off.

Buck up, Big 10. Speaking of the national title game, I'm going to be curious to see how the spin cycle goes on this one. A prediction: After the onslaught of "Ohio State can't match the SEC speed" takes we'll hear, there will be a wave of pundits looking to take the contrarian view and we'll see a rash of pro-Buckeye sentiment.

Though LSU hasn't played great football in a long time now, there's no question in my mind they should be solid favorites in this one. And when you hear the talking point that Ohio State is 7-10-1 all-time against the SEC, remember that six of those wins came against Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Assuming LSU is fully healthy for the title game, my early feeling is that I won't be surprised one bit if the Buckeyes are in for more than they can handle.

With that in mind, Big 10 fans who spend 365 days a year hating Ohio State need to bite the bullet and cheer for the Buckeyes this time around. Another embarrassment for Ohio State in the title game will scar the conference for the next few years, to the point where any time the title game berths come down to a beauty contest for the voters (which is most every year), the Big 10 won't get the benefit of the doubt. The Big 10 needs this one.

Bowl Mania! Reader chief was kind enough to set up a bowl pick 'em league for BON. Click through for details. We'll have some sort of prize for the winners.

--PB--

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Bohls gets it right

There are probably several factors contributing to a power shift in college football.

A lot of coaches realize they'll never have it any better than where they are at. Why leave a good job for more stress? Extensive cable television -- and the ability to level the playing field with hidden gem players and gimmicky high school offenses makes continuity even more appealing.

After watching the Citadel go toe to toe with Wiscy at Madison I am convinced that we are seeing the college football equivalent of Princeton b-ball permeate more and more teams. In college basketball back-door cuts and the 3 point line are the great equilizers. In college football a team with an abundance of fast players(regardless of size) spread out across the LOS is the equilizer.

It wouldn't surprise me to see more of the same in 2008.
RIP pro style offenses.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 10, 2007 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

The lesson is clear: We're not paying Mack Brown enough money.

..we're paying McBrown way too much money. Way too many of our highly talented athletes are being wasted without adequate teaching/development. If he can't play the correct personnel, hire a hard-driving staff and coach his players up, then let him know this contract was good enough to sign therefore it is good enough to uphold.

If he thinks he can find a better bidder, then by all means allow him to speak with any program he wishes. The only 2 programs that might have had an interest - Tennessee and Florida State - have already made their commitments for the future. He's seen his last raise at Texas.

--- Peter's tired of disabling threads due to the wise-A comments from Wells & BZ, so hopefully they'll refrain from commenting ---

by HornChamps on Dec 10, 2007 10:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Definition

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  1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, "How nice!" when I said I had to work all weekend.
  1. Literature. (a) a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.  (b) (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.

by billyzane on Dec 10, 2007 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Mack left texas right now

 Michigan would snap him up in a NANOSECOND.

 

by Beergut on Dec 10, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The ironing is delicious

He's seen his last raise at Texas.

I'm almost positive this is not the case.

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Dec 10, 2007 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope you are right...

...and that he actually earns one.  

marshalld

by duras on Dec 10, 2007 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mack is gone after 09

His most recent extension put in contract ammendments with Lloyd Carr-esqe terms that will allow him to move in to another role and secure his assistants.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 10, 2007 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PB mentioned something

along these lines on EDSBS last night although I think he said Mack's tenure would last from 3 to 5 more years.  

marshalld

by duras on Dec 10, 2007 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mack gone?

Oh please, let it be true

by brentmcd on Dec 10, 2007 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Lets get rid of that no talent hack so we can finally win some games around here.

Two years without a national championship is two years too long.

by Wells on Dec 10, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mack Fan

While I am a big Mack fan (even had my ticket from the Rose Bowl framed, with a picture of Mack and Vince holding up the ball, signed by both, hanging on my wall), I would take Spurrier over him without question.  I will retract my statement if Mack actually demonstrates the ability/willingness to change and improve the program this year.  Don't forget that without Vince, Mack would have 0 BCS games, 0 CC's, and 0 MNC's.  I give him credit for having the sense to take Vince and win it (which I do not believe all coaches could have done), but he certainly would not have won it without VY.  

by Texas Our Texas on Dec 12, 2007 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ditto

amen brother

by brentmcd on Dec 12, 2007 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

And Spurrier would not have a national championship without Wuerffel.

by Wells on Dec 12, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's like saying:

"if Mack didn't recruit such good players, he wouldn't have teams that are as good as they are."

Of course not!  That argument might work in the NFL with a salary cap and minimal to no personnel control by the head coach, but this is college.  the Head Coach has complete control over personnel.  Mack and his assistants recruited Vince Young to come to Texas precisely because he was so good.  And they're the ones who took him from the guy half of the UT fans out there wanted moved to WR all the way to the NCAA leader in passing efficiency.

Yeah, Vince Young was awesome.  Best college player I've ever seen during his junior year.  But it was Mack who brought him to Texas and set up an offensive system in which he could thrive (and oh yeah, got him the 8th ranked defense in the country to complement the offense).

I could just as easily say that if Chris Simms hadn't laid the most gigantic fucking egg in the history of mankind in the first half of the 2001 Big 12 Championship Game, Mack would have 2 conference championships and 2 national championship game appearances (and who knows, maybe 2 crystal balls).  I mean, Mack didn't throw those three interceptions and fumble that ball.

But that's stupid.  You can't separate a coach from his team, either for times when the team does well or when it does poorly.  You have to give him both credit and blame for what this program is and what the team does.  I'm tired of this "whatever good the team does is the playes and whatever bad the team does is the coaches."  It's lazy and self-indulgent.

by billyzane on Dec 12, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i just watch the games....

....that's all i know. and we look like complete crap.  horribly unprepared and unmotivated.  playcalling is absolute shite.  slow adjustments, if any.  we could have (and probably should have) lost to arkansas state, central fl., nebraska, and okie state.  i wonder what all you mack athletic supporters would say if our record was 5-7, which it easily could be!  

f*ck mack brown!  he is a loser.  no eye of the tiger.  you just know bob stoops laughs behind mack's back.  ok, maybe he's not a complete loser.  he wins just enough to keep the suckers satisfied and the dollars flowing.  vince saved his a$$.  wait another couple of years, y'all will figure it out.  i'm through.

by brentmcd on Dec 12, 2007 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis

your reasoned analysis intrigues me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

by Wells on Dec 13, 2007 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong again

That's a great job of completely twisting what I was saying.  

To begin with, what I said was nothing like saying:

"if Mack didn't recruit such good players, he wouldn't have teams that are as good as they are."

I was saying that he squanders the talent he has.  Vince was a freak and an exception.  Mack of course deserves credit for getting Vince, but that is the one successful thing he has done.  If he does it again, then great, but how often does a VY come around? There was no evidence before VY, and there has been no evidence since, that Mack can produce.

I want to thank you for pointing out Sims and the Big 12.  That is a perfect example of a Mack mistake by playing Sims instead of the Major.  Sure, Mack wasn’t throwing those passes, but he put the player in the game who did.  Much like his current personnel choices with Colt and most of the senior defenders.   Mack and his players do have "complete control," and what he has done with that control has been appalling this season (and all others except for 04 and 05).  

And while you cannot separate a coach from his team, you can hold a coach responsible for making bad coaching decisions.  Such as personnel choices, such as play calling, such as not preparing the team adequately for the game.  This is opposed to player mistakes, such as dropping a pass put right in a receiver’s hands.  

I don’t think anyone here, especially me, was trying to say "whatever good the team does is the playes and whatever bad the team does is the coaches."  That interpretation is ignorant and short sighted.  

I think that you must be confused about the difference between unfairly trashing a person, and holding them responsible for their decisions in the light of a $3 mil salary.  The first is quite unfair, the second is not.

And on a separate note, duras was exactly correct in what I meant in my previous post.  I don't want Mack gone...yet.  I just believe he needs to try and fix the problem, or there is no way to say that he is not part of the problem.  

by Texas Our Texas on Dec 12, 2007 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to be clear...

...that I'm not excusing any of the bad coaching decisions that Mack has made since he's been here - and those are myriad.  I think we're closer in belief on this than we think we are.  And I apologize for attacking your post specifically because yours was one of the more measured criticisms.  I was speaking more to the brentmcd's of the world with their "f*ck mack brown!  he is a loser" sentiments.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that the second half of this sentence doesn't mean anything: "I give him credit for having the sense to take Vince and win it, ... but he certainly would not have won it without VY."

And Spurrier wouldn't have won his national championship (which was not in an undefeated season, by the way) without Danny Wuerffel; and Pete Carroll wouldn't have won his national championship without Leinart and Bush; and Tressel wouldn't have won his championship without Maurice Clarett; and Urban Meyer wouldn't have won his national championship without Leak/Tebow.

But so what?  Who cares what would have happened if these coaches didn't have these players?  They DID have these players and in most cases (Meyer being the notable exception), they were responsible for recruiting these players to their schools.  It takes a special group of players all having a special year to win a national championship these days, which is why there aren't too many active coaches with more than 1.  No coach has won multiple BCS championships and if LSU beats OSU this year, that trend will continue.

Look, I understand the sentiment that often Mack doesn't get the most out of his players, I really do.  I agree with it much of the time.  But I think that he also deserves credit for when he does get the most out of his players, and in 2004-2005 he got the most out of them on both sides of the ball and he won a national championship as a result.

by billyzane on Dec 13, 2007 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was just "evaluating"

the situation and said that he thought Mack might be satisfied with what he's accomplished, and withthe prospect of Dodds retirement might be ready to go upstairs to AD.  

I don't thinkg I'd go so far as to say I want Mack gone.  Changes in the staff and attitude yes, but we could certainly do a lot worse.  

marshalld

by duras on Dec 10, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

100% Correct...

EYESofBEVO is spot on. Win or lose, '09 $1.2million longevity bonus and then that's it.

He can continue to draw his $120,000 (as he is now) for acting as chairman of the board of the UT Golf Club.

--- Peter's tired of disabling threads due to the wise-A comments from Wells & BZ, so hopefully they'll refrain from commenting ---

by HornChamps on Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem. Princeton has...

...how many final 4 appearances?

All the chaos notwitstanding PB, you rightly point to the names in the title game, LSU a preseason favorites to be there and tOSU, in "a rebuilding year" to be sure, but hardly a shocking participant.  The other BCS winners:  OU, VTech, WFV and USC, preseason favorites all.  It is true that there is a notable lack of quality at the top, but in the end the names and the game remain the same.  

For my part I hope it generally stays that way.  I loved some of the upsets this year, Stanford over USC first and foremost (the OU losses were nice but not quite that humiliating and the pleasure from tAm's pasting by Miami was somewhat diminished by a certain accident the day after Thanksgiving).  Still the satisfaction to be had from such depends in large part on their rarirty.  Furthermore, the dimunition of their number will indicate greater quality at the top and while chaos has is charms I'd generally prefer to see great teams playing great football (although I'd prefer that they not where crimson or maroon).  

As for playoffs PB, I doubt that we would necessarilly get much different results, however more legitimately we might arrive at such.  Barring injuries, great teams like Texas in 2005 and yes, even USC in 2004 would be very likely to come out on top.  In a year like 2007, however, a playoff would indeed be unpredictable.  

marshalld

by duras on Dec 10, 2007 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand...

The lesson is clear: We're not paying Mack Brown enough money.

Mack just needs to lose all but one or two games a year and he'll be right on top of the list.

by Texasrocks on Dec 10, 2007 11:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Major ass-reaming

That's what I think Ohio State will receive.  I'm thinking something along the lines of a 56-17 final.

by chief on Dec 10, 2007 5:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

WWw/aCSfaD style, baby.

aaaaOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Growing up, I only fed Jared Norton paper. That's why he eats plays.

by Horn Brain on Dec 10, 2007 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LSU Home Field in Sugar

Will be HUGE!  The students will drive 80 miles and the alumni in the state will own the Sugar Bowl.  Ohio State will get killed.  I hope the Big 10 gets another whoopin' put on it so they can be exposed as the second weakest BCS conference (Big East weakest). Voters have to quit giving those Big 10 teams the benefit of the doubt.

Heck, Georgia, Oklahoma, Missouri or Virginia Tech would have made for a better (and more worthy) NC opponent for LSU than tOSU.

none

by RkyMtnHorn on Dec 11, 2007 12:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LSU not so great

In my opinion, I don't think the Tigers are anything special.  They will probably beat Ohio St. owing to the "home field" advantage, but the Buckeyes will be playing with chips on their shoulders and will not get "ass-reamed" as you so eloquently put it.

by bfaut86 on Dec 11, 2007 8:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I sort of agree...

... I think that if tOSU had been in the title game with Michigan instead of Florida last year, tOSU would have their butts handed to them just like last year.  Since everyone is talking about that again this year, though, I have enough respect for Tressel's coaching ability to think that he'll have them prepared this year.  LSU will not have its fuck lion with tOSU's defense like Florida did.  You need Urban Meyer (and Tim Tebow) to do that.  If Dorsey plays more like pre-injury Dorsey, though, I would expect Ohio State to flounder on offense to the tune of less than 200 yards.  I'll take LSU 24-10.  Maybe an insurance touchdown to put it at 31-10.

aaaaaaOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Growing up, I only fed Jared Norton paper. That's why he eats plays.

by Horn Brain on Dec 11, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Case In Point

Randy Edsall at Connecticut.   It's not a basketball school although they've had some success in football and have a multi-million dollar football facility and a new stadium to boot.

He was rumored for Notre Dame and Syracuse two years ago and Michigan and Ga Tech this year.  He is well paid and while he could be a serious big dog at a bigger program...he's got the world by the short and curlies now...

Helluva good coach too.  Never seen anybody get as much out of so little talent-wise.

by DreadedOne on Dec 10, 2007 5:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bohls on Sherman and Mack

Mike Sherman's new deal at Texas A&M, for instance, includes bonuses of $37,500 for reaching the Big 12 title game and the same amount for winning it. My bad, but I thought that's why the Aggies are giving Sherman $1.8 million a year.

This isn't to pick on the Aggies. The Longhorns have similar clauses for Mack Brown, who is paid $2.91 million a year to go to the Holiday Bowl.

I read that yesterday at work and thought that's a lot of money for taking a team to the Alamo and Holiday in back-to-back years

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Dec 11, 2007 7:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mack's buddy

oh, by the way, where's matthew mcconaughey these days?  fair-weather dork.  maybe that's why the horns can't get it up on gameday -- they're missing this fabulous motivational speaker.  

by brentmcd on Dec 11, 2007 4:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No, he's there

Up in his box around the 10 yard line on the students' side.  He is such a piece of shit.  I wish someone would teach that brain-dead Neanderthal how to do the Hook 'em Horns.

by Texas Our Texas on Dec 12, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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