Introduction to the Great Debate: Part One
- The Primary Issue: How should we determine the national champion?
- The Predicate Assumption: We want to determine a national champion because this isn't golf or tennis, damnit.
- The First Underlying Problem with this Issue: Do we know what we want the national champion to be?
- The Second Underlying Problem with this Issue: Do we know what we want the system that determines the national champion to mean, or represent?
- The Ultimate Debate: Which system is the best at determining the national champion according to what we want the national champion to be and what we want that system to represent?

The First Underlying Problem seems straightforward: we want the national champion to be the best team in college football. But there are several ways to look at "best." This gets into the debate between allegedly objective resume rankings vs. unabashedly subjective power polls. (Obviously, resume ranking cannot be entirely objective, but it's probably closer to it than power polls are.) And here is where the first divergence in opinion comes.
- Resume Rankers: believe that the notion of "best" is based on what you have done or not done so far in relation to what everyone else has done or not done so far. This can cause some weird-looking rankings at the beginning of the season, but logical ones towards the end.
- Power Pollsters: believe that the notion of "best" is a subjective analysis based both on what teams have done and the pollster's own opinions on how good each team is according to what cannot be captured in the win-loss column and the margin of victory totals.
- The difference this year: This year, many power pollsters are apt to rank LSU and USC ahead of Ohio State because OSU just lost by 27 points on the big stage while USC and LSU scored blowouts on the big stage against good (UM) or decent (ND) competition. A notion that OSU would lose to USC and LSU would also cause this ranking. Many resume-rankers, though, would put OSU ahead of both LSU and USC because, no matter how badly they lost, they won several very big games and only lost ONCE, as opposed to USC/LSU who both lost twice.
- The difference last year: Resume-rankers and power pollsters unanimously put Texas #1 and USC #2 last year, with one glaring exception. In the BlogPoll, USC blogger Boi from Troy ranked USC #1 because (although USC had lost to Texas) he still believed USC was the "best" team. This is the danger of "power polling," in my opinion.
- The resume ranker looks at the results of the regular season and determines who the best teams are based on those results. The regular season results don't just play heavily into the rankings; they ARE the rankings.
- The power pollster of course pays attention to the regular season results, but then adds in his own subjective analysis of who he THINKS is best.
The Ultimate Debate, Part 1 Now, because the resume ranker determines the "best" teams based on the regular season results, he SHOULD also then be appalled if those results are rendered meaningless by a playoff system that includes loads of 2-loss and even 3-loss teams. If 2- and 3-loss teams are allowed to contend for the national championship, then this most certainly does not jibe with what the resume ranker thinks the national champion should be (i.e. his notion of the "best" team in college football - the team whose overall season results have been the best).
However, the power pollster, because his ranking system is based on mushy, subjective analytic components, is not so sure who the "best" teams in college football are because of the relatively small sample size he has to deal with and the fact that not everyone plays each other. His system of ranking is built heavily on what teams are more "powerful" than others (i.e. who would beat who head to head). Thus, a playoff (preferably a large one) is the ideal solution for the power pollster because it allows him to see these teams all play each other head to head and one team comes out on top, thus making it the "best" (according to the power pollster's notion of the term) team in college football.
So what type of system would the resume ranker want in order to determine the national championship according to his notion of what the "best" team in college football is? There are several options. First is the old bowl system, where the bowls act as merely another resume-enhancing opportunity in an effort to be voted by pollsters as the "best" team in college football and thus the national champion. Second is the BCS, or something similar. That is, the top two teams based on their regular season resumes are pitted against each other in a game, with the winner being declared national champion. Third is a very small tournament (maximum 4 teams) that is put together among the teams with the best 4 regular-season resumes, with the winner being named national champion. Fourth is some combination of the above three options, which I have developed and named the "Flex System." Much more on that one later.
On a purely resume-ranking analytical level, the old bowl system provides the most ideal system for determining the "best" team in college football because it does not insist on the winner of one single game being named the national champion, as the BCS system does. For instance, if the #1 team (A) was undefeated and unchallenged during the regular season, and the #2 team (B) had 2 losses and B won the BCS championship game, B would be the national champion automatically whereas a resume ranker would prefer to take that game into consideration in determining whether a 1-loss A was the "best" team over the course of that entire year over a 2-loss B that beat A.
But determining the "best" team in college football (and indeed figuring out what a national champion should be) is not all that should go into an argument for a certain system of determining that national champion. Hence, the Second Underlying Problem and the Ultimate Debate, Part 2.
The Second Underlying Problem is more oblique than the first: what do we want the system that determines the national champion to mean, or represent? One way to look at this is in relation to other forms of post-season play in other sports. For instance, the college basketball tournament is all about fun and entertainment and appealing to the mass audience, with its upsets and wild, wide-open format. The NFL and NBA are all about making the postseason more important than the regular season. About half the NBA teams make the playoffs and 40% of NFL teams make the playoffs. The NFL playoffs are, obviously, more comparable to college football due to the single elimination and, you know, it's the same sport and all. Once you get in, anything can happen, as evidenced by the Steelers winning the Super Bowl last year. You just have to do enough in the regular season to get in.
Major League Baseball used to be one of the bastions of anti-playoff sentiment. Teams played a 154-game schedule and the team with the best record in the NL played the team with the best record in the AL. Plain as that. It was about crowning the "best" team according the resume ranker's notion of "best." But with expansion, each league first split off into 2 divisions, and the winner of each division played each other for the right to go to the World Series. Then, the each league got split into 3 divisions with a wild card also allowed in the playoffs. By now, teams like the 2003 Marlins and 2006 Cardinals (who only won 84 out of 162 games) are winning the World Series.
Is it more exciting? Undoubtedly. Does it produce a "more deserving" champion? That depends on a how you view things. One of the reasons college football power pollsters want a playoff is the lack of enough games to accurately determine who is the best based on the regular season. With MLB, that's not a problem, so I tend to think that the MLB playoffs actually serve to crown a less deserving champion much more often. MLB's playoff now stands for entertainment more than as a way to figure out the best team between two leagues that don't play each other that much. College Football is today like MLB was before it went to the Division system. Games are played and the two teams with the best resumes are put in the national championship game/World Series. The method for determining the best resume is different because of the nature of the games, but it's resume ranking nonetheless. But this is not the MLB system any longer.
So essentially it boils down to the following questions. Do we want the college football postseason system to be one that serves itself (just get in and anything can happen) or serves the regular season results? Do we want a system that caters to a wider fan base by being more exciting? Should that be a consideration at all? Should we develop a postseason system in order to make the regular season more interesting or just to determine the national champion?
The crux of all of these questions is, do we want our system of determining a national champion to be designed solely for the purpose of determining that, or do we want to design it to also have other effects that we deem positive for the sport? Some examples of other effects we might want are: a) making regular season games more exciting, b) encouraging teams to schedule better OOC games, or c) increasing the fan base and television revenues. An analysis of this question in relation to the several postseason systems is below.
The Ultimate Debate, Part 2 According to a resume ranker, the most ideal system for determining the national champion, according to his notion of what that is, is the old Bowl System. But as I said above, that's not all that goes into it. The problem of what we want the system to mean, or represent is also a factor. And while some (Kyle from Dawg Sports has argued this point in the past) will say that the Bowl system worked just fine at determining the national champion and that there were actually multiple championship games some years with that system, you can also argue that it's confusing to the lay viewer and isn't very exciting at all. There is no EVENT showcasing college football.
There has to be some sort of balancing between devising a college football postseason system in order to determine the "best" national champion (according to whatever criteria you might have) and devising that system in order to accomplish other tangentially related goals. I believe that having a showcase for college football is important. Thus, while I am a resume ranker, and believe that the bowl system would do just fine at determining the national champion, I realize the need for a showcase and believe that a well-designed system can be just as effective under the resume ranking ethos at determining the national champion while also providing an exciting showcase that brings in new fans and creates an EVENT.
However, I believe that these secondary reasons for certain postseason systems cannot be made primary. I have heard one too many arguments for a playoff that consist of "it will encourage strong Out-of-Conference scheduling." That's great for you if strong OOC scheduling is what you want, but the primary reason behind devising a system for determining the national champion should be to determine the most ideal system for doing just that. Making the argument that a certain system is the best possible system for determining the national champion because it will be more exciting for more teams and encourage strong OOC scheduling is a terrible argument if it would also crown an undeserving champion. Don't make the secondary reason your primary argument or your argument will fail.
One more point on what we want the postseason system to represent. I personally do not want the postseason to consume the regular season. I don't want it to be the main part of the college football season. I want it to be a capper on the regular season. If you think the postseason should be a playoff because it's "settled on the field" then let's just do a 120-team tournament starting in week one with the winners advancing in the brackets and a series of consolation games for the losers, and that'll be the season. Then it will REALLY be decided on the field. This is my main problem with the 16-team tournament (and, obviously, bigger versions). It will consume the regular season to the point that, while there will be more teams involved in the postseason and thus more excitement for those teams, the results of the regular season will not matter as much. You lose twice or thrice, no big deal. It ends the week-in, week-out life or death mentality of college football. Is that what you want your postseason system to be about? Squeezing the life out of the regular season for the benefit of the playoffs, like in the NBA or college basketball? That's not a college football system I want any part of. But maybe you do. It's certainly a debatable point.
Coming next time: An explanation of what I think is the ideal system for determining the national champion is (hint: I conceived it, named it, and therefore won't shut up about it).
--BZ--
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before i even start
by Jason Mayer on Feb 14, 2007 10:59 AM CST 0 recs
Legally Speaking
by TarHorn on
Feb 14, 2007 12:52 PM CST
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the problem
And that's an example of common opponents. Most of the time, the situations are a lot more complex. In a sport where most teams don't play each other, an end-of-year playoff becomes even more important because there's no better way to determine which teams are superior.
Plus, the regular season really only comes down to 2 or 3 "make-or-break" games a year. And that becomes the season, rather than a week-in-week-out mentality. With a 8- or even 16-team playoff, none of the importance of the regular season goes away. In fact, it's ratcheted up for more teams because one loss isn't going to absolutely derail your chances. Once a team loses, the regular season games take on even more importance rather than interest dwindling due to the resigned fact that you have to settle for a middling bowl.
by Jason Mayer on Feb 14, 2007 11:20 AM CST 0 recs
i know it's not entirely objective
and i agree (and again, admitted it in the post) that more teams have more at stake in the regular season in a system with a ton of teams in the postseason. but i think the RESULTS are devalued. if you lose 2 times, it's obviously nto as good as if you went undefeated, but you still get in the playoffs. and furthermore, as I said, I don't think we should design our system a certain way because it would make more teams happy. i think we should do it to produce the best champion.
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 11:38 AM CST
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There are so many things to say here
But, one argument is on your last point. a 8/12/16 team playoff would NOT suck the life out of the regular season. If anything, it would ADD life to the regular season for every team other than the top 5. Teams with 1 or 2 losses early in the season would still be watching their teams with your so-called "Life or Death" mentality instead of checking out next year's recruiting class and talking about which Crappy Bowl they're team is going to. Teams with 1-2-3 losses late in the season still have a shot at the National Title!!! There would literally be 20-30 teams fans watching every second of every game down the stretch hoping their team doesn't blow a shot at the tourney. And watching OTHER Teams games with a rooting interest in the winner. That would be Awesome.
The last 3 weeks we would be talking about Bubble teams, and rivalry games at the end of the season would have more meaning for most teams than they even do now. Maybe not for the top 2 or 3 teams, but for the next 25 teams in the rankings.
"Nationwide" it would creat MORE excitement over the regular season because you don't have to finish 1 or 2 to be in the National Title chase.
But like I said, I disagree with you in so many ways, I just don't have time to do a term-paper on this right now.
by SwimTexas on Feb 14, 2007 11:35 AM CST 0 recs
you misinterpret
and you really want a 3-loss national champion? i get queasy at the thought of a 2-loss national champion.
by billyzane on Feb 14, 2007 11:53 AM CST 0 recs
The problem with you arguement
by Wells on
Feb 14, 2007 12:46 PM CST
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i understand this
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 1:28 PM CST
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A 3 loss national champion...
I just don't understand anyone who feels otherwise.
2nd, I did not misinterpret. It is not just more exciting for teams 5-25. It is more important for teams 5-25. A spot in the tourney is more valuable to them than (under current system) a BCS or upper level bowl, therefore their remaining games become more significant - more important. My point was, It only becomes less important for the top 5.
by SwimTexas on Feb 14, 2007 12:41 PM CST 0 recs
I just don't understand anyone who feels otherwise
by BrooklynHorn on
Feb 14, 2007 1:25 PM CST
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The reason..
Say a 3-loss Arkansas team makes it in to a 16 team playoff as the 14th seed. They beat LSU in the 1st round, immediately are embraced by the public as a cinderella. then they beat WVU to make it to the final four. Then USC to make it to the Sugar Bowl (or whatever). Nobody would question their "Right" to play in that game. And then if they beat OSU or Mich or whoever to win the title, that would be... incredible. And they would be true National Champions.
Thats what I want. There is no substitute for that. Like I said before... right now we have a "Mythical National Champion". I want an actual National Champion. How can anyone want anything other than that?
I just don't get it. You can write all the incredibly lengthy and obviously well-thought out (however mis-guided)posts that you want. I just don't get it.
by SwimTexas on Feb 14, 2007 1:00 PM CST 0 recs
So long as...
This whole issue is nuanced, and you're glossing over that, SwimTexas. The Razorback champ above would still be a Mythical National Champ. They'd just have been crowned differently.
by PB @ BON on
Feb 14, 2007 1:05 PM CST
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But, to a larger issue, we seem to all be in agreement that the term "best team" is an impossible standard that relies too much on subjective opinions. So why strive so hard to try to create a format that even attempts to determine the undeterminable?
At least with a playoff, the team that emerges unscathed has proven its ability to beat the best competition, and, as Red Blooded pointed out below, takes most of the guesswork out of the situation.
Performance on the field against the teams others are arguing for has to matter at some point. Otherwise college football is reduced to an academic exercise full of blustery talking heads. Oh wait, we're there already.
by Jason Mayer on
Feb 14, 2007 2:15 PM CST
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Well,
Also, SwimTexas says that a 3-loss team triumphing in the end could be seen as a team that has overcome injuries and "righted the ship". But couldn't injuries and such also be a reason for a team tripping up at the end after being invincible all year long? Why does the end of the season automatically get to carry so much more weight than the rest of it? And why would we willingly cut down our sample size for determining the 'National Champion' and focus just on a handful of contests (the playoffs)?
by Ryan on
Feb 14, 2007 2:36 PM CST
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end of season
by Jason Mayer on
Feb 14, 2007 2:49 PM CST
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Response
The real distinction between basing a National Champion off of "resumes" vs. basing it off a tournament is that reasonable minds might disagree with the results of the former but never the latter.
The three win Arkansas might not be the "best team in the nation" but they would be the "team that won the Tournament that determines the National Champion".
I would caution against presuming that annointing "The Best Team In CFB" is a worthwhile goal. In fact, the entire reason this debate persists annually is because so often the results of that fool's errand are disputed between reasonable minds.
Do reasonable minds disagree about who won the Superbowl?
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 2:56 PM CST
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Note
I'd also note that if you concede that there is no plausible way to get to "best team," that playoff v. no playoff simply becomes a matter of taste, to some degree.
All reasons why the issue should be hashed out as we're doing it now; I think there's room for very reasonable men to disagree on what's actually in the best interest of the sport here. Certainly FAR more than you hear from many proponents of each side.
I, for one, can't decide how I feel about a playoff. I think it's preferable, but there are some downsides, and there aren't any slam dunk reasons why a switch is necessary.
by PB @ BON on
Feb 14, 2007 3:02 PM CST
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I dont know if I agree with you there
by Wells on
Feb 14, 2007 3:08 PM CST
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Fair points.
If equivocating abounds then it does for both proponents and opponents of playoffs, though. "Resume" doesn't judge which team is the "Best" (perhaps it more accurately captures that concept, perhaps it doesn't), it just judges which team has a "Better Resume". A defense of Resume or status quo that depends on it capturing "Betterness" needs to prove that it actually does so. And given the persistence of this debate I do not think it does.
I agree that how one feels about this is largely influenced by one's tastes -- I enjoy playoffs more than not-playoffs for its inclusivity, among other things. But there are other reasons for preferring playoffs over not-playoffs, one of which I've mentioned here: namely that it decides something that cannot be challenged by reasonable minds, whereas the current system infrequently produces results that are disputable. Perhaps when we say that "it is decided on the field" we don't mean "Betterness" so much as we mean "Something". Because sometimes College Football Champions aren't decided on the field at all but rather disputably decided by what happens with a vote, because Resume alone produces multiple "Bests" among reasonable minds. Because Playoffs are ordered and have a clear and identifiable champion, perhaps it is a better method for determining Champions, if only because the result is undisputed.
I absolutely positively agree. I do think that, regardless of outcome, the Sport of College Football will be just fine.
This is the most important point and perhaps the one that leads to the most unnecessary hyperbole. People often claim that Playoffs or else Not-Playoffs will lead to the decline or end of CFB. This is of course hysterical as many sports survive quite fine with Playoffs and this particular one has more-than-survived without. While annually millions of CFB fans sit around grumbling about the BCS or the "M" in "MNC", we all support the sport year after year. My involvement in College Football has increased over the years, suggesting that, despite my dissolution with the King-Making process, the real reason I watch College Football is because I just really like The Weather.
Is the Sport at stake in this debate? Of course not. At most the amount of people truly "harmed" by a disputed result are the fans of one or two teams, and those same fans will return boisterously the following year to cheer for their team whether they are Split Champions or Undefeated Giants that were one-and-done'd in a playoffs. If anyone says that playoffs (or not) is make or break to them as a fan, then they're probably being melodramatic. Are we really going to stop watching this blasted game? I've never met anyone who put their money where their mouth was when complaining about the BCS or NFL Playoffs.
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 3:22 PM CST
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I don't know the difference between
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 3:23 PM CST
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120 Team playoff is impossible
The regular season and limited playoff work well because they have each other. One extreme or the other don't work as well. This also applies to the idea of cutting down sample size by focusing on the playoffs. It is true that if you let in too many teams that the regular season has limited meaning and you are in effect limiting your sample size, but the same can be said by not having playoffs or limiting it to two teams. By have limited number of teams make the playoffs you have made the entire regular season important to more teams and allowed for a empirical test to name your champion rather than relying on opinion.
The end of the season carries more weight because that is where great players are defined. The players we consider the greatest have the ability to step up their game come playoff time. It is one of the best things about sports.
by Wells on
Feb 14, 2007 2:59 PM CST
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Impossible?
And hey, why not have the playoffs BEFORE the 'regular season'? We could use it to reduce (or divide into tiers) the field, before embarking on a round-robin, single table format to determine a champion. Honestly, I don't know if this would be ideal or not, but I'm weary of almost everyone (such as Red Blooded) simply accepting playoffs as the ultimate and final means of crowning a winner. I realize playoffs are as American as fast food, SUV's, and corporate mergers, but we can still question it, right?
I will say though that your call for balance is most reasonable. In a limited playoff (say...8 teams?), the recent Michigan-Ohio St. contest might have lost some of its national title implications, but I guess it still would have had weight in regards to seeding and traditional rivalry, while several other teams would have fought to the end for a playoff spot.
However, I still prefer the bowl system and a singular 1 v. 2 game. Simply my preference, though. Besides, as HornsFan says, is the switch to a playoff format really required? Is college football in so a desperate a position? I personally feel that it's doing just fine and I enjoy how it's more than just NFL Lite. But again, that's just my preference.
by Ryan on
Feb 14, 2007 3:57 PM CST
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a qualification
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 4:02 PM CST
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Right back at you.
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 4:04 PM CST
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Agreed
by Ryan on
Feb 14, 2007 4:06 PM CST
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You make some good points, but...
by rezboscace on
Feb 14, 2007 1:27 PM CST
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Counselor,
by ouALWAYSsux on Feb 14, 2007 1:45 PM CST 0 recs
Best Team vs. National Champion
The entire nightmare linguistic argument about "Mythical" National Champions only applies to CFB because the process used to determine National Champions in this particular sport actually seeks to determine objectively, through subjective methods, the "Best Team In the Nation". Whereas most sports don't concern themselves with what is probably a trivial matter. Who cares that the Cardinals weren't the best regular season baseball team? Who cares that the Steelers were an unlikely Superbowl winner? Is it important that these teams be the "undeniably, objective 'best' team" in their respective sports? No, the Cardinals were just the team that won the World Series and the Steelers were just the team that won the Superbowl. That's it. Nothing else is proven by Superbowls or World Series except that these teams won Superbowl and World Series.
What a postseason can prove, however, is that the "Best Regular Season Team" might only be so because of small sample size. If an underdog can win a postseason through a series of remarkable wins, ostensibly at least one coming against a team that is "Undeniably Better Than Them According To Resume", then it proves in small part that resumes are imperfect measures due to the scantiness of data.
Playoffs take the guess work out of it. The team that finishes on top of the world might not be the "Best", but that distinction isn't important in sports besides College Football -- and likely only important in College Football because we are forced to guess at the "National Champion" based on a concept of "Bestness".
In my opinion, Playoffs are preferable not because they are better arbitrators of "The Best Team In College Football", but rather because they make this infinitely disputed (and ultimately unresolved) accolade meaningless.
by Red Blooded on Feb 14, 2007 1:47 PM CST 0 recs
good points, but...
The goal, I think, should be to merge these two together to the point that the majority of the time, the "best team" is also the "national champion." I believe that the most effective way to do this is to take the results of the regular season and narrow down as much as possible the potential "best teams" the only way you really can -- according to their resumes -- and then have a small tournament (no more than 4), the winner of which is the national champion. this accomplishes my goal.
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 3:06 PM CST
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I hear where you're coming from
by Red Blooded on
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i'm sympathetic to the desire for inclusion
however, i think that we should effect this change in areas other than the system of determining the national champion. i think that the system for determining the national champion shouldn't be drastically changed just because it would add more hope for more teams. Somehow standardizing spending on football programs would have this same effect without messing with who ends up national champion. Or something to that effect.
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 3:37 PM CST
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i thought
by Jason Mayer on
Feb 14, 2007 3:54 PM CST
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come on man...
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 3:59 PM CST
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sorry :)
by Jason Mayer on
Feb 14, 2007 4:36 PM CST
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Also...
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 3:31 PM CST
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it does increase sample size
if you narrow down the group who can be considered for the national championship to 4 or less teams, then you can feel comfortable saying that the team who came out on top at the end had the best SEASON.
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 3:42 PM CST
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Did that even happen this year?
by Wells on
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that's not true
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 3:56 PM CST
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It's not about me insisting
The current system isn't perfect, but in many (most?) years it produces an intuitive and indisputable National Champion. I think playoffs aren't all that much different. A 3-loss team is unlikely to win the National Championship, and if they do they could very easily develop the resume to sway a decision in their favor. Winning more games than another team isn't an ultimate judgment of one team's supreriority over another by Resume either, or else Boise State would be the current (Mythical) National Champion. Right?
My general criticism is of this ideal of ensuring that at the end of the year the most reasonable minds agree about whether the "Best" team won. That's all "Bestness" is right now, anyways. The Longhorns were the National Champions in 2005 because legitimate arguments could not be presented against them. The current legitimacy of a champion is little more than how reasonable or unreasonable their claim to Championship is challenged by reasonable minds. If you institute a system that forces a decision one way or the other no matter what, then no team's legitimate claim towards Championship can ever be challenged. Were the 4 loss Colts better than the 3 loss Chargers? Who cares! The Colts won the Superbowl. Their respective resumes doesn't invade or depreciate anything that happened because the NFL has a persistent culture of determining the winner definitively. We have this debate in CFB annually not because the sport itself is unique, but rather because the current system produces (infrequent) bizarre results. If "Bestness" is really just an absence of arguments against, then a playoff better captures that than anything currently proposed or conceived in the Sports World.
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 4:01 PM CST
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good stuff
by billyzane on
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That would seem to me
by Red Blooded on
Feb 14, 2007 4:15 PM CST
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Winner of playoff not subjective?
by BrooklynHorn on
Feb 15, 2007 12:00 PM CST
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this is true
by billyzane on
Feb 15, 2007 12:36 PM CST
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Responding to both:
Whatever else can be said of the current system, it is not indisputable. Split Champions occur, and many deserving Champions are questioned after their crowning. Admitting that any method used to determine the "Best" is necessarily subjective drives me to a system that makes a decision against one that infrequently doesn't.
by Red Blooded on
Feb 15, 2007 5:06 PM CST
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No
by Wells on
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What if Texas lost to just Ohio State and Oklahoma this year and a school like Louisville only had one loss, which came against an unranked team at home early in the season? And suppose similar quality wins for both teams. Who's better? If you end up rewarding Louisville for the better overall season, it becomes more of a reward for an easier schedule.
It's an extreme example, I know. And further proof that these hypotheticals can go on and on. But it attempts to show that if you limit the sample size too much, it can result in nefarious results for the intended goal. The same is true of the other extreme. But I feel like a one-loss team ranked sixth, or a two-loss team with close losses ranked seventh has proven enough during the season.
by Jason Mayer on
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this is a good point
but i believe that, except in very rare circumstances, a 2-loss team should never be considered to have had the "best season" such as that term incorporates the post-season. that may be arbitrary, but sure you agree that the line has to be drawn somewhere, right? we can't have 5-loss national champions, right? now, i know a 5-loss team would never get into a serious post-season tournament, but the point is still good. there has to be a cutoff. I made a cutoff (though it's not concrete) at 2 losses. it's debatable whether it should be somewhere else.
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 4:20 PM CST
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You're right
That's why I made the argument about the sample size potentially being too small. And an arbitrary cutoff at record could potentially have the same damaging effects that the BCS currently provides - cupcake nonconference schedules. I know that ventures into a far different aspect of the debate, but I think the point has at least a little bearing on how to determine a national champion.
by Jason Mayer on
Feb 14, 2007 4:34 PM CST
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tomorrow
in part 2, I lay out my system and go year by year to show how the system play out each year. this past year, there would have been a 3-team playoff with michigan playing florida and then the winner playing ohio state. alternatively, if Boise St. had been ranked a little higher at the end of the year (which they may have been if the system had been in place when people were voting), then it would have been a 4-team playoff with BSU as the #4 seed.
we can debate the merits of my system tomorrow after you read the whole thing, but I just wanted to show you that the arbitrary cutoff doesn't usually put undeserving teams into a playoff over deserving teams.
by billyzane on
Feb 14, 2007 4:41 PM CST
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yeah
by Jason Mayer on
Feb 14, 2007 4:47 PM CST
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