Go Time: Your Top -50- Longhorns Of The Last -50- Years

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 12:39 AM CDT in Basketball

We're ready to start taking the players we've discussed and begin the process of sorting out an actual list. Since we started having this discussion, I've begun thinking more and more about how the list should actually look. I scrapped my original idea to compile a list of the top forty players of all time, and instead focus on Texas Longhorn football in the modern era. No matter what we choose as our criteria, the list is going to be somewhat arbitrary, but we have to set parameters of some kind.

In the end, I think the list that makes the most sense is the "Top 50 Longhorn Football Players Of The Last 50 Years." It's unfortunate that we won't be able to include Bobby Layne, but there are some compelling reasons for keeping this list to players of the last fifty years. I've done a lot of research, and I've taken into consideration all the input from you guys. Here's where we stand:

There are currently 38 players who I consider locks for the list. In my estimation, there are 25 additional players who need to be sorted out for the remaining 12 spots. Here's your chance to make your case for "your guys." Obviously, being able to make a substantive argument about a player's merits, as opposed to just noting how "badass he was" is more helpful.

Without further adieu, here's what we've got.

Locks
2000s
Justin Blalock
Casey Hampton
Michael Huff
Derrick Johnson
Nathan Vasher
Roy Williams
Vince Young

1990s
Phil Dawson
Ricky Williams
Tony Brackens
Dan Neil

1980s
Doug Dawson
Kenneth Sims
Tony Degrate
Jerry Gray
Eric Metcalf
Terry Tausch

1970s
Eddie Phillips
Earl Campbell
Bill Atessis
Raymond Clayborne
Russell Erxleben
Scott Henderson
Johnnie Johnson
Roosevelt Leaks
Jerry Sisemore
Johnnie "Lam" Jones

1960s
Scott Appleton
Chris Gilbert
Glen Halsell
Tommy Nobis
James Saxton
Cotton Speyrer
James Street
Steve Worster
Bob Wuensch
Bob McKay

1957-59
Bobby Lackey

And now for the remaining players in the conversation for the final twelve spots...

2000s Cedric Benson, Leonard Davis, Chris Simms, Major Applewhite, David Thomas
1990s Kwame Cavil, Pat Fitzgerald, Shaun Rogers, James Brown, Bryant Westbrook, Mike Adams, Blake Brockemeyer, Stanley Richard
1980s Britt Hager
1970s Steve McMichael, Bob Simmons, Doug English, Alan Lowry, Brad Shearer
1960s Tommy Ford, Jim Bertelson, Bill Bradley, Leo Brooks, Emmett Carlisle, Pete Lammons

Now that we've got all the names out here, the relevant questions:

(1) Do you disagree with anyone currently in the top 38?
(2) Are there any names not listed above that demand consideration for the final fifty?
(3) Who you got for the last twelve spots?

[Readers note: A lot of these names may be unfamiliar to you - especially the players in the 1960s and 1970s. I urge you to look up names you don't know before chiming in. Think of it this way: if you're anything like me, you've been telling yourself for years that you're finally going to become a better student of Longhorn football history so that you can appreciate all of Texas' great teams over the years. Here's your chance to learn some of the names that define this program's history and tradition in the modern football era.]

--PB--

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old timers

shouldn't bobby layne be on there?

and i'm not really sure about this one, but what kind of player was tom landry back in the day?

by Vice President Coco on Apr 2, 2007 1:52 AM CDT 0 recs

As noted in the text

Layne played before 1957...

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 8:03 AM CDT up 0 recs

reading comprehension

that's why i failed the taas test.

by Vice President Coco on Apr 2, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

Lane

I thought of Lane also, but I think this is supposed to cover the last 50 years, so it would depend on when Lane was at UT. Was it prior to 1957?

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Apr 2, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up 0 recs

Voting

Mike Adams

Set the records until Roy came along...and did so on some pretty bad Texas teams

Bryant Westbrook

Just watch film of any hit he made

Major Applewhite

He may not have broken all the QB records, but some credit should be given to a guy who could 'rally the troops' like that.
How many other former Horns (other than VY) still have t-shirts being sold & worn on campus?

by Shake on Apr 2, 2007 7:59 AM CDT 0 recs

My Twelve Apostles

Major Applewhite

Pat Fitzgerald

Shaun Rogers

James Brown

Bryant Westbrook

Mike Adams

Blake Brockemeyer

Steve McMichael

Brad Shearer

Tommy Ford

Bill Bradley

I can't decide on the 12th slot between Cavil and Simms. Cavil's legacy is tarnished, but his talent and production were unbelievable. Simms was the goat in so many big games, but was also undeniably talented, and one of the biggest recruiting coups of Mack's career. He also suffered because of how poorly the QB controversy was handled by Mack and Davis, which was more his father's fault than his own. But I'd really have to hold my nose to vote him in that final spot.

Officially a Limey Longhorn

by patienthornsfan on Apr 2, 2007 8:57 AM CDT 0 recs

simms

I'm not sure if he belongs on this list either (although, my initial response would be that he does). And I know it's the popular opinion around here, but I only remember one game where he was the "goat."

While the importance of that game can not be understated...does he really deserve that reputation?

by Jason Mayer on Apr 2, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

For me it isn't

the "goat" factor (got over that a long time ago), so much as him lacking notable game accomplishments.
Outside of the stat book, what exactly did he do?
Sure, some of the stats will get you on the ballot, but I think his resume has some holes that don't get him in.

I'm not a Simms basher. In fact I've actually grown to like the guy. But I don't think stats alone deserve top 40 consideration.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Apr 2, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up 0 recs

Goat

I'm thinking of the infamous Colorado game, of course, but also at least one, probably two OU games, a Tech game, hell I'd even blame him for the loss at Stanford!

:-)

Officially a Limey Longhorn

by patienthornsfan on Apr 2, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

re: goat

I don't think I would put all the blame for either loss to OU on Simms (although more for the 14-3 loss than the 35-24 loss). And I don't think he gave up over 600 yards of offense to Tech, but I'll have to double check his defensive stats on that one.

by Jason Mayer on Apr 2, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

was it really 600 yards??????

Damn, I was in Ruidoso playin golf and losing money at the casino missing the game, including stats.....
just remember we lost and I was drunk..........

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah

Just imagine being at that game, sitting in a sea of Tech idiots. I think Kingsbury had nearly 500 yards passing.

by Jason Mayer on Apr 2, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah, i was there too

sitting in the tech student section. i put my jacket on after the game to cover up my texas shirt because i thought they might beat me to death with sticks. and tortillas.

yes, simms threw an interception near the red zone in the last few minutes of the game, but as the story has been told many times, the receiever ran the wrong route. simms put the ball where it was supposed to be. the offense was actually very very good that game. the problem was that seemingly every defensive player we had either didn't make the trip because of injury or got injured during the game. simms was hardly the goat.

there's a tendency to blame every loss of that era on simms, but it's ridiculous. a lot of it was those carl reese soft defenses.

by billyzane on Apr 2, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

The Problem with Major.

No way was Major in the top 5 QB's of the last 50 years. The dude was to short, completed way to many clutch passes that if he was any good we would never have been in that situation to begin with.

I got sick and tired of the fact that the team believed in him and his worthless abilities. The little fuck probably wants to be a fucking head coach someday. Like he's the smartest ,most knowledgable QB in UT history. I sure hope he never ever replaces M.Brown 10 years from now.

The UT memoribilla people will probably have never stopped making T-Shirts excetera about him. If it wasn't for Sir Vince, the little fuck just might be the most admired UT Football player of all time (Excuses to Earl and Ricky).

Don't you dare put this little shit on your list PB

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 9:08 AM CDT 0 recs

oOOOOhhhh Kaayy

Any particular reason for your disliking him?

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Apr 2, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up 0 recs

Sorry, I can't talk right now

my tongue is caught in my cheek.

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

Got it

my sarcasm button is on "off" this morning.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Apr 2, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

LOL, Mondays are usually a bitch for me at work.

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up 0 recs

ehhhh! you are kidding, right?

Major, Vince and KD are my favorite longhorns! I don't freaking care if KD and Major didn't win championships. It was FUN to watch them play, and I mean FUN. Players DID believe in him and rally behind him.

And about being a head coach, all due respect, but shut your face! He is 28 years old and he is the offensive coordinator for Nick Saban who could have ANYONE. He is the man, and I hope when Mack wins his nth MNC and decides to retire, Major becomes the head coach...

by Cyrus on Apr 2, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

ahhhhhhhhhh you need to look up "sarcasm"

in the dic.

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

sorry

damn! Should have known!

by Cyrus on Apr 3, 2007 1:46 AM CDT up 0 recs

LOL

I tried to be like Kahuna for a day and it worked a little.
Kahuna gets me all the time..........

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 3, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up 0 recs

Haha

The key is to note how much cursing ouAs does in the original post. He never swears like that in his regular commentary.

I was cracking up by the end of the post, but I guess I spend too much time reading this site and knowing its regular commenters...

So take that.

by Kahuna on Apr 2, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

ty

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

now get back to

"fucking work" Kah...............

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

A vote for KD

Great idea. Let's vote Durant onto the team. Maybe it will convince him to return. What a receiver he would be! Harold Carmichael with speed.

by Caradoc on Apr 2, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

Top Longhorns

I like players who got the most out of what they had. As someone who attended UT in the mid and late '60's, James Street is my all-time favorite. I recall someone, perhaps DKR, say "Street is not that great a passer, he's not that great a runner, about all he can do is win." I also recall how good he was at getting the team fired up in the huddle. Another player who entered UT the same year as I did was "Super Bill" Bradley, who was supposed to be one of the greatest QB's ever, but proved a great disappointment in that position. After a couple of years the coaches figured out he was a pretty good defensive back, but in no way would I put him in the top 50 (or even 250). Another favorite player who wasn't fast or flashy but always seemed to come though in the clutch was Pat Fitzgerald. Finally I certainly feel Applewhite deserves to be on the list for all those exciting come-backs he led. Had he not have to constantly battle the "Golden Kid" Simms, his stats would have been even better.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Apr 2, 2007 9:09 AM CDT 0 recs

I would throw in

James Brown, who I have been campaigning for. Put up his stats and big game wins against anybody's, aside from Vince and Street. It seems by any reasonable criteria he should be in.

Also, without a doubt Steve "Mongo" McMichael should be there. IMO he needs to be a lock.
http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/m...

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/F...

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Apr 2, 2007 9:18 AM CDT 0 recs

mongo

McMichael should definitely be a lock. Although, I'm still not sold on James Brown.

by Jason Mayer on Apr 2, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

list

If you don't put Major on this list, you're going to have hundreds of pouty, whiny, angry, and despondent Major fanboys on your hands. That could be a scary thing.

by Jason Mayer on Apr 2, 2007 9:19 AM CDT 0 recs

I'm already on the list as being despondent.

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up 0 recs

i don't understand

how cedric benson could not be a lock. he's like #4 or 5 on the all-time rushing list in college football history. if the argument against simms is that he benefitted greatly from having so many phenomenal players around him, then wasn't Benson one of those phenomenal players?

by billyzane on Apr 2, 2007 9:51 AM CDT 0 recs

My feeling

is that Cedric's career is viewed as fairly pedestrian. However, that isn't to say that he wasn't a Super Pedestrian. Unfortunately, he submitted workman-like performances day out and day in and wasn't terribly "sexy" overall. He never broke out for any 300 yard games and only had 3 200-yard rushing games total. He's not on the top ten "longest runs" list, meaning he never had a run for 80 or more yards.

Maybe Cedric suffers from comparison to Ricky's heroics, but for one reason or another he just doesn't stand out enough to be in the Top 50.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Apr 2, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

i understand the criticism of cedric

but i don't buy including vasher and 2 kickers as locks over cedric. i remember vasher being a mediocre cover guy who had a nose for the ball and got a lot of interceptions.

now, i know cedric didn't have a lot of huge games or even years, but this isn't a list of the greatest individual years; it's the greatest careers as Longhorns. who cares if he had an individual run over 80 yards? cedric should be recognized for his whole career, in which he amassed more yards than anyone in the history of longhorn football other than Ricky. and he's like 4th or 5th in the history of college football. if he only started for 2 years, then maybe not. but he started for four and the production has to be taken into account.

it might be that i'm just being dense here, but i cannot comprehend how cedric benson would not make this list.

by billyzane on Apr 2, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

He probably will

It's not a slam dunk, given the amazing tradition at running back at this university, but he had a very, very good career at Texas.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up 0 recs

Are we doing "greatest careers as Longhorns?"

I don't remember including the "career" term in the original criteria.

I generally fall into the overly-critical of Benson camp. He benefitted from 4 years (at least 3 very solid ones) as a featured back, which is why he is so high up on teh NCAA charts. Like BZ & Kahuna said, his great performances were limited (although he was always solid). I always thought he was a me-first kinda guy, like Roy Williams or Chris Simms. (by the way, I am not referring to that silly OU/Heisman comment - I thought that was blown way out of proportion).

I never thought of Beson as a dominant runner in the same vein as Ricky, or Earl. However, he was consistent for 4 years. His steady 150yds each Saturday probably merit inclusion on the list.

The year that Ricky won the Heisman, he was head and shoulders better than anyone in college football. You just couldn't contain him for an entire 4 quarters. A good over/under would have been about 250. Benson's would have been about 1/2 that.

by Brandon 97 on Apr 2, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not about feelings

If you look at Benson's numbers for his career he beats Earl Campbell in many categories. He scored 24 touchdowns more than Campbell. That alone should put him on the list.
Benson gained over a thousand yards every season. Earl Campbell only had 2 seasons over 1000. Benson largest single season yardage total was 1834 was bested only by 2 seasons by Ricky Williams. Earl Campbell's best was 1744. The year, 2004 that Benson ran 1834 he was competing with Vince Young who ran for 1079. Benson could have had a chance to break Ricky Williams single season rushing record that season if VY hadn't been QB.
Cedric Benson ran more, scored more and took more punishment than Earl Campbell and was more durable. Benson was the second best RB Texas has produced according to the numbers, that should put him on the list.

xerxes

by Xerxes on Apr 2, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

Lets see..........

Benson had some help because the LB's were keying on VY.........the offense was more diversified for Benson's time.

When Earl played,they stacked the line on every play because passing was almost not thought of back then. I mean 8-9 guys within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage.

Nothing against Benson and his record, I enjoyed every TD he scored....Benson also made some pretty nice blocks for VY, especially on the first score against Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

If he's on the list, I'll support it 100%.......
I just hope that the top 50 has some D-Line and O-line representation. You shouldn't have a skill position player 4th string knocking out a 1st or 2nd string lineman.

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

The Benson Problem

Cedric Benson's problem (for this list) isn't his production, which was outstanding and, most importantly (as noted), steady.

The problem is that Texas has been Tailback University over the last fifty years. Among the players I consider "locks" are Ricky Williams, Eric Metcalf (you can't overlook his one of a kind special teams contributions), Earl Campbell, Roosevelt Leaks, Chris Gilbert, James Saxton, and Steve Worster.

Benson, for all his excellent numbers, was never a part of a conference title-winning team, let alone a national title winner. Are we going to add an eighth running back to the list? We could, but this is why it's not a slam dunk. Benson accumulated some outstanding numbers in an offensive era, surrounded by outstanding passing talent. He was a very, very good Longhorn. Probably top fifty, but it's close.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

As much as I love Benson

I have a hard time taking issue with this rationale.

It shows how strong that position has been at Texas.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Apr 2, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

the mere fact

that there happen to have been a lot more great RB's than great WR's or QB's at texas shouldn't exclude someone from being on a top 50 list that is made regardless of position. if you were making a 2-deep or 3-deep, then fine. cedric doesn't make the list. but i don't think the number of people at a given position should be restricted arbitrarily.

obviously, it's your list PB, do what you want. but that's my opinion based on the way i've read what you've written about how you're constructing the list.

by billyzane on Apr 2, 2007 8:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Won't

I'm not saying that the depth at running back keeps him OFF the list; I'm saying it adds a certain context to his career. Context that keeps him from being "automatic."

For what it's worth, I was a big fan of Benson.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

in a weird way

on some level this gets us back to the playoff debate. i believe there's some notion of "best" that we can come close to ascertaining just by compiling data (statistical, anecdotal, or otherwise). you (and many others) believe that this is a fruitless endeavor. that's why we support the various systems we do.

by my way of thinking, benson's greatness doesn't have anything to do with the position of anyone else who might be on the list. that is, if you replaced all seven tailbacks you have above Cedric on the list with defensive backs of the exact same quality, no one's place on the list should change. but you think that does make a difference because there's no real way to ascertain some notion of "best" or "great" based only on data when there's nothing in common to compare between them (i.e. common position for this list or common opponents in detemining the "best" team in college football).

thus, you think that position is one of the few ways we have to give context for these rankings. which is eminently reasonable even though i disagree with it. but it's also why i think you're secretly not a resume ranker.

consider yourself outed, Bean!

by billyzane on Apr 2, 2007 11:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

I thought you might go this route...

And I find the logic compelling.

And yet, I don't find it practical here at all. For one thing, it's hard enough to compare players at the same position from different eras. Given the changes in the game, it's damn near impossible to approach this objective notion of best. And then when we throw in comparing players at different positions, I find approaching this objective notion of best even more of a stretch.

In other words, it would be impossible - I think - to measure what a "defensive back of the exact same quality" would look like. I do agree that there shouldn't be excessive weight placed on striving for balance among the positions, but at the same time, the utter impossibility of comparing Jerry Gray and Cedric Benson makes assigning some value to context and balance a practical reality.

Your thoughts?

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 3, 2007 12:26 AM CDT up 0 recs

if logic won every debate

we'd have created a terrible society. concerns over practicality have a place. but i think logic too often concedes too much to practicality for the sake of ease.

now, in this case, i obviously don't have a winning argument because it's nearly impossible for you or almost anyone to do what i'm asking of you. don't get me wrong, i think it could be done. maybe we haven't figured out how to do it yet, but i'm optimistic that it could be done. regardless, in lieu of a system to do this, you look for context wherever you can.

i get what you're doing. and i'm not sure i have a better idea for a way to do it, practically. i just don't think we should lose sight of the logic of the list, which is the best, or top, 50 longhorns of the last 50 years. just keeping you honest, buddy.

by billyzane on Apr 3, 2007 12:58 AM CDT up 0 recs

And I'll agree there

I think we're in the same camp, philosophically. But I also think that a list like this one is going to be awfully hard to measure quantitatively. If not impossible.

I'll note, now, that I disagree that my position here disqualifies me as a resume guy... I think that sorting out which teams are better than other teams in a given year is an infinitely more manageable task than this one. The complications here are profoundly more fundamental than the ones in an intra-season ranking system.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 3, 2007 1:13 AM CDT up 0 recs

all right then

glad we had a late-night hashing out of this stuff. i think better when i'm sleep deprived anyway. or at least i convince myself of that because i'm always sleep deprived.

as for the resume stuff, another debate for another time.

by billyzane on Apr 3, 2007 1:36 AM CDT up 0 recs

Cedric is the type of player

that for whatever reason I never really appreciated that much. BZ, your argument about Simms being surrounded by phenomenal players is a valid point.
Hadn't really thought about it like that. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with Cedric being included.

I sure hope he has a break-out year in Chicago this fall. I really try and pay attention during what few NFL (substitute "all" for few in regards to Titan games) I watch for Texax-exes on the field. This has got to be the peek in my lifetime of Texas players in the NFL, "Greatness".............

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 11:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

The first Okie State comeback

To people who say that Benson doesn't have the big marquee game, that first OSU comeback was an incredible performance by him. Having VY in the backfield certainly helped him, but Cedric led the nation in touchdowns as a junior and then won the Doak Walker award after rushing for 1,834 yards as a senior. He struggled his sophomore year, but you can't ignore how good he was in his last two seasons.

by Bob LaBlog on Apr 2, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

Benson needs to be in...

I don't have any definitive rationale behind this, but he was my favorite player, besides Vince Young, to watch during my four years here.

A couple points:

Benson was wildly consistent. He rushed for 1,000 yards in each season he was at UT and holds the career record in rushing attempts, highlighting his durability.
Benson carried the "regular human" Vince Young/Chance Mock era. In our 2004 loss to OU, I believe it was pointed out that Benson never rushed for 100 yards against OU, and that whenever Benson DID rush for over 100, UT hadn't lost. He ended up with approximately 94 or so, simply because OU was stacking 8-9 men in the box for just about every play. Benson pretty much kept that offense going when we had absolutely no credible passing threat.
Bob LaBlog is right; Benson was THE reason we won the first OSU comeback. Without him, the legend of Vince might never have started on that day.
He also won the Doak Walker (first presented in 1990) in '04, mildly upsetting Adrian Peterson for the award.
The simple fact that Benson not being a lock is generating this much controversy on the boards should signal that he deserves recognition, at least above the other 2000/1990's Longhorns that most of us know more about.

by jc25 on Apr 2, 2007 5:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

David Thomas

I just noticed I neglected to include David Thomas among those receiving consideration. Ammending now.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 10:40 AM CDT 0 recs

I was hoping

that was an oversight.

by Brandon 97 on Apr 2, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Look at the players on the list below.

2000s Cedric Benson, Leonard Davis, Chris Simms, Major Applewhite, James Thomas
1990s Kwame Cavil, Pat Fitzgerald, Shaun Rogers, James Brown, Bryant Westbrook, Mike Adams, Blake Brockemeyer, Stanley Richard
1980s Britt Hager
1970s Steve McMichael, Bob Simmons, Doug English, Alan Lowry, Brad Shearer
1960s Tommy Ford, Jim Bertelson, Bill Bradley, Leo Brooks, Emmett Carlisle, Pete Lammons

I'll take all of them and have a great team. We should all have a drink and toast these players and those not on any list. The ones that can say "I played for TEXAS", will always be on "The Most Important List".

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 11:23 AM CDT 0 recs

Sorry, the list is for those players that are not

locks. I can't believe how fortunate we are at Texas to be considering keeping these players off the final 50.

Some of them might just be the best to ever play at their position in Texas history, all things being considered.

I mean,come on, Steve"Its time to die"McMichael, Bryant"Hit First and ask questions later" Westbrook. I would always want those 2 on my team, case closed. Most probably as starters...

I'm not going to have a top 50 list because I can't narrow it down. Fuck it, age has its privilages.

GOOD LUCK PB..............

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up 0 recs

Top 40 Team

I recommend that BON pull together a top longhorn team -22 best longhorns at their position.

by burntup on Apr 2, 2007 12:20 PM CDT 0 recs

Excellent idea

We'll do this sometime during the long, sad offseason.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

And you thought top 40 all time was a bitch.

PB, I like burntup's idea but damn, can you imagine the argument over the backfield alone. Wishbone vs Zone Read.

A wishbone backfield consisting of:

Vince Young QB

Earl Campbell HB

Roosevelt Leaks HB

Steve Worster FB

vs. Zone Read:

Vince Young QB

Cedric Benson RB

Ricky Williams RB

How can you determine your 11 starters on offense without determining the era?

VY and Earl might be your only locks.........

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Apr 2, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

locks

McMichael, English, Simmons, Shearer, and Carlisle should all be locks.

Cedric, Westbrook, Rogers, and Brockermeyer should, too.

That leaves three spots. And it would be hard to separate some of these from the others.

by Jason Mayer on Apr 2, 2007 3:06 PM CDT 0 recs

Interesting to note...

that somehow the 80's ended up with more locks than the 90's.

by BrooklynHorn on Apr 2, 2007 3:40 PM CDT 0 recs

I felt weird about this, too

Though it's worth noting that there are eight additional 90s guys in consideration for the list, as opposed to just one e 80s. Rogers, Adams, Westbrook and Brockermeyer will be difficult to keep off the list. Fitzgerald's right there, too.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 2, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up 0 recs