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Postgame React

All I want to do is go out and not think about this right now, but... let's get this out of the way.

The outcome was: Disastrous. Before we talk about Texas, though - a congratulations to Kansas State. They were prepared, focused, and poised. Texas got outcoached and outplayed in every phase of the game, and Ron Prince and his staff deserve credit for coming to Austin and whipping the Longhorns senseless. Literally, in some cases.

The Offensive MVP was: Honestly, no one played well. The line got beat. Colt struggled. Charles never got going. The receivers were only so-so. I'm not being dramatic here; it's just that no one played very well.

The Defensive MVP was: I'm pretty sure every single Longhorn missed a tackle at some point. K-State didn't exactly rack up huge numbers, but they outplayed the Texas defense far too often.

The offensive Offensive Player Of The Week was: Greg Davis. The temptation for fans will be to rip on McCoy, and though he didn't have a good day, the offense as a whole was hung out to dry by Texas' coaches. Those who've read this site for any period of time know that I'm pretty patient with this staff, but there is no cause for patience tonight. Greg Davis had his worst game in years.

The offensive Defensive Player Of The Week was: Duane Akina and Larry MacDuff. Again, those kids deserved better than they got today. Texas' players got whipped, but this one goes right to the top. The staff is accountable for a performance like this, and there's no sense in trying to rip the players when they were barely given a chance. I'll put it this way: Jordy Nelson owes Akina a Christmas card.

John Chiles Watch: 7 carries, 28 yards. 1-4 passing, 17 yards. We got little teases of Chiles, but the pattern of usage was pretty silly. The thing that really bothered me was that Texas would throw a dinky pass underneath on first down, incomplete. 2nd and 10? We'd bring in Chiles. And everyone knew what play Davis was gonna run. And KSU had no trouble stopping it. 3rd and long. Just a waste. (More on Chiles usage in a separate post.)

Vondrell McGee Watch: 3 carries, 2 yards, 1 TD. Vondrell was brought in to punch the ball in the end zone, but not used otherwise. Greg Davis was more content to throw dinky passes short than try to use this talented running back. Just sad.

Oklahoma Fear Factor: 10 out of 10....   (5) is the baseline. (-1) for Oklahoma got tripped up in Boulder. (+6) for we just got whipped silly by K-State in Austin.

Heading into next week I feel: A little relieved? Admittedly, I'm speculating a bit here. Right now, I'm pretty damn disappointed and pissed off. But I think most of us didn't watch the first four games and think that this team was going to survive the year without at least a loss or two. Texas' weaknesses were exposed in the first four weeks. They were brutally taken advantage of on Saturday.

The upside, then? We enter OU Hate Week without having to worry about a loss to the Sooners costing us something grand. We can just hate OU. We can also talk honestly and openly about the problems without having to tiptoe awkwardly around the fact that we're still undefeated.

No, this team is flawed and troubled in a number of ways, and today put everyone, who wasn't already, on notice. There's enough exciting talent in this program to feel really good about things overall, but there have been some obvious roadblocks which haven't been adressed. Sorry, Mack - the Vince Young honeymoon is officially over.

--PB--

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Defense

I thought our defense wasn't that bad at least in the 2nd half.

McCoy (or GD if you like) was the offensive Defensive Player Of The Week IMO because the INTs were literally giving them points.

I can't say this enough. 34 of KSU's 41 points came directly from turnovers and special teams plays. Only 7 of their points can directly be attributed to our defense.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chiles usage

I will make one observation that made me a little optimistic.

There was one play where Chiles was lined up as a WR. Then Colt lateraled the ball to him so he could pass. The play didn't work out because KSU was ready for it. They believed that if Chiles is in the game, the play will involve him for sure. What I'm trying to say is that Chiles is already a big presence. Can you say decoy?

Ogbannaya ended up being WIDE OPEN on the other side of the play. Colt also could've picked up some major yardage by running away from the play.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chiles Usage

KSU was ready for it only because Davis had him lined up almost 10 yards off the ball!  Everybody in the world new what was coming!

by hookem22 on Sep 29, 2007 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Home field

How precious is it anymore against decent teams?

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 29, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You gotta feed the fans

It's not that far from Rome.

by whills on Sep 29, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

criticism of the defense is way off base.

this was all on the OL not picking up the blitz and McCoy not taking care of the ball.

we all knew we couldn't survive injuries among the OL and we've had injuries all year.

Charles was never given a chance, but ran the ball well at times.

most of this is on Larry MacDuff - what a fucking pathetic showing by the special teams.

fucking pathetic, what a fucking pathetic job.

why was gerland benched after shanking a punt in the rain?  

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

We missed far too many tackles for the defense to slide on this one. And the coaches did not make enough adjustments. I'm not sure we covered Jordy Nelson with a defensive back until late in the third quarter.

It was not a good day for the defense, even if the offense and special teams are more culpable.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

20 points, they gave up 21 points.

they were put in some bad positions  and held on.

i will agree with one thing, keeping norton and muckleroy off the field for a single play is straight up fucking stupidity.

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that should read, 20 points, they gave up 20 pts

my performance is not up to snuff tonight either.

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense had a pretty good game IMO

I cannot remember any big plays that it gave up and it did perfectly against trick plays.  The only possible complaints I could see is not getting to the QB that much and letting a guy named Jordy catch double digit passes.

by JohnsonUT on Sep 29, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Missed tackles

I forgot about the missed tackles.  Yes this is a problem and should be criticized.

by JohnsonUT on Sep 29, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The players did fine

How do you let Jordy Nelson reach double-digits in receptions, though?

It's unfathomable. And it was the coaches' fault. That's why their the goats.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who cares about jordy getting his receptions....

not being belligerant, but we only gave up two touchdowns, it should have been enough to win the game.

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bear in mind

That this game was over pretty early. KSU quit picking on us because they were up big.

I agree that the defense doesn't bear the brunt of the blame for this loss, but they still struggled.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

by CyHorn770 on Sep 29, 2007 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got to agree with JohnsonUT

there needs to be anger at how our team played this week, but you missed the mark this week PB.

It was special teams and a returned INT that killed us, not what you are pointing out.

by Wells on Sep 29, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just can't agree with you

Kansas State marched down on their first drive and peppered us with Jordy Nelson all game long. The defense may have been 'adequate' but it was a far cry from good.

We've got to separate the blame factor (offense and special teams get almost all of it) from the fact that the defense still didn't look good.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blame factor
  1. Special Teams
  1. Colt McCoy/Offense Scheme
  1. Bad D

I think #1 is actually a good bit bigger than 2 and 3, but all contributed.

by Wells on Oct 1, 2007 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A minor moral victory

Kansas State is really good. Keep in mind that their one loss is against Auburn, who's on their way to upsetting Florida in the Swamp.

When things get real tough, I always try to remember that things could always be worse. In this case, there are other fan bases that are feeling exactly like us. OU, West Virginia, Rutgers, possibly Florida if they lose.

And of course, at least we're not Texas A&M or Notre Dame.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Colt

I don't know what happened, but Colt just doesn't have it this year.  I've always been really annoyed with fans criticizing him just because he isn't Vince Young,  but he was terrible today.  I'm ready to stick Chiles in there and play like West Virginia.

Obviously the special teams was just hillaiously pathetic.  I think the tackling was terrible on both special teams and defense.  I wouldn't blame the coaches on defense considering the players were usually in position, they just couldn't tackle.

However the tackling drills we are running must be pretty terrible.  Hopefully we can get Greg Robinson back. :/

by Matt on Sep 29, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

colt played with a concussion in the 2nd half?

he was obviously fucked up in the 2nd quarter, and according to the statesman, he was throwing up on the sidelines in the 4th.  

of course, some will argue tht if we had developed depth at qb the last two years, this wouldn't have been a problem and i can't argue with that...

regardless, colt's in a definite sophomore slump.  

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with all your points but one

That the coaches don't deserve blame.

For one thing, Killebrew and Bobino were the worst offenders on missed tackling. The two best tacklers on the day were Muckelroy and Norton. That, as has been discussed ad infinitum, is on the coaches.

But more generally, the coaches are the ones who have to take responsibility when an entire team plays like crap. That shows that it's not "some kid messing up." It's systemic.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweed was a huge disappointment.

that kid just didn't show up.

he had two long receptions that he allowed to be punched out of his hands.

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And what happened to Pittman?

Is he still in pain or rusty? Let me ask Coach Fran about that.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jersey Number

Needs to switch back to the old one.

by JohnsonUT on Sep 29, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your absolute best career coaching decision...

... can not -- CAN NOT -- be to get out of the way of Vince Young. While we're all in agreement that the decision to let Vince be Vince propelled Texas into a national championship, it's insane to think that decision is the best move Greg Davis has ever made at Texas. Unfortunately the coaching staff needs to make the same decision and get out of the way of the young guys.

There is no doubt in my mind that the underclassmen need to come in and play. Kyle Hix, Tray Allen, Michael Huey, Curtis Brown, Chykie Brown, Aundre McGaskey, Jared Norton. Especially the offensive linemen.

Lamaar Houston and Eddie Jones were forced to play because there was simply nobody else at defensive end. Houston is probably the defensive MVP of the team. He's been a beast and Jones has played pretty damn well. Is it unreasonable to think the other guys can't play at the same level?

Sure, they'll make mistakes. Texas might even lose some because of those mistakes. I'd rather those guys get some experience this season, right now, because what I saw on the field today doesn't make me think there will be any sacrifices as far as wins/losses. Lose because of youth or you lose because of subpar play. Take your pick.

by Longhorn13 on Sep 29, 2007 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

prince was right about one thing...

KSU was a lot faster than we are...

we looked peg-legged and club-footed against KSU today.

by cortexas on Sep 29, 2007 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mack Brown

Is a mediocre coach. He should give his $100,000 bonus to the Wounded Warrier project--they need it and deserve it.

by TwoDogs on Sep 29, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who has been better coach for UT

since DKR?  Just wondering who you are comparing him to?

by Wells on Sep 29, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Health of Colt

I was at the game, so not sure how much of this was discussed by the announcers or on the blog, but according to the Statesman, Colt suffered a mild concussion and wasn't cleared to play in the second half until right before the third quarter kickoff.

I really thought after the ints and with the rain pouring down that Texas would at least try to insert Chiles early in the second half, control the clock, and win the game on the ground. That obviously never happened.

It is one thing to be a pass first, run second team. I am fine with that and given Colt's skills and the inexperience of our O-line, that should be our identify.

However, we were a pass first, run never team this afternoon. And we can't win like that.

--AW--

by awiggo on Sep 29, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Colt indeed had a suffered a mild concussion

then I think it's completely fair to question the judgment of Mack Brown in putting him back out there in the 2nd half instead of using Chiles. That's crazy right there. It's not the end of the world if we lose. Why put a QB in there with a concussion?

Would we have won the game if Chiles was the QB in the 2nd half? Who the hell knows? Maybe Chiles has more TOs, or maybe his speed makes the whole offense better and we come back and at least make it a game in the 4th quarter.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

I can't imagine putting in a kid with a concussion.  Throwing up on the field, too?  Jeez -- it's not like this was a championship game.  Should've played Chiles.  Even if we lose (we did anyway) the kid gets experience for OU.  I am disappointed in Mack on this.

by NYCHorn on Sep 29, 2007 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

reminds me of last year

when coaches made a questionable call playing a 70% Colt against aTm

by Kool Hand on Sep 30, 2007 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offensive line

Should they be blamed at all for Colt's tipped passes? I'm guessing they should at least take blame for the times he was hit.

Or is that all on Colt's height and/or release point?

Or is that all on GD's predictable scheme?

I'm guessing the correct answer is the "combination of both" answer.

If indeed the o-line is responsible for the turnovers, then they lost us the game, because the turnovers lost us the game. We did not discuss this weakness enough before the season. We overrated this team because we underestimated the potential damage of our inexperienced O-line. Injuries made it worse. Doesn't matter how good your WRs are if your offensive line is incompetent.

With that said, Chris Hall is a warrior and should be appreciated for not dying.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Is it the offensive line's fault? Yes.
Is it the predictable play calling? Somewhat. A good football team should be able to hit the defense in the mouth and gain some yardage. Texas was pushed back today. Jeff Ward said it looked like the line was wearing roller skates. I think a good offense should be able to announce what play they are running and still pick up some yardage.

by Longhorn13 on Sep 29, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't exactly

put a lot of lift in a pass whose target is two yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Sep 29, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a former O-lineman

If you are putting your hat on your assignment with good technique, you will put your man where he should be... in the dust.  And if you are in pass protection and you are jamming his chest and gut hard enough as he rushes up field he won't have his hands up in the air and your QB will have unencumbered throwing lanes.  

Simply put, our Offense and Special Teams lost this one for us today.  With the offensive potential we have, our defense should be able to give up 20 points and we should still get the "W".  No ifs, ands, or buts.  I'll agree with the "who let Jordy Nelson run free?" sentiment, but the Defense did better than I thought they would, an I will give them credit for that.

1 Peter 2:17

by HornsFan87 on Sep 29, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What frustrated me...

was how many times, especially in the second half, that Colt was under pressure and had to scramble, or got hit while throwing and just after throwing the ball. Then when K State had the ball, how often did Freeman get pressured, or even touched? All I could think was, What The Fuck? How fucking horrible is our offensive line that we can't protect our own fucking QB, or create lanes for our RBs? And then to watch as the Wildcats' offensive line would do exactly what they needed to fucking do? What The Fuck?

Kudos to Kansas State for a well-played game. Shitbars all around to the Texas coaches, staff, and players for a fucking horribly frustrating game to watch. Fuck, this fucking sucks!

Hook 'em Horns

by LonghornWSO on Sep 30, 2007 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things
  1. The O-line was absolutely horrid tonight.  The D-line didn't look much better.
  1. I don't see how you can feel any relief about our play or the upcoming OU game.  We're still very much in a position to win the Big XII South (relief in itself) which makes next week's game all that much more important.  So what's going to happen?  At this point, I can't say I trust Mack to make the necessary changes.  He'll talk about the tweaks and changes they need to work on over the course of the week, but when the Horns take the field next Saturday, I can't help but think we'll see the exact same things we've been seeing all year.  Only after we have absolutely nothing else to lose will we see any kind of modifications.

All that being said, here's hoping we go into Dallas and just whoop the shit out of OU.  Hook'em.

From the desk of your self-proclaimed resident gamer.

by Ramzlita on Sep 29, 2007 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

VY or Bust

That pretty much sums up UT football over the past four years.  VY is either there to propel us to tough, high-stakes victories or we lose.  

We refuse to play our best players b/c of some sort of senior loyalty.  Muck and Norton are great players.  Best to keep them on the bench!  Terrible use (non-use) of Chiles and the running game as a whole.  We have no semblance of a calculated gameplan or identity.  We miss tackles; we drop passes; we let one guy kill us all day long; we telegraph plays.  Our special teams were special today in all the wrong ways.  

Next week we lose the Big 12 South and start playing for pride and hopefully the Alamo Bowl.  Next year???  Um, no.

This is not a good team primarily b/c it is poorly coached (I actually hope this is true b/c that can be fixed).  Being pissed and in reactionary mode and living in the land of fairy tales, I say dump GD and bring in Applewhite as the OC next year.  Get Robinson back from Syracuse and back into the DC seat.  Whatever "exotic" blitzing Akina and McDuff dreamed up - SUCKS!

Whatever, I'm going to go puke now.  This is what it must feel like to be an A&M fan.

by CyHorn770 on Sep 29, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Appelwhite

Can't imagine he wouldn't be an improvement but he's still inconsistent (e.g, Georgia - he did well against Arkansas - didn't see FSU game yesterday).  In any event GD still has time to make some fairly obvious adjustments.  If he fails to do so in short order some kind of change will be necessarry next year.

marshalld

by duras on Sep 30, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

this would be an unbelievable saturday if he makes this.  not that it isn't already.

by Jason Mayer on Sep 29, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome!!

Auburn 20, Florida 17 Final

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 29, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Biggest of the Weekend?

OU's loss was shocking but it was on the road. Auburn beats the defending national champs in their own building. WOW! That gets my vote.

--AW--

by awiggo on Sep 29, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can Washington score 10 in 3 minutes?

One more upset would be great ... I would hate to be a voter tomorrow. Tough decisions. Then again I wish I were a voter

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 29, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES

And now you can add Florida to the list of teams that were upset.

Once again, as bad as the loss feels, understand that other fan bases are feeling just as bad if not worse.

OU, Florida, and West Virginia all had championship aspirations possibly gone.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

texas

We're still the only ones that got embarrassed at home, though.

by Jason Mayer on Sep 29, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

Who said we need a playoff system when every game counts?

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 29, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

defense

The offense was absolutely putrid.  Poor scheme, poor execution, terrible decision making, horrible offensive line play.

But say what you will about the defense, they actually played pretty well.  There were some instances of sloppy tackling, I'll agree.  However, aside from the opening drive for K-State, they held them in check.

The other offensive touchdown came after a touchdown where K-State started on the Texas 30.  Less than 300 yards, no big plays, and only 20 points given up.  The other field goals came after excellent field position, too.

With our offense, that should definitely be enough.

by Jason Mayer on Sep 29, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

should read

"The other offensive touchdown came after a turnover where K-State started on the Texas 30."

by Jason Mayer on Sep 29, 2007 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas State

Well BONers, the only team that has beaten Kansas State is Auburn, the same team that just upset Florida @ Florida.

How good is South Florida, the team that won @ Auburn?

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 10:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MNC

Has the national championship of USC/LSU already been set?

Oh, and I have an analogy.

Kansas State : Texas :: Auburn : Florida

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 10:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Auburn vs. Florida

Great win for Auburn... what a day in CFB land.  As I watch Auburn, who everyone wrote off for dead up until now, I find myself thinking, why can't we do that now... turn this thing around?  I hope we can, and I hope we start next week.  As one who has watched through all the years from Darrell Royal's glory days to now, I know we can do it, question is will we?

1 Peter 2:17

by HornsFan87 on Sep 29, 2007 10:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

The only thing thats changed is that the Natty title is out of reach.

We still control our destiny in the b12 south... but honestly, I'm not in the mood to pump sunshine right now.

by the other Andrew on Sep 29, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows?

The only thing thats changed is that the Natty title is out of reach.

Sure about that? Lets just say that we win out AND K-State ends up being a great team. That loss won't be so damaging because not only was it against a good team, but it was early.

Half the top 10 just lost today, and this is just ONE week of college football. USC still has to play Cal and Oregon. LSU still has to deal with a number of trap games in the SEC. The SEC is NOT the conference you want to exist in if there's a giant target on your back. Ohio State has to play @ Purdue, Wisconsin, and Michigan, etc...

Basically, all I'm saying is we might have a college football season where nobody goes unscathed. If that happens and UT wins out, who knows?

by goingforthecorner on Sep 29, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

while technically true

the reality is we are who we think we are.

by the other Andrew on Sep 29, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, sure

It's out of reach. We cannot and will not be the one-loss team that gets a bid. The Big 12 is too weak.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No But...

A BCS bowl and a top five finish are still possible.  Not to pump sunshine or anything, but watching all these losses today, anything is possible for us if we can get it together and play the way we should.

1 Peter 2:17

by HornsFan87 on Sep 29, 2007 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I meant the BCS Title Game. We could earn a BCS bid, still. But not the MNC game.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 29, 2007 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah... I gotcha

I knew what you meant PB.  No, the BCS title game is gone, no doubt.

1 Peter 2:17

by HornsFan87 on Sep 29, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Big Changes

are made this week this all becomes pure fantasy.  Furthermore, we're going to have to get healthier and avoid more injuries.  

marshalld

by duras on Sep 30, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conference strength

never seemed to adversely affect the final BCS ranking of Florida State or Miami before the merge of their conferences.  Each also benefited from losing a game early rather than late.  

by chum1 on Sep 30, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rosy scenarios

of course that scenario only works if we play better than we have been playing, the coaches use some 2nd string guys instead of lackluster starters, and Colt recovers from his concussion....

Bring Back the Knothole Section

by shorthorn on Sep 30, 2007 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what happened with Vince?

Couldn't see the game up here, and turned down the 'Net radio at the half.  Did VY make an appearance?

by NYCHorn on Sep 29, 2007 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We had two plays in Sportscenter Top 10 plays

Unfortunately it was the punt return and the kickoff return.

by JohnsonUT on Sep 29, 2007 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Climb aboard my Deloreon

Did this game remind anyone of the 1999 game?  How many INTs did Major have in that one? 5, 6?  The Daily Texan headline was "Apple Turnover."  K State had some nifty punt returns in that game too.

by the other Andrew on Sep 30, 2007 12:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Didn't even realize this, but we've lost three straight conference games dating back to last year. Two of them against Kansas State.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 30, 2007 5:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also ...

2 straight conference losses at home

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 30, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been 10 since we lost 4 ...

straight conference games (which is possible if we play like we did yesterday).  We were lucky in the old SWC days (80's mainly) we started with Rice to stop any end of year slides.  The worst was I could tell was seven straight in '35/'36 and some six straight in '57, '37/'38 and '33/'34 6 winless (2 ties)

by Bevoboy94 on Sep 30, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Words

My words for this game are...

poor
lackluster
predictable
outcoached

I am also a little confused about Mac saying in a post-game interview that we went out in the 3rd quarter and took control of the game.  Your offense doesn't take control of a game by having the quarterback scramble around because of broken plays, no matter how many yards you gain.  You control the game by executing your plays with toughness and efficiency and we did not do that in the 3rd quarter.  We were outcoached and outplayed, its that simple.

by shorthorn on Sep 30, 2007 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mack Should Be Ashamed

You figure that Mack and the coaching staff let the team down.  As ugly as it was, I find three things very unpalatable at this point.

1)Jordy Nelson in 2007 = Anthony Gonzalez in 2006.  Simply unacceptable.

2)2 returns for TDs.  Special teams should be much better than this with all of the great talent we supposedly have.

3)Colt playing post-concussion.  If it took you ALL of half-time to figure out if the kid should play...then he SHOULDN'T have.   As a doctor and a former concussion-sufferer...I am simply APPALLED by this decision.   Between letting him play hurt last year at A&M and this...it'll be a wonder if the kid survives his college career.  They're going to get him killed.

by DreadedOne on Sep 30, 2007 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Coach McDuffus

I thought that McDuff was suppose to be an NFL genious on special teams....what a disappointment.

by burntup on Sep 30, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In defense...

At least from what I saw on hornfans.com, players are medically cleared to play despite grade 1 concussions. Grade 2 or grade 3 concussions are the ones where players are specifically not allowed to play.

But personally, I would've went with Chiles anyway because it's a different look for KSU. Not to mention that his speed is a better fit for our scheme.

by goingforthecorner on Sep 30, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

15 minutes?

So how long did The Colt have the symptoms for?  That would determine whether it was Grade 1 or 2.   Halftime lasts how long?

I think they're taking liberties with The Colt's health and it's just wrong.

by DreadedOne on Sep 30, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A fish stnks from the head

Yes, the stink was putrid on Saturday and it starts from the top - Brown. The team played their hearts out on the field, but they were in the wrong positions with the wrong plays - offense and defense. A double whammy!!!

The two worst offensive and defensive coaches in the country worked their wonders throughout the game. Davis's folly offensive scheme throwing every down against an effective blitz is one for the books. The genius Akina with his blitz happy and soft coverage scheme leaving the guys totally out of position and ineffective - a 20 yeard gap in the defense. You can't tackle properly when you are not in the right position.

I am still waiting to hear the two geniuses step up and accept total responsibilty for their own ineptitude, but you know as well as I do that it will not happen. Add the usual coach speak dribbe from Brown and you have Texas football summed up in a nutshell. THE PLAYERES DESERVE BETTER. BRING IN A REAL OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND SEND THAT IDIOT MAC DUFF AND HIS GREAT SPECIAL TEAM KNOWLDEGE TO THE GARBAGE DUMP!!!!

by valonghorn on Sep 30, 2007 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Special Teams were really "special"

I can't believe you did not include the greatest meltdown, special teams.  I know it has been popular to blame Greg Davis when things have gone bad the last couple of years, but he does not coach special teams and he did not throw 4 interceptions.  And yes, I hate as much as anyone his love for the screen pass and its various permutations.  I would love to see the stats of average gain (or loss) for that type of play during the past 2 or 3 years for UT. Is that data available anywhere?  I would guess it's less than 2 yards.  That being said, Mac Brown recruited these players, selected the coaches, and can over-rule anything he disagrees with.  Thus the buck stops at his desk.  Furthermore, DKR said it best, "Only angry people win football games."  VY could get the team fired up, but how many games since he left, have the Horns shown any passion?  Yesterday should have been a revenge game for the Horns.  Too often they allow the oter team to seize the momentum and then have to come back in the second half.  I shudder to think about next week.  Both OU and UT lost yesterday.  Which team do you think will come out breathing fire next Saturday?

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Sep 30, 2007 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Where is the emotion?

The problem with this team is pride...as in none.  The comments coming from the locker room are a mystery.  Where is the anger?  Where is the shock? Where is the emotion? You would think they are accepting mediocrity.

The question is, "Who is going to fire up this team?"

The coaching staff is apparently not challenging the players.  The veteran players are not challenging themselves.  The whole lot are rather complacent.

Bob Stoops yesterday:

"They outplayed us and outcoached us," said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops. "And we made some very bad penalties in the fourth quarter. We're not a very smart team right now. We understood we needed to play well to win and we didn't."

A strong message sent to the team...to get their attention.  To let them know their performance was, frankly, not acceptable.  Implied embarassment.  And a statement to the fan base of responsibility.

Hell, even Urban Meyer in his post game news conference couldn't even talk he was so pissed off.

What did Mack Brown say:

"We’ve said since day one that coaches lose games, kids win games and that one goes back to me and us. Four turnovers, you have to win the turnover battle, to one. Kicking game went down. Two touchdowns to none, which is unbelievable. It’s disappointing. The kids played hard. We have to regroup and come back together. We have to be positive about the things we did well and make sure we correct the mistakes that were obvious."

WHERE THE HELL IS THE EMOTION!  What message does this send the team?  "Well, it's o.k.  Just a game.  We'll regroup for next week."

Just more of the same PR bull-shit.  The team needs a spark and in a hurry if they hope to turn this battle wagon around.

We hear week-end, week-out from MB: focus on the positives and correct the mistakes.  What positives came out of this debacle?  When are the mistakes going to be corrected?  The same old game plan and schemes definitely are not working.  The same old coaching is not cutting it.

The coaches must go back to basics.  Get it done between the tackles on offense - north and south ball control.  Use all the scholarship players in the stable.  Put the fastest players on on the field.

The veteran players need to feel job pressure.  Even the coaches need to feel job pressure.  Predictability is killing any chance of success.

The complacency and acceptance of status quo has to stop now.  It's obvious there is no "shock and awe" with this group.  There is no evidence of "team", only a bunch of individuals with no leader.  I realize they are just kids but The University deserves better than what it is getting and it starts at the top.

by TXStampede on Sep 30, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more

Stampede....correct...painfully...on every count.

I would say that in the past it seems that teams (not just the Horns) with "top" recruiting classes year after year can fall into two categories: Those that take care of business and those who don't.

How can you tell me that year after year you get super prep star after super prep star but then you get outplayed, outhustled, outcoached and out-hearted.

When DKR was coaching the Horns in the '60s, would he have put up with complacent players?  Would today's Floridas, USCs, Ohio States and, yes, OUs put up with players acting this way?

On a seemingly related issue, I would say that Mack doesn't have control of his team as much as we like to think.  Think about it....players playing beneath their abilities and more and more of them getting into trouble off the field.  

In a perfect world, Mack wouldn't just be suspending a kid here and there.   He would create an environment of veteran leadership that would trickle down to the young guys.   We are a mere 20 months removed from the greatest win in school history and a national championship and we look like a rudderless ship.  Can anyone here think of a time when the lustre has come off this quickly?   We should have used that win to catapult our team to the level of "great talent AND consistent contention".  Now, we're basically Rutgers.

by DreadedOne on Sep 30, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: EMOTION

TxStampede, great post. I really couldn't state it better myself and I think you've really hit the nail on the head.

by Single10UT on Sep 30, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right

The fire and emotion left two years ago in a white stretch limo. It showed up again yesterday, but only for a pre-game ceremony.

You could tell where this game was going right away. When a team wins the toss, how many of them these days elect to receive? KSU took the ball, drove the field down Texas throats and stuck it in the end zone. The crowd was gone the rest of the game. You had KSU players believing they were gonna win and that's what they did.

From that point, they played crisper, made more tackles, broke more tackles, made more blocks and for the most part looked a step faster in all facets. Just be glad they only won by 20!

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Sep 30, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fire Davis

Ok the coaches lost this game; plan and simple. Like everyone is saying the plays are to predictable. I don't see this season going very well at all.

by RemiMagnus on Sep 30, 2007 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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