K-State football - cowards
by UTHorns on Apr 2, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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PrintK-State has backed out of playing Fresno St this upcoming year and replaced them with....
Montana State. Woo Hoo!!!
K-State will have to pay Fresno St $250,000.
Way to go Ron Prince!!! He's living up to Bill Snyder's reputation quite nicely.
Cowards.
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Silliest.....
....stuff on this blog. Do you know anything about Ron Prince's scheduling? He's a strong proponent of scheduling at least one strong opponent in the OOC to prepare his team to play the conference schedule. In fact, he publicly stated their game against Auburn, though a loss, provided the preparation required to beat a #7-ranked Texas team in our own stadium.
It would be great if Mack were to take a similar approach. Somehow Central Florida, Arkansas, UCLA and MissSt. don't match up with the following:
- Louisville
- Auburn, Fresno State
- Louisville
- UCLA
- UCLA
- Oregon, Miami
- Oregon, Miami
- VaTech, Auburn
- VaTech
You do understand 2nd-year HC Ron Prince has a two game winning streak against our Longhorns, don't you?
Body...
of work....body of work. Understand now?
re:
I don't think you should include past 2013 b/c we haven't schedule any OOC games yet. Louisville plays in the Big East, which is garbage, and they had a crap year last year. I think Arkansas is on par w/ Auburn. However, I would like for us to take on a strong team like Ohio State again or maybe a title contender like LSU, or Florida.
by vy til i die on Apr 2, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
re: Miss. St.
I think you mean 'Ole Miss....not that it changes the point you are making.
Louisville was AWFUL last year
and they just lost their best player. I really don't think you can put them on that list for '08 and somehow think that's a positive for tough scheduling. They're not going to be even as good as UCF (and before you start, yes I know we don't play UCF in '08).
C'mon BZ...
....let us not play the "speak out of both sides of our mouth" game. In the past, you've often used the "well, those games were scheduled many years prior to being played" excuse. Clearly, when those K.State vs. Louisville games were scheduled, Louisville had a consistent record of successful play. No one at Kansas State could have known Petrino was going to leave Louisville.
Maybe we should explore Louisville's record in the 5 seasons prior to that first game of the home&home with Kansas State, played in 2006.
- 11-2
- 7-6
- 9-4
- 11-1
- 9-3
___________
Tot. 47-16 (0.746)
Avg.= better than 9-3. Well inside the Top-20% of Div.1 football.
At the risk of getting in a dumb fight about this
I just would like to point out that while I have perhaps in the past spoken out of both sides of my mouth on this issue, you have done the same. It's very hard not to when you're trying to make a point that's unassailable about a topic where the "facts" are anything but clear as to which side they favor.
What's the line? "Lies, damn lies, and HornChamps charts." I think that's the one.
So your.....
...."claim" is there is something lacking accuracy in the above records? Please be sure to point it out and correct it.
Or, you can just admit that Louisville was a strong opponent when the games were scheduled.
You made his point
He was comparing what you presented to the saying "lies, damn lies, and statistics." The saying comes from the idea that you can make statistics prove any point you want if you play with them enough without actually having anything factually wrong with them. By asking him where your records lack accuracy you are actually making his point for him.
No....
.....I think his point went down the toilet long ago. There was no "play(ing)" with the season records of Louisville. They are what they are. Nothing more, nothing less. You and your brudder just don't want to admit that Louisville was a highly successful program when they were put on Kansas State's OOC schedule.
Keep digging your own hole
by focusing on the minutia of your lists without actually addressing his poin, you continue to prove it.
So says....
Its incredible
how things have changed.
Time was, Kansas State scheduled nothing but 1AA opponents. I must admit that Auburn, Oregon, Miami, UCLA, and Va Tech is a pretty impressive line-up.
Frankly
Who knows how good any of these teams -- Louisville, Arkansas, UCLA, Mississippi, even Miami -- will be in three to five years? It's something of a crap shoot. Say you were an HC in 2001 and you scheduled an OOC game with Kansas in 2007. Surprise! I suppose the real balls are in scheduling a perennial like USC or Ohio State, but even the powerhouses have their down years -- Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska. Crap shoot.
UCLA
I think they'll be very good in years to come. Rick Newhighsal is already stealing some of Pete Carroll's recruits and he'll have a conference champ before long.
Speaking of champs, I wonder how golden boy's basketball bracket is turning out
The quesion is
can he get his conference champ before he gets embroiled in scandal again and leave in disgrace, again.
And yet...
that same bunch of "cowards" walked into your stadium and won by 20 last season.
Eh...
The fact that they beat us, really has no bearing on canceling a WAC team off the schedule, for fear of defeat.
Or did I miss something?
Is the plan to create an easy game on their schedule such that they can master plan for the 2009 game against the Longhorns?
Or was that their reward for beating Texas 2 years running?
Or do they have nothing to do with each other?
Shouldnt a team that can walk into DKR and beat us by 20 not be scared enough to pay a quarter of a million to a WAC team to not play them?
Then again, maybe Aggie should have done the same last year...
by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
If that's the question...
then why was this brought up in the first place on a Texas site? I agree, dealing UT a 20-point defeat last year doesn't have much to do with the fact that we removed FrSU from our schedule, but what bearing does a K-State scheduling decision have on UT football?
If it gets brought up here, I'm going to discuss it, and I don't really consider it out-of-bounds to mention that our group of "cowards" has beaten your team two years running.
I will also note that there is quite a bit more to the decision than "fear of defeat." FrSU showed absolutely no class when it came to Manhattan, starting a fight before the game and leaving the visitor's locker room in shambles. There are plenty of people in the K-State athletic department who didn't ever want that program back in Manhattan, regardless of our chances of victory or defeat.
by TB on Apr 3, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus
we were once the "cowards" of the football world a few years ago when we cancelled our game against Hawaii for "concerns about expense."
So I, too, am surprised this would be brought up here.
by BrooklynHorn on Apr 3, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Concerns for why to bring it up
would be a valid arguing point.
You would have been served better bringing up the points that you did in your last paragraph, that I, and Im sure many others were not aware of. Thats a far stronger argument then, we beat you, shut up. Hell Texas originally ditched playing Arkansas for similar reasons that you stated if I remember right.
All sorts of big 12 news is brought up on this site, as is other college sports news not in the big 12. This certainly isnt big news, and it doesnt change my opinion that KState was my favorite away destination in my 4 years of Longhorn Band, with great fans and an excellent environment.
Though I suppose the original opinion was a cheap shot, so that invites other cheap shots. Meh. So be it.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
the reason
My guess is they did this because Kansas and Missouri all of a sudden are top 5-10 programs. Add in whatever tough South opponents and a Nebraska program that should be a bit more consistent, and and its a brutal conference schedule for them. There was no way to know Mizzo and Kansas would be powers when they scheduled that game.
I like the decision. It's hard for a program to break through like Kansas and Mizzou did when you're playing such a tough schedule. Kansas had a weak schedule last year and are now on the radar. They'll benefit recruiting wise because of it.
Smart move, nothing to do with cowardice.
in no position
I don't think we are any position to criticize anyone's weak OOC schedule.
my point
I think it's ridiculous to back out of a game, at this time of year, for this upcoming season. You scheduled it - deal with it. That's why it looks cowardly.
K-State beating Texas has absolutely nothing to do with it so leave that out. It has to do with playing the games you scheduled. Don't like your schedule? Tough shit - you signed the contract. Be a man and deal with it. As Colorado Coach Hawkins would say "this is division I football!!"
Has Texas scheduled wimpy teams? Yes. I understand that. So has the majority of other teams. And that all boils down to the BCS disposing of the strength of schedule component and I HATE that. Put it back in - it makes for better games and better (more qualified) teams making the championship game.
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